Fierce Conversations with Toby

Here, we can talk about the hard things. In fact, we must. Welcome to 'Fierce Conversations with Toby,' where candid and impactful discussions become the norm. Join Toby Dorr, a fearless advocate for heartfelt and powerful intensity, as she tackles uncomfortable topics, encourages taking bold risks, and embraces the challenges of life. These episodes provide emotional preparedness for life's toughest moments, helping you find strength in vulnerability and the growth that comes from defying the ordinary. Join Toby and her guests as they share their stories, validate their passions, and inspire you to make a difference in your community. Get ready for captivating episodes that encourage you to break free from the confines of everyday life. To connect more with Toby and support this podcast, head to our Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/fierceconversations. All support tiers include access to Toby’s private community on Facebook and a downloadable gratitude journal created by Toby. Most importantly, ten percent of all your support through Patreon goes to donating books to incarcerated women, a passion project led by Toby. Head to https://linktr.ee/tobydorrbooks to find all of Toby’s books and audiobooks, including her bestselling true crime and emotionally charged memoir, Living With Conviction: Unexpected Sisterhood, Healing, and Redemption in the Wake of Life-Altering Choices, The Unleashed Series, and her book of poetry You are Not Your Worst Mistake: Poems from Prison. Find out more about Toby and learn how to book her to speak at your event at https://tobydorr.com/speaker/. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to https://tobydorr.com/theme-song/ Disclaimer: https://gracepointmatrix.com/terms-and-conditions/

One Little Pearl with Judy Helm Wright 05/14/2024

One Little Pearl with Judy Helm Wright The symbol of the artichoke has great meaning for Judy in her teaching and writing. As she works with families, she sees that frequently only the outer edges are exposed, which can be prickly and sometimes bitter to the taste. But, as you expose the artichoke - and people - to warmth, caring, and time, gradually the leaves begin to open and expose the real treasure–the heart. Judy has written more than 20 books, and hundreds of articles and speaks internationally on family, parenting, and relationship issues, including communication, encouragement, and end-of-life. Some of our fierce topics today: [05:30] My main passion has always been gathering stories. One of the things we found with the Montana Storykeepers is that when we allowed someone to tell their story, an end-of-life story, their pain went down. Their transition was so much easier, and I do think that people don't fear death, they fear being forgotten. [07:37] My book is not how to write a memoir, but why you should and helping you narrow down into that particular pearl on a strand pearls. So you don’t get overwhelmed by the whole necklace. [11:34] So my favorite color is red, and it's very powerful and a little story … When my mom was in a hospice unit, assisted living, I would wear bright red lipstick and I would always kiss her on her forehead. So, every CNA, every doctor, every cleaner that came in thought, “Oh, she is well loved. Somebody's in here. I better take good care of her.” [15:43] I was walking to the mailbox with my 15-year-old, he's now 40. And he started telling me something and I said, “Andy, stop. I have listened to problems all day long. Go for a walk”. And he touched my arm, which in our family is a signal. ‘This is important to me’. He said, “Who do you want me to tell my problems to?” And I went in the next day and quit. About Judy Helm Wright: Judy is a life educator, family coach, and keynote speaker who has written more than 20 books, hundreds of articles and speaks internationally on family, parenting and relationship issues, including communication, encouragement, and end of life. She also focuses on personal issues like anxiety, depression, confidence, and self-esteem and works with many small and large organizations–from Head Start to child care resource centers. Judy is a certified Pet Grief Coach who takes pride in her work with Animal Human Connection. She has written extensively on the topic of grieving and offers guidance, counseling, and communal sharing for many grief clients. Artichoke Press is not Judy’s only self-starter project. Judy has owned and managed numerous small businesses. She and her husband Dwain, alongside their six children and foster kids, worked family businesses in order to teach them Responsibility, Respect & Resiliency. Links mentioned in this episode: Judy Helm Wright: Judy’s Book: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/31075253

Focusing on the Next Best Step with Charli Hoffman 04/30/2024

Focusing on the Next Best Step with Charli Hoffman “It isn't that I had it all figured out, it's that I just focused on the next right step.” - Charli Hoffman, CEO of Time Hackers Unite, Founder of Sparkle Warriors Book Club, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [04:58] At 13, I came home from school one day and my mom had put all of my stuff in garbage bags on the porch and locked the house and told me I didn't live there anymore. [06:39] Books were my salvation. [07:49] I was in so many unsafe situations, but I could make someone laugh. [10:11] There's great value in putting yourself in situations where you're not the smartest person in the room. [20:09] It isn't that I had it all figured out, it's that I just focused on the next right step, just the next right step… About Charli Hoffman: “I’m a Clarity Coach & Meditation Teacher as well as a survivor of sex trafficking, homelessness, child abuse, and domestic violence. I’m also an adoptee and suicide survivor living with cPTSD, anxiety, chronic illness & ADHD. I teach people about designing a life where they can thrive no matter their trauma, capacity, and background.” Charli (they/them) is a non-binary queer Clarity Coach, Meditation Teacher, Speaker and International Book Club Host. They are the CEO of Time Hackers Unite, a community of humans committed to exploring their relationships with our only nonrenewable resource: TIME, and the Founder of Sparkle Warriors Book Club which supports over 500 humans on their personal growth journeys. They have reached over 250,000 people on TikTok teaching tips to navigate humanity while healing from chronic stress and trauma. They have an intuitive gift for asking questions; value psychological safety and personal integrity; and help ambitious humans to get clear and confident in their voice & direction so they can bring their dreams to life. Charli's goal is to help to eradicate hunger & homelessness through the education and empowerment of their fellow humans and in the creation of a life skills university. Links mentioned in this episode: Charli Hoffman: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/30648838

The Age of Invisibility with Susan J. Godwin 04/16/2024

The Age of Invisibility with Susan J. Godwin “And the point is, you can do it. You have more strength than you think you do. You can go through these tough situations. You move through that adversity, and you move through those struggles. And you keep going.” Susan J. Godwin, fervent educator, writer, freelance artist, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [03:28] It shouldn't be called breaking up, because that implies a quick break. It's more like a taffy pull. [04:50] I discovered a female court of writers in the late 17th century. [09:31] Crazy David was my boyfriend who faked his own death and then showed up at my house in the middle of the night a couple weeks later. [13:22] I was cocktail waitressing in LA at the world-famous Palomino Club and I waited on Manuel (designer to the stars) and we fell in love and got married and had a baby. [17:19] But it felt if I didn’t leave him I would get cancer and die – it was such a toxic unhealthy moment. Susan Godwin is a fervent educator, writer, and freelance artist whose world has always been steeped in books, from Harold and the Purple Crayon; she couldn’t resist drawing on her bedroom wall, no matter how many reprimands; to her first job as a library book mender in her Shaker Heights High School basement to teaching English at the prestigious University School of Nashville. A former Oxford scholar, Godwin has received writing awards from the University of Michigan, Middle Tennessee State University, and Bread Loaf School of English. Though writing is her true passion, she is also a visual artist working primarily in oils and pastels. Her home is outside of Nashville, in Dickson, TN, on the banks of a winding Tennessee river, in a hayloft renovated by her sweet, sexy husband, Tony; with help from their rotty, Roady! Links mentioned in this episode: Susan J. Godwin: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/30648718

