Fear Less
Welcome to the Fear Less podcast, a show dedicated to discussing anxiety, fear, and general mental well-being. In this podcast, host Zack Schafer sits down with clinical professionals, educators, parents, and individuals with anxiety to have meaningful conversations about fear and how to manage it. Through expert knowledge, personal stories, and practical everyday tips, Zack helps listeners gain the insight, confidence, and skills necessary to master their fears. Zack Schafer, MS, OTR/L, is a mental health occupational therapist and the executive director of Mountain Valley Treatment Center (MVTC), a non-profit residential treatment program for youth with debilitating anxiety. This podcast is sponsored by MVTC and aligns with the program’s mission to help anxious young people to fear less and live fully. However, fear and anxiety don’t just impact young people—they affect everyone. Our collective fears and anxieties shape the health of our communities and society as a whole. The Fear Less podcast was created to reach a broad audience and inspire all who listen to come together, face their fears, and live courageously. For more information visit: • www.mountainvalleytreatment.org • Instagram: @mountainvalleytreatmentcenter • LinkedIn: Mountain Valley • LinkedIn: Zack Schafer
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87. Fear and Fatherhood Pt. 2: Reflections on Becoming A Dad for a Second Time
11/19/2025
87. Fear and Fatherhood Pt. 2: Reflections on Becoming A Dad for a Second Time
Is having another child an anxiety provoking experience? Our host Zack Shafer returns for a solo episode reflecting on the arrival of his second child, baby Meli and how becoming a parent again reshaped his understanding of fear and anxiety. He revisits the worries he had before his first child’s birth—fears about not having life perfectly organized—and how becoming a dad taught him that anxiety doesn’t disappear, but you learn you can handle uncertainty anyway. With more experience under his belt, Zack describes approaching this second birth with less panic and more presence, recognizing how exposure—doing something hard once—builds confidence the next time around. He also explores the unique fears that surfaced as he became a father to a daughter and how societal expectations shaped his protective instincts. The episode expands into a powerful conversation about men’s mental health, the pressure many fathers feel to “hold everything together,” and how rarely dads are asked how they’re coping. Zack encourages parents—especially fathers—to talk openly about stress, seek support, and remember that you don’t need to be perfect to be a good parent. You just need to show up, stay aware, and keep going. Zack’s Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from Ama H. Vanniarachchy, author and anthropologist to help you Fear Less! Fear Less is sponsored by Zack’s episode about anxiety related to his first child was first released in July of 2024-
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86. Anxiety Journey: From Mountain Valley Client to Anxiety Clinician
11/05/2025
86. Anxiety Journey: From Mountain Valley Client to Anxiety Clinician
What happens when a teen who once struggled with anxiety and OCD grows up to help others face those same fears? In this episode Zack welcomes former Mountain Valley client, now Child Mind Institute clinician John Wyetzner, as he shares his powerful journey from school avoidance and OCD to evidence-based recovery. This episode unpacks what Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) truly looks like, how Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) supports values-driven change, and the vital role of community in healing. For parents and clinicians, John offers practical insights into tackling intrusive thoughts, reassurance-seeking, and family accommodation. Discover actionable tips to help teens generalize their therapeutic gains back to home and school environments. This podcast provides clear resources, real hope, and essential next steps for effectively treating teen anxiety and OCD. Zack’s Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from Jim Morrison, songwriter and musician to help you Fear Less! To find out more about John Weitzner and the Child Mind Institute check this website out- Fear Less is sponsored by
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85. What If It’s Not About Food? Understanding Fear and Eating Disorders
10/22/2025
85. What If It’s Not About Food? Understanding Fear and Eating Disorders
What if your child’s struggle with food isn’t really about food at all—but about fear? In this powerful episode of Fear Less, host Zack sits down with Libby Parker, a registered dietitian, certified eating disorder specialist, and author of Permission to Eat, to explore how fear, anxiety, and control often lie at the heart of eating disorders. Drawing on both her personal recovery and clinical expertise, Libby explains how restrictive or binge cycles develop, why they can be so difficult to break, and how compassionate, evidence-based approaches—like exposure therapy—can help young people find freedom and self-trust again. Parents will gain practical insight into recognizing early warning signs, understanding the role of fear in their child’s behaviors, and responding with curiosity instead of panic. Together, Zack and Libby illuminate the deep connection between anxiety and disordered eating—and offer hope that recovery begins when families and clinicians work together to loosen fear’s hold. Zack’s Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from Jenni Schaefer, author of "Life without Ed” to help you Fear Less! To find out more about Libby Parker check out her Theraden weblink- Fear Less is sponsored by
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84. From Avoidant to Values Driven: How ACT Helps Teens Embrace Anxiety
10/15/2025
84. From Avoidant to Values Driven: How ACT Helps Teens Embrace Anxiety
