All Things Internal Audit
All Things Internal Audit is a podcast sharing news and practical knowledge for internal auditors. Produced by The Institute of Internal Auditors, each episode features insightful interviews with knowledgeable pros, timely tips and the latest news about the profession. All Things Internal Audit is available everywhere you get podcasts. Visit www.theiia.org for more information.
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Starting Strong: The Power of the IAP
09/09/2025
Starting Strong: The Power of the IAP
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Benito Ybarra sits down with Rick Walke to discuss the newly updated Internal Audit Practitioner™ (IAP™) designation. They explore its value as a permanent credential, its role as a stepping stone to the Certified Internal Auditor® (CIA®), and how it equips internal auditors with foundational knowledge. The conversation highlights the IAP’s global reach, employer credibility, and practical benefits for students, rotational auditors, and professionals at the start of their audit journey. Visit the page on theiia.org for additional information. HOST:, CIAExecutive Vice President, Global Standards, Guidance, and Certifications, The IIA GUEST: , CIA, QIAL, CRMA, CPAVice President, Internal Audit and Risk Management, FORUM Credit Union Key Points Introduction [00:00–00:00:38] The 18-Month Development Process [00:01:23–00:01:49] Making the IAP Permanent and a CIA Stepping Stone [00:01:49–00:02:36] Clearing Up Confusion: IAP vs. CIA Part One [00:02:39–00:03:45] Structured Learning for New Auditors [00:04:08–00:05:17] Target Audiences [00:05:47–00:06:54] Building Foundational Knowledge and Ethics [00:07:06–00:07:53] Reliability and Employer Confidence [00:08:17–00:09:04] CIA Exam Alignment and Credibility [00:09:04–00:09:29] Studying the Syllabus: Key Sections [00:09:29–00:10:54] Governance, Risk, and Fraud Concepts [00:11:08–00:12:18] Portability of Knowledge Across Careers [00:12:18–00:13:25] Making the Case to Employers for Support [00:13:26–00:14:07] Employee Development and Organizational Strength [00:14:32–00:15:02] Global Accessibility [00:15:59–00:16:20] Worldwide Recognition and Value [00:16:20–00:17:07] A Team Effort [00:17:13–00:17:39] Closing Remarks [00:17:39–00:18:13] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Leadership Lessons from Scaling AI-Driven Companies
09/03/2025
Leadership Lessons from Scaling AI-Driven Companies
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit TechSponsored by In this companion episode to the linked in the show notes, Mike Levy sits down with Vidya Peters, CEO of DataSnipper, to discuss how AI is reshaping audit work and how internal auditors can lead the charge. They discuss real-world leadership lessons, pitfalls in AI adoption, and practical steps for auditors looking to evolve with emerging technologies. HOST:, CIA, CRMA, CISSPCEO, Cherry Hill Advisory GUEST:CEO, DataSnipper KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:00:23] AI’s Rapid Evolution in Audit [00:00:38–00:02:38] Balancing Change Management With Innovation [00:02:46–00:05:13] Embedding GenAI into Auditor Workflows [00:05:21–00:07:50] Governance Missteps and Shadow AI [00:08:27–00:10:54] Auditors as Advisors in AI Governance [00:11:03–00:11:37] Compliance and Regulatory Considerations [00:11:38–00:12:34] The Future of Agentic AI in Audit [00:13:16–00:14:47] Resource Shortages and Doing More with Less [00:15:20–00:16:05] Audit Under Siege: Talent, Regulation, Quality [00:16:12–00:17:51] Why AI Won’t Replace Auditors [00:18:07–00:19:59] Three Waves of AI Change in Audit [00:20:20–00:21:07] What Auditors Should Do to Prepare [00:21:19–00:22:53] Final Advice for Auditors [00:23:35–00:24:50] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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The Power of Volunteering — Lessons from IIA–St. Louis Leadership
08/26/2025
The Power of Volunteering — Lessons from IIA–St. Louis Leadership
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal AuditBenito Ybarra sits down with IIA–St. Louis Chapter leaders Sarah Knox-Hansen and Steven Yashuk to discuss why volunteering matters. From being “voluntold” to leading by choice, they share how chapter work strengthens leadership skills, builds camaraderie, and keeps auditors energized. They also explore post-COVID engagement challenges, creative programming shifts, and practical advice for anyone considering raising their hand to get involved. HOST: , CIA Executive Vice President, Global Standards, Guidance, and Certifications, The IIA GUESTS:, CPA Principal, Anders Board of Governors Immediate Past President, IIA–St. Louis Chapter , CIA, CISA, CFE Senior Auditor, University of Missouri SystemSecretary, IIA–St. Louis Chapter KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:00:35] How They First Got Involved [00:00:45–00:01:30] Connecting to the Profession Through Chapter Work [00:01:51–00:02:22] Post-COVID Engagement Challenges [00:02:37–00:03:15] Leadership Skills Gained Through Volunteering [00:03:34–00:04:52] Fun and Networking in Chapter Life [00:04:57–00:05:34] Lessons Learned [00:06:03–00:06:47] Shared Chapter Struggles Across Regions [00:06:52–00:07:22] Why Volunteers Are So Essential [00:08:29–00:09:19] Personal and Professional Benefits [00:09:28–00:10:20] Final Thoughts [00:10:35–00:10:55] THE IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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The Power of Influence in Internal Audit
08/20/2025
The Power of Influence in Internal Audit
