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Ep. 113 - Jet Fuel & Church Planting: Ricky Brown’s 5 Leadership Hazards to Avoid

The Church Planting Podcast with Greg Nettle

Release Date: 04/30/2025

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Welcome jet pilot, pastor, and author Ricky Brown to unpack the five “hazardous attitudes” every church leader must watch out for—straight from FAA training and powerfully applied to ministry. Ricky draws on his dual experience as a commercial pilot and church planter to share practical, soul-tending wisdom for avoiding burnout and moral failure.

Ricky’s new book, The 5 Hazardous Attitudes: Ways to Win the War Within, breaks these down through powerful fables and life lessons. Greg and Ricky dive deep into the signs of anti-authority, invulnerability, macho attitudes, impulsivity, and resignation, and how each can destroy ministry, marriages, and leadership if not confronted.

Explore more of Ricky’s work, speaking, and resources at rickybrown.org.

Instagram: @allthingsrickyb
 
Connect with Greg Nettle and Stadia Church Planting at https://stadia.org
 
01:00 - Meet Ricky Brown: Pastor, pilot, and author
02:15 - Planting a 70% unchurched church during the pandemic
04:00 - Tending to your soul as a leader
05:35 - The story behind “The 5 Hazardous Attitudes”
06:15 - Overview of the 5 attitudes: anti-authority, invulnerability, macho, impulsivity, resignation
08:00 - Anti-authority and unresolved trauma
10:00 - Invulnerability: "It won’t happen to me"
12:45 - Macho: Proving your worth as a leader
15:00 - Impulsivity: Acting too fast under pressure
18:50 - Guardrails for impulsivity: See your team as safety rails, not speed bumps
20:00 - Aviation stories that mirror leadership failures
23:00 - Resignation: Why leaders give up too soon
25:00 - Leading through darkness and not quitting before breakthrough
26:30 - Where to find Ricky’s book and workbook: [rickybrown.org](https://www.rickybrown.org/)
27:00 - Final words on biblical leadership and self-awareness