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The Michael Shermer Show

Release Date: 04/21/2026

Why Good People Disagree About Right and Wrong show art Why Good People Disagree About Right and Wrong

The Michael Shermer Show

Why do reasonable people disagree so strongly about right and wrong? And why are we so quick to assume that people on the other side of a moral or political issue are irrational, selfish, ignorant, or simply bad? Michael Shermer speaks with Cornell psychologist Audun Dahl, author of Between Fixed and Fickle: Why Our Moral Views Keep Changing, about how human morality develops and why many familiar explanations fall short. They discuss whether babies are born with a moral sense, what children and other primates can really tell us about the origins of morality, how parents shape their...

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Are We Building a God? AI, Superintelligence, and the Coming Singularity show art Are We Building a God? AI, Superintelligence, and the Coming Singularity

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Robert Wright joins Michael Shermer to discuss his new book, The God Test: Artificial Intelligence and Our Coming Cosmic Reckoning, and why he thinks the AI revolution may be moving much faster than most people realize. Wright argues that deep learning is not just a new way of programming computers. In an important sense, it resembles evolution: neural networks discover solutions for themselves, sometimes recreating cognitive functions that natural selection built into human brains. That helps explain why AI capabilities have advanced so quickly, and why increasingly autonomous systems and...

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Can You Trust Wikipedia? Co-Founder Larry Sanger on Wikipedia’s Bias and Why He Was Banned show art Can You Trust Wikipedia? Co-Founder Larry Sanger on Wikipedia’s Bias and Why He Was Banned

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Michael Shermer speaks with Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger shortly after Sanger was permanently banned from editing the site he helped create. Sanger tells the story of Wikipedia’s founding, how its ideal of open collaboration hardened into a system dominated by a relatively small group of powerful editors, and why he believes its rules on sourcing and “consensus” now produce political and religious bias. In the second half of the conversation, Shermer and Sanger shift gears completely and discuss whether religious faith can be rational, the philosophical case for God, the...

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How to Think Clearly About a World in Crisis: Iran, China, Russia, and the West’s Economic Pessimism show art How to Think Clearly About a World in Crisis: Iran, China, Russia, and the West’s Economic Pessimism

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Michael Shermer speaks with political scientist Marlene Laruelle about Russia’s turbulent transformation during the 1990s and the rise of Vladimir Putin, why the Kremlin so badly misjudged Ukraine, China’s rise and its ambitions regarding Taiwan, why killing Iran’s Supreme Leader and much of its senior leadership did not bring down the regime, the limits of foreign aid and sanctions, mass surveillance, economic nationalism, and whether Western democracy can survive an age of economic pessimism and technological control. Marlene Laruelle is a professor in the Department of Political...

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The Truth About Sex Differences (Steve Stewart-Williams) show art The Truth About Sex Differences (Steve Stewart-Williams)

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How do men and women differ? Where do the differences come from? And how do they shape modern life? Drawing on a century of research and a billion years of evolution, Steve Stewart-Williams explains why many sex differences appear despite socialization, not because of it; why in our mating and parenting patterns, humans are more like the average bird than the average mammal; and why sex differences are sometimes a sign of societal health rather than injustice. Steve Stewart-Williams is a professor of psychology at the University of Nottingham Malaysia. His first book, Darwin, God, and the...

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America at 250: What Did the Founders Get Right? show art America at 250: What Did the Founders Get Right?

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Michael Shermer makes the case that the U.S. Founding Fathers were not only steeped in Enlightenment values on which the Declaration of Independence was based, but they were also scientists searching to discover moral truths and values on which to base a rational society, which they succeeded in doing in this document along with the Constitution.

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When History Goes on Trial: Demjanjuk, Eichmann, and Justice After Atrocity show art When History Goes on Trial: Demjanjuk, Eichmann, and Justice After Atrocity

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John Demjanjuk lived for decades as a retired autoworker in suburban Cleveland. Then investigators accused him of being “Ivan the Terrible,” one of the most notorious guards at Treblinka. What followed was one of the strangest and most troubling Nazi war-crimes cases of the postwar era: extradition, eyewitness testimony, a death sentence, a reversal, and a final prosecution many years later. In this episode, Michael Shermer talks with Lawrence Douglas, professor at Amherst College and author of The Criminal State: War Atrocity and the Dream of International Justice, about Demjanjuk,...

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Why I Joined the Government UAP Science Advisory Council show art Why I Joined the Government UAP Science Advisory Council

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Michael Shermer has been appointed to the newly formed UAP Science Advisory Council, formed at the request of the White House and in coordination with the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), the FBI, and other agencies. The council brings together experts from a wide range of disciplines—including astrophysics, oceanography, molecular biology, anthropology, psychology, artificial intelligence, and instrumentation—to provide scientific guidance on the study of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP).

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Massimo Pigliucci on Doubt, Moral Courage, and Living Without Illusions show art Massimo Pigliucci on Doubt, Moral Courage, and Living Without Illusions

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What does it mean to live well when certainty is unavailable? Michael Shermer speaks with Massimo Pigliucci about moral character, ancient philosophy, and the difficult art of making decisions without easy answers. The conversation moves from Cicero and Stoicism to the legacy of the New Atheism, asking why rejecting religion is not the same as having a philosophy of life. They discuss virtue ethics, moral dilemmas, effective altruism, faith, free will, democracy, human flourishing, and the uneasy relationship between facts and values. From the trolley problem and Peter Singer’s drowning...

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Cathy Young: Why Free Societies Need Free Speech show art Cathy Young: Why Free Societies Need Free Speech

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Cathy Young returns to the show for a wide-ranging conversation about free speech, institutional trust, and the strange incentives shaping public debate today. What happens when universities, media outlets, political movements, and online personalities trade careful thinking for moral certainty, tribal loyalty, or attention? Michael and Cathy discuss the pressure to excuse bad ideas when they come from “your side,” the rise of activist thinking in education and journalism, and the growing appeal of contrarian figures who seem to thrive on distrust. They also get into the war in Ukraine,...

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Michael Shermer sits down with author Jack El-Hai to talk about the true story behind Nuremberg. At the center is Dr. Douglas Kelley, the American psychiatrist assigned to evaluate the top Nazi defendants after World War II, including Hermann Göring. What he found was not comforting: many of these men were intelligent, ambitious, psychologically functional, and disturbingly normal.

This conversation gets into the strange duel between Kelley and Göring, the psychological testing at Nuremberg, the limits of psychiatry, the difference between leaders and followers, and the question that still won’t go away: how do power-hungry people rise and do evil, and why do so many others go along with them?

Jack El-Hai is an author and journalist whose work has appeared in The Atlantic, Smithsonian, GQ, Wired, Scientific American, and Discover. His books, including The Lobotomist, The Lost Brothers, and Face in the Mirror, have been translated into twenty languages. He lectures widely on writing and medical history. His book The Nazi and the Psychiatrist was recently adapted into the feature film Nuremberg, starring Russell Crowe and Rami Malek.