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Carey Blakeman talks with Doris Myles about why influence can be more powerful than authority in internal auditing. Doris shares lessons from more than 20 years leading audits across global organizations and mission-driven institutions, emphasizing relationship mapping, knowing your audience, storytelling, and building trust well before an audit begins. HOST:, CIA, CPADirector of Corporate Governance Engagement, The IIA GUEST:, CIA, CPA, CITPDirector of Internal Audit, St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:00:22] Evolving Leadership Styles [00:00:32–00:02:05] Influence vs. Authority in Internal Audit [00:02:08–00:03:53] Relationship Mapping and Building Trust [00:04:11–00:06:11] Communication Mistakes Auditors Make [00:07:21–00:08:29] Essential Soft Skills for Auditors [00:08:46–00:11:14] Storytelling to Build Confidence and Influence [00:10:45–00:11:14] Leading Through Transformation [00:11:55–00:15:33] Building Influence Across Departments [00:15:41–00:17:55] Final Advice: Mastering the Art of Storytelling [00:18:31–00:19:32] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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AI Education for Internal Auditors
08/12/2025
AI Education for Internal Auditors
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit TechSponsored by and In this companion episode to the , Charles King talks with Kelsey Murphy about what it takes to drive meaningful AI adoption in internal audit. They discuss the role of education, trust, leadership buy-in, and everyday experimentation. From training tips to real-world wins, this episode is a guide for teams looking to integrate AI into audit workflows with strategy, not just buzzwords. HOST: , CIA, CPA, CFE, CIPPPartner, AI in Internal Controls Leader, KPMG GUESTS:Senior Solution Engineer, Workiva KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:00:36] Focusing AI Education on the “Why” [00:02:00–00:03:52] Defining Goals Before Use Cases [00:04:02–00:05:24] Ongoing AI Training Beyond Workshops [00:05:48–00:08:07] Tone at the Top and Champions Networks [00:08:07–00:09:57] Learning Through Personal and Professional Use [00:10:10–00:12:15] Overcoming Trust Challenges and Building Skill [00:13:25–00:15:39] AI as an Editor vs. Creator [00:15:42–00:17:36] Creating a Culture of Innovation [00:19:21–00:20:59] Real-World Risk Assessment Time Savings [00:21:06–00:22:58] Measuring AI’s Impact: Quantitative and Qualitative [00:23:06–00:24:38] Quality as a Race to the Top [00:24:53–00:27:00] The Future of Audit Work with Integrated AI [00:27:50–00:29:56] Encouraging Adoption and Establishing Norms [00:32:16–00:34:54] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Good Governance: Continuing the Conversation
08/05/2025
Good Governance: Continuing the Conversation
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal AuditBusiness leaders weigh in on what good governance really means. In this special episode, Christine Janesko shares additional insight from her interviews for Internal Auditor magazine’s “” article. Hear expert takes on balancing governance, avoiding regulatory pitfalls, and internal audit’s role in keeping organizations on track. HOST: Associate Manager Producer, Content Development, The IIA GUESTS:Senior Editor, Internal Auditor magazine, The IIA , CPARetired Chief Integrity Officer, Cleveland Clinic , CIA, CPA, CRMAChief Audit Executive, Leidos ,CEO, Good Governance Academy , CIA, CPA, CRMASenior Director, Legal Entity Controlling, Adidas KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:00:43] The Power of Structure and Independence [00:00:56–00:03:10] From Reporting to Results [00:03:16–00:05:05] CAE as the Board’s Secret Weapon [00:05:14–00:08:03] Measuring Maturity with ISO 37004 [00:08:13–00:10:12] Avoiding Governance Fatigue [00:10:27–00:12:29] Governance vs. Innovation: A Goldilocks Problem [00:12:32–00:16:17] Closing Thoughts [00:16:20–00:17:02] THE IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Beyond Business Cards: Making Real Connections in Internal Audit
07/29/2025
Beyond Business Cards: Making Real Connections in Internal Audit
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Internal audit is a relationship business. In this episode, Mike Levy sits down with Stacey Lynch to explore how authentic connections -- whether through mentorship, volunteerism, or daily audit work -- can elevate your career, improve audit outcomes, and expand your professional network. HOST:, CIA, CRMA, CISSPCEO, Cherry Hill Advisory GUEST:, CIA, CRMADeputy City Auditor, City of Phoenix KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:00:24] Lynch’s Background and IIA Volunteer Work [00:00:35–00:01:30] The Value of Volunteering and Organizational Support [00:01:30–00:02:10] Building Relationships While Maintaining Objectivity [00:02:10–00:04:11] Using Relationships to Drive Positive Change [00:04:11–00:06:24] Mutual Respect, Learning, and Full Audit Storytelling [00:06:24–00:06:58] The Power of Networking Through Chapters [00:06:58–00:08:26] Maintaining Relationships Across Geographies [00:08:59–00:10:56] Common Networking Mistakes [00:10:56–00:12:28] Using Your Network to Stay Current on Trends [00:12:28–00:14:52] The Future of Networking and AI’s Role [00:14:52–00:16:48] Balancing Independence with Relationship Building [00:16:48–00:19:06] Mentorship Experiences and Benefits [00:19:06–00:21:10] Building and Managing Your Professional Rolodex [00:21:10–00:24:32] Final Thoughts: Volunteer and Get Involved [00:24:32–00:25:07] THE IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Internal Audit Education in Action
07/22/2025
Internal Audit Education in Action
