CJ's Reel Southern Podcast #1 | Chad Johnson and Alex Lafkas - Streamers from Michigan to Arkansas
Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast
Release Date: 03/26/2025
Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast
#883 Show Notes: Presented by: If you’ve ever wondered why some anglers seem to always be in the right spot at the right time, this episode digs straight into that idea. In this conversation with Simon Chu, we talk about New Zealand fly fishing, spring creeks in Montana, and why slowing down and walking often reveal what boat fishing hides. Simon spends his seasons split between hemispheres, guiding and testing gear in some of the most demanding conditions on the planet. We get into Patagonia waders, sight fishing big browns, and the mindset shift that comes from hunting...
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Show Notes: Https://wetfyswing.com/882 Sponsors: , , and Sponsors:https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors Fly fishing has a way of making simple problems feel complicated. Your cast feels off, the presentation isn’t doing what you want, and suddenly you’re blaming everything in your hand. In this episode, we dig into understanding fly line design with Zach McKnight from Cortland Line, and it’s one of those conversations that can instantly clear the fog. Not by piling on more jargon, but by getting back to the one connection that quietly drives everything: rod to line to fly. We...
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882 Show Notes: Presented by: , , , What if the hardest fly fishing in the world is not about numbers, but about patience, restraint, and waiting all day for one real chance? That is the game today’s guest lives in. Rick Kustich is back on the podcast. Rick has spent decades chasing some of the toughest fish on the planet, from Great Lakes steelhead and giant muskie to Atlantic salmon and windswept rivers in Patagonia. He breaks down why strategy matters more than repetition, how small adjustments change everything, and what it really takes to fish at the highest level. ...
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#881 Show Notes: Presented By: , , Sponsors: Stillwater fly fishing rewards anglers who focus on presentation, depth, and efficiency rather than constantly changing flies. In this episode, Phil Rowley sits down with England’s Howard Croston — former world champion, longtime England team member, Hardy product developer, and Fulling Mill fly designer — to unpack the tactical decisions that consistently put trout in the net. From reading unfamiliar lakes and understanding stocked fish behavior to leader diameter, drift control, and eliminating “myths” about fly color, Howard explains...
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#880 Show Notes: Presented By: , , Sponsors: There’s a point in fly fishing where casting stops being the hard part, and decision-making takes over. In this episode, Dave Stewart is joined by Nick Elcheson from Scott Lake Lodge to break down sight fishing Northern Pike in shallow water, where patience, positioning, and timing matter more than power. Nick explains why fly fishing for pike is essentially freshwater flats fishing, how seasonal water temperature controls fish location, and why waiting for the right fish often leads to better outcomes than covering water. You’ll...
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#879 Show Notes: Presented by: In this episode, I’m joined by Orion Good, a Fishhound Expeditions guide who’s quietly dialing in what actually works when the salmon don’t show and the bead bite disappears. We dig into nymphing in Alaska trout nymphing, why the Duracell fly keeps producing when nothing else does, and how Orion locates fish in constantly changing systems. If you’ve ever wondered how to stay effective in Alaska when conditions shift, this one’s packed with real-world guide insight. Show Notes:
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#878b Show Notes: Presented by: When people think about Newfoundland fly fishing, Atlantic salmon usually steal the spotlight. But tucked into the same rivers and lakes are some of the hardest-fighting brook trout you’ll ever see, including sea-run fish pushing three to five pounds. In this episode, I sat down with Les Wentzell to walk through brook trout fishing. We dug into timing, locations, flies, wind tactics, and why a simple dead-drift can outfish flashy presentations. If you’re heading to Newfoundland for salmon, this episode opens the door to a second...
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878 Show Notes: Presented by: , , , Today, we’re digging into how fly rods are really designed. Not the marketing side, but what really goes into the design, the testing, and why some rods last for decades while others fall apart. Zac Dalton from St. Croix Rods is on the podcast today, and he walks us through how fly rods are designed from the ground up. We talk about rod action and why faster is not always better, what durability really means for anglers who fish hard, and how different actions change the way a rod fishes and casts. We also get into...
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#877 Show Notes: Presented By: , , , Sponsors: Fly fishing in Southern California looks nothing like a mountain river—and that’s exactly why it works. In this episode, Frank Vargas breaks down how surf fly fishing actually functions, from reading tides and beach structure to understanding how species like perch, corbina, and leopard sharks use shallow water to feed and travel. Frank shares how incoming and negative tides reveal feeding lanes, why anglers often walk past productive water, and how sight fishing in the surf can feel more like targeting carp than blind casting waves....
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#876 Show Notes: Presented by: Most adventure rigs look great online. Fewer are built for real miles, real weather, and those long fishing days that end well after dark. In this episode, I sit down with Matt Dunkerly to talk about building camper vans that actually work for anglers. Matt runs Adventure Vehicle Concepts, and his approach is refreshingly practical. This isn’t about Instagram builds or overcomplicating things. It’s about access, simplicity, and designing a rig that helps you fish more without getting in your own way. If you’ve been thinking about a van for fly...
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Welcome to the very first episode of CJ’s Reel Southern Podcast! This podcast is all about one thing—trophy fishing. Whether it’s brown trout, smallmouth, stripers, or even musky, we’re diving deep into the tactics, flies, and mindset it takes to target big fish.