Licensed professional counselor Kelsey Irving joins Zack to demystify Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and how it helps teens with anxiety and OCD—especially when paired with Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP). Kelsey breaks ACT down into parent-friendly language: accept tough thoughts and feelings without wrestling them, then commit to actions that serve your child’s values (family, school, friendships). She shares clear metaphors teens actually remember (leaves on a stream, “bring the monkey with you”) and explains “defusion” and mindfulness as practical skills that make scary moments doable—like showing up for a game, riding in the car, or eating with friends. Parents will also hear why family involvement matters at every age, how to stop unintentionally accommodating compulsions, and what to do when a teen says, “I don’t want to feel this way anymore.” Kelsey draws on her OCD-specialist training (IOP/PHP), her virtual therapy & coaching work across state lines, and her children’s ACT book, Jacob in the Cloud, to offer simple—but not always easy—steps that build psychological flexibility, reduce reassurance cycles, and move teens toward a bigger life. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from Les Brown to help you Fear Less! To find out more about Kelsey Irving and the resources she talks about check out her website: Fear Less is sponsored by
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83. Productive Struggle Over Fragility: How to Raise Braver Teens with Lynn Lyons
10/08/2025
83. Productive Struggle Over Fragility: How to Raise Braver Teens with Lynn Lyons
Parents today are swimming in mental-health advice—some helpful, a lot confusing. In this episode Zack sits down with psychotherapist (author of Anxious Kids, Anxious Parents and host of the “ podcast) to cut through the noise. Lynn explains why anxiety thrives on over-talking, endless reassurance, and “safety chatter,” and how well-meaning accommodations at home and school can accidentally make avoidance worse. She offers concrete, doable shifts for parents: talk 85% less, model approach instead of avoidance, build autonomy, and invite “productive struggle” so teens learn they can handle discomfort. You’ll also hear practical guidance for school refusal (what to change tonight and how to partner with the school), why stress ≠ trauma, and how to replace fragility language with skills and confidence. If your teen is anxious—and you’re anxious about what to do—this conversation gives you a clear playbook and renewed hope. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from LR Nost to help you Fear Less! To find out more about Lynn Lyonns and the resources she talks about check out her website: Fear Less is sponsored by
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82. From Anxious Athlete to Anxiety Expert: Katharine Call on Sports and Mental Health
09/24/2025
82. From Anxious Athlete to Anxiety Expert: Katharine Call on Sports and Mental Health
In this episode Zack talks with Mountain Valley clinician Katharine Call, who opens up about her journey from professional skiing to living with—and ultimately overcoming—anxiety. Katharine shares how the pressures of competitive athletics, from ski academies to the U.S. national team, intensified her struggles with emetophobia and performance-related fears. She describes how her anxiety often went unnoticed or was misunderstood as physical illness, and the turning point that came when she finally received the right mental health support. Parents of anxious teens—especially those navigating sports—will find this conversation both relatable and hopeful. Katharine reflects on the hidden pressures of specializing too early, the importance of building an identity outside of athletics, and the role exposure therapy and balance played in her recovery. Her story offers valuable insights for families supporting a teen athlete wrestling with anxiety, perfectionism, and self-doubt, and reminds us that courage and strength are often found in the midst of fear. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from MMA fighter Ronda Rousey to help you Fear Less! Fear Less is sponsored by
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81. Anxious Teens & the Outdoors: How Adventure Therapy Builds Confidence
09/17/2025
81. Anxious Teens & the Outdoors: How Adventure Therapy Builds Confidence
In this week's episode Zack talks with Nichol Ernst, LCSW, CEO/Clinical Director and co-owner of to unpack how the outdoors and adventure therapy help anxious teens. Nichol explains Summit’s integrated treatment model—weekly rhythms of accredited academics, individualized therapy, and guided outdoor experiences—that turns nature into a practical lab for exposure, executive functioning, and confidence-building. They explore why time outside reduces avoidance, increases presence, and helps reframe fear—especially for school anxiety/school refusal, OCD/ERP carryover, and neurodivergent (ASD) teens who benefit from sensory input and structured challenge. The conversation highlights parent coaching and family-system change, perceived vs. actual risk in the outdoors, and how real-world wins on trail translate to the classroom and home. Nichol also addresses the history and evolution of “wilderness therapy,” best practices, and why today’s outdoor behavioral healthcare is data-informed, licensed, and collaborative. Hope and next steps for families round out the episode. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote about how time in the outdoors can address anxiety. Fear Less is sponsored by
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80. How Mountain Valley Change My Life: Lessons from Exposure Therapy with Amelia Teta
09/10/2025
80. How Mountain Valley Change My Life: Lessons from Exposure Therapy with Amelia Teta
On this episode Zack talks with Mountain Valley alumna—and current OT grad student—Amelia Teta about what truly helps when anxiety and OCD take over. Amelia traces her path from school avoidance to meaningful engagement, highlighting how Mountain Valley’s evidence-based approach—especially Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP)—taught her to “be with” difficult emotions instead of resisting them. She unpacks the role of community, stewardship (chores and contribution), routines, and mental-health-informed occupational therapy in building confidence and everyday function. Candid, practical, and hopeful, this conversation offers families and caregivers a clear view of what effective anxiety/OCD treatment looks like—and how to keep the momentum going after discharge. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote about fear from Eleanor Roosevelt. Fear Less is sponsored by
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79. Back to School Anxiety: 5 Tips for Parents to Help Teens Overcome School Avoidance