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Lindsay Patterson speaks with Dennis Applegate about how internal audit education is shaping the future of the profession. From addressing the talent pipeline shortage to giving students hands-on experience with risk assessments and mock audit plans, Dennis Applegate shares how academic programs can inspire the next generation of internal auditors — and how professionals can get involved. HOST:, CIA, CPAExecutive Vice President of Membership, Marketing & Communications, The IIA GUEST:, CIA, CPA, CMA, CFEAssociate Clinical Professor, Albers School of Business, Seattle University KEY POINTS: Introduction and Pipeline Challenges [00:00-00:02:40] Applegates’s Background and Teaching Experience [00:01:03-00:01:56] Declining Enrollment in Accounting and Internal Auditing [00:02:03-00:03:22] Integrating Internal Auditing into Business Curricula [00:03:22-00:04:44] Raising Awareness Beyond Accounting Programs [00:04:44-00:05:40] Internal Audit Course Objectives and Frameworks [00:05:58-00:07:52] Emphasizing Enterprise Risk Management [00:07:53-00:10:58] Hands-On Learning: Team Projects and Risk Assessments [00:10:58-00:14:37] Presenting to Hypothetical Audit Committees [00:14:37-00:16:16] Audit Plan Development and Risk Prioritization [00:16:16-00:18:49] Student Outcomes and Passing the CIA Exam [00:18:49-00:20:26] Career Paths in Internal Auditing and Risk Advisory [00:20:26-00:21:23] Advice for Universities and Professors [00:21:23-00:22:54] Broader Curriculum Benefits and Enrollment Growth [00:23:03-00:24:51] Closing Thoughts and Encouragement for Educators [00:24:51-00:25:34] THE IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Becoming a CAE: Lessons in Leadership, Talent, and Trust
07/15/2025
Becoming a CAE: Lessons in Leadership, Talent, and Trust
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Erin Banet discusses her transition from Big Four auditor to internal audit executive. Banet shares lessons on building strategic relationships, mentoring rising talent, and strengthening internal audit’s role. She also highlights creative recruitment strategies, evolving audit committee communications, and how to lead with intention in a changing talent market. HOST:Associate Manager, Content Development, The IIA GUEST:, CPASVP, Chief Audit and Risk Officer, Humana KEY POINTS: Introduction and Background [00:00–00:01:20] Climbing to CAE [00:01:20–00:02:50] Audit Committee Relationships [00:02:50–00:03:33] Strategic Networking and Internal Branding [00:03:33–00:05:52] Mentoring and Elevating Future Leaders [00:06:06–00:07:30] Rotation and Talent Development Programs [00:07:40–00:08:48] Talent Gaps and New Recruitment Strategies [00:08:48–00:10:44] Creative Job Descriptions and Hiring Criteria [00:10:44–00:12:36] Pitching the Profession to New Talent [00:12:36–00:13:45] Leadership Reflections [00:13:45–00:14:55] Audit Committee Communication and Feedback [00:14:55–00:17:15] Streamlining Audit Reports for Impact [00:17:23–00:18:45] Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up [00:18:45–00:18:56] THE IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Quantum Is Coming for Your Encryption. Now What?
07/09/2025
Quantum Is Coming for Your Encryption. Now What?
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech Quantum computing might sound futuristic, but internal auditors need to prepare now. Bill Truett catches up with Nick Reese to talk about what’s changed in the quantum space — including new cryptography standards — real-world risks, and what internal auditors can do today to get ready. HOST:, CIA, CISA Senior Manager, Standards & Guidance, IT, The IIA GUEST: Co-founder and Chief Operating Officer, Frontier Foundry Adjunct Professor, New York University KEY POINTS: Introduction and What's New in Quantum [00:00-01:34] What is Quantum Computing? [00:01:34-05:57] Milestones in Quantum Development [00:05:58-07:50] Quantum + AI? Not Yet [00:08:12-09:58] What Auditors Should Know About NIST Standards [00:10:00-11:54] Immediate Steps for Internal Audit [00:13:15-17:38] Legislation and Regulatory Outlook [00:20:28-22:19] Global Threats and Historical Analogies [00:22:20-26:11] Key Terms Auditors Should Learn [00:26:17-28:34] Training Resources [00:28:35-31:00] Opportunities Beyond Risk Management [00:31:00-34:11] The Five-Year Vision [00:34:16-37:21] THE IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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The Rise of Fourth-Party Threats
07/01/2025
The Rise of Fourth-Party Threats
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, Mike Levy and Shontelle Mixon discuss the growing risks tied to fourth-party relationships. They discuss how internal auditors can leverage technology, enhanced contracts, and cross-functional collaboration to pinpoint, track, and reduce those downstream risks. They break down how internal audit's role is evolving in a world shaped by cybersecurity, AI, and shifting regulations. HOST:, CIA, CRMA, CISSPCEO, Cherry Hill Advisory GUEST:, CPADivisional SVP, Internal Audit and Special Investigations, Healthcare Service Corporation KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:00:38] What Is Fourth-Party Risk? [00:00:38–00:01:52] Evolution of Risk and Offshoring Trends [00:01:52–00:02:32] Mitigating Fourth-Party Risks [00:02:32–00:03:47] Steps for Maturing a Vendor Risk Program [00:03:47–00:04:50] The Challenge of Shadow IT [00:04:50–00:05:54] Data Mining and Continuous Monitoring [00:05:54–00:06:59] Beyond the SOC Report [00:06:59–00:08:27] Getting Started Without Tech [00:08:27–00:09:32] Cybersecurity as a Starting Point [00:09:32–00:10:44] Educating the Audit Committee [00:10:44–00:12:00] Real-Time Monitoring and Vendor Audits [00:12:00–00:13:09] Misconceptions About Outsourcing Risk [00:13:09–00:13:56] Preparing for the Future [00:13:56–00:15:32] Pitfalls in Contracting [00:15:32–00:16:38] First Step for New Audit Functions [00:16:38–00:17:12] Aligning with Organizational Risk Priorities [00:17:12–00:18:36] Getting Executive Buy-In [00:18:36–00:20:06] Supporting Smaller Audit Shops [00:20:06–00:21:14] Final Advice [00:21:14–00:21:58] THE IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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The IIA’s New Cybersecurity Topical Requirement
