Vicki Odette | How Leading Rainmakers Play the Long Game in Business Development
Release Date: 10/14/2025
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info_outlineVicki Odette is a Partner at Haynes Boone, an Am Law 100 firm with more than 700 lawyers across 19 offices worldwide. Based in Dallas, she serves on the firm’s Executive Committee and is Global Chair of the Investment Management Practice Group.
Her practice focuses on advising fund sponsors and investors on structuring and negotiating private equity, hedge fund, and venture capital investments, as well as complex partnership and joint venture arrangements. Vicki also counsels ultra high net worth individuals and families with assets exceeding $1 billion on business planning for family offices and their investments.
In 2024, the Minority Corporate Counsel Association honored Vicki with its Rainmakers Award, recognizing her as one of the profession’s leading business developers and client relationship leaders.
WHAT’S COVERED IN THIS EPISODE ABOUT BECOMING A RAINMAKER
For some lawyers, business development feels like a mystery, something reserved for extroverts or senior partners with decades of connections. Vicki Odette proves that’s a myth.
From her earliest years in practice, she treated business development as part of the job, not an afterthought. By asking questions, watching what successful partners did, and trying her own experiments, she built a network rooted in trust instead of transactions.
In this episode of The Lawyer’s Edge, Elise Holtzman and Vicki Odette talk about what it really takes to become a rainmaker. They highlight the patience, persistence, and consistency that separate future rainmakers from frustrated associates. They also share how finding strategies that fit your personality can lead to something even more valuable than clients, genuine control over your career.
2:35 – Starting business development early and laying the groundwork for future clients
4:31 – Learning by observing successful partners and adapting their strategies
5:49 – Overcoming intimidation and finding networking tactics that feel authentic
7:59 – Why introverts can excel at business development
11:03 – The personal and professional rewards of long-term client relationships
13:19 – How business development creates autonomy, leadership, and compensation growth
15:07 – Making clients feel like a top priority through proactive communication
17:35 – Anticipating client needs and cross-selling across practice areas
19:34 – Why small roundtables and intimate events outperform large networking mixers
22:58 – Handling rejection, asking for feedback, and using lost pitches as data
25:00 – Navigating bias and maintaining confidence in male dominated rooms
26:53 – Gender differences in rainmaking styles and how women can own their strengths
29:17 – Practical advice for young lawyers beginning their business development journey
32:37 – The overlooked key to client loyalty is caring about their business beyond the matter
MENTIONED IN HOW LEADING RAINMAKERS PLAY THE LONG GAME IN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT
Minority Corporate Counsel Association (MCCA)
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