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CJ's Reel Southern Podcast #1 | Chad Johnson and Alex Lafkas - Streamers from Michigan to Arkansas

Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

Release Date: 03/26/2025

870 | Fly Fishing the Eleven Point River with Justin Spencer show art 870 | Fly Fishing the Eleven Point River with Justin Spencer

Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

870 Show Notes: Presented by:  ,  , , Somewhere deep in the Ozarks, Missouri splits in two. One side is farmland and highways. The other is the Eleven Point River, where everything goes quiet. No houses. No roads. Just cold, spring-fed water sliding through Mark Twain National Forest and miles of wild trout water where you can float for hours without seeing anyone. In this episode, we dig into fly fishing the Eleven Point River and the surrounding Ozark streams with Justin Spencer. We talk about his indicator jig system, why movement matters more than anything, when the fishing is...

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869 | Beyond the Giveaway: Missouri River Dry Fly Fishing with Eric Johnson show art 869 | Beyond the Giveaway: Missouri River Dry Fly Fishing with Eric Johnson

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Show Notes: Https://wetfyswing.com/869 Sponsors:https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors Blooming olives were popping. Trout were rising everywhere. And Eric Johnson was sitting in a drift boat on the Missouri River, staring at one of those dry fly days you don’t forget. What makes this episode different is that Eric isn’t a guide, brand rep, or longtime lodge regular. He’s the actual winner of our On DeMark Dry Fly Giveaway, and this conversation is a full behind-the-scenes look at what happens when someone really does win one of these trips. From the prize pack to the lodge vibe to the reach...

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868 | Davie McPhail - Fly Tying Lessons from a True Master show art 868 | Davie McPhail - Fly Tying Lessons from a True Master

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#868 Show Notes:        Sponsors:      Fly tying doesn’t start at the vise. It starts standing midstream, watching bugs drift past your boots and paying attention to what trout actually eat. That idea runs through everything in this conversation. In this episode, I sit down with Davie McPhail, one of the most influential fly tyers of our time. Davie grew up fishing Scottish rivers and lochs, learning fly tying the hard way. By watching insects, experimenting with materials, and tying flies that had to work. We dig into traditional spiders, modern...

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Emergers, Wet Flies, and Trout Behavior with Scott Sanchez (Traveled #39) show art Emergers, Wet Flies, and Trout Behavior with Scott Sanchez (Traveled #39)

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#867 Show Notes:  Presented By:   This Traveled episode connects with conversations sparked by the East Idaho Fly Tying Expo, where anglers gather to share patterns, techniques, and ideas that shape how we fish. Scott Sanchez joins us to break down one of the most important — and often misunderstood — feeding windows in fly fishing: the emerger stage. We dig into how trout feed in the surface film, how to read rise forms correctly, and why classic wet flies and soft hackles remain so effective when fish aren’t fully committing to dries. It’s a thoughtful, observation-driven...

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866 | Swinging for Alaska Chinook and Great Lakes Browns with Bailey Adamavich show art 866 | Swinging for Alaska Chinook and Great Lakes Browns with Bailey Adamavich

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863 Show Notes: Presented by:    Today’s story bridges two very different worlds: the tight banks and icy tributaries of the Great Lakes, and the raw, tidal power of Western Alaska. Bailey Adamavich learned to fish where forty-foot casts matter and low water forces precision, then carried that foundation straight into blown-out rivers, chrome-bright kings, and some of the most intense Chinook grabs you can imagine. Bailey was our guide on the Togiak River, and we talked through one of my best days ever swinging for king salmon. We also dig into how Great Lakes tactics translate to...

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A Fly Fisher’s Guide to Jackson Hole with Fish the Fly Guide Service show art A Fly Fisher’s Guide to Jackson Hole with Fish the Fly Guide Service

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#865b Show Notes:       Presented by: Jason Balogh is back from Fish the Fly Guide Service to recap his season around Jackson Hole and break down how he introduces new anglers to fly fishing. We cover beginner-friendly gear, dry dropper setups, casting basics, and how to read water on big Western rivers like the Snake. Show Notes:   

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865 | Trout Spey Set Up and Casting Fundamentals with Nick Conklin show art 865 | Trout Spey Set Up and Casting Fundamentals with Nick Conklin

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Show Notes: Https://wetfyswing.com/865 Sponsors: , , and Sponsors:https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors Last month on the Madison, I watched a perfect example of why Trout Spey exists. Wind ripping. Skinny water. A high bank behind us. Indicator rigs are getting ripped out of the drift the second they touch down. One angler finally stepped out of the rut, grabbed an 11-foot two-hander, and swung flies through water that had shut everyone else down. He wasn’t being heroic. He was listening to what the river was asking for. That moment frames this episode with Nick Conklin. We dig into...