06/24/2025
The IIA’s New Cybersecurity Topical Requirement
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, Logan Wamsley talks with George Barham about The IIA’s . They discuss how internal audit functions should prepare for its 2026 effective date, and why CAEs should take action now. The conversation also highlights the requirement's companion user guide, outsourcing considerations, framework references, and IIA resources available to help internal audit functions conform with confidence. HOST:Associate Manager, Content Development, The IIA GUEST:, CIA, CRMA, CISA,Director, Standards & Guidance, The IIA KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00-00:00:21] Background on the Cybersecurity Topical Requirement [00:00:21-00:01:31] Key Feedback and Early Implementation Advice [00:01:31-00:03:09] Tips from CAEs on Getting Started [00:03:09-00:04:37] How to Use the Companion User Guide [00:04:37-00:05:57] Outsourcing Considerations [00:05:57-00:07:30] Framework References and Mapping [00:07:30-00:09:37] Keeping Up with the Evolving Cyber Landscape [00:09:37-00:11:30] Annual Review and Updates [00:11:30-00:12:24] Advice as the Effective Date Approaches [00:12:24-00:14:26] Additional IIA Resources and Support [00:14:26-00:16:38] Final Thoughts [00:16:38-00:18:23] THE IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Becoming a Strategic Business Partner
06/17/2025
Becoming a Strategic Business Partner
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Mike Levy sits down with Rania Bejjani to discuss what it takes for internal auditors to become strategic business partners. From mindset shifts and organizational alignment to building trust and influencing change, Bejjani shares insights grounded in global experience. The conversation covers the evolving role of internal auditors, essential competencies, and how to earn a seat at the table by becoming a catalyst for strategic value. HOST:, CIA, CRMA, CISACEO and managing principal, Cherry Hill Advisory GUEST:, CIA, CGMA, Founder and CEO, RB Advisory & Consultancy Former CAE at VEON, FirstGroup and Colt Technology Services Key Points Introduction [00:00–00:00:37] Defining Strategic Business Partnering [00:00:37–00:03:15] Trusted Advisor vs. Strategic Partner [00:03:15–00:06:05] Earning a Seat at the Table [00:06:05–00:07:45] Shifting from Problem Identifier to Problem Solver [00:07:45–00:09:40] Transformation Starts with Self-Assessment [00:09:40–00:12:21] Hiring for Mindset Over Skillset [00:12:21–00:15:33] Why Emotional Intelligence Matters [00:15:33–00:17:56] The Multifaceted Auditor [00:17:56–00:20:43] Transformation in Action [00:20:43–00:25:34] Overcoming Resistance and Changing Perceptions [00:25:34–00:29:28] Closing Thoughts [00:29:28–00:29:59] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Leading Small Audit Functions: Strategies for Success
06/10/2025
Leading Small Audit Functions: Strategies for Success
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, George Barham talks with Skip Langlois about the unique challenges and opportunities of small internal audit functions. They discuss definitions of a small function, advice for starting one, managing expectations, building relationships and developing future leaders in a small audit environment. Langlois also shares insights on leveraging AI and why emotional intelligence matters as as much as technical skill in a small audit environment. HOST:, CIA, CRMA, CISA,Director, Standards & Guidance, The IIA GUEST:, CIA, CPA, CISA, CFE, CRMA Senior Vice President and Chief Audit Executive, Encova Insurance Key Points Introduction [00:00-00:00:38] Defining a Small Audit Function [00:00:56-00:01:22] Advice for Starting a Small Audit Function [00:02:03-00:03:48] Building Relationships and Credibility [00:04:12-00:06:06] Identifying Stakeholders and Internal Relationships [00:06:13-00:08:03] Scope and Focus of Small Functions [00:08:13-00:10:22] Networking and External Relationships [00:10:22-00:11:50] Making the Case to Expand a Small Team [00:12:15-00:13:48] Recruiting and Retaining Top Talent [00:13:59-00:15:24] Leveraging AI in Small Functions [00:15:35-00:17:15] Leadership Lessons from the Military [00:17:15-00:19:42] Final Thoughts [00:19:44-00:19:56] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Fraud Podcast: The Out of Control Controller
06/04/2025
Fraud Podcast: The Out of Control Controller
All Things Internal Audit: Fraud Podcast"The Out of Control Controller" Listen to The IIA’s new Fraud Podcast brought to you by . This series provides fictionalized accounts of real-world frauds featured in Internal Auditor magazine’s Fraud department. In this episode, Bruce Kraus investigates a shocking embezzlement case at Allied Engineering involving longtime controller Jane Simmons. With lax oversight and too much unchecked authority, Simmons executes 11 different schemes over five years. From gift card grifts, to a ghost payroll, and a company car gone rogue, this case shows how even trusted employees can exploit internal control gaps. IIA members can access the full article . Interested in more fraud-related topics? Earn CPEs by registering for The IIA's , online and in-person. Chapters: Part 1: A Swipe Too Far (00:00:23) Part 2: A Wiped Drive and a Widening Scope (00:01:54) Part 3: A Pattern of Deception (00:03:14) Part 4: Aftermath and Lessons (00:05:49) Resources Mentioned: Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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The New CIA Exam and IAP Program
05/27/2025
The New CIA Exam and IAP Program