To kick things off, Chad Johnson is joined by Alex Lafkas from Michigan—a longtime streamer junkie and one of the fishiest guys I know. They swap stories about their early days figuring out the White River, compare notes on streamer retrieves, fly patterns, and how to read fish behavior. Plus, you’ll hear a quick monthly update from Morgan Guss of Diamond State Fly Shop on what to look for in the Ozarks this time of year.
If you love chasing big fish and geeking out on gear and techniques, you’re in the right place. Let’s get into it.
Episode Chapters with Chad Johnson and Alex Lafkas on Streamers from Michigan to Arkansas
Fishing the Ozarks: March Update with Morgan Guss
March is a big transition month for fishing in the Ozarks. Water levels fluctuate, bringing both challenges and opportunities. Streamer fishing can be hot, especially near the dam during shad kills. Minnow patterns remain a solid bet throughout the river. On the lakes, stripers, largemouth, and crappie start moving as the water warms. Whether you’re fishing the rivers or the reservoirs, now’s the time to get out and find some big fish.
Streamer fishing for big browns has deep roots in Michigan, but it has evolved in places like Arkansas' White River. Alex Lafkas shares how adapting to different water conditions is key. In Michigan, extreme seasonal shifts change fish behavior, while Arkansas’ tailwaters stay within a smaller temperature range. This means retrieves, fly selection, and feeding patterns vary between the two regions. Timing also plays a huge role—understanding when and where the biggest fish move makes all the difference. Whether you’re chasing trophy trout up north or in the Ozarks, learning how to read the water is the secret to success.
Feeding vs. Aggression: Understanding the Brown Trout Bite
When streamer fishing for big browns, knowing the difference between a feeding bite and an aggression bite is key. Smaller flies, like sculpins and minnow patterns, work best when fish are actively feeding. But when targeting trophy fish, upsizing to seven or eight-inch streamers can trigger an aggressive reaction. These big fish aren’t always hungry, but they will strike to defend their territory.
In Michigan and Arkansas, seasonal changes and water conditions affect how trout react. During winter and early spring, minnows and sculpins are prime food sources. As water warms, trout shift to eating crayfish and hoppers. Understanding these seasonal patterns helps anglers choose the right fly and increase their chances of hooking a trophy brown.
The Power of Water Temperature in Fly Fishing
Water temperature affects more than just whether fish are active—it helps determine what they eat. Instead of just thinking about if it's too hot or too cold to fish, anglers should use temperature to decide on fly selection and approach.
- Cold Water (Winter & Early Spring): Minnow and sculpin patterns work best.
- Warming Water (Late Spring & Summer): Trout key in on crayfish and larger prey.
- 50-Degree Sweet Spot: Brown trout tend to jump more when water hits 50°F.
The Power of the Pause in Streamer Fishing
When fishing streamers for big brown trout, knowing when to pause can make all the difference. Brown trout naturally feed in the drift, meaning they often strike when the fly stops moving. If you don’t give them that chance, you’re missing fish.
- A long pause lets the fly hang in the water, making it look like an easy meal.
- Fast retrieves can work in shallow water but should still include pauses.
- A trout that follows five feet behind the fly isn’t likely to eat—focus on the ones that charge in.
The key takeaway? Don’t overwork the fly. If a fish is committed, let it eat!
Reading the Fish: How Body Language Can Make or Break Your Catch
One of the biggest mistakes anglers make is focusing too much on their fly and not enough on the fish. Trout will tell you what they want if you pay attention. A fish that follows but doesn’t eat may need a different angle, speed, or presentation. Instead of just changing flies, try adjusting your retrieve or adding weight.
- Watch their behavior – If a trout is tracking your fly but hesitates, try a head-first approach.
- Use the right depth – Fish will rarely rise far to eat, but they will crush a fly that drifts naturally into their zone.
- Stick with what’s working – If one color or pattern has been producing, keep it in the mix, even when the bite slows.
Big fish aren’t just about luck—they're about reading the water, adjusting, and making the right move at the right time.
Chasing the Bite: Why Big Fish and Tough Days Are Worth It
Streamer fishing isn’t about numbers—it’s about the chase. The goal isn’t to catch the most fish, but to land the one that makes your whole day. Big browns, like trophy bass or muskies, take patience and persistence. The bite windows are short, the effort is high, but the reward is unforgettable.
- Match the fly to the conditions – Olive and white is a staple, but don’t ignore subtle shifts in water color and light.
- Read the fish – Watch their body language and adjust your retrieve. A following fish isn’t always a feeding fish.
- Stick to your game – Whether it’s throwing big streamers, chasing a trophy, or dialing in a new technique, fish the way that excites you.
The One Thing Most Anglers Get Wrong
Want to fish big streamers? Get your casting right first. Alex sees it all the time—anglers spend thousands on a guided trip but never put in the time to practice casting. A solid double haul and accurate placement can make or break your day.
- Tight loops matter – A sloppy cast won’t get the job done with big flies.
- Backhand casts are key – Keep those heavy streamers away from your guide’s head.
- Practice before your trip – A little time on the lawn or a local pond can save you frustration on the water.
A simple fix? Take a casting lesson. Spend an hour dialing in your cast, and you’ll get way more out of your next trip.
Connect with Alex & Chad Johnson
If you're looking to book a trip in Michigan or Arkansas, Alex takes new clients when available—just email him at alex@alflyfishing.com.
For guided trips in the Ozarks, Chad Johnson is booking trips through CJ’s White River Outfitter. Whether you're after big browns or smallmouth, he and his team have you covered.
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