The Apple and Biscuit Show

Dr. Neil Hillman and Jason Nicholas, two professionals working in film and television sound, discuss the many ways sound is used in moving picture productions to engage, entertain, educate and inform audiences. The podcast covers a range of topics through interviews with industry insiders as well as academics and professionals in other fields who talk about the human understanding and perception of sound.

#019 Jonathan Glazier: the heavy lifting behind light entertainment 10/24/2025

#019 Jonathan Glazier: the heavy lifting behind light entertainment Jonathan Glazier is one of the television industry’s leading lights in television Light Entertainment. Over a 40-year career, Jonathan has directed and produced some of the most popular TV shows, such as ‘Stars in Their Eyes’, ‘Gladiators’, ‘The Weakest Link’ and ‘Asia’s Got Talent’ (and he has the awards to prove it). He has the rare experience of firstly consulting to, and then leading, one of the BBC’s most historically significant and influential departments as the Editor of BBC Light Entertainment and International Formats. Today, he works with global clients as diverse as CBC and NHK and creates formats for widely different cultures from ‘Suka Lattew’ in Malaysia to ‘How Normal are You?’ in New Zealand. But Jonathan’s remarkable television career started in the sound department at the famous ATV Elstree studios. Jonathan explains how this background has been the foundation of his incredible career. About the presenters: You can find out more about Jonathan Glazier’s consultancy company Details about Neil Hillman and Jason Nicholas’s work as dialogue editors and mixers and how to contact them is Our 1-to-1, training and coaching programmes for ambitious media professionals are available at: and and Details of Neil’s books, including his best-seller ‘Sound for Moving Pictures’, are available Technical notes: Written, produced and presented by Jason Nicholas and Dr Neil Hillman – Recorded using the CleanFeed remote recording system Programme edited by Jason Nicholas YouTube fair use disclaimer: Where copyrighted material appears in episodes of The Apple and Biscuit Show, it is used under the ‘fair use’ guidelines of the Copyright Act: i.e. “Use of these clips follows Fair Use laws regarding commenting and criticizing”, where Fair Use allows for the unlicensed use of copyrighted material for purposes such as Commentary, Criticism, Parody, News reporting, Teaching, Scholarship, and Research. In instances where copyright or credit is questioned, please contact us directly to discuss receiving credit, or removing the featured content. /episode/index/show/28f315fc-4e0e-4d08-9358-070462a0bdf8/id/38766525

#018 Mark Franken: On designing the tools that re-conformed an entire industry 09/29/2025

#018 Mark Franken: On designing the tools that re-conformed an entire industry Mark Franken is the double Emmy-winning creator of the sound editing software tools EdiCue, EdiLoad and EdiPrompt; products that since their inception in 2007, have come to be indispensable to dialogue editors, supervising sound editors, ADR recordists and re-recording mixers working in the sound for moving pictures sector. They are now the industry standard protocols for the organisation, exchange and delivery of post-production audio for film and television. With their time-saving capabilities, it’s also fair to say that they have had a significant impact on the ability of streaming broadcasters to start the production trend for movie-length, multi-episodic series. But the integral component in each of these products is borne out of the experience of Mark Franken as a highly successful sound creative in both hemispheres… Before Mark founded his software company Sounds in Sync, he was a busy and time-pressed dialogue editor, sound effects editor, music editor and re-recording mixer, working on major motion pictures. FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER 2025, enjoy 20% off ALL Sounds in Sync products by using the discount code: APPLEBISCUIT25 About the presenters: You can find out more about Mark Franken’s products, and his company Sounds in Sync, Details about Neil Hillman and Jason Nicholas’s work as dialogue editors and mixers and how to contact them is Details of our 1-to-1, training and coaching programmes for ambitious media professionals are available at: and and Technical notes: Written, produced and presented by Jason Nicholas and Dr Neil Hillman – Recorded using the CleanFeed remote recording system Programme edited by Dr. Neil Hillman YouTube fair use disclaimer: Where copyrighted material appears in episodes of The Apple and Biscuit Show, it is used under the ‘fair use’ guidelines of the Copyright Act: i.e. “Use of these clips follows Fair Use laws regarding commenting and criticizing”, where Fair Use allows for the unlicensed use of copyrighted material for purposes such as Commentary, Criticism, Parody, News reporting, Teaching, Scholarship, and Research. In instances where copyright or credit is questioned, please contact us directly to discuss receiving credit, or removing the featured content. /episode/index/show/28f315fc-4e0e-4d08-9358-070462a0bdf8/id/38387400

#017 Dr. Iain McGregor: Why hearing means feeling–designing sound for the real world 07/28/2025