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Christina Brune talks to Rick Walke and André Vertamatti about the major updates to the Certified Internal Auditor (CIA) exam and the Internal Audit Practitioner (IAP) program. They discuss the motivations behind the changes, how the updated Global Internal Audit Standards influenced the new exam, and what candidates can expect. The conversation also highlights the importance of aligning certification with real-world internal audit practices and the future of the profession. Visit the page on theiia.org for additional information. HOST: Director, Exam Development, The IIA GUEST: , CIA, CPA, CRMA, QIALVice President, Internal Audit and Risk Management, FORUM Credit UnionCommittee Chair, IIA Exam Development Committee , CIA, CPA, CRMAHead of Internal Audit, Volkswagen Financial Services Brazil and LM Soluções de MobilidadeVice Chair, IIA Exam Development Committee Key Points Introduction [00:00-00:37] Overview of CIA Exam Changes [00:38-01:42] Why Now? Motivation Behind the Updates [01:43-02:39] Incorporating the Global Internal Audit Standards [02:40-04:25] Testing Topical Requirements [04:26-06:01] What Candidates Need to Know [06:02-07:30] Study Options and Preparation Tips [07:31-08:33] Why the New Exam is Better [08:34-10:52] Impact on the Profession [10:53-12:20] Internal Audit Practitioner (IAP) Program Changes [12:21-15:38] Why IAP Updates Matter [15:39-17:38] Final Thoughts [17:39-18:38] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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From Prompts to Practice: AI-Driven Innovation in Internal Audit
05/20/2025
From Prompts to Practice: AI-Driven Innovation in Internal Audit
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, Charles King talks with Debbie Lew about the transformative role of artificial intelligence in internal auditing. They discuss the integration of AI tools like Copilot, the importance of prompt writing, and how AI is enhancing audit processes. The conversation also covers training strategies, real-world applications, and the impact of AI on stakeholder engagement. HOST: , CIA, CPA, CFE, CIPP Partner, AI in Internal Controls Leader, KPMG US GUEST: , CISA, CRISC, CHIAP Senior Vice President and Chief Audit Executive, Kaiser Permanente Key Points: Introduction [00:00-00:38] Inside Kaiser Permanente’s Internal Audit Team [00:39-02:14] AI Adoption at Kaiser Permanente [02:15-03:21] Prompt Writing as a Core Skill [03:22-04:10] Guidance Manuals and Prompt Libraries [04:11-05:02] Building AI Agents to Support Audits [05:03-05:51] Training, Communication, and Driving Adoption [05:52-07:23] Innovative Applications of GenAI in Audit [07:24-08:28] Inspiring a Tech-Forward Culture [08:29-10:06] Final Thoughts [10:07-10:31] IIA Related Content: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources. Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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AI Meets Agile Internal Auditing
05/13/2025
AI Meets Agile Internal Auditing
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, George Barham talks with Mike Callino about how agile methodologies and artificial intelligence are transforming internal audit functions. Mike shares practical insights on implementing agile auditing, the challenges and benefits of this approach, and how AI is being used throughout the audit lifecycle. HOST:, CIA, CISA, CRMA Director, Standards & Professional Guidance, The IIA GUEST:, CIA, CISA Senior Director, Internal Audit, Braze Key Points Introduction [00:00-00:00:27] Defining Agile Auditing [00:00:28-00:01:12] Applying Agile in Practice [00:01:13-00:03:03] Metrics for Agile Success [00:03:04-00:04:15] How Agile Auditing Has Evolved [00:04:16-00:06:06] Getting Started with Agile [00:06:07-00:07:28] Roles and Responsibilities in Agile [00:07:29-00:09:12] Measuring Agile Success [00:09:13-00:10:04] Training for Agile Adoption [00:10:05-00:11:20] AI Use Cases in the Audit Lifecycle [00:11:21-00:14:51] Common Misconceptions About Agile [00:14:52-00:16:12] The Future of Agile and AI in Auditing [00:16:13-00:18:48] IIA Related Content: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Let's Talk Talent: Building a High-Performing Internal Audit Team
05/07/2025
Let's Talk Talent: Building a High-Performing Internal Audit Team
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, The IIA’s Lindsay Patterson talks with Anna Davis of Qualcomm about the crucial aspects of internal audit team formation and dynamics. They discuss hiring strategies in the current market, the importance of soft and hard skills, the challenges and benefits of remote and in-office work, and methods for fostering a strong team culture. HOST:, CIA, CPAExecutive Vice President , Membership, Marketing and Communications, The IIA GUEST:, CPAVice President, CAE, Qualcomm Key Points Introduction [00:00-00:22] Team Formation: Starting with Hiring [00:23-01:34] In-Office Work and Recruitment Challenges [01:35-04:13] Hard and Soft Skills and Business Acumen [04:14-06:00] Retention and Career Growth Opportunities [06:01-07:05] Team Size and Responsibilities [07:06-07:44] Building a Team Culture [07:45-10:32] The Value of Authentic Leadership [10:33-12:03] Advice for Aspiring Audit Leaders [12:04-13:44] Final Thoughts [13:45-14:44] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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EQ Meets AI: Enhancing Internal Audit
05/01/2025
EQ Meets AI: Enhancing Internal Audit
