The Rights Track
In this special BONUS episode of the podcast, Todd is joined by Rights Track producer Chris Garrington of to discuss their recently published book The book, published by Anthem Press is (September 6, 2022) at a special event hosted by the University of Nottingham's Rights Lab, funders of Series 3-5 of the podcast. Transcript Todd Landman 0:01 Welcome to The Rights Track podcast, which gets the hard facts about the human rights challenges facing us today. I'm Todd Landman. In this special episode of the podcast, I'm delighted to be joined by Rights Track producer, to...
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In Episode 9 of Series 7, Todd is joined again by , Director of at the University of Nottingham, funders of this series. Together they reflect on some of the key themes and ideas to emerge from Series 7 of The Rights Track about human rights in a digital world. Transcript Todd Landman 0:01 Welcome to The Rights Track podcast, which gets the hard facts about the human rights challenges facing us today. In series seven, we've been discussing human rights in a digital world. I'm Todd Landman. And in the last episode of this fantastic series, I'm delighted to be joined for the...
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In Episode 8 of Series 7 of The Rights Track, Todd is in conversation with Wendy Betts, Director of , an International Bar Association project launched in 2015 which collects verifiable video of human rights violations for use in investigations and trials. We're asking Wendy how the use of digital technology can help to hold accountable those who commit human rights crimes. Transcript Todd Landman 0:01 Welcome to The Rights Track podcast, which gets the hard facts about the human rights challenges facing us today. In series seven, we're discussing human rights in a...
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In Episode 7 of Series 7 of The Rights Track, Todd is joined by Tom Nichols, Professor Emeritus of National Security Affairs at the U.S. Naval War College and Contributing Writer at The Atlantic. Tom specialises in international security affairs including U.S. - Russia relations, nuclear strategy, and NATO issues. His recent book – is an account of the spread of illiberal and anti-democratic sentiment throughout our culture. Transcript Todd Landman 00:00 Welcome to The Rights Track podcast, which gets the hard facts about the human rights challenges facing us today. In...
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Todd was invited to talk about Communicating Human Rights by Pembroke College Oxford and used the opportunity to discuss the motivation behind The Rights Track Podcast and what has been achieved by the podcast over 7 series to date. He joins Professor Alison Brysk to discuss how o new forms of global communication foster rights campaigns and human rights education. Watch the talks and discussions here
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In Episode 6 of Series 7 of The Rights Track, we're joined by Susie Alegre, an international human rights lawyer and associate at Doughty Street Chambers specialising in digital rights. Susie's work focuses in particular on the impact of technology and AI on the rights to freedom of thought and opinion. Her recently published book - Freedom to Think: The Long Struggle to Liberate Our Minds – explores how the powerful have always sought to influence how we think and what we buy. And today we are asking her how do we liberate our minds in a modern digital world? Transcript Todd...
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In Episode 5 of Series 7 of The Rights Track, Todd is in conversation with , Director of Partnerships at – a team of technologists committed to getting decision makers the data they need to drive better criminal justice outcomes. Transcript Todd Landman 0:00 Welcome to the Rights Track podcast, which gets the hard facts about the human rights challenges facing us today. In series seven, we're discussing human rights in a digital world. I'm Todd Landman, in this episode, I'm delighted to be joined by Amrit Dhir. Amrit is the Director of Partnerships at...
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In Episode 4 of Series 7 of The Rights Track, Todd is in conversation with Sam Gilbert, an entrepreneur and affiliated researcher at the Bennett Institute for Public Policy at the University of Cambridge. Sam works on the intersection of politics and technology. His recent book – – explores the different ways data helps us, suggesting that “the data revolution could be the best thing that ever happened to us”. Transcript Todd Landman 0:01 Welcome to The Rights Track podcast which gets the hard facts about the human rights challenges facing us today. In Series...
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In Episode 3 of Series 7 of The Rights Track, , Bennett Professor of Public Policy at the University of Cambridge and co-director of the joins Todd to discuss the dizzying digital changes over the last 25 years, how it has disrupted the economy and impacted on our lives. Transcript Todd Landman 0:01 Welcome to The Rights Track podcast which gets the hard facts about the human rights challenges facing us today. In Series 7, we're discussing human rights in a digital world. I'm Todd Landman, in our third episode of the series, I'm delighted to be joined by Professor Diane...