#017 Dr. Iain McGregor: Why hearing means feeling–designing sound for the real world Dr Iain McGregor is an Associate Professor at Edinburgh Napier University, specialising in interactive media design and auditory perception research. His PhD in soundscape mapping examined how sound designers’ expectations compare with listeners’ experiences. With over 30 years of experience, he has worked across film, video games, theatre, radio, television, mixed reality, robotics, and auditory displays, exploring soundscapes, sonification, and human interaction. His patent Evaluation of Auditory Capabilities (WO2024041821A1) informs accessibility, user experience design, and auditory technologies. His research extends to human-robot interaction, and he currently consults for companies in mixed reality and robotics, shaping advanced auditory interfaces. About the presenters: You can find more about Iain McGregor’s work Details about Neil Hillman and Jason Nicholas’s work as dialogue editors and mixers and how to contact them is Details of our 1-to-1, training and coaching programmes for ambitious media professionals are available at: and and Technical notes: Written, produced and presented by Jason Nicholas and Dr Neil Hillman – Recorded using the CleanFeed remote recording system Programme edited by Jason Nicholas YouTube fair use disclaimer: Where copyrighted material appears in episodes of The Apple and Biscuit Show, it is used under the ‘fair use’ guidelines of the Copyright Act: i.e. “Use of these clips follows Fair Use laws regarding commenting and criticizing”, where Fair Use allows for the unlicensed use of copyrighted material for purposes such as Commentary, Criticism, Parody, News reporting, Teaching, Scholarship, and Research. In instances where copyright or credit is questioned, please contact us directly to discuss receiving credit, or removing the featured content. /episode/index/show/28f315fc-4e0e-4d08-9358-070462a0bdf8/id/37583265

#016 From Edgar Wallace to Wallace and Gromit–A Grand Day Out at the National Film and Television School 07/01/2025

#016 From Edgar Wallace to Wallace and Gromit–A Grand Day Out at the National Film and Television School In the last of his mini-series of three documentaries recorded on a recent trip to the UK, Neil visits the home of the National Film and Television School at the historic Beaconsfield Film Studios in Buckinghamshire. On his visit, he is given unprecedented access to the workspaces, students, lecturers and visiting professionals that make NFTS such a unique establishment. Neil talks to Stephen Holdsworth, NFTS Chief Engineer about the history of the site; Guy Hake, Senior Lecturer on the Sound Design Masters course and Sound Design Masters student Tom Bosher; and BAFTA and Academy Award-winning Supervising Sound Editor Nina Hartstone about her work delivering master classes and how, through her work, she aims to help prepare the next generation of sound professionals to be industry-ready. About the presenters: You can find more about the National Film and Television School Nina Hartstone at Details about Neil Hillman and Jason Nicholas’s work as dialogue editors and mixers and how to contact them is Details of our 1-to-1, training and coaching programmes for ambitious media professionals are available at: and and Technical notes: Written, produced and presented by Dr. Neil Hillman – Programme edited and mixed by Dr. Neil Hillman on DaVinci Resolve v20. Recorded on location by Neil using a Sound Devices 664 recorder, with Sennheiser 416 and Sanken COS-11 microphones. YouTube fair use disclaimer: Where copyrighted material appears in episodes of The Apple and Biscuit Show, it is used under the ‘fair use’ guidelines of the Copyright Act: i.e. “Use of these clips follows Fair Use laws regarding commenting and criticising”, where Fair Use allows for the unlicensed use of copyrighted material for purposes such as Commentary, Criticism, Parody, News reporting, Teaching, Scholarship, and Research. In instances where copyright or credit is questioned, please contact us directly to discuss receiving credit, or removing the featured content. Excerpts from ‘The Dinner After’ and ‘BABA’ used with kind permission of NFTS. /episode/index/show/28f315fc-4e0e-4d08-9358-070462a0bdf8/id/37230845

#015 Dead Cats and Fish Poles—The Story of the Basket Windshield 06/03/2025

#015 Dead Cats and Fish Poles—The Story of the Basket Windshield In this documentary, Neil looks at the emergence of location sound recording for cinema and one of the significant technological developments that enabled this. Starting with the Italian neorealism movement of the late 1940’s, the desire for dialogue authenticity gained hold in 1950’s Hollywood films. This and the artistic truth of French New Wave filmmaking in the 1960’s led to the indispensability of the location sound recordist by the 1970’s and one of their important needs was met by the invention and refinement of the now-familiar microphone basket windshield. To help tell the story, Neil plays real-world examples of Outside Broadcast sport; excerpts from classic movies and amateur YouTube filmmakers and also talks with Radius Windshields Managing Director Simon Davies as well as the owner and MD of plastic injection moulding company Elbmar Limited, Keven Rich and the Oscar-winning feature film Production Sound Mixer - and enthusiastic Radius Windshields user - Simon Hayes. About the presenters: You can find more about Simon Hayes’ work The Radius Windshield site is Details about Neil Hillman and Jason Nicholas’s work as dialogue editors and mixers and how to contact them is Details of our 1-to-1, training and coaching programmes for ambitious media professionals are available at: and and Technical notes: Written, produced and presented by Dr. Neil Hillman – Programme edited and mixed by Dr. Neil Hillman on DaVinci Resolve v20. Recorded on location by Neil using a Sound Devices 664 recorder, with Sennheiser 416 and Sanken COS-11 microphones. YouTube fair use disclaimer: Where copyrighted material appears in episodes of The Apple and Biscuit Show, it is used under the ‘fair use’ guidelines of the Copyright Act. In instances where copyright or credit is questioned, please contact us directly to discuss receiving credit, or removing the featured content. Content: 02:39 – 03:25 The Bicycle Thieves, (1948), Dir. Vittorio De Sica 04:25 – 06:24 On the Waterfront, (1954), Dir. Elia Kazan 06:57 – 07:42 Breathless, (1960), Dir. Jean Luc Goddard 09:55 – 11:58 The Conversation, (1970), Dir. Francis Ford-Coppola 19:48 – 21:28 Les Misérables, (2012), Dir. Tom Hooper 27:52 – 28:50 @MakingParadiseinVA, YouTube channel (2023) 51:57 – 52:25 Wimbledon, Men’s Singles Final 2024, Alcaraz v Djokovic 52:30 – 52:38 FIFA World Cup, South Africa 2010 53:41 – 54:21 Sydney 2000 Olympics, Men’s-8 Rowing Final /episode/index/show/28f315fc-4e0e-4d08-9358-070462a0bdf8/id/36839090