08/27/2025
79. Back to School Anxiety: 5 Tips for Parents to Help Teens Overcome School Avoidance
In this special back-to-school episode Zack sits down with Mountain Valley’s Director of External Affairs and Enrollment, Everett Logan, to share practical strategies for parents whose teens are struggling with school avoidance and anxiety. Everett draws on his background as a teacher, school counselor, and leader at Mountain Valley to outline five key tips that can help families manage back-to-school stress: normalizing anxiety without enabling avoidance, managing your own parental anxiety, setting predictable routines, being proactive with plans, and looking beyond academics to support your teen’s overall development. Together, Zack and Everett offer real-world advice to help parents foster resilience, hold healthy boundaries, and prevent school avoidance from derailing their child’s year. If your teen is anxious about returning to school—or you’re a parent looking for practical guidance—this episode is packed with insights to help your family approach the new school year with more calm, confidence, and connection. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- Zack shares an inspiring quote from Dr. Harriet Lerner about fear and courage. Fear Less is sponsored by
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78. School Anxiety in Teens: How Therademics Helps Students Build Resilience
08/20/2025
78. School Anxiety in Teens: How Therademics Helps Students Build Resilience
In this episode Zack sits down with Patrick Cooke, Assistant Director of Studies at , to explore the powerful intersection of mental health and education. Patrick shares how the partnership between and has created therademics—an approach where therapeutic goals are woven directly into academic work. Together, they discuss how anxiety and OCD often show up in the classroom, the impact of common accommodations like extra time, and how parents and educators can better support students without unintentionally reinforcing avoidance. Drawing from both his years as an educator and his experiences as a rock climbing coach, Patrick explains how lessons from adventure sports—facing fear, staying present, and building resilience—apply directly to helping teens and young adults navigate academic stress. This conversation offers parents practical insights into balancing academic progress with therapeutic growth, while giving their child the tools to manage anxiety long after school ends. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- Zack shares an inspiring quote from life coach, Mastin Kipp. Fear Less is sponsored by
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77. From Fear To Love: Stories from Mountain Valley Reunion 2025
08/13/2025
77. From Fear To Love: Stories from Mountain Valley Reunion 2025
In this special live edition of the Fear Less Podcast, recorded at the 2025 Mountain Valley Reunion, Zack brings together alumni, parents, current residents, and staff to share powerful stories of hope, resilience, and transformation. Against the backdrop of a sunny summer day in Plainfield, NH, voices from across the Mountain Valley family reflect on their personal journeys—overcoming debilitating anxiety, OCD, depression, and other mental health struggles—and the pivotal role this community played in their recovery. From heartfelt testimonies of residents who once felt hopeless to the gratitude of parents who witnessed their children’s growth, the episode captures the unique culture of Mountain Valley: a place where courage is celebrated, vulnerability is honored, and connection fuels change. Through laughter, tears, and words of encouragement, each speaker reminds us that while fear may feel insurmountable, the right support can transform it into strength—and love. Zack Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote about love to help you Fear Less. Fear Less is sponsored by
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76. “What do I do with my life?” Coaching Young Adults Through Career Anxiety
08/06/2025
76. “What do I do with my life?” Coaching Young Adults Through Career Anxiety
In this episode Zack sits down with career clarity expert Lisa Marker-Robbins to explore how parents can support their young adults in navigating the often overwhelming path toward school, career, and independence. Drawing on decades of experience and her role as a mom of five, Lisa breaks down the fears, anxieties, and misconceptions that keep both parents and their children stuck. She explains how her three-step framework—focusing on self-awareness, career exploration, and intentional next steps—can bring clarity and confidence to the post-high school journey. Lisa and Zack dive into the emotional dynamics between parents and teens, discussing how fear and over-accommodation can unintentionally stall growth. They also explore how career coaching can act as a form of exposure therapy, helping young people build real-world experience, assess their fit with different careers, and find purpose. Whether your child is lost after college, stuck in indecision, or avoiding future planning altogether, this conversation offers hope, strategy, and practical tools for taking the first step toward meaningful adulthood. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- Zack shares an inspiring quote from Eleanor Roosevelt that will help you Fear Less as you try more. Fear Less is sponsored by
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75. The Trade: Helping Young Adults Launch Through Real Work, Mentorship, and Community
07/30/2025
75. The Trade: Helping Young Adults Launch Through Real Work, Mentorship, and Community
