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The Audacity of Rest, EMDR Intensives, and Massive Imperfect Action with Kelly Smyth-Dent
09/12/2025
The Audacity of Rest, EMDR Intensives, and Massive Imperfect Action with Kelly Smyth-Dent
In this episode of The EMDR Intensive Podcast, I talk with Kelly Smyth-Dent, LCSW—EMDR trainer, published researcher, and founder of Scaling Up. Kelly has trained therapists around the globe and is part of Dr. Ignacio Herrero’s renowned EMDR research team in Mexico. Through Scaling Up, she leads EMDR basic and advanced trainings, business-building retreats, and a global community of clinicians committed to making therapy more accessible worldwide. Kelly shares her journey from weekly sessions to intensives and how massive imperfect action helped her build a thriving practice. We explore how intensives reduce burnout, why screening and fit are essential, and the surprising gifts that come with claiming the audacity of rest. To learn more about Kelly and Scaling Up please visit her website at
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