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In Episode 2 of Series 7 of The Rights Track, Martin Scheinen, British Academy Global Professor at the University of Oxford and a member of the Scientific Committee of the EU Fundamental Rights Agency joins Todd to discuss whether the grammar of human rights law can cope with multiple challenges of the digital realm.
info_outlineIn Episode 8 of Series 5 Todd is joined by Siddharth Kara and Hannah Lerigo-Stephens. Siddharth is an author, researcher, screenwriter and activist on modern slavery who has spent many years investigating the issue of forced labour in cobalt mining areas in the Congo. He recently supported 14 families in the Congo to launch a landmark legal case against Apple, Microsoft, Del, Google and Tesla for what they consider to be their complicity in the injuries and deaths of their children. Hannah has worked with leading food retailers like the Co-op and Morrissons to improve labour standards in their global supply chains and now leads the Rights Lab’s Monitoring and Evaluation Unit at the University of Nottingham, where she translates research evidence into resources for businesses and organisations looking to work ethically and sustainably.
0.00– 04.35
Todd begins by asking Siddharth to give an overview of his work. Siddharth has worked in over 50 countries collecting evidence and documenting the lives of workers atthe bottom of the supply chain and the conditions under which they work. He explains that:
- Severe exploitation including child labour, forced labour, and modern slavery can be found in all sectors and in all countries
- His current focus is cobalt mining in the Democratic Republic of Congo
- 70% of the world’s cobalt is mined in the Congo.
- Cobalt is an essential component in the manufacture of rechargeable batteries
- The manufacture of items using rechargeable batteries (e.g. phones, computers, cars) generates very high incomes for companies like Apple and TESLA. Very little of that income trickles down to the bottom of the supply chain
04.35 – 07.30
Siddharth references a small area in South East DR Congo where cobalt mining takes place. He says that:
- 40% of cobalt is mined by hand (artisanal mining) under extreme conditions without protective clothing (PPE), with exposure to toxic uranium ore and with the constant threat of tunnel collapse
- Cobalt ore finds its way via informal channels into the formal supply chain
07.30 – 09.55
Todd asks Siddharth to describe how remote sensing technology developed by the Rights Lab (Slavery from Space) has been used.
- Known locations of artisanal mining in DR. Congo have been geo-tagged by Siddharth. This data is used to review satellite images and via an algorithm, identify other mining sites to produce a map of artisanal mining.
- This also shows environmental damage caused by large scale mechanised mining.
09.55 – 14.48
Hannah’s contribution starts with a rejection of the argument that labour exploitation is the result of the complexity of modern supply chains. She says:
- The main issue is the imbalance of power between major companies like Apple and Tesla at the top of the chain generating massive income and exploited workers at the bottom of the chain
- Buyers at the top of the chain force prices down
- The situation is exacerbated by a lack of state regulation
14.48 – 18.35
Todd moves on to ask about how a redistribution of income could be achieved. In Siddharth’s view contemporary capitalism works in an unequal way. He believes that:
- Value is concentrated at the top of the supply chain, where profit margins are wide. Yet artisanal workers make $1/2 per day
- There is neither the will nor compulsion to re-distribute income
- “even a rounding error on the balance sheet would be transformative” to the lives of the workers
- Companies at the top hide behind the “opacity” in the supply chain and feel no responsibility towards the workers at the bottom
- Blame for exploitation trickles down the supply chain
Siddharth concludes by arguing that the major transnational companies must take responsibility for their supply chains.
18.35 – 21.18
Todd brings in Hannah to review the impact of current legislation on modern slavery.
She refers to the UK Modern Slavery Act and its requirements. She argues that the focus is on reporting, but there are loopholes in the wording and language is not strong enough. There is a need for target setting and evaluation within companies.
21.18 - 25.00
Siddharth refers to an article for the Guardian newspaper as a result of his experiences in DR Congo and describes in detail strategic litigation against Apple, Google, Microsoft, Dell, and Tesla to force them to take accountability for conditions in their supply chais. The aims of this he says are:
- For the voices of the exploited to be heard
- Obligations to be placed on these companies around exploitation, free supply chains, and environmental impact
25.00 – end
Hannah emphasises the importance of holding major companies to account, and for greater reflection and evaluation of practices. She sets out the business case for having better knowledge of supply chains, and says lack of knowledge is a weakness.
Siddharth concludes by arguing that the status quo whereby the global north continues to enrich itself by using its political and economic power to exploit the global south needs to change.
Further reading
Diffusion of labour standards through supplier–subcontractor network Stefan Gold, Thomas Chesney, Tim Gruchmann , Alexander Trautrims