Stories that Matter with Pat Black-Gould 04/02/2024

Stories that Matter with Pat Black-Gould “And the point is, you can do it. You have more strength than you think you do. You can go through these tough situations. You move through that adversity, and you move through those struggles. And you keep going.” - Pat Black-Gould, Ph.D., clinical psychologist award-winning children’s book author, fiction author, playwright, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [09:19] The Paperclip project, is a teacher’s desire to show her students just how big a number is. [11:43] Turning a children’s book into a ballet performance… [13:04] Creating a staged production with a dramatic reading of the book, an artistic collage, music and dance. [14:42] Pat discusses her work as a prison psychologist and discusses the problems faced by those who never had a mentor figure to look up to. About Pat Black-Gould, Ph.d: Pat Black-Gould, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and an award-winning children’s book author, fiction author, and playwright. Her children’s book The Crystal Beads, Lalka’s Journey, tells the story of a hidden child of the Holocaust. The book is the recipient of the Moonbeam Children’s Book Award, the Northern Lights Book Award, and the Vinnie Ream Award. Pat is currently turning her book into a stage performance featuring dance and music composed specifically for her work. Pat and co-author Steve Hardiman will publish their first novel in 2024. All The Broken Angels is a coming-of-age story set during the Vietnam War era. As a psychologist, Pat has worked on an inpatient Deaf unit and, along with co-author Dr. Neil Glickman, published in the field of mental health and Cultural Deafness. Pat has also worked as a neuropsychologist and a forensic psychologist in an inpatient forensic unit and at a men’s state correctional prison, working primarily with maximum security level inmates. In addition, Pat worked for the Veteran’s Administration with a special focus on Vietnam Veterans. She was also the coordinator for the LGBTQ+ veteran population. In her early career, Pat was a director and playwright in professional theater and ran a summer stock theater company and a murder mystery theater company. Links mentioned in this episode: Pat Black-Gould: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/30272533

I Could Hear Their Voices... Speaking out of the Darkness with Jean Trounstine 03/19/2024

I Could Hear Their Voices... Speaking out of the Darkness with Jean Trounstine “The women of Framingham (Prison) sought a way out and their struggles gave them dignity. I could hear their voices speaking out of the darkness.” - Jean Trounstine, author, activist, professor emerita at Middlesex Community College in Lowell, Massachusetts, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [02:57] I began working with people in prison and, it changed me, it turned me into a prison activist, and it turned me into a writer. [04:50] If my students tackled Shakespeare, a writer they thought beyond reach, they would also be learning to take on what was most difficult in life. [30:33] My new book is called Mother Love and it's a book of short stories about ten different women whose child killed someone. [38:35] Poetry comes to you when you need to say something that comes so deep from the heart that you can't say it unless you do it in a poem. More about Jean Trounstine and her work: Jean Trounstine I prefer to talk about how I became an activist, working in a prison, writing books to change things. I have written 6 and write currently as well for the Boston Institute for Nonprofit Journalism. Shakespeare Behind Bars I believed that if my students tackled Shakespeare, a writer they thought beyond reach, they would also be learning to take on what was most difficult in life. The women yearned for change and growth. Eventually the program took on a philosophy: art has the power to redeem lives. I came to realize that most women in prison are not dangerous. What characterizes them more than anything else is their heartache. Instead of frightening me they seemed lost, with tragic lives. I knew nothing of the fellowship that exists in prison. Women inmates seek relationships, thrive on it. It is this prison community that sustains women who do time. It is this community that taught me to value the prisoner’s lives, to like and respect them, and to understand that they are more than news stories tucked away on a back page in our local papers. While it is true that prison is a repressive environment, the one who offers hope in the classroom has the potential to effect change. The women of Framingham sought a way out, and their struggles gave them dignity. I could hear their voices… speaking out of the darkness. Boy With a Knife The United States was a county that set controversial boundaries where childhood ended and adulthood began in terms of criminal responsibility. Until 2005, the US was the only nation that still sanctioned the death penalty for youth. These boys and girls, barely having earned their driver’s license, too young to vote, too young to legally buy alcohol or cigarettes, are locked away with adult men and women. This in spite of the fact that 90 percent of juveniles, even those convicted of murder, grow out of criminal behavior as they age. Putting young people in state prisons essentially silences them. Sending juveniles to adult prisons doesn’t make us safer. The international standard for incarceration of juveniles for the most serious crimes is ten or fifteen years prior to parole eligibility. Links mentioned in this episode: Jean Trounstine: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/30263388

I Am Enough with Tanaine Jenkins 03/05/2024

I Am Enough with Tanaine Jenkins “For eight years, I was ashamed of my story. I learned that my story is freeing. Other people need to know that in telling their own story you can take your power back. And it takes away the power of those who are holding your story against you. Don't be the person others believe you should be just because you're a felon. I am enough. And so are you.” - Tanaine Jenkins, best-selling author, TedX Speaker, Director of The Florida Safety Coalition, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [03:49] Sentences don’t end when you get out of prison… [08:43] I believed what society said about me. But when you change your mindset, everything changes. [10:59] A person that fails to plan, plans to fail. [13:52] The children of incarcerated parents need just as much help as their parents do. [18:01] I help others through the process so they never have to feel like they are not enough. About Tanaine Jenkins: After giving 10 years of her life to the Florida Department of Corrections, Tanaine Jenkins has dedicated her voice to shining a light on the Second Sentence that Returning Citizens face once they are released from confinement. Tanaine is the best-selling author of From Prison to President: 7 Ways to Succeed in Your Second Chance, the President of Everything I Am LLC, the CEO of The Loc’d Line, a member of the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition Policy Council, and a 2022 TEDx Jacksonville speaker. She has also been featured in Forbes, on the CW Channel and PBS. Through her company, Everything I Am, Tanaine has helped hundreds of returning citizens and justice involved individuals find their 'Why' and learn the power of self-forgiveness. Links mentioned in this episode: Tanaine Jenkins: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/30025638

Filling a Niche with Hannah Rumsey 02/20/2024

Filling a Niche with Hannah Rumsey “I feel like it's gotten to the point where we're so scared of crossing a boundary that we just say nothing.” - Hannah Rumsey, developmental editor & writing coach for Sara Connell Coaching, Inc., creator and host of the podcast “Friends Missing Friends”, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby. Hannah Rumsey talks with those who have experienced the death of friends, grief experts, and more, to normalize the complex grief of losing a friend in a world that often doesn’t understand. “I lost a dear friend several years ago. Now, my goal is to create a loving community of people who know what it’s like to grieve a friend. It’s a specific, unique type of loss, and I think it’s important that we come together and talk about it. If you’re grieving or missing a friend, I’m here for you. I understand.” About Hannah Rumsey: Hannah studied Creative Writing at VCU and Northwestern University and has a Certificate in Editing from the University of Washington. In her spare time, she loves podcasting, watching movies (and complaining about how the book was better), filmmaking, and all things comedy. She lives in Chicago, IL. Some of our fierce topics today: [05:52] Hannah’s podcast is about the beautiful relationship between friends. [09:04 ]Learn how her friend composed her podcast theme song. [13:59] None of us can avoid death. It's just beautiful that you provide an outlet for such a difficult and ignored topic. Nobody wants to talk about death, but when I listen to your podcast, I hear beautiful stories that inspire me. Links mentioned in this episode: Hannah Rumsey ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/29842893