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, Andrew Guasp talks with Alex Gacheche about the importance of emotional intelligence (EQ) in the internal audit profession, especially in the context of AI advancements. They discuss how EQ can enhance internal audit effectiveness, the role of empathy and communication, and the impact of cultural differences on EQ. From active listening to handling difficult conversations, this episode unpacks the human side of internal auditing. HOST:, CIA Senior Manager, Standards & Professional Guidance, The IIA GUEST:, CISAHead of Internal Audit, Information Security, Technology Infrastructure, Emerging Technology, and AI, Meta Key Points Introduction [00:00–00:01:16] What Is Emotional Intelligence? [00:01:17–00:03:34] Human Judgment with AI [00:03:35–00:05:01] Balancing Hard and Soft Skills [00:05:02–00:06:27] Developing EQ in Auditing [00:08:42–00:11:51] EQ in Communication and Reporting [00:11:52–00:13:16] Training for EQ Skills [00:13:17–00:14:31] Blending AI and EQ [00:14:32–00:15:49] Resources to Grow EQ [00:15:50–00:18:24] Using EQ in Remediation [00:18:25–00:21:42] EQ in Planning and Information Gathering [00:21:43–00:24:01] Cultural Sensitivity and Word Choice [00:24:02–00:26:32] Leading Multigenerational Teams [00:26:33–00:30:17] EQ’s Role in the AI Era [00:30:18–00:32:25] Leadership, Retention, and EQ [00:32:26–00:35:02] EQ in Walkthroughs and Meetings [00:35:03–00:40:47] Final Thoughts [00:40:48–00:41:53] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Supercharging Internal Audit: Implementing Advanced AI for Risk and Monitoring
04/22/2025
Supercharging Internal Audit: Implementing Advanced AI for Risk and Monitoring
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, Charles King talks with Imraan Mulla about the transformative potential of AI in internal auditing. They discuss AI’s evolution from basic automation to advanced applications, the challenges of adoption, and the future of AI in internal auditing. The conversation also covers continuous monitoring, risk assessment, and the role of human judgment in an AI-driven world. HOST:, CIA, CPA, CFE, CIPP, Partner, AI in Internal Controls Leader, KPMG LLP GUEST: , Vice president, Analytics and Innovation, Capital One Key Points Introduction [00:00-00:00:21] AI's Evolution in Internal Auditing [00:21-01:08] Challenges of AI Adoption [01:08-02:16] Driving AI Adoption and ROI [02:16-04:31] The Future of Internal Audit with AI [04:31-05:57] Prioritizing Investments in AI [05:57-08:10] Continuous Monitoring and Targeted Audits [08:10-11:05] Flexible Audit Plans and Risk-based Auditing [11:05-12:29] Analyzing Unstructured Data [12:29-14:14] Human Judgment and AI [14:14-16:06] Building a Culture of Innovation [16:06-18:11] Internal Audit as a Beacon for Innovation [18:11-20:48] Agentic AI and Its Applications [20:48-22:49] Final Thoughts [22:49-23:19] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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The Last Laugh: Mike Jacka Unplugged
04/16/2025
The Last Laugh: Mike Jacka Unplugged
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Mike Jacka talks with Anne Millage about his decision to end the “Mind of Jacka” blog after 900 posts. Mike shares some favorite posts, the origins of his ideas, and the role humor plays in his writing. He looks back at his internal audit career and offers his thoughts on the evolution of the profession. Read Mike's 900th blog post: Host: Director of content, The IIA Guests: , CIA, CPA, CPCU, CLU Chief creative pilot at Flying Pig Audit, Consulting and Training Solutions Key Points: Introduction [00:00-00:33] Overview of Mike's contributions to the internal audit community through his writing. Mike's Journey [00:34-02:19] Discussion on Mike's career in internal auditing and his decision to start the blog. Insights into Mike's unique approach to writing and humor in the internal audit profession. Decision to End the Blog [02:20-04:07] Mike explains why he decided to end the blog after 900 posts. Reflection on the milestones and reasons behind his retirement. Challenges and Causes [04:08-05:36] The challenges Mike faced while writing the blog. Discussion on the evolving nature of internal auditing and the profession's biggest challenges. Popular Posts and Audience Engagement [05:37-07:54] Anne and Mike discuss some of the most popular and commented-on blog posts. Insights into why certain posts resonated with the audience and sparked discussions. Humor in Internal Auditing [07:55-09:35] Mike shares his experiences with incorporating humor into his writing. The importance of not taking the profession too seriously and the impact of humor. Remote Auditing and Modern Challenges [09:36-11:08] Discussion on the topic of remote auditing and its effectiveness. Mike's views on the current trends and challenges in the internal audit profession. Future Plans [11:09-13:08] Mike talks about his future plans post-retirement. His continued involvement in training, writing, and other passions. Final Thoughts [13:09-15:57] Mike's advice for other internal auditors on writing and following their passions. The IIA Related Content: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit The IIA's or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Stopping the 5:00 PM Response
04/08/2025
Stopping the 5:00 PM Response
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Mike Levy speaks with Adam Neifach about the challenges of late audit responses — what they call the “dreaded 5:00 p.m. response.” They discuss why audit clients delay engagement, how to foster collaboration, and practical strategies for improving responsiveness. Host:, CIA, CRMA, CISA, CEO and managing principal, Cherry Hill Advisory Guests: , CIA, CPA, CISA, senior manager of Internal Audit, Frontier Airlines Key Points: Introduction [00:00-00:43] The 5:00 PM Response [00:44-02:28] Explanation of the "5:00 PM response" and its impact on audit processes. Discussion on why audit clients delay engagement. Challenges and Causes [02:29-03:36] Adam Neifach shares his experiences with late responses and the challenges they pose. Exploration of potential reasons behind delayed responses, including inefficiencies and reluctance. Building Relationships [03:37-05:32] Importance of building relationships with audit clients to improve responsiveness. Strategies for fostering collaboration and understanding client perspectives. Proactive Communication [05:33-07:03] The role of proactive