In this powerful episode, Zack welcomes back two inspiring leaders—Tim Vaughan, Executive Director of and Will Laughlin, CEO of and . Together, they introduce The Trade, a new work-life preparatory program for young adults (ages 18–30) who feel stuck, disconnected, or unsure about their next steps. Drawing from decades of experience in education, mental health, and mentoring, Tim and Will explain how The Trade provides meaningful work, mentorship, and a supportive community—all on a 2,000-acre mountain campus in New Hampshire. This episode explores how hands-on learning, and genuine human connection can help young people move forward with purpose and confidence. The conversation dives deep into the challenges facing today’s young adults—including anxiety, isolation, and lack of direction—and offers a hopeful, practical alternative to traditional therapy or college paths. Rooted in the principles of occupational therapy and self-determination theory, offers a modern rite of passage where young adults earn real wages, gain skills, and build relationships that help them launch into adulthood. Whether you're a parent, a clinician, or a young adult searching for direction, this episode offers insight, compassion, and a vision for what’s possible when we stop pathologizing struggle—and start building community around purpose. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- Zack shares an inspiring quote from Mary O’Reily a famous Occupational Therapist! Fear Less is sponsored by
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74. Why Your Teen Is So Sensitive: Understanding Sensory Processing and Anxiety
07/23/2025
74. Why Your Teen Is So Sensitive: Understanding Sensory Processing and Anxiety
In this solo episode our host and Executive Director of , Zack Shafer MSOTR/L unpacks one of the most overlooked components of teen mental health: sensory processing. Speaking directly to parents of adolescents who are anxious, overwhelmed, or emotionally reactive, Zack explains how teens with anxiety, OCD, ADHD, or Autism Spectrum Disorder often experience the world through a different sensory lens—and how those differences can dramatically affect their ability to cope, self-regulate, and function in daily life. With warmth and clarity, Zack breaks down terms like sensory processing vs. sensory integration, and lesser-known but critical senses like proprioception (body awareness), vestibular input (balance and movement), and interoception (internal body signals). He shares research linking sensory challenges with mental health conditions and helps parents understand why their teen might shut down in crowded spaces, seem “overreactive” to touch or sound, or crave constant physical input. More importantly, Zack offers practical tools and language to help parents support their teen’s sensory needs—whether through environmental modifications, movement-based activities, or simply a shift in perspective. If your teen’s anxiety or OCD seems tied to “little things” that quickly escalate, this episode offers a new framework for understanding—and a hopeful path forward rooted in science, compassion, and occupational therapy insight. Zack Hack: In this week’s episode Zack shares an insightful quote from Peter Levine, a famous trauma therapist to help you fear less! Fear Less is sponsored by .
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73. Autism and Anxiety: Helping Neurodivergent Teens Thrive through a Developmental Approach
07/02/2025
73. Autism and Anxiety: Helping Neurodivergent Teens Thrive through a Developmental Approach
In this insightful episode, Zack sits down with Cam Sherman, executive director at NeuroDev, to explore the intersection of neurodiversity and anxiety in young people. Cam unpacks how traditional academic and clinical approaches often miss a key component: developmental growth. Drawing from his work at NeuroDev—a mentoring-based program for neurodivergent young adults—Cam explains why young people with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) frequently experience anxiety and stress, particularly around identity formation, social connection, and transitions to independence. Parents will gain valuable insights into how developmental mentoring, lived experience, and community support can offer more than symptom management—they can foster security, resilience, and lasting self-confidence. Together, Cam and Zack also break down the critical distinction between safety and security, a concept that resonates deeply for parents seeking long-term support strategies for their child. Cam explains that while safety seeks to eliminate risk, security builds the capacity to navigate it. Through powerful metaphors and practical examples, this conversation gives caregivers and clinicians a new lens to understand their neurodivergent child’s emotional world. Cam's message is clear: resilience and growth don’t come from avoiding discomfort, but from learning—over time, with support—how to face challenges with confidence and connection. Zacks Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a powerful quote from Louisa May Alcott. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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72. From Perfectionism to Self-Compassion: Izzy’s Journey Through Teen Anxiety and Recovery”
06/25/2025
72. From Perfectionism to Self-Compassion: Izzy’s Journey Through Teen Anxiety and Recovery”
In this heartfelt episode Zack sits down with former Mountain Valley resident Izzy Carosi, who courageously shares her journey through anxiety, depression, and the perfectionism that once consumed her. From the outside, Izzy appeared to have it all—strong academics, athletic talent, and a vibrant personality—but beneath the surface, she struggled with crippling anxiety and perfectionism. Her path led her to where she experienced both a painful early departure and a powerful return. In her honest retelling, Izzy opens up about learning to accept help, understanding attachment and perfectionism, and rediscovering her authentic self—"Little Izzy"—through vulnerability and self-compassion. Soon to be a psychology student at Wake Forest University, Izzy reflects on how her experience in residential treatment taught her to build balance, develop emotional resilience, and embrace her worth beyond achievements. She offers valuable insights for both young people navigating mental health challenges and parents supporting them, including how to re-enter home and school life after treatment, and how to stay grounded in a world that often rewards overachievement. Whether you're a parent of a teen wrestling with anxiety or a young person struggling to find your way, Izzy’s story is a beacon of honesty, hope, and healing. Zacks Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a heartfelt quote from Amy Julia Becker. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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71. Why Every Teen with Anxiety Should Learn DBT: Insights from Brittany Little LCSW
06/18/2025
71. Why Every Teen with Anxiety Should Learn DBT: Insights from Brittany Little LCSW