Together We Can with Natasha Dasher 02/06/2024

The Importance of Contradiction with Brittany Means 01/23/2024

The Importance of Contradiction with Brittany Means Find all interviews at Transcripts available at In this episode, Brittany Means discusses her new memoir, Hell If We Don’t Change Our Ways. About Brittany Means: Brittany Means is a writer and editor living in Albuquerque, NM. A graduate of Iowa's MFA Nonfiction Writing Program, Means has worked with Inara Verzemnieks and Kiese Laymon. She has received several awards for her work, including the Magdalena Award, the Herodotus Award, and the Grace Paley Fellowship at Under the Volcano. Notes from Toby: I have long been a fan of Jeannette Walls. Her memoir Glass Castle gave me permission to tell my own crazy story. Today, I’m lucky enough to live within an hour’s drive of Jeannette and so I’ve been able to connect with her at several book events. A few months ago, Jeannette posted on Facebook a photo of her with a young college student, and shared the story that many years ago Jeannette was speaking at a college when a girl came up to her for a photo and shared that she wanted to be an author also. Today, that woman, Brittany Means, just published an amazing memoir. Jeannette reached out to me and said, “Toby, I think Brittany could be one of your fierce women!” I immediately scheduled her interview. Of course, I also bought the memoir – and you should too! Another powerful life story by a talented woman author! Key Topics and Time Stamps: [6:57] What did putting your story out into the world feel like? [10:24] Who has been your most important mentor? [18:58] Brittany talks about the adjustment from being homeless to being a college student. Links: If you want to be empowered in your life, listen to Brittany! Support Fierce Conversations with Toby: Toby Dorr: Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by , a division of . Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/29432388

Find Your Calling with Gina Hanna 12/26/2023

Discovering Self with Kimberly Braun 12/12/2023

Discovering Self with Kimberly Braun When we know the hard choice is right, in a way, it's not hard because we can't not do it. - Kimberly Braun, TEDx speaker, bestselling author, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Join us as Kimberly Braun shares her extraordinary life journey with us. Kimberly discusses her challenging decision to join a monastery at the age of 24, becoming a cloistered nun, and the emotional difficulty of leaving the monastery after ten and a half years. She recounts a profound spiritual experience that led her to question her vows, ultimately receiving permission from the Pope to leave. Kimberly also reflects on the transition back to the secular world, the overwhelming noise and technological changes, and the emotional challenges of reintegrating with her family. Together, we will learn about the transformative power of healing. Some of our fierce topics today: [00:05] Introduction [1:57] Joining the Monastery Kimberly discusses the hardest decision she ever had to make, which was joining the monastery at the age of 24. [06:59] Leaving the Monastery and Inner Illumination Kimberly shares the moment of inner illumination in her hermitage in August of the year 2000, leading to her decision to leave the monastery after 10 and a half years. [20:58] Changes in Childhood and Parental Busyness Reflecting on the differences in childhood experiences, emphasizing a shift in parental availability and busyness. [23:10] Mentors and Spiritual Exploration Kimberly’s perspective on mentorship, including finding wisdom in various people and spiritual experiences. [24:15] - Discovering Self Summit Introduction to Kimberly Braun's online summit, "Discovering Self," with details about the summit's format, contributors, and the broad theme of self-discovery applicable to all individuals. [33:06] - Overcoming Challenges and Kimberly’s new book Miracles in the Naked Light. About Kimberly Braun: Kimberly Braun, impelled from earliest childhood experiences, has spent over a decade as a monastic nun exploring the path of Presence. With a master’s in theology, she lives to inspire others to connect to, and live from, Divine Love at their center. She is a TEDx speaker and former meditation faculty at the renowned Omega Institute. Kimberly’s communication skills ignite transformation on all levels serving others to lives of greater freedom and joy. Kimberly also has three books currently in publication, Love Calls: Insights of a Former Carmelite Nun, Beloved Found: Poems from the Source, and her latest release Miracles in the Naked Light: The Extraordinary Life in Every Moment. Curious by nature, deeper questions have been a big part of Kimberly's life from those moments forward. And these deeper questions lead her presently to believe that Source/Spirit/Life Force are within our very center (figuratively.) Yes, in this LOVE, people live and move and have their being. Links mentioned in this episode: Kimberly Braun and Toby Dorr will both be speaking at the (hosted by Kimberly), happening virtually Friday January 5th through Sunday January 7th. Find out more and get your tickets Kimberly Braun: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/28930123

Thriving Beyond Cancer with Tekquiree Spencer 11/28/2023

Thriving Beyond Cancer with Tekquiree Spencer Trigger warning/disclaimer: This episode contains discussions about cancer, including personal experiences and journeys. The content may be emotionally intense and could be triggering for individuals who have had personal experiences with cancer or are sensitive to health-related topics. If you find these discussions distressing, it may be advisable to skip this episode or listen with caution. Remember to prioritize your mental and emotional well-being. “Even before my oncologist told me “You don't have cancer anymore”, I had to learn how to thrive. Once I focused on doing things that I love to do, and reading, and being in the sun, and living, and smiling, and laughing... a month and a half, two months later, my doctor's like, 'There's nothing there.’” - Tekquiree Spencer, cancer thriver, actress, filmmaker, host and creator of the Thrive Beyond Cancer Summit, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [00:00] Introduction: Tekquiree Spencer discusses her background, the Thrive Beyond Cancer Summit, and her work as a wellness advocate. [02:11] A Difficult Decision: The hardest decision Tekquiree had to make, related to her cancer diagnosis and treatment choices. [04:54] Impact of Cancer Diagnosis: Being diagnosed with stage 4 inflammatory breast cancer, including Tekquiree’s emotional experiences and challenges. [14:21] Trauma Leading to Positive Change: Tekquiree reflects on her cancer diagnosis as a traumatic event that led to positive change, shaping her perspective on life, purpose, and the importance of community support. [19:41] The Birth of a Healer: Tekquiree on her son Jace was born three weeks after her Stage IV Inflammatory Breast Cancer diagnosis and discussing the special significance of his name, which means "healer." [21:45] Brand and Programs: The brands of Tekquiree, including the nonprofit Thrive Beyond Cancer, her company Thrive by Tekquiree, and her role as a wellness advocate. [26:04] Life after Cancer: The impact of cancer on Tekquiree’s life and the importance of living fully, being less afraid, and embracing the call to thrive. About Tekquiree Spencer: Tekquiree Spencer, actress, filmmaker, wellness coach, advocate, host and creator of the Thrive Beyond Cancer Summit, and a cancer thriver, faced a pivotal moment in life at the age of 34. Pregnant with her son Jace, whose name signifies healer, she received a Stage IV Inflammatory Breast Cancer diagnosis. Miraculously, by the grace of God, she not only welcomed a healthy baby boy but also achieved healing four months later. Tekquiree attributes her recovery to a combination of faith in God, unwavering community support, and a comprehensive approach that merged holistic and conventional medicine. For those facing their own struggles, Tekquiree extends a comforting message: you are not alone. Someone has traversed a similar path before you, ready to provide guidance. There exists a supportive community eager to embrace, love, inspire, and instill hope. Regardless of the burdens one carries—be it feelings of isolation, fatigue, unheard voices, or overwhelming fear—every moment is a precious gift. Links mentioned in this episode: Tekquiree Spencer: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/28695483

