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Episode 2: Interview with James Forman Jr.

The Inside-Out Podcast

Release Date: 06/05/2017

Ep 12: Interview with Chris Lamoureux show art Ep 12: Interview with Chris Lamoureux

The Inside-Out Podcast

The 12th episode of the Inside-Out Podcast features Christopher Lee Lamoureux, who served 14 months in prison in British Columbia, Canada. Chris shares about his time before, during and after incarceration, and how his family, friends and culture served as a support network. While incarcerated, Chris had the opportunity to take part in the Vancouver Island University Inside-Out Program. Chris reflects on what this program meant for him, and how it impacted his life upon reentry. "To any folks who may listen to this, look for opportunities to support incarcerated folks. By helping to deliver a...

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Ep 11: Student Voices from the UK (Univeristy of Greenwhich) show art Ep 11: Student Voices from the UK (Univeristy of Greenwhich)

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This episode of the Inside-Out Podcast features and , who both teach at the School of Law and Criminology at the University of Greenwich in the United Kingdom. They both completed the Inside-Out Instructor Training Institute in 2017. Inside-Out courses have been held in the UK since 2014. For the past few years, they have been co-teaching Inside-Out courses at a women’s prison called HMP Downview.  The Inside-Out podcast is hosted by Dave Krueger from The Inside-Out Center, the international headquarters of The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program at Temple University’s College of...

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Ep 10: Teaching in the DC Jail (Tiffany Simmons) show art Ep 10: Teaching in the DC Jail (Tiffany Simmons)

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This episode of the Inside-Out Podcast features Professor Tiffany Simmons, who serves as a Lecturer and Adjunct Professor at both Howard University and American University.  Her areas of study include criminology, criminal justice and law. Ms. Simmons also serves as the Inside-Out Program Coordinator for American University. Currently, she is the Special Assistant/Chief of Staff to the Deputy Director of College and Career Readiness, Professional Development, and Special Projects for the District of Columbia Department of Corrections. In this role, Professor Simmons has administrative...

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Ep 09: Becoming an Agent of Change (Xavier Perez) show art Ep 09: Becoming an Agent of Change (Xavier Perez)

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The ninth episode of the Inside-Out Podcast features Dr. Xavier Perez, who teaches criminology at Depaul University in Chicago. Perez was born in Quito, Ecuador but came to the U.S. as a child. Despite early encounters with the juvenile justice system, he was able to to attend college with the help of mentors and community organizations. Professor Perez completed the Inside-Out Instructor Training Institute in 2019. His Inside-Out courses bring together students from Depaul and Chicago’s Cook County Jail.

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Ep 08: Connecting to the World Outside of Prison (Joseph Schwartz) show art Ep 08: Connecting to the World Outside of Prison (Joseph Schwartz)

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Joseph Schwartz served 14 years in a federal prison before his sentence was commuted when he was 65 years old. Joe discusses how his Inside-Out experience at FCI-Loretto was a critical part of his journey to reentry.

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Ep 07: Interview with Jeri Kirby (West Virginia) show art Ep 07: Interview with Jeri Kirby (West Virginia)

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Jeri Kirby, a professor at Fairmont State University in West Virginia, teaches courses combining campus-based students and incarcerated students. She previously served two years in prison.

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Ep 06: Inside-Out in Australian Prisons (Marietta Martinovic) show art Ep 06: Inside-Out in Australian Prisons (Marietta Martinovic)

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Dr. Marietta Martinovic teaches criminal justice at the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology in Melbourne, Australia. She talks about her experience of teaching Inside-Out in Australian prisons.

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Ep 05: Interview with Harold Dean Trulear show art Ep 05: Interview with Harold Dean Trulear

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Harold Dean Trulear is an associate professor of applied theology at Howard University School of Divinity. Each week, he brings his students to the Washington DC Jail to study alongside incarcerated individuals.

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Ep 4: Interview with Nick Cannon & Meditation by Kempis Ep 4: Interview with Nick Cannon & Meditation by Kempis "Ghani" Songster

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Nick Cannon discusses higher education in prisons and shares his experiences of the Inside-Out Instructor Training Institute. Kempis "Ghani" Songster shares a meditation on the Canadian geese that reside inside the walls of Graterford Prison.

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Episode 3: Interview with Formerly-Incarcerated Juvenile Lifers show art Episode 3: Interview with Formerly-Incarcerated Juvenile Lifers

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In 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court held in  that it is unconstitutional to sentence a juvenile offender to mandatory life-without-parole. A 2016 ruling allowed this to be applied retroactively. In practical terms, this means that those juvenile offenders previously sentenced to mandatory life-with-out-parole can seek re-sentencing by the trial court. That is exactly what happened to John Pace, Stacey Torrance, and Charles Brown. They were featured in a from September 6, 2017, about formerly-incarcerated "juvenile lifers." In this, the third episode of the...

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This episode of the Inside-Out Podcast features James Forman, Jr., a professor of Law at Yale Law School. Dr. Forman talks about his journey from public defender to law school professor and how the Inside-Out pedagogy informs his teaching. He'll also talk about his new book Locking Up Our Own: Crime and Punishment in Black America.   

Episode Guide:

1:30: Could you start out by sharing your journey from serving as a public defender to teaching in a law school?

5:37: How did you hear about and how did you get interested in teaching through the Inside-Out program?

7:37: What was it like teaching a class in the Inside-Out model for the first time. Do you think teaching an Inside-Out course changed how you taught your other classes? 

12:54: Let's shift gears for a minute. You have a new book out, Locking Up Our Own: Crime and Punishment in Black America. Could you talk a little bit about what brought you to write this book? 

18:07: What do you think is behind this decades-long shift in our society towards mass incarceration? Why has locking up so many Americans become such an accepted part of American policy?

21:55: In recent years the public discourse about mass incarceration has been changing. Where do you think we stand today, especially in light of the 2016 election? 

25:47: What do you want your readers to take away from your book? 

28:37: How does education speak to mass incarceration and, specifically, why do you see value in the Inside-Out approach to education?

The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program:
The Inside-Out Podcast is hosted by David M. Krueger and is a production of The Inside-Out Center at Temple University in Philadelphia. The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program is an educational program that facilitates dialogue across difference. It started in 1997 and originated as a means to bring together campus-based college students and incarcerated students for a semester-long course held in a correctional setting. This educational model has been replicated across the United States and in multiple countries. It has grown into an international network of more than 700 trained faculty, 22,000 alumni, and hundreds of higher education and correctional administrators, who have sponsored these classes over the years. Inside-Out seeks to bring about "Social Change Through Transformative Education." To find out more about the program and learn about the upcoming instructor training institutes, visit: http://www.insideoutcenter.org/index.html 
 
Bio:
James Forman, Jr. is a professor of law at Yale Law School. He has written for The New York Times, The Atlantic, numerous law reviews, and other publications. A former clerk for Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, he spent six years as a public defender in Washington, D.C., where he co-founded the Maya Angelou Public Charter School. He is also a trained instructor in the Inside-Out pedagogy. Professor Forman, welcome to the Inside-Out Podcast.