In this episode Zack is joined by Brittany Little, LCSW, clinical director at and former therapist at Mountain Valley Treatment Center. Brittany shares her deep expertise in Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and how it can be a transformative tool for teens struggling with anxiety, OCD, and emotional dysregulation. While often associated with borderline personality disorder, Brittany explains how DBT’s practical, skills-based approach is incredibly useful for adolescents with intense emotions—even before they're ready for exposure therapy. Topics covered include mindfulness, emotion regulation, distress tolerance, and interpersonal effectiveness, as well as how DBT lays a crucial foundation for long-term healing. Brittany also explores how DBT offers powerful tools for both parents and clinicians, not just clients. From validating a teen’s emotional experiences without reinforcing compulsive behaviors, to learning how to effectively communicate through emotional intensity, this episode provides a framework of hope and clarity for families navigating complex mental health challenges. Whether you’re a parent of a teen in crisis or a clinician looking for fresh ways to support anxious adolescents, this conversation highlights why DBT is more than just a therapy—it’s a life skill set for the whole family. Zack’s Anxiety Hack- In this episode Zack shares an inspiring quote from Steven King. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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70. “I Hate the Way I Look”: Addressing Anxiety and Body Image Issues
06/04/2025
70. “I Hate the Way I Look”: Addressing Anxiety and Body Image Issues
In this compelling episode Zack is joined once again by clinical psychologist to explore body dysmorphic disorder (BDD)—a deeply misunderstood and often overlooked condition, especially in adolescent boys and young men. Dr. Olivardia, co-author of The Adonis Complex, shares his decades of clinical and research experience in working with individuals who struggle with distorted body image, anxiety, and co-occurring disorders like OCD and depression. He breaks down how BDD presents, the dangerous cultural messages that fuel it, and why it often goes undiagnosed in young men. For parents of teens grappling with anxiety, appearance preoccupations, or seeking cosmetic procedures as a solution, this episode offers both a clinical roadmap and emotional insight. Dr. Olivardia discusses the risks of cosmetic surgeries, treatment options including ERP and SSRIs, and the importance of challenging rigid appearance-based beliefs. He emphasizes that recovery is possible—with the right support, education, and structured treatment. If you’re a parent looking for hope and direction for your teen dealing with body image anxiety, this episode is a must-listen. Zack’s Hack- In this episode Zack shares an inspiring quote from Henry Ford. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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69. Treating OCD and Eating Disorders: What Clinicians, Clients, and Families, Need to Know
05/21/2025
69. Treating OCD and Eating Disorders: What Clinicians, Clients, and Families, Need to Know
In this episode of Fear Less, Zack talks with licensed therapist Elian Beattie, the owner of Insights Group, an outpatient therapy practice in Rye, New Hampshire. Elian specializes in treating OCD, anxiety, and eating disorders, and shares her rare expertise in addressing both OCD and disordered eating at the same time—something many treatment providers avoid. Listeners will gain a clear understanding of how these two conditions often overlap, from perfectionism and control to compulsive behaviors around food and body image. Elian breaks down how both disorders can be identified, assessed, and treated with evidence-based approaches like Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). Whether you're a parent concerned about your teen’s mental health, someone who struggles with rigid food rules and anxiety, or a clinician who sees these overlapping conditions, this episode offers real hope and practical guidance. Elian also shares a powerful story of helping a young athlete recover through social reconnection, challenging food fears, and building values-based resilience. If you’re looking for answers about OCD, eating disorders, or how to find the right kind of help, this conversation will leave you informed, inspired, and ready to take action. Zack’s Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a quote from Salvador Dali that can help you fear less! Fear Less is sponsored by . Elian Beattie's outpatient practice website:
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68. Is an Eating Disorder Actually OCD? Dee Franklin on Redefining Treatment
05/14/2025
68. Is an Eating Disorder Actually OCD? Dee Franklin on Redefining Treatment
In this episode Zack welcomes a licensed mental health counselor, to explore the striking overlap between eating disorders (ED) and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). Drawing from her decades of clinical experience and a widely-discussed article she co-authored, Dr. Franklin shares how many eating disorder behaviors—like ritualized eating patterns, perfectionism, and sensory avoidance—mirror the core functional mechanisms of OCD. Together, she and Zach dive into the controversial but increasingly accepted view that ED and OCD may not be as separate as traditionally thought, and how treatment models that embrace this overlap can lead to more effective, sustainable outcomes. The conversation weaves personal insights, clinical strategies, and a deep respect for interdisciplinary work—especially between occupational therapy and psychology. Dee also introduces listeners to ARFID (Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder), highlighting the role of interoceptive exposure and graduated sensory challenges in treatment. With warmth and intellectual rigor, this episode challenges listeners—whether clinicians, parents, or those in recovery—to reconsider how we define and treat disordered eating through a functional, process-based lens. It’s a compelling call to rethink the categories and embrace treatments that meet patients where they are, both physically and emotionally. Zack’s Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a quote from Marcus Aurelius that can help you fear less! Fear Less is sponsored by .