The Ultimate Gift with Geoff and Laura Spetter 11/14/2023

The Ultimate Gift with Geoff and Laura Spetter "The lost art of what's been going on is people have forgotten how to have a conversation and how to say, 'Can I help you?'" - Laura Spetter, 14-year Air Force veteran and today’s guest along with Geoff Spetter, a 21-year Army veteran, on “Fierce Conversations with Toby” In this episode of “Fierce Conversations with Toby,” we dive deep into the world of veterans' support with guests Geoff and Laura Spetter, both military veterans with compelling stories and a shared commitment to making a difference. Geoff reflects on his journey from being a forward observer for field artillery to transitioning into the IT world, and how it led him to co-host "The Veterans Show" on WCBM. Laura shares her passion for helping veterans navigate the complexities of the VA system. Together, they emphasize the significance of building a strong veteran community, bridging gaps in healthcare and employment opportunities, and inspiring individuals to join their mission of support. This heartfelt and informative conversation offers valuable insights into the challenges veterans face and the power of collaboration and compassion in improving their lives. Toby Dorr, our host and creator, is married to a Navy veteran, the step-mother of another Navy veteran, and the sister to a Marines and Army veteran. Happy Veteran's Day and thank you all for your service. “Fierce Conversations with Toby” proudly supports our veterans. Some of our fierce topics today: [00:00] Introduction. [04:03] The Veterans Show: Laura and Geoff shares insights into co-hosting "The Veterans Show" on WCBM, a platform for veterans to share their stories and experiences. [6:10] Challenges Faced by Veterans: veterans' struggle with navigating VA systems, the sharing of their experiences, the need for greater awareness of their plight, and their difficulties reintegrating into society. [09:13] The Struggle for Veterans' Healthcare: touching on the unmet expectations of veterans regarding medical care after writing a "blank check" for their country, the complexities and challenges of the VA system, and the need for improved medical care without excessive bureaucracy and medication reliance. [19:35] Inconsistencies in Veterans' Benefits Across States: the lost art of human interaction in the digital age and the mission to create a community that makes a positive impact, with a whimsical mention of a bird-feeding habit. [26:38] The Power of Courage, Trust, and Fierce Conversations: the power of words and meaningful conversations, emphasizing the importance of addressing difficult topics openly and honestly [28:32] Outro. About Laura and Geoff Spetter: Laura, an Air Force veteran, served for 14 years as a personalist, excelling in regulations and assisting others. Geoff, a U.S. Army veteran, served for nearly 21 years, with the first seven years as a forward observer for field artillery. He later transitioned to an IT career in 2003 after losing his hearing. Both share a strong connection to the military and its importance in their lives. You can hear Geoff and Laura every Saturday at 1800 – 1900/6 PM – 7 PM (Eastern) as they host “The Veteran's Show” on Laura and Geoff’s mission is to end veteran suicide. Links mentioned in this episode: Geoff and Laura Spetter: Call-In Line for “The Veteran’s Show”: 800-922-6680 ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/28511555

Crossing Cultural Boundaries with Leslie Ahmadi 10/31/2023

Crossing Cultural Boundaries with Leslie Ahmadi “A road can always be found between two hearts.” - Leslie Ahmadi, language coach, cross-cultural/diversity consultant, author of the upcoming book Road Between Two Hearts: A Black American Bride Discovers Iran, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [00:05] Introduction to the Podcast: Understanding how different cultures, races, and countries can come together to create an extended family. [01:05] Discussing Favorite Color: Toby and Leslie discuss Leslie's favorite color, brown, and how it became her favorite due to it complementing her complexion. [08:24] Leslie's Memoir: Leslie talks about her upcoming memoir titled Road Between Two Hearts: A Black American Bride Discovers Iran. [21:11] Returning to the USA: Leslie shares her difficult decision to return to the United States from Iran and how it impacted her family, including her husband and children. [26:05] Persian Culture: not being aware of certain customs and how a lack of awareness can lead to misunderstandings. [27:21] Living with Extended Family: Leslie’s experience of living in Iran and staying with her husband's family before moving into their own house. [28:44] Living in a Multi-Generational Family: Toby and Leslie discuss their shared experience of living in multi-generational families. [30:05] Leslie Ahmadi Offers Advice on Cross-Cultural Relationships: the importance of understanding one's own values and recognizing cultural differences. About Leslie Ahmadi: Long before she could speak another language or have a sophisticated discussion on “cross-cultural relations,” Leslie Powell, an African American child from Connecticut, was fascinated by the glimpses of other worlds surrounding her. By the time she was four, she had staged her first imaginary flamenco dance, mastered half a dozen imaginary foreign languages, and traveled to countless made-up foreign lands. Her favorite recording artist was Harry Belafonte, known for his colorful collection of folk songs from across the world. She studied Latin and Spanish in school, traveled to Italy, Spain, and Mexico in her secondary and post-secondary years, and embarked on a career as a language instructor of Spanish and English as a Second Language. While pursuing a Ph. D. in foreign language and culture education at The Ohio State University (1987), she met her future husband Mahmoud, a doctoral student in agronomy and gentleman from Iran who would eventually redirect her path from “established Spanish professor in America” to “adventurer in the Middle East.” After four years of living and working with him as an English language professor and coach in Iran, Leslie’s own cultural experience had profoundly affected her. She realized then that, upon her family’s return to the States, she would no longer be content with teaching language alone. Instead, she would actively pursue the career of a cross-cultural educator, trainer and consultant. She also knew that a book of her cross-cultural adventures was already brewing inside her. After being hired as “Director of Spanish for the Professions” at her alma mater The Ohio State University, her post led her to several other opportunities to present on cross-cultural issues both domestically and abroad. Links mentioned in this episode: Lesli Ahmadi: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/28391792

