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Episode 36 - Building Businesses: Roadmaps, risks and rates of change with Andy Shafer

Tech Transfer Talk

Release Date: 06/27/2024

Episode 63 – Notes on Innovation in Music with Peter Tregear show art Episode 63 – Notes on Innovation in Music with Peter Tregear

Tech Transfer Talk

This month it was a great pleasure to reconnect with , both school and college colleague, to explore the world of innovation and in turn technology transfer in music. This was a thoroughly engaging discussion for me, with my less than amateur music knowledge and skills being rekindled, and perhaps reimagined, as Peter took us from Sumer to synthesised music. It also took me back to some of our more profound discussions on and concepts of tech transfer with and respectively. Peter describes his journey into music as getting sucked into a whirlpool, having focused on science with some...

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Episode 62 - Building the Tech Transfer Club with Lisa Birrell and Greg Harper show art Episode 62 - Building the Tech Transfer Club with Lisa Birrell and Greg Harper

Tech Transfer Talk

I had the opportunity to unpack the NorVic Foods ecosystem with Lisa Birrell (who was CEO) and Greg Harper (who drove the genesis of the initiative). With the ongoing conversations in Australia around innovation ecosystems (which we have had with John Howard), the need for better industry engagement (which we have had most recently with Jane Fitzpatrick) and the challenges of building regional ag innovation systems (discussed sometime back with Elena Kelavra), this presented as a coming together of these threads. We set the scene as to the idea behind NorVic Foods (which is an abbreviation of...

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Episode 61 - Tech Transfer, Innovation, and the Future of Chemicals with Victoria Meyer and The Chemical Show show art Episode 61 - Tech Transfer, Innovation, and the Future of Chemicals with Victoria Meyer and The Chemical Show

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In our first joint podcast, I joined Victoria Meyer and The Chemical Show to explore technology transfer and innovation in the chemical industry. The chemical industry is where I got my start, with Dow Chemical and subsequently Akzo Nobel (now Nouryon), and I have maintained my deep interest in and passion for the sector over the years. The opportunity to continue this through the biobased economy, industrial and agricultural biotech, made for a really contrasting foundation to Victoria’s journey in petrochemicals at Shell, Amoco, Lyondell Basell and Clariant. I got asked a really...

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Episode 60 - An Analyst’s Perspective on Innovation Demand with Dennis Voznesenski show art Episode 60 - An Analyst’s Perspective on Innovation Demand with Dennis Voznesenski

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I had the chance to catch up with , who hosts a regular . Dennis is an Agricultural Economist and author of and is a frequent commentator on Australian agricultural markets and dynamics. With a general sense in Australia that we struggle for demand side innovation, I felt a conversation with Dennis who is focussed on industry would make for an interesting set of perspectives. Dennis shared insights on the current challenges facing Australian farmers, particularly regarding rising costs of fuel and fertiliser due to global events. It was interesting that he framed the innovation opportunity...

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Episode 59 - The C is for more than Commercialisation with Jane Fitzpatrick show art Episode 59 - The C is for more than Commercialisation with Jane Fitzpatrick

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I had the chance to follow up with on her powerful closing remarks at a panel session at the last year. Jane is CEO of the , and her organisation sits at the intersection of science, innovation, translation and market pull. Given the challenges we’ve been highlighting on the podcast around the industry pull, and the recent Strategic Examination of R&D (SERD) report, , it seemed a great time to build on her comments last year. We opened a little unusually, in that we started where we left off from (2025 National Innovation Policy Forum Review: Coordination and Translation) with ,...

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Episode 58 - Bringing Products to Market with Jarett Abramson show art Episode 58 - Bringing Products to Market with Jarett Abramson

Tech Transfer Talk

I had the great pleasure of catching up with , who was 'between gigs' since his departure from and his imminent (and arguably eminent) commencement at in Europe. The journey started for Jarett with writing patents on cranberry juice extract and we explored how that path to market unfolded. In his private practice, he found himself working across a number of industry sectors, but fate kept bringing him back to the ag industry. When moving from the private firm to private sector (being initially Dow Pharma then , the latter now part of ), he reflected on the change in culture. Even at...

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Episode 57 - Science Meets Parliament 2026 - Science Meets the Economy: Opportunity and Risk with Jasmine Chambers and Steve Rodda show art Episode 57 - Science Meets Parliament 2026 - Science Meets the Economy: Opportunity and Risk with Jasmine Chambers and Steve Rodda

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In our annual podcast leading into Science Meets Parliament, we had the opportunity to discuss innovation, tech transfer and research translation with , President and , Pro-Vice Chancellor (Industry & Innovation) at . With STA building on their bench to boardroom initiatives with their new 'Science Meets the Economy' Program, Jas and Stephen shared their experiences and reflections with the Australian innovation system, and their respective journeys through research and translation. It was interesting to have Jas note that her early forays into translation were catalysed by frustration!...