#014 Acoustic Ecology with Dr Jesse Budel 06/01/2025

#014 Acoustic Ecology with Dr Jesse Budel In this episode Neil and Jason speak with Dr Jesse Budel, a composer-performer, sound artist, academic and arts entrepreneur based in South Australia. As a composer, his works are for diverse media and spaces, ranging from concert works and installations to community and interdisciplinary collaborations. Jesse’s PhD research at the Elder Conservatorium of Music focussed on adapting soundscape ecology to creative process, resulting in a body of works responding to South Australian ecosystems and soundscapes. As an emerging member of the Acoustic Ecology and Ecoacoustic communities, Jesse currently serves as the Secretary for both the Australian Forum for Acoustic Ecology and World Forum for Acoustic Ecology. This is a wide ranging interview discussing the history of Soundscape Ecology, as defined by the work of R Murray Schafer and the World Soundscape Project, starting in the 1970’s, through to the present day scientific use of sound for bioacoustic research of natural environments. About the presenters: You can find more about Jesse and his work here: Details about Neil and Jason’s work as dialogue editors and mixers and how to contact them is here: Details of our 1-to-1, training and coaching programmes for ambitious media professionals are available at: and and Further reading and links: The World Soundscape Project: Principles of Soundscape Ecology: Discovering Our Sonic World by Bryan C. Pijanowski: The Australian Acoustic Observatory: SPAT Revolution: Technical notes: Written, produced and presented by Jason Nicholas and Dr Neil Hillman Recorded using the CleanFeed remote recording system Programme edited by Jason Nicholas See Dr Budel’s Bandcamp page for a selection of his compositions here: The final piece that ends the podcast is a clip from “Early Afternoon on the Mountain” from the Cathedrals album. YouTube fair use disclaimer: Where copyrighted material appears in episodes of The Apple and Biscuit Show, it is used under the ‘fair use’ guidelines of the Copyright Act: i.e. “Use of these clips follows Fair Use laws regarding commenting and criticizing”, where Fair Use allows for the unlicensed use of copyrighted material for purposes such as Commentary, Criticism, Parody, News reporting, Teaching, Scholarship, and Research. In instances where copyright or credit is questioned, please contact us directly to discuss receiving credit, or removing the featured content. /episode/index/show/28f315fc-4e0e-4d08-9358-070462a0bdf8/id/36802865

#013 Blast-off from Birmingham – The Story of Grosvenor Road Studios 05/02/2025

#013 Blast-off from Birmingham – The Story of Grosvenor Road Studios In this documentary, Neil travels back to his home town of Birmingham to learn more about what he considers to be the city’s best kept cultural secret – Grosvenor Road Studios: the family-run sound facility that came to be known as ‘Birmingham’s Abbey Road’. Still in operation today, the studios were founded 80 years ago by John Taylor, and his business partner Charles Hollick, to record music - which they did prolifically; as well as expanding into creating soundtracks and recording dialogue for iconic television series’ and blockbuster movies. To help reveal the story, Neil talks with John Taylor’s wife and creative partner Jean Taylor, their two successful musician sons Christopher and Richard Taylor, and Birmingham popular music academic, Jez Collins, from the Birmingham Music Archive. About the presenters: You can find more about Chris Taylor’s work You can find more about Richard Taylor’s work The Birmingham Music Archive is Details about Neil Hillman and Jason Nicholas’s work as dialogue editors and mixers and how to contact them is Details of our 1-to-1, training and coaching programmes for ambitious media professionals are available at: and and Technical notes: Written, produced and presented by Dr. Neil Hillman – Programme edited and mixed by Dr. Neil Hillman on DaVinci Resolve. YouTube fair use disclaimer: Where copyrighted material appears in episodes of The Apple and Biscuit Show, it is used under the ‘fair use’ guidelines of the Copyright Act: i.e. “Use of these clips follows Fair Use laws regarding commenting and criticizing”, where Fair Use allows for the unlicensed use of copyrighted material for purposes such as Commentary, Criticism, Parody, News reporting, Teaching, Scholarship, and Research. In instances where copyright or credit is questioned, please contact us directly to discuss receiving credit, or removing the featured content. /episode/index/show/28f315fc-4e0e-4d08-9358-070462a0bdf8/id/36407390