From Safe to Fierce: Fierce Conversations with Toby Podcast Trailer 10/18/2023

From Safe to Fierce: Fierce Conversations with Toby Podcast Trailer “I think playing it safe is extremely boring and uninspiring. Embrace the hard parts of your life story. Break free from the prison in which you may find yourself confined. We provide an opportunity for those who are making a difference in the world and doing the hard things to share their stories with others.” - Toby Dorr, bestselling author, inspirational speaker, and the host of Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [00:05] - "The Origin of 'Fierce': The Power of Words" - Discussing how the word "fierce" became the inspiration for the podcast, the significance of collecting impactful words, and the positive connotations of the word "fierce." [02:05] - "Conversations That Matter: Tackling Uncomfortable Topics" - Exploring the importance of addressing challenging and uncomfortable subjects, and how these discussions can help prepare individuals for difficult situations. [04:05] - "From Playing It Safe to Taking Risks" - Delving into the journey from a life of caution to embracing risks and the importance of pushing one's boundaries to lead a fulfilling life. [05:05] - "Fierce Conversations with Toby: A Welcome Message" - An introduction to the podcast, highlighting its mission to showcase individuals making a difference and encourage listeners to embrace the hard parts of their life stories. About Your Host, Toby Dorr: Toby Dorr dared the unthinkable. She liberated a handsome younger man, a convicted murderer, from Lansing Correctional Facility. Since completing her time in Federal Prison, Toby has achieved two Master's degrees and rebuilt a broken life. Through her memoir, Living With Conviction, you will feel all the heart-pounding, tear-jerking, heartbreaking, eye-opening experiences that touch the most primal human need, the need to be significant. A fascinating prison tale, through the lens of love, inspires change. Continuing the movement, The Unleashed Series, implores women through twelve-week programs to escape what confines them. Finally, a poetry volume, You Are Not Your Worst Mistake, features poems from Toby's prison journals. Featured in the Wall Street Journal, Anderson Cooper, Brooke Baldwin, Inside Edition, The Atlantic, and Dateline, Toby is a featured guest on podcasts, including the nationally-ranked Criminal podcast. A screenplay is in the works. A Lifetime movie, Jailbreak Lovers, was released in July of 2022. Escape your prison! Learn more about Toby: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/26323485

Creating a Healthy Community with Marla Smith 10/17/2023

Creating a Healthy Community with Marla Smith “I have a weekly conversation with my mentees. We do once a month face to face. And it really makes a difference. People know that you care.” - Marla Smith, Christian care provider, clinical researcher, mentor for the Welcome Home Reentry Program and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Some of our fierce topics today: [00:05] Introduction to the podcast and guest Marla Smith. [02:17] Marla's early life crossroads and personal growth. [03:24] Marla's decision to pursue a master's degree in Christian counseling. [06:05] Marla's experience as a volunteer and being named Volunteer of the Year. [11:10] The challenges faced by women reentering society after incarceration. [17:14] The importance of successful reintegration into society. [17:33] Early support for individuals reentering society. [18:05] The role of mentoring and support programs in reentry. [19:20] Challenges faced by individuals upon release from prison. [21:05] The value of group meetings and peer support for formerly incarcerated women. [24:05] The "Fearfully and Wonderfully Made Ministry" and its mission to educate young girls about puberty and their bodies. [29:03] Outro to this episode. About Marla Smith: A mother and grandmother, Marla Smith also provides Christian Care and performs clinical research. As part of Catholic Charities’ Welcome Home Reentry Program Marla mentors previously incarcerated women. Additionally, through her Fearfully and Wonderfully Made ministry, Marla educates young girls about puberty with a special emphasis on their bodies as they prepare for menstruation. Links mentioned in this episode: Marla Smith: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/28250222

Keep Going! with Amanda and Lisa Plasse 10/03/2023

Keep Going! with Amanda and Lisa Plasse Content warning: This episode discusses the journey of one our guests to recovery with an eating disorder. While this episode, and all episodes of Fierce Conversations with Toby, are designed to facilitate healing for all, some listeners may be troubled by the subject matter. Everything happens for a reason. And five years from now, you'll look back and finally understand that very reason. It's not happening to you, it's happening for you. It will all be okay in the end. And if it's not okay now, then it's not the end." - Amanda Plasse, today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Lisa Plasse and her daughter, Amanda Plasse, open up about their journey through Amanda's mental health challenges, particularly her battle with an eating disorder. Lisa describes the rollercoaster of emotions and treatments Amanda went through over 18 months, leading to a transformative experience with dialectical behavior therapy (DBT). Amanda shares her future aspirations of graduating with a psychology degree, attending grad school for social work, and ultimately establishing a comprehensive treatment center to address multiple aspects of mental health in one place. Their conversation underscores the importance of open dialogue, reducing stigma, and holistic support systems, providing valuable insights for listeners facing similar challenges. Some of our fierce topics today: [00:00] Introduction to Amanda and Her Journey [07:15] Discussion of Amanda's Eating Disorder [12:20] Recognizing Signs of Mental Stress in Young Adults [15:50] Amanda's Decision to Share Her Story on Social Media [20:22] Amanda's Social Media Post [29:10] How Society Can Reduce the Stigma Surrounding Eating Disorders [29:18] Reducing Stigma Around Eating Disorders [35:10] Amanda's Future Goals About Amanda Plasse: Amanda Plasse is going to be a junior this fall at Montclair State University studying psychology. After graduation, she plans to continue onto grad school in order to become a therapist. Her ultimate goal is to eventually return back to school to receive her PhD in psychology and open up her own treatment center that treats various mental illnesses. Currently, she is a Crisis Counselor with the Crisis Text Line. She is also a Recovery Caseworker with the Red Cross, providing resources and speaking with clients who have recently experienced a natural disaster. Finally, she works at Illuminate ABA as a behavior technician working with children with autism. She has been diagnosed with multiple mental illnesses and has been to several treatment centers and hospitals herself. Her hope is that she can help as many people as she can who are struggling because she knows what it's like to truly live with a mental illness. About Lisa Plasse: Lisa Plasse is the owner, director, and flute and voice teacher of From the Top Music Studio in Midland Park, NJ, which offers instrumental and vocal lessons. In addition to her work at From the Top, she is also an applied vocal lessons instructor at Columbia University and has produced and directed many musicals, theater workshops, and concert performances. Lisa also composed and played the flute for the theme song for Fierce Conversations with Toby. Links mentioned in this episode: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/28142537

Beacon of Hope with Lisa Nordike 09/19/2023

Beacon of Hope with Lisa Nordike Contennt warning: This episode discusses death, including the death of a fellow inmate by execution because of the death penalty and the death of our guests husband to cancer. While this episode, and all episodes of Fierce Conversations with Toby, are designed to facilitate healing for all, some listeners may be troubled by the subject matter. “I would have never done the things I did when I got home. Never. If it weren't for what I had learned and the people I had met there [in prison].” - Lisa Nordike, today’s guest, former cellmate with Toby Dorr, and the real “George” from the bestselling memoir Some of our fierce topics today: [00:00] Introduction and Guest Introduction [03:02] Discussing Time Spent in Prison [07:16] Taking in Foster Children [10:20] Educational and Career Paths of Foster Children [13:11] Bonding and Friendships in Prison [14:38] Remembering Friends Who Passed Away [17:19] Lisa's Execution and Coping [18:05] Recalling Light Moments in Prison [21:12] Lisa's Philanthropic Efforts and Love for Kids [25:00] Outro About Lisa Nordike: Lisa was one of Toby's closest friends inside prison and was a major character in her memoir , where she was known as “George”. After Lisa served her prison sentence, she took in a dozen foster teenagers whose parents were incarcerated. Lisa is proof that it is possible to rebuild your life and even become a beacon of hope to others. Links mentioned in this episode: Lisa Nordike: Lisa does not have a public profile, but contact can be made through Toby at . ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/27987534