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67. Leaning Into Fear and Loss: Myra Sack on Losing a Child and Finding Her Way
05/07/2025
67. Leaning Into Fear and Loss: Myra Sack on Losing a Child and Finding Her Way
In this deeply moving episode Zack sits down with Myra Sack, author of and Executive Director of a nonprofit that helps people navigate grief through movement, ritual, and community. Myra shares her profound journey of losing her daughter Javi to Tay-Sachs disease, how that loss reshaped her understanding of fear and anxiety, and how the emotional tools she and her husband developed became the foundation for her organization’s healing model. Together, they explore how grief intersects with fear and anxiety, especially the difference between anxiety's imagined threats and fear's real ones—and how we can learn to "move with" both and harness the treasures that exist in intense emotional experiences. Throughout the conversation, Myra highlights the power of emotional granularity, intentional ritual, somatic motion, and authentic community as antidotes to the isolation and overwhelm that often accompany grief and trauma. She and Zack discuss how Emotion, Inc. is bringing these tools to others through its national grief-movement cohorts, offering not just support but transformation. Myra’s vulnerability and insight are a gift to anyone coping with loss or seeking to support others through it, and her message—that we can live in the land of the living and carry our grief—is one of resilience, love, and deep hope. Zack’s Hack: Zack shares a powerful quote about grief. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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66. Anxiety, OCD, and Addiction: Andy Benckart’s Journey to Recovery
04/23/2025
66. Anxiety, OCD, and Addiction: Andy Benckart’s Journey to Recovery
In this powerful episode of Fear Less, Zack sits down with Andy Benckart, a master's-level social work student and young adult in recovery, to dive deep into the complex intersections of anxiety, OCD, and addiction. Andy shares his lived experience navigating chronic migraines, anxiety, substance use, and an eventual OCD diagnosis, shedding light on how these challenges are often intertwined. His story takes listeners from early struggles in high school and college to the transformative impact of wilderness therapy and transitional living programs. Andy also discusses the vital role that surfing and nature have played in his recovery journey, offering a unique perspective on surrender, control, and healing through connection to the outdoors. Throughout the conversation, Andy highlights how 12-step programs, therapeutic support, and outdoor experiences helped him build resilience, self-awareness, and hope for a better future. Zack and Andy explore critical ideas like the subtle ways OCD can present, why addiction often masks deeper mental health struggles, and how the lessons of nature — like surrendering to a powerful wave — mirror the process of recovery. Whether you’re navigating your own mental health challenges or supporting a loved one, this episode offers invaluable wisdom, hope, and a reminder that growth often starts by letting go. Zack’s Hack- In this week’s quote to address fear Zack shares a quote from Victor Frankel. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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65. Befriending Fear: Why We Have Anxiety and How to Use It
04/16/2025
65. Befriending Fear: Why We Have Anxiety and How to Use It
In this powerful solo Zack dives deep into the functional purpose of anxiety and how it can actually serve us rather than sabotage us. Drawing on his clinical experience and personal reflections, Zack reframes anxiety as a messenger, something that, when listened to and understood, can be a powerful motivator and guide. Using real-life examples from his own life and his work at Mountain Valley Treatment Center, Zack explores the physiological, cognitive, and behavioral responses triggered by anxiety and how we can tune into those responses to prepare, adapt, and thrive rather than shut down or avoid. He breaks down the common "fight, flight, freeze, and fawn" reactions and emphasizes that fear isn’t something to eliminate—but rather, something to make less intrusive and more constructive. Zack also shares personal stories, including how anxiety helped him prepare for fatherhood and process fear during a high-risk pregnancy. He emphasizes that our emotions aren’t enemies—they’re signals that deserve attention, curiosity, and response. Referencing tools from Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and the book The Happiness Trap by Russ Harris, Zack encourages listeners to transform their relationship with fear, rather than trying to eliminate it. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who’s felt consumed by anxiety and is ready to learn how to partner with it instead. Zack Hack: In this week’s hack Zack shares an inspiring quote from Russ Harris, author of The Happiness Trap. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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64. Living with ADHD: Dr. Roberto Olivardia on Managing Anxiety, OCD & Executive Functioning
04/09/2025
64. Living with ADHD: Dr. Roberto Olivardia on Managing Anxiety, OCD & Executive Functioning