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Episode 56 - Khaki is the New Green and Resilience is the New Carbon with Jim Lane show art Episode 56 - Khaki is the New Green and Resilience is the New Carbon with Jim Lane

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In our first recorded abroad episode for 2026, I had the opportunity earlier this month to catch up in person with  in Digestville, located in Key Biscayne, Florida. I hope that many of you recall that we catch up with Jim intermittently and since our last chat with him in November 2024, much has changed in the world of the biobased economy, and yet many themes remain the same!  We firstly reflected on some major trends that are emerging, echoed in the title of this podcast. Jim observed how important the biobased economy is becoming in the corporate and national conversations...

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Episode 55 - 2025 National Innovation Policy Forum Review: Coordination and Translation with Jane O'Dwyer show art Episode 55 - 2025 National Innovation Policy Forum Review: Coordination and Translation with Jane O'Dwyer

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Following the (NIPF) in November 2025, I had the opportunity to reflect on the event with  from (CRA) in mid-December. We started with the raison d’être of the NIPF to increase the linkages between industry, the innovation system and policymakers. To this end, as patrons of NIPF, and Catherine Livingstone have been catalysing the thinking over the past few years as the conversations and ambitions of NIPF evolved. The NIPF to date has moved from describing the problems to seeking how government and industry shape innovation policy and looking to ways to improve technology...

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Episode 54 - Innovation As Central to Sustainability, Not Just Productivity with Greg Harper show art Episode 54 - Innovation As Central to Sustainability, Not Just Productivity with Greg Harper

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In this episode, I had the opportunity to chat with , a longstanding colleague and friend, who has been on the tech transfer and commercialisation journey for many years. In this conversation Greg shares some of his experience and perspectives following his time at , as a board member at , senior leadership roles within the and, most recently, at . Greg shared some of his early journey into technology transfer from his post doc at the , and CSIRO, where he became involved in market orientated science, and the development and delivery of products to market, in a broad collaboration led...

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In this episode, I had the opportunity to catch up with Andy Shafer, who’s been a leader in building businesses in the 21st century biobased economy. A Dow Chemical alumnus, he started his 'bio-journey' with NatureWorks, a Joint Venture between Dow Chemical and Cargill, where he had a leadership role in bringing PLA to market. He then moved to Elevance Renewable Sciences for 9 years, establishing their market facing partnerships including sales and marketing, corporate brand and communications. He then spent 7 years in private consulting, including the authoring of a book on strategy and ROADMAP development, before joining Gevo in late 2023 as their Chief Marketing, Customer and Brand Officer.

In our discussions, Andy reflects on his journey into the biobased economy and early involvement in the market development of PLA. It was striking that a reframing of the questions and potential benefits lead to a dramatic shift in strategy, leading to a focus of performance in use and less on the fact that it was a 'bio' product. His shares some observations on bringing a new joint venture together, with a team of different industrial backgrounds (and allegiances), and the process of bringing that team together around the JV’s mission. He also reflects on the resources and reputation that comes with a new JV entity in contrast to its (larger) parents.

One of the challenges we discuss is developing 'proof of concept' to customers with constrained resources and the need to look toward creative collaborations. Andy sees segmentation as critical to tech transfer as this involves identifying who is going to help you be successful. He also notes that this isn’t necessarily the obvious, discussing fast followers rather than incumbents as they may not have the reputational risk associated with trying new approaches. We touch on the role of laggards or, as per Episode 7 with Paul Bryan, the role of the desperate customer.

Andy also reflects on the rate of change and introduces the notion of 'stopwatches vs calendars'. We touched on the importance of timing in Episodes 10 and 13 and how these impact tech transfer outcomes. Here, Andy notes that clients can move at different rates to new ventures. He also notes that capital intensity and downstream supply chain partners, all need time to adjust and adopt new approaches. We touch on how ownership and the introduction of new investors through fundraising rounds can also be subject to asynchronous timing outcomes. The need for synchronicity between investors throughout the life of a venture is critical to sustainable success. Andy discusses how investor misalignment can drive different operational behaviours and outcomes.

We close by discussing his new role at Gevo, and team members Pat Gruber, Chris Ryan and Bill Baum, acting as a gravitational force to bring Andy back into corporate life from his consulting activities. Andy sees Gevo as an opportunity to “help transform another industry on a mission that matters”. In taking on the challenge of bringing Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) to market, we again reflect on rates of change and risk.