Healing Your Inner Child with Inner Child 09/05/2023

Healing Your Inner Child with Inner Child Content warning: This episode discusses the healing journey of Moira Dadd after experiencing childhood abandonment, stays in multiple orphanages, and the death of her mother by suicide. While this podcast is intended to facilitate healing and hold space for all, some listeners may be troubled by the subject matter. “I kept saying no to my inner critic. No, no. Thank you. Thank you so much for taking care of me. I don't need you anymore. I imagine tussling with them sometimes, but I'm a superhero now. No, no, no. Retire." - Moira Dadd, international bestselling author of the memoir and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby In this episode, Moira and Toby embark on a profound conversation that touches on the delicate process of healing your inner child. Join us as we explore the power of forgiveness, both to others and to self, and how it has the potential to reshape your world and free you from the chains of the past. Moira's journey is an inspiring testament to the transformation that becomes possible when we confront our inner wounds and learn to forgive. Some of our fierce topics today: [00:05] Introduction and Guest Introduction [01:06] Favorite Color and its Significance [02:02] Crossroads and Seeking Help [03:26] Early Life in Foster Homes and Orphanage [06:26] Importance of the Grieving Process [15:50] Moving from Doing to Being [21:57] Reprogramming Negative Childhood Experiences and Embracing Ones Inner Child [24:27] Fear of Failure and Fear of Success [28:14] Embracing the Concept of "I Am Enough". [31:53] Writing a Healing Memoir [34:16] Gaining Gifts from Challenging Childhood Experiences [35:56] Conclusion and Encouragement for Personal Growth About Moira Dadd Moira and her husband, Graham, a retired ordained Minister in the United Reformed Church, enjoy a busy and fulfilling life on the south coast of England. She has been blessed with three sons, two stepdaughters, their wonderful spouses and ten gorgeous grandchildren. Having suffered a profoundly painful and traumatic childhood through losing her mother to suicide in infancy, she spent several years in an orphanage followed by ten years with her sister in an abusive family before making her own way in the world, which she has indeed accomplished with aplomb! She is a trained Hypnotherapist and Master Practitioner of NLP and created a thriving private therapy practice which continues to this day. She gained her diploma in humanistic counselling in 2004, quickly followed by her certificate in education teaching diploma. She then embarked on her master’s degree in transpersonal arts and practice where she graduated with distinction in 2007. Her training continued in Sensorimotor Trauma Psychotherapy and Lifespan Integration. She has also been a volunteer facilitator of bereavement support groups for Cruse Bereavement for over ten years. Her therapeutic practices are beautifully complemented by her work as a funeral and wedding celebrant. She continues her journey of growth, healing, and service to others. Links mentioned in this episode: Moira Dadd: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/27799854

Defining Fierce Conversations with Toby Dorr and Mark Packard 08/22/2023

Defining Fierce Conversations with Toby Dorr and Mark Packard "Sometimes you can be significant by being insignificant... We all have it within us to make a difference. You don't have to be wealthy. You don't have to be famous. You don't have to have a title." - Toby Dorr, host of and the interviewee on today’s episode of Fierce Conversations with Toby Special behind-the-scenes episode! Join Toby Dorr, host of Fierce Conversations with Toby, and Mark Packard, producer of Fierce Conversations with Toby, as they dive deep into the inspiring stories that make their podcast shine. Discover what drives their passions and ignites their guests' stories. Let's uncover the heart behind the mic! Some of our fierce topics today: [00:00] Introduction to Mark Packard [01:02] Importance of Listener Perception in Podcast Production [01:51] Role of Music and Sound Mixing in Podcasts [02:07] Favorite Podcast Episodes [07:09] Defining "Fierce Conversations" [10:14] Book Discovery and Libraries [19:39] Audio Books and Changing Preferences [20:51] Embracing Risks and Playing It Safe [21:29] Speaking Up and Advocacy [24:15] Humanizing and Advocating for Prisoners [30:56] The Power of Difficult Conversations [43:01] Inspiring and Empowering Women [48:10] Outro About Mark Packard: As the director and producer of Number Three Productions, Mark is intent on building procedures and techniques that transcend the confines of traditional distribution models. With a pioneering spirit, he leads the charge in creating a new creator economy of shared resources, forever reshaping our landscape. Mark is always looking for an opportunity to amplify voices and disrupt the world. Recognized as a podcasting luminary, Mark has produced three captivating hiphop EPs, curated nine engaging podcasts, composed eight podcast theme songs, and brought nine enchanting audiobooks to life. His remarkable contributions have garnered acclaim, earning him consecutive nominations as Podcast Hero of the Year at the Publisher Podcast Awards, alongside esteemed creators from Marvel, Amazon, and Penguin Random House. Links mentioned in this episode: Mark Packard: Podcasts mentioned (links are for the YouTube episodes): Requesting books from your local library: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/27750243

Life After Loss with Ali Freeman 08/08/2023

Life After Loss with Ali Freeman Embracing Resilience: Ali Freeman's Inspiring Journey of Healing Through Art Content warning: This episode discusses the healing journey of Ali Freeman after the miscarriage of her daughter Morrison, as well as discussions of the loss of Toby’s daughter, Emily. While this podcast is intended to facilitate healing and hold space for all, some listeners may be troubled by the subject matter. “I think it's just believing in yourself. If something makes you feel good and makes you feel happy, then do it. Don't stop.” - Ali Freeman, inspirational artist and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby Embracing the complexity of love and the hardships of loss, Ali Freeman's journey reveals the raw emotions life can bring. For her, the creek has become a sanctuary of happiness. Each cracked glass piece she discovers serves as a poignant reminder of Morrison, the daughter she lost through miscarriage. The jagged edges of the glass mirror the pain and the void left in her heart even before meeting her daughter face to face. Yet, in the midst of brokenness, Ali's artistry weaves together these shattered fragments with other discarded pieces, giving birth to stunning creations. In the darkness, her art shines like a beacon of hope, illuminating the path to healing. A beautiful testament to resilience, these artworks become gentle reminders of the peace that overflows into joy, as the tapestry of life unfolds before our eyes. Some of our fierce topics today: [00:00] Introduction by Toby Dorr. [01:01] Toby asks Ali about her favorite color and what it says about her. [02:14] Ali shares her crossroads moment in 2017 when she experienced a miscarriage. [05:08] Ali talks about the difficulty and heartache of the miscarriage and how it led to a moment of introspection. [07:06] Toby and Ali discuss the emotional impact of miscarriage and the need for support from others who understand. [10:04] Toby talks about Ali's art and how it memorializes her daughter Morrison. [14:08] Toby asks Ali what she would tell other mothers experiencing miscarriage. [15:54] Ali describes the significance of working with broken glass and how it connects her with her daughter. [17:38] Toby shares her plan to use broken pottery pieces to create art, inspired by Ali's work. [19:49] Ali discusses her journey as an artist and the importance of believing in oneself. [22:26] Toby concludes the podcast. About Ali Freeman Hi, I'm Ali Freeman creator of Eclectic Ali Design. I moved to Columbia, Missouri about 10 years ago. My husband and I began taking weekly walks along the local creeks. I quickly fell in love with the peacefulness the creeks offered. With each trip, I began to grow quite a collection of beautiful, raw creek glass - pieces that had laid untouched for many years. One day, I was shown a rock portrait in a magazine and I instantly became inspired to create portraits of my own with my unique creek treasures. And thus...Eclectic Ali Design began. These handpicked pieces are lovingly designed into eclectic pieces of art. The materials I use range from creek glass, rocks, driftwood, recycled tumbled glass, pottery, Polish pottery and other artistic mediums. My promise is to add new life to the pieces that have been left behind. Hopefully my art will tell your story and bring happiness to your home. Links mentioned in this episode: Ali Freeman: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/27537738