communication in preventing late responses. Techniques for maintaining open and constant communication throughout the audit process. Real-world Tactics [07:04-09:35] Adam Neifach shares real-world tactics from his own experience. Practical strategies for encouraging earlier engagement and ensuring smoother audits. Cultural and Generational Differences [09:36-11:08] How cultural and generational differences impact audit responses. Adapting communication styles to different stakeholders. Tactical Solutions [11:09-13:08] Specific tactics for dealing with delayed responses, including setting up pre-deadline meetings. Importance of addressing resource constraints and understanding client workloads. Escalation and Management [13:09-15:11] When and how to escalate issues to management without damaging relationships. Balancing the need for timely responses with maintaining positive client relationships. Final Thoughts [15:12-17:57] Final advice for auditors on improving audit response times and fostering collaboration. The IIA Related Content: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit The IIA's or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Fraud Podcast: Too Close to the Sun
04/01/2025
Fraud Podcast: Too Close to the Sun
All Things Internal Audit: Fraud Podcast"Too Close to the Sun" Listen to The IIA’s new Fraud Podcast brought to you by . The Fraud Podcast provides fictionalized accounts of real-world frauds featured in Internal Auditor magazine’s Fraud department. In this episode, Chief Audit Executive Robert Soar investigates Summit HVAC’s disastrous acquisition of Tan Solar. Rushed due diligence had missed unpermitted installations, deceptive sales tactics, and mounting legal troubles. Soar uncovers critical oversights, highlighting internal auditors’ role in preventing costly missteps. IIA members can access the full article . Interested in more fraud-related topics? Earn CPEs by registering for The IIA's , online and in-person. Chapters: Introduction to the Case (00:00:01) Part 1: Setting the World on Fire (00:00:23) Part 2: Burning Money (00:01:57) Part 3: Going Down in Flames (00:04:08) Resources Mentioned: Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Agentic AI in Internal Auditing
03/25/2025
Agentic AI in Internal Auditing
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, Warren Stippich speaks with Ethan Rojhani about the evolving role of agentic artificial intelligence in internal auditing. They discuss how agentic AI differs from traditional AI, its impact on risk assessment, and the skills internal auditors will need to adapt. They talk about the ethical considerations, automation of controls testing, and the future of AI-driven audit execution. Host: , CIA, CRMA, CPA, national managing principal — Advisory Services Quality and Risk, Grant Thornton Guest: , CPA, CFE, principal, Grant Thornton Key Points Introduction [00:00-00:00:06] What is Agentic AI? [00:07-01:34] Key Differences Between Traditional AI and Agentic AI [01:35-05:45] The Future of Agentic AI in Internal Auditing [05:46-09:51] Real-world Applications of Agentic AI in Internal Audit [09:52-12:25] Shifting from Compliance to Advisory Roles [12:26-19:13] Ethical and Risk Considerations [19:14-25:51] The Future of Internal Auditors in an AI-driven World [25:52-30:34] Advice for Auditors on Adopting AI [30:35-33:02] Final Thoughts [33:03-36:04] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit or channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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2025 North American Pulse Report
03/18/2025
2025 North American Pulse Report
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Deborah Poulalion and Andy Cook break down the . They discuss emerging trends, challenges, and opportunities for internal auditors, covering issues like strategy, funding, and artificial intelligence. The 2025 North American Pulse of Internal Audit report is sponsored by AuditBoard. The public consultation for the is open! Review the draft and share your feedback by April 20, 2025. Visit this to access the public consultation draft to have your say! Host: , senior manager, Research & Insights, The IIA Guests: , CIA, director, Professional Guidance – Financial Services, The IIA Key Points: Introduction (00:00-00:09) The North American Pulse of Internal Audit report (00:10-00:31) The impact of strategy and funding on internal audit (00:32-05:15) The shift toward advisory services (05:16-08:41) Technology risks and cybersecurity challenges (08:42-10:45) The growing importance of data analytics (10:46-13:31) The role of generative artificial Intelligence in internal audit (13:32-16:57) Expanding responsibilities of chief audit executives (16:58-19:10) Audit planning and resource allocation (19:11-22:36) Gender trends in internal audit leadership (22:37-24:10) Remote work trends in internal audit (24:11-28:41) The Global Internal Audit Standards and available resources (28:42-29:40) Final thoughts and closing remarks (29:41-30:25) The IIA Related Content: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit The IIA's or channel for related topics and more. Resources Mentioned: Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Advisory Work: How to Consult
03/04/2025
Advisory Work: How to Consult