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Using Attractor Patterns to Trigger Stillwater Trout with Phil Rowley (Littoral Zone #21) show art Using Attractor Patterns to Trigger Stillwater Trout with Phil Rowley (Littoral Zone #21)

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#864 Show Notes: Presented By: , , , Sponsors: Stillwater trout don’t always eat because they’re hungry — and that’s where many anglers get stuck. In this solo episode of the Littoral Zone Podcast, Phil Rowley breaks down the power of attraction and explains why trout often strike flies for reasons that have nothing to do with feeding. When matching the hatch fails, attractor patterns can trigger responses rooted in curiosity, aggression, and territorial instinct. Drawing from decades of stillwater experience, Phil explores when and why attractor flies work, how to fish them...

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The River Retreat Lodge with John and Liz Douville (Traveled #38) show art The River Retreat Lodge with John and Liz Douville (Traveled #38)

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863 Show Notes: Presented by:      If you’re trying to figure out where you can find giant stoneflies in July, chase technical midge eaters in March, and explore private spring creeks, all while staying in a five-star lodge that’s not priced like Jackson Hole, this episode shows you exactly where that place exists. Today we’re heading into Swan Valley, right in the heart of one of the most epic fishing zones in the West, with John and Liz Douville, owners of River Retreat Lodge. We dig into how they ended up buying a lodge in the middle of COVID, why March might actually...

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862 | Inside the Hidden World of Fly-Fishing Collectibles with Jim Adams show art 862 | Inside the Hidden World of Fly-Fishing Collectibles with Jim Adams

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Show Notes: Https://wetfyswing.com/862 Sponsors: , , and  Sponsors:https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors There’s a certain kind of fly fishing knowledge you don’t get from a quick scroll or a gear review. You get it from someone who’s been there when the “new” stuff was being invented, watched it cycle back around, and saved the paper trail along the way. That’s what this conversation with Jim Adams felt like: a walk through the hidden world of fly-fishing collectibles, rare books, and the history behind the gear we all obsess over. Jim’s story starts way back in 1943,...

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#736 Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/736 

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Welcome to the very first episode of CJ’s Reel Southern Podcast! This podcast is all about one thing—trophy fishing. Whether it’s brown trout, smallmouth, stripers, or even musky, we’re diving deep into the tactics, flies, and mindset it takes to target big fish.

To kick things off, Chad Johnson is joined by Alex Lafkas from Michigan—a longtime streamer junkie and one of the fishiest guys I know. They swap stories about their early days figuring out the White River, compare notes on streamer retrieves, fly patterns, and how to read fish behavior. Plus, you’ll hear a quick monthly update from Morgan Guss of Diamond State Fly Shop on what to look for in the Ozarks this time of year.

If you love chasing big fish and geeking out on gear and techniques, you’re in the right place. Let’s get into it.


Episode Chapters with Chad Johnson and Alex Lafkas on Streamers from Michigan to Arkansas

Fishing the Ozarks: March Update with Morgan Guss

March is a big transition month for fishing in the Ozarks. Water levels fluctuate, bringing both challenges and opportunities. Streamer fishing can be hot, especially near the dam during shad kills. Minnow patterns remain a solid bet throughout the river. On the lakes, stripers, largemouth, and crappie start moving as the water warms. Whether you’re fishing the rivers or the reservoirs, now’s the time to get out and find some big fish.

Streamer fishing for big browns has deep roots in Michigan, but it has evolved in places like Arkansas' White River. Alex Lafkas shares how adapting to different water conditions is key. In Michigan, extreme seasonal shifts change fish behavior, while Arkansas’ tailwaters stay within a smaller temperature range. This means retrieves, fly selection, and feeding patterns vary between the two regions. Timing also plays a huge role—understanding when and where the biggest fish move makes all the difference. Whether you’re chasing trophy trout up north or in the Ozarks, learning how to read the water is the secret to success.