In this compelling episode Zack sits down with renowned clinical psychologist Dr. Roberto Olivardia to explore the realities of living with ADHD and how it intersects with anxiety, OCD, and executive functioning. A lecturer at and clinical associate at , Dr. Olivardia brings both professional expertise and personal insight as someone who has lived with ADHD his entire life. The conversation dives deep into what ADHD actually is, how it’s often misunderstood, and why people with ADHD often experience high levels of stress and anxiety due to environmental expectations and internal challenges. Listeners will gain practical takeaways around managing ADHD symptoms, whether through medication, behavioral strategies, mindfulness practices, or lifestyle changes. Dr. Olivardia shares relatable personal stories—from riding the subway to focus on reading to writing his dissertation to punk rock—and breaks down the importance of accepting neurodiversity in a judgment-free, strength-based way. If you've ever felt like your brain works differently, this validating and informative episode is not to be missed. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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63. Fear of Letting Go: The Intersection of OCD and Hoarding Disorder with Christin Brown LICSW
04/02/2025
63. Fear of Letting Go: The Intersection of OCD and Hoarding Disorder with Christin Brown LICSW
In this episode Zack welcomes specialist based in Massachusetts. Christin has a subspecialty in Hoarding Disorder, and in this conversation, her and Zack delve into this often-misunderstood diagnosis and its relationship to OCD. Christin shares her professional insights as well as her personal experiences with anxiety and obsessive-compulsive tendencies, offering a nuanced understanding of hoarding behaviors—ranging from emotional attachment to objects to digital hoarding like excessive photo saving or unopened tabs. This episode is a must-listen for mental health professionals, families, and individuals navigating hoarding-related struggles. The conversation explores key differentiators between hoarding disorder and OCD, including the importance of values-based treatment and the use of Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) therapy. Christin emphasizes the importance of tailored exposures—such as discarding unused items, avoiding acquiring new ones, and challenging the emotional significance tied to objects. She also discusses practical tips for family members supporting a loved one with hoarding disorder and offers real-life case examples, including therapeutic rituals like shredding sentimental items. This episode sheds light on how understanding, compassion, and evidence-based therapy can make a significant difference for individuals struggling to let go—both physically and emotionally. Zack’s Hack- In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares a quote from Buddhist monk, Thich Nhat Hanh. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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62. OCD & Addiction: Hidden Connections and Concurrent Paths to Healing with Jayme Valdez LMHC
03/19/2025
62. OCD & Addiction: Hidden Connections and Concurrent Paths to Healing with Jayme Valdez LMHC
In this episode Zack welcomes Jayme Valdez, a licensed mental health counselor and founder of . Jayme specializes in treating OCD, anxiety, trauma, and addiction, and she shares her unique approach to addressing the overlap between OCD and addictive disorders. She challenges the traditional belief that OCD and addiction must be treated separately, advocating for a concurrent treatment model that acknowledges their shared compulsive patterns. Drawing from both her clinical expertise and personal experience, Jayme highlights the importance of evidence-based interventions, harm reduction, and fostering connection as means to support long-term recovery. Throughout the episode, Jayme provides invaluable insights for clinicians, individuals struggling with co-occurring disorders, and their loved ones. She explains how OCD and addiction operate in similar cycles of intrusive thoughts and urges, followed by compulsive, ritualized, behaviors, painting a clear picture for how addressing these two challenges together is not only doable, but highly effective. Listeners will gain practical strategies for navigating recovery, breaking unhealthy cycles, and supporting loved ones without enabling harmful behaviors. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone interested in mental health, addiction recovery, and breaking free from patterns that keep individuals stuck. Zack’s Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a quote from Nelson Mandela to help you Fear Less! Fear Less is sponsored by .
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61. Mountain Valley's History, Culture, and Alumni Support Network with Carl Lovejoy
03/12/2025
61. Mountain Valley's History, Culture, and Alumni Support Network with Carl Lovejoy
In this episode Zack welcomes Carl Lovejoy, one of the co-founders of to reflect on the center's origins and evolution. Carl shares his journey from working in independent schools to helping establish Mountain Valley in 2011, recognizing the need for specialized support for high-achieving students struggling with anxiety and related disorders. He recounts the center’s humble beginnings in Pike, New Hampshire, with just four families and how it grew into a nationally recognized residential treatment program. Carl and Zack discuss the transition to the Plainfield campus, which offered greater accessibility and a more structured, home-like environment that fosters healing. They also highlight the role of traditions, the power of community, and the importance of making treatment feel welcoming rather than clinical. The conversation shifts to the evolution and future of Mountain Valley, as Carl and Zack discuss the changing mental health needs of youth, including the rise of OCD and ASD diagnoses, and how Mountain Valley continues to adapt its approach to meet those challenges. The podcast concludes with Carl and Zack reflecting on the deep relationships formed at Mountain Valley, the ongoing commitment to keeping the culture strong, and the recent revival of the Mountain Valley Alumni Association, designed to help youth and families maintain a sense of community long after graduation. Zack’s Anxiety Hack: Zack shares a quote from Joseph Campbell to help you Fear Less! Fear Less is sponsored by .