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Mike Levy talks with Mike Jacka about the growing role of advisory services in internal auditing. They discuss how today’s internal auditors are offering strategic insights that go beyond assurance work. They also cover how to balance objectivity with advisory work, how to fit advisory into audit planning, and how to show the value of these services. Host: , CIA, CRMA, chief executive officer and managing principal, Cherry Hill Advisory Guests: , CIA, CPA, CPCU, CLU, chief creative pilot at Flying Pig Audit, Consulting and Training Solutions Key Points: Introduction [00:00-00:06] The role of advisory services in internal audit [00:07-00:27] Balancing objectivity with advisory work [00:28-02:06] Early engagement and its impact on risk management [02:07-04:49] Real-world example: social media consulting [04:50-05:56] Advisory services in small vs. large internal audit functions [05:57-07:06] Pre-implementation reviews as a key advisory opportunity [07:07-09:32] Addressing the fear of losing objectivity in advisory work [09:33-10:45] Demonstrating advisory value to audit committees [10:46-14:08] Using assurance work to identify advisory opportunities [14:09-17:02] Developing skill sets for effective advisory work [17:03-19:03] The impact of strong relationships and trust in internal audit [19:04-22:41] How the Global Internal Audit Standards support advisory services [22:42-26:06] Fostering an advisory mindset within audit teams [26:07-28:18] Strategies for internal auditors to enhance their influence [28:19-30:37] Final thoughts and advice for internal auditors [30:38-32:00] The IIA Related Content: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit The IIA's or channel for related topics and more. Resources Mentioned: Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Identity & Access Management
02/18/2025
Identity & Access Management
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, Bill Truett talks with Nick Lasenko about the critical role of identity and access management in today’s organizations. They discuss common risks, best practices, and the impact of AI on identity and access management. The conversation also covers frameworks, regulatory requirements, and real-world use cases. Host: , CIA, CISA, senior manager, Standards & Professional Guidance, IT, The IIA Guest: , CISA, CISSP, cybersecurity, privacy, and risk management practitioner Key Points Introduction [00:00-00:00:07] Overview of identity and access management [00:00:08-00:00:31] The financial impact of data breaches [00:00:32-00:01:26] Challenges in detecting and responding to security incidents [00:01:27-00:02:26] Common identity and access management risks for auditors [00:02:27-00:03:26] Weak governance and its implications [00:03:27-00:04:26] Siloed organizations and identity and access management complexities [00:04:27-00:05:26] Regulatory frameworks and standards [00:05:27-00:07:26] Identity and access management controls and data governance [00:07:27-00:09:26] Real-world use cases and security incidents [00:09:27-00:11:26] Horror stories and lessons learned in identity and access management [00:11:27-00:13:26] Best practices for managing user access reviews [00:13:27-00:16:26] Continuous authentication and its challenges [00:16:27-00:18:26] Privileged access management and audit considerations [00:18:27-00:21:26] The impact of AI and machine learning on identity and access management [00:21:27-00:23:26] Final thoughts on strengthening identity and access management controls [00:23:27-00:25:26] Closing remarks [00:25:27-00:31:43] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Resources Mentioned Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Fraud Analytics in Investigations
02/11/2025
Fraud Analytics in Investigations
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this episode, Ernest Anunciacion and Tom Keaton discuss the evolving role of fraud analytics in internal auditing. They cover how data analytics and AI can improve fraud detection and prevention, along with the challenges and practical strategies for success. Host: , CIA, head of product marketing, MindBridge Guest: , CIA, CRMA, CFE, CISA, director of Internal Audit, Crown Castle Key Points Introduction [00:00-00:00:06] Ernest’s background [00:00:07-00:00:54] Tom’s background [00:00:55-00:01:50] Impact of data analytics and AI on fraud detection [00:01:51-00:04:27] Challenges in implementing data analytics in internal audit [00:04:28-00:07:06] Using data analytics for fraud investigation [00:07:07-00:09:32] Predictive analytics and identifying fraud trends [00:09:33-00:12:06] Continuous monitoring vs. early warning dashboards [00:12:07-00:15:45] Skills required for fraud analytics [00:15:46-00:19:03] Role of AI in fraud investigations [00:19:04-00:24:04] Future of AI in internal audit [00:24:05-00:25:27] Interesting fraud investigation stories [00:25:28-00:29:00] Closing remarks [00:29:01-00:30:03] The IIA Related Content Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Resources Mentioned Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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Fraud Podcast: Frankenstein's Roadster
02/04/2025
Fraud Podcast: Frankenstein's Roadster
All Things Internal Audit: Fraud Podcast"Frankenstein's Roadster" Listen to The IIA’s new Fraud Podcast brought to you by . The Fraud Podcast provides fictionalized accounts of real-world frauds featured in Internal Auditor magazine’s Fraud department. In this episode, Chief Audit Executive Frank Harley investigates a sophisticated synthetic fraud scheme at Speed Bird Automotive. The fraudster, posing as Sheila Jackson, exploited weak identity verification controls to purchase a luxury Mercedes SL Roadster. Harley's investigation reveals the dealership's vulnerabilities and highlights the critical role of internal auditors in detecting and preventing such fraud. Don't miss "Frankenstein's Roadster." IIA members can access the full article and bonus content . Interested in more fraud-related topics? Earn 6.6 CPEs by registering for The IIA's , scheduled for February 20, 2025. Chapters: Introduction to the Case (00:00:01) Part 1: The Mysterious Customer (00:00:22) Part 2: Cracks in the Controls (00:02:02) Part 3: Fortifying the System (00:04:08 Resources Mentioned: Follow All Things Internal Audit:
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