Living Louder with Portia Louder 07/25/2023

Living Louder with Portia Louder Sisterhood Behind Bars: The Unbreakable Bonds of Women in Prison "Don't ever give up. Don't ever, ever, ever, give up. I could not see a life this beautiful when I was dealing with the legal process or even when I was a young single mother... whatever hardship you may be going through, it holds the seeds to the beautiful future, to the best version of yourself." - Portia Louder, author of the memoir “Living Louder”, trauma and addiction mentor, public speaker, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby. Some of our fierce topics today: [00:00] - Introduction to the podcast episode and guest, Portia Louder. [00:59] - Discussion about Portia's favorite color and what it tells about her. [1:58] - Crossroads in Portia's life that pushed her in a different direction: Portia's decision to change her life in prison and the empowerment she gained. [03:47] - Avoiding pain and facing it, the importance of self-awareness and reflection. [4:04] - Using time in prison productively and valuing personal growth. [7:48] - The cost of keeping secrets and the power of openly admitting mistakes. [11:32] - Portia's work in helping incarcerated women and writing content for prisons. [14:56] - Moving past denial and embracing personal growth and change. [17:31] Helping incarcerated individuals find their power and move past victimhood. [19:56] - Evaluating life after prison and finding fulfillment in personal growth and experiences. [22:54] - Discussing self-discovery and embracing one's true self. [25:00] - Understanding self-forgiveness as a journey. [26:02] - Examining the impact of mistakes on others and allowing them to express their pain. [27:08] - Highlighting the sisterhood and camaraderie experienced in women's prison. [30:54] - Addressing the challenges of reintegrating into society after prison. [33:24] - Encouraging resilience and embracing the potential for a better future. [34:27] Outro. About Portia Louder: Portia Louder photographed weddings for a while until an opportunity to flip real estate caught her attention. But then she somewhat naively committed mortgage fraud in 2011. Indicted, Portia spent four and a half years in federal prison. Today, she speaks openly about her mistakes and what it took to move past them. Portia gained a new perspective and currently teaches empowerment skills to at-risk youth, mentors women struggling with trauma and addiction, and writes and speaks about her experiences publicly. What a perfect trainwreck to discuss fiercely! Portia’s memoir, Living Louder, A Compassionate Journey Through Federal Prison, is an account of compassion, faith and enduring friendships discovered in federal prison. Links mentioned in this episode: By clicking on the links here, we may earn some additional revenue that directly supports this podcast. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. Portia Louder: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/27491868

Cultivating a Support Network with Woman, Rise! Authors 07/11/2023

Cultivating a Support Network with Woman, Rise! Authors From Zoom Calls to Lifelong Bonds: Unleashing the Power of Connection Content warning: Mentioning and brief discussion of the death of one of our guest’s 5-year-old son. While this podcast is intended to facilitate healing and hold space for all, some listeners may be troubled by the subject matter. “The six of us met when we were randomly assigned to an author pod, a space to encourage each other's writing journeys. We've never stopped. It's been two years now, and we've created a community that lifts each other up, encourages, and holds us accountable for our goals. But, more importantly, we've become sisters.” - Toby Dorr, host, on the creation and evolution of the Author Pod “Woman, Rise!” Join us on an extraordinary journey as six women tell the story of finding friendship, inspiration, and lasting bonds in a writing workshop. From virtual meetups to a getaway in Maine, their story is a testament to the transformative power of connection. Delve into the profound impact of their soul-binding support network and discover how these remarkable relationships can enrich your own life. Some of our fierce topics today: [0:00] Introduction and welcoming the Woman, Rise! Authors. [1:00] Everyone’s favorite colors and what that says about them. [7:53] The story of the start of the Author Pod (fiercely titled “Woman, Rise!”). [9:43] What Leslie loves and finds special about all the authors in the Woman, Rise! Author Pod. [13:27] Everyone’s thoughts from when they first started meeting and then what it's come to mean to them. [26:06] A crossroads in the life of each member of the pod and how that pushed them in a different direction. [43:46] Anything else from the Author Pod? [58:54] Outro from Toby Dorr. Links mentioned in this episode: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/27365754

The Art of Living and Loving with Kathryn C. Boxill 06/27/2023

The Art of Living and Loving with Kathryn C. Boxill “Allow yourself to feel. To grieve. To mourn. Oftentimes with life, people wanna keep moving. We have our responsibilities, but in the midst of that you should be comfortable to be able to process those feelings and deal with how you're feeling and grieve in real time.” - Kathryn C. Boxill of BeDoLove, LLC, today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby. Some of our fierce topics today: [0:00] Intro. [01:00] Kathryn’s favorite color, and why. [02:50] The crossroads in Kathryn’s life that led her in a different direction. [05:19] The importance of sisterhood, brotherhood, and a support network. [06:39] How having a working and supporting partner holds you accountable. [08:27] The myth and the legend of Pop (Kathryn’s father). [10:10] How Pop dealt with his cancer diagnosis and the inspirational journey that followed. [12:34] The beauty and significance of being there for a loved one during their final moments. [17:13] How the caregiving experience changed Kathryn's life. [21:22] Exploring ways to honor and appreciate those we have lost. [24:37] You need to feel the emotions. [26:38] How Kathryn moved through and with the hardship of losing Pop during Covid. [29:44] How does Kathryn keep Pop involved in her life? [33:19] A little bit more about Kathryn’s tagline "Be. Do. Love.” [36:13] The importance of asking someone how they are truly doing. [39:28] Outro. About Kathryn C. Boxill Kathryn C. Boxill is an extraordinary being on a mission to inspire and contribute to the world through her unique journey of self-discovery. As a writer and blogger, she embraces her gift of expression and shares her inner spiritual thoughts, poetry, and culinary adventures with her audience. Her blog, "BeDoLove," is a testament to her commitment to living her life's purpose. Driven by her thirst for learning and personal growth, Kathryn believes that life's ultimate purpose is to "Be" all that one can be, create joy and peace through meaningful actions, and spread unconditional love. She is passionate about empowering others to embrace love as the driving force in their lives, allowing them to experience fulfillment and genuine connection. Kathryn's blog is a reflection of her open and adventurous spirit, as she explores new experiences and cherishes the beauty of the world we live in. With a belief in falling in love with life repeatedly, she encourages her readers to step out of their comfort zones and embrace the magic of living out their dreams and desires. Links mentioned in this episode: Kathryn C. Boxill: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/27195606