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60. From Struggle to Strength: Parenting an Anxious Child
03/05/2025
60. From Struggle to Strength: Parenting an Anxious Child
In this episode Zack sits down with Nicole Carosi, the mother of a former resident, Isabella. Nicole shares an intimate look into her family’s journey with Isabella’s anxiety, perfectionism, and depression, detailing the struggles that led them to seek intensive treatment. She reflects on the challenges of parenting an anxious child, the decision to enroll Isabella at Mountain Valley, and the nonlinear path toward healing. Throughout their discussion, Zack, who was Isabella’s therapist during her time at Mountain Valley, offers unique insight into her therapeutic journey, including the pivotal moments that led to breakthroughs for both Isabella and her family. Nicole candidly discusses the emotional toll of seeking treatment, the difficult transition of dropping Isabella off, and the heartbreaking moment of realizing that initial treatment wasn’t working. She also shares how Isabella’s return to Mountain Valley, after a brief departure, allowed her to truly engage with the program and make lasting progress. Through therapy, family coaching, and deep self-reflection, Nicole and Isabella learned valuable lessons about managing anxiety, setting boundaries, and fostering resilience. Now thriving in her senior year of high school, Isabella’s story is a testament to the power of perseverance and finding the right support. Zack’s Hack: In this week’s anxiety hack Zack shares some words of wisdom from singer/songwriter Taylor Swift. Fear Less is sponsored by .
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59. OT’s Role in Mental Health with Mountain Valley’s Executive Director Zack Schafer
02/19/2025
59. OT’s Role in Mental Health with Mountain Valley’s Executive Director Zack Schafer
In this insightful solo episode, Zack dives into the vital role of occupational therapy (OT) in mental health treatment, particularly at . Zack shares his personal journey into the OT field, the therapeutic power of meaningful activity, and how Mountain Valley integrates OT principles into their residential program for adolescents and young adults struggling with anxiety and OCD. Through personal stories and professional insights, Zack highlights how occupational therapy fosters healing through engagement, functionality, and community connection. Listeners will gain a rich understanding of the history of OT and its practical applications within the field of mental health care. Zack reviews the "5 C’s”, a concept that originated from the work of Dr. Rachel Thibeault, an occupational therapist who studied psychological resilience and well-being in underprivileged and marginalized communities. Zack discusses how the “5 C’s” —Centering, Contemplation, Connection, Contribution, and Creativity— are core principles that guide the healing process and shape the therapeutic milieu at Mountain Valley. Zack also discusses how OTs at Mountain Valley collaborate with clinicians to support life skills, social participation, and exposure therapy, for adolescents and young adults with anxiety, OCD, and related disorders. This episode demonstrates the profound impact of OT in mental health care and is a must-listen for professionals, parents, and anyone interested in holistic approaches to mental well-being. Zack’s Hack: In this week’s hack Zack shares a quote about how action is a key antidote to helping you fear less! Fear Less is sponsored by .
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58. Occupational Therapy & Mental Health: Camille’s Journey to Helping Teens Overcome Anxiety
02/12/2025
58. Occupational Therapy & Mental Health: Camille’s Journey to Helping Teens Overcome Anxiety
In this episode Zack talks with Camille Wrege, an occupational therapist at , about her journey into occupational therapy (OT) and how she applies it to mental health treatment for teenagers with anxiety and OCD. Camille shares her personal background, including how early experiences with her grandfather and a passion for holistic care led her to pursue occupational therapy. She highlights the role of OT in supporting young people by improving functional skills like hygiene, social participation, executive functioning, and independent living. Camille also discusses the intersection of OT and exposure therapy, emphasizing the importance of grading exposures appropriately to build confidence and resilience. Throughout the episode, Camille reinforces her core belief in the power of connection, both as a personal value and a fundamental aspect of her therapeutic approach. She explains how OT facilitates social engagement, helping clients build relationships, navigate daily challenges, and integrate exposure-based interventions into real-life activities. The conversation also delves into her experiences working with clients, such as guiding a young adult through meal planning, grocery shopping, and cooking to overcome OCD-related fears. The episode concludes with Camille’s advice for those struggling with mental health: prioritize self-care through sleep, nutrition, movement, and human connection. Zack Hack: This week’s Zack shares a reflective quote to help you fear less! Fear Less is sponsored by .
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