Feeding vs. Aggression: Understanding the Brown Trout Bite

When streamer fishing for big browns, knowing the difference between a feeding bite and an aggression bite is key. Smaller flies, like sculpins and minnow patterns, work best when fish are actively feeding. But when targeting trophy fish, upsizing to seven or eight-inch streamers can trigger an aggressive reaction. These big fish aren’t always hungry, but they will strike to defend their territory.

In Michigan and Arkansas, seasonal changes and water conditions affect how trout react. During winter and early spring, minnows and sculpins are prime food sources. As water warms, trout shift to eating crayfish and hoppers. Understanding these seasonal patterns helps anglers choose the right fly and increase their chances of hooking a trophy brown.

The Power of Water Temperature in Fly Fishing

Water temperature affects more than just whether fish are active—it helps determine what they eat. Instead of just thinking about if it's too hot or too cold to fish, anglers should use temperature to decide on fly selection and approach.

  • Cold Water (Winter & Early Spring): Minnow and sculpin patterns work best.
  • Warming Water (Late Spring & Summer): Trout key in on crayfish and larger prey.
  • 50-Degree Sweet Spot: Brown trout tend to jump more when water hits 50°F.

The Power of the Pause in Streamer Fishing

When fishing streamers for big brown trout, knowing when to pause can make all the difference. Brown trout naturally feed in the drift, meaning they often strike when the fly stops moving. If you don’t give them that chance, you’re missing fish.

  • A long pause lets the fly hang in the water, making it look like an easy meal.
  • Fast retrieves can work in shallow water but should still include pauses.
  • A trout that follows five feet behind the fly isn’t likely to eat—focus on the ones that charge in.

The key takeaway? Don’t overwork the fly. If a fish is committed, let it eat!

Reading the Fish: How Body Language Can Make or Break Your Catch

One of the biggest mistakes anglers make is focusing too much on their fly and not enough on the fish. Trout will tell you what they want if you pay attention. A fish that follows but doesn’t eat may need a different angle, speed, or presentation. Instead of just changing flies, try adjusting your retrieve or adding weight.

  • Watch their behavior – If a trout is tracking your fly but hesitates, try a head-first approach.
  • Use the right depth – Fish will rarely rise far to eat, but they will crush a fly that drifts naturally into their zone.
  • Stick with what’s working – If one color or pattern has been producing, keep it in the mix, even when the bite slows.

Big fish aren’t just about luck—they're about reading the water, adjusting, and making the right move at the right time.

Chasing the Bite: Why Big Fish and Tough Days Are Worth It

Streamer fishing isn’t about numbers—it’s about the chase. The goal isn’t to catch the most fish, but to land the one that makes your whole day. Big browns, like trophy bass or muskies, take patience and persistence. The bite windows are short, the effort is high, but the reward is unforgettable.

  • Match the fly to the conditions – Olive and white is a staple, but don’t ignore subtle shifts in water color and light.
  • Read the fish – Watch their body language and adjust your retrieve. A following fish isn’t always a feeding fish.
  • Stick to your game – Whether it’s throwing big streamers, chasing a trophy, or dialing in a new technique, fish the way that excites you.

The One Thing Most Anglers Get Wrong

Want to fish big streamers? Get your casting right first. Alex sees it all the time—anglers spend thousands on a guided trip but never put in the time to practice casting. A solid double haul and accurate placement can make or break your day.

  • Tight loops matter – A sloppy cast won’t get the job done with big flies.
  • Backhand casts are key – Keep those heavy streamers away from your guide’s head.
  • Practice before your trip – A little time on the lawn or a local pond can save you frustration on the water.

A simple fix? Take a casting lesson. Spend an hour dialing in your cast, and you’ll get way more out of your next trip.

Connect with Alex & Chad Johnson

If you're looking to book a trip in Michigan or Arkansas, Alex takes new clients when available—just email him at alex@alflyfishing.com.

For guided trips in the Ozarks, Chad Johnson is booking trips through CJ’s White River Outfitter. Whether you're after big browns or smallmouth, he and his team have you covered.

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/736