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The Tables Turned: David Interviews Mark

The Heart of Yoga

Release Date: 07/30/2025

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The Heart of Yoga

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In this episode, David turns the tables and interviews Mark. We dive into the roots of Mark’s life, growing up in New Zealand’s church and school systems, confronting injustice early on, and stumbling into my body through sport and the natural world. 

David grills Mark on the long journey that led him to the heart of Yoga with his teachers Krishnamacharya and Desikachar.

This is a very personal conversation, going into the sincere “teachers” (aka friends)who helped Mark see through the spiritual industrial complex, and the simple, traditional yoga practices that smoothed out all the drama of spiritual India in the 1970s.

In other words, Yoga as intimacy with reality.

Key Takeaways

Early Awakening – A childhood moment on the lawn, sun on the back, revealing the body’s deep continuity with the cosmos.

Seeing Through Systems – From church to school to spirituality - recognising how society exploits us with the promise of a future salvation or success.

Real Yoga Is Empowering – the good stuff adapts to the individual, honors the breath, and returns us to our natural state of wholeness.

Teachers Who Transmit – Meeting Krishnamacharya and Desikachar brought a transmission of humility, scholarship, and direct experience, not guruism.

Yoga Is Relationship – the power of real and actual friendship that is equal and mutually felt and expressed

The Body Is God – Yoga reveals that the body is not separate from divinity, it is divinity. Not a metaphor!!

Where to Find Our Guest

David’s Website: http://lenirvanawear.com

David on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/david22bali

Links & Resources

You are the beauty. You are the intelligence. You are already in perfect harmony with life. You don’t need to seek it. You need only participate in it.

Learn more and access courses at https://www.heartofyoga.com 

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