Diversify My Hustle with Frederick Johnson 06/13/2023

Diversify My Hustle with Frederick Johnson “I think that that's one of the overlooked traits that we have as an entire community is that we tend to not listen. And I think that if we take time, take a minute to sit back and actually listen to what the community is asking for, then we can better serve them.” - Frederick Johnson, therapist, barber, , and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby. Some of our fierce topics today: 0:00 Intro 2:13 A switch from illegal activity on the streets to joining the military. 4:18 Serving historically excluded populations as a mental health therapist. 6:11 One word: discipline. 7:38 About DiversifyU. 8:53 Being a barber and a therapist at the same time. 10:40 Frederick’s creation of Fase Barber Initiative (FBI). 12:18 Soothing the anger in our communities by listening. 14:39 Working as a school-based therapist and the changes being made by Frederick’s work. 17:07 Frederick’s upcoming book, More Black People Should Be Eaten by Sharks. 19:34 How to help support DiversifyU and Frederick’s other endeavors. 22:04 Final thoughts and outro. About Frederick Johnson: Frederick Johnson is a therapist with 25 years of experience providing services for youth, families, veterans, and the unsheltered. He is also a combat veteran, having served in Operation Iraqi Freedom as a Supply Sergeant with his Army Ranger Unit. Throughout his career, Fred has always been drawn to create innovative methods and programs focused on serving historically excluded and low SES populations. is a capacity-building firm specializing in program development and culturally sensitive curriculum encouraging out-of-the-box thinking and creative alternatives. It also provides timely and affordable school counseling services to students in need, with the goal of increasing academics, mental health, and the overall well-being of the students. Additionally, Fred currently works as a school-based therapist, providing intensive services and teaching social-emotional learning (SEL) classes. Born and raised in Chicago, Fred attended high school and college in Iowa. A linebacker for the 1995 RC Cola Bowl National Junior College Championship, he was inducted to the Iowa Lakes Hall of Fame in 2015. He holds a Bachelor of Arts in Public Administration and a Master of Public Administration (MPA) with an emphasis on nonprofit management from Upper Iowa University. Post military, he moved to Kansas City with his wife Hanna and two children, Darian and Marion, and completed his Master of Arts (MA) in Counseling from Midwestern Baptist Seminary. In his free time, you may find Fred cutting hair in his barbershop, bowling in national tournaments, crafting the perfect jerk salmon in his smoker, and writing his first book, More Black People Should Be Eaten by Sharks. Links mentioned in this episode: Frederick Johnson: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/26990748

Perspective Is My Superpower with Carly Fahey-Dima 05/30/2023

Perspective Is My Superpower with Carly Fahey-Dima “Your perspective is a superpower that you have in your pocket at all times. And it doesn't matter what level of situation you're in, whatever you can control or what you can't control around you, whether you like it or you don't, that perspective is the one thing that's pretty unchanging, so long as you're aware of it.” - Carly Fahey-Dima, Communication Manager, Culture Manager, and CFO (Chief Fun Officer) of GracePoint Publishing and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby. Some of our fierce topics today: 0:00 Intro 1:30 The crossroad in Carly’s life that pushed her to make a difficult decision. 2:53 Life is about going through these difficult things and coming out on the other side. 3:20 Carly’s crazy story about being wrongfully arrested at 15. 7:30 What kept Carly going through this turbulent time. 8:25 Perspective is our superpower. 9:33 A different decision in juvenile hall. 14:30 After Carly went home. 19:20 The verdict. 25:36 Carly reclaiming herself. 26:55 Final thoughts and outro. About Carly Fahey-Dima Carly is a lifelong lover of words, writing, and storytelling. Having graduated with her bachelor’s degree in Creative Writing and a minor in Sociology, Carly fell in love with combining her passion for writing with her love for understanding people. Carly is responsible for many of the communications authors and clients receive from GracePoint and prides herself in being someone they can come to to get the answers they need. In addition to her communications responsibilities, Carly has been appointed as the “Manager of Fun” for GracePoint and always likes to find a way to get the team to celebrate a random national holiday or gather for some trivia. When she isn’t at work doing the job she loves she is hiking, cooking soup, crocheting, training for her next half marathon, playing video games with her boyfriend Wilson, or snuggling with her fur babies, Aldo and Soup. Links mentioned in this episode: Carly Fahey-Dima: Sign up for the weekly GracePoint Publishing newsletter, written by Carly, to dive more into her creative musings. ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/26954100

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Doing Things That Scare You with Catherine Bell 05/16/2023

Doing Things That Scare You with Catherine Bell “If a movie was made about your life, who would play the lead role?” This classic conversation-starter question was actually answered for Toby Dorr! For Toby, the face of the lead role was Catherine Bell when she played Toby in the Lifetime movie Jailbreak Lovers. Since Jailbreak Lovers was created from public news stories and without consultation from Toby, the cast was not allowed to speak with Toby during the filming and production. Join Toby and Catherine as they talk about what it felt like for Toby to have someone showcase the story of the biggest turning point in her life in a movie… and not have any control over what was said. See the time stamps below for other topics covered in today’s interview! Catherine Bell is an actress and a model and has starred in multiple films and TV shows including The Good Witch, JAG, Army Wives, Bruce Almighty, and Lifetime’s Jailbreak Lovers (Toby’s story). In addition to Catherine’s screen career, she is also the co-founder of EVR Beauty and a supervisor with Criminon, Links mentioned in this episode: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. Thank you for supporting Fierce Conversations with Toby through your purchases of what we feature on the podcast! Catherine Bell: ____________________________________ Toby Dorr: Or head to for all things Fierce Conversations with Toby. Credits: Created by Toby Dorr. Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing. Theme song: Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist Caroline Parody: Piano Tony Ventura: Bass For more information on these fabulous musicians, please go to Timestamps (0:00-1:44) Introduction and welcoming Catherine Bell. (1:44-3:13) Catherine, you’re a firm believer in doing things that scare you. What’s the scariest thing you’ve ever done and would you do it again? (3:13-5:28) A bit about Criminon, the non-profit organization Catherine does work for. (5:28-6:22) What Catherine ponders when considering new roles. (6:22-7:52) Catherine’s approach to the personas she portrays when acting. (7:52-11:02) The way Catherine figured out how to play Toby in Jailbreak Lovers without ever getting to talk to Toby and how Toby felt Catherine portrayed her in the movie. (11:02-12:12) What Catherine has learned about Toby after playing her and Toby’s most cringey moment when watching the movie with her family. (12:12-12:48) Catherine is known for portraying strong women. Are there any roles she hasn’t played yet that she would like to? (12:48-14:55) Toby shares stories about fierce women who are not talked about or as well-known but should be. (14:55-17:11) Catherine and EVR Beauty. (17:11-18:38) Catherine’s life lesson that has carried her through the hard times. (18:38-19:40) Catherine saying Fierce Conversations with Toby in Farsi. (19:40-21:50) Wrapping up, thank you to Catherine, and outro. /episode/index/show/25d1d90f-136e-4577-bc67-19d9188666c4/id/26847513

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