Escaping The Rabbit Hole

Former conspiracy theorist, Antonio Perez, discusses how to deal with family and friends that have fallen down the rabbit hole.

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DEW energy weapons and the maui wild fires 02/23/2024

DEW energy weapons and the maui wild fires Episode Summary I'm talking about the Maui Wild fires and the idiotic conspiracy theory that DEW weapons were used. This episode was a little bit emotional for me, because I've lived in Hawaii (Kaua'i) for 16 years. I briefly talk about some of the grief I've felt in regards to the fire — the Kupuna (elderly) and keiki (children) passing away, the loss of peoples homes, loss of 200 years of culture/cultural artifacts, etc. In this episode I mention how my girlfriend and I have been taking care of our elderly neighbor since about 2017. He's a 91 year old Hawaiian man that's originally from O'ahu. Living in Hawaii you learn to embrace the local culture. Part of the local culture is we take care of each other. Especially the elderly. He's personally given me a lot of purpose in helping him over the years. The most heart breaking thing to me personally during the Maui Wild fire ordeal is knowing a bunch of Kupuna perished in the fire. Knowing that people with dementia dying and being scared shitless is so incredibly heartbreaking. Another issue that's arose from this situation is greedy land developers are trying to buy peoples land. They are preying on vulnerable and desparate people. Please sign this petition to prevent land grabs Quotes We Loved Conspiracy theorists vs problem solvers: "Conspiracy theorists look for problems while the rest of us have to find solutions. Who gives a shit? Let's say it was a direct energy weapon. I think it's bullshit, but let's say it was. Who gives a fucking shit? what are we gonna do about it? What are the solutions?"— Antonio Letting go of grief vs holding onto it: "if I stop feeling bad, then did I even care about that person? ... I'd never cared about."— Antonio Conspiracy Theories and Fear: "I always knew that doing this podcast would potentially take me to some dark places in my past regarding conspiracy theories and how I constantly operated from a place of fear."— Antonio /episode/index/show/8ef8850c-4e16-465d-bd47-3043d11f94ae/id/30074318

Right Wing Manipulation tactic keeps conspiracy theorists hooked 02/11/2024

Right Wing Manipulation tactic keeps conspiracy theorists hooked Episode Summary In this episode, my guest reveals the "Bouncing Souls" right wing media tactic keeping conspiracy theorists trapped. Hot topics The “soviet solution” technique that dismantles the New World Order conspiracy theories brick by brick 5:29 WARNING: Never ask for proof of a conspiracy theory…ask the “reversed proof” question instead…this sneaky tactic will cause someone to doubt their own belief 9:42 The four sneaky words Alex Jones uses to keep his followers coming back for more—every right wing grifter uses this 14:09 “Mission Accomplished!” Discover the sick and twisted desire fueling 99% of all conspiracy theorists 35:56 Hollywood False Flag Terror Plot Exposed! This staged event was a conspiracy theory that came true despite all the coverups 24:56 Drinking babies blood is the biggest QAnon conspiracy theory, right? WRONG! Here’s the QAnon claim that you can ignore right off the bat (by doing this, you’ll shut down QAnon fanatics) 33:03 Introducing the “Bouncing Souls” manipulation tactic that keeps conspiracy theorists glued to the internet (this sends them further down the rabbit hole) 37:03 Guest Bio & Links Antonio [00:00:00]: In this episode of Escaping the Rabbit Hole, my guest reveals the right wing bouncing souls manipulation tactic that kept him frantically researching conspiracy theories. Can you guess what this is? Keep listening to find out. voice over [00:00:15]: Welcome to escaping the rabbit hole, hosted by former conspiracy theorist Antonio Perez, author of converting conspiracy theorists. Antonio looks at conspiracy theories from multiple angles, such as how do conspiracy theorists impact their family and friends? Antonio [00:00:31]: How can they escape the grip of conspiracy theories, and why do they fall down the rabbit hole in the 1st place? You'll discover strategies to Set clear boundaries with people stuck in dangerous conspiracy theories and improve your mental well-being. Here's your host, Antonio Perez. Antonio [00:00:49]: Aloha. This is Antonio with escaping the rabbit hole .com. As a former conspiracy theorist, I have a good idea of what kinda pulls people into it, and I always like getting other people that were into conspiracy theories to talk about their journey. Today, I have John known as the ex conspiracy theorist. Thank you for jumping on the call. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:01:09]: Thank you. Antonio [00:01:10]: So, let's kinda jump into it. What, How did you get pulled into conspiracy theories in the 1st place? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:01:20]: Well, at first, it was pretty much what drags people in, like a gateway drug. It's it's politics because of the political bias. And so in in that case, in the 2009 and 2010 era, It was, a conspiracy theory surrounding Obama, and, the big promoter of that was Glenn Beck. And as I listened to Glenn Beck further, that get that led me to other more more anti bomb outlets, which led me to Alex Jones, which led me to what all the conspiracy theories he believed in. Antonio [00:01:53]: Yep. So it's funny. And, my book, here's my shameless, shameless plug. Converting conspiracy theorist. I mentioned how I, how I was real deep into conspiracy theories. And the one Event that crack that kinda stopped me from believing. I don't know if I've told you the story. I was coming back from computer school, the bus would come down Rosa Parks Avenue in Detroit and would turn towards the highway, and then it would it would do that day in and day out. Antonio [00:02:26]: But one day, the pattern changed. So keep in mind it happened for about a year. And, you know, anytime a pattern changes, we notice right away. We see the confirmation by oh, it's not confirmation bias, but we see when a pattern changes. Anyhow, the bus, instead of turning on to Michigan, instead of turning towards the highway, crosses over, gets to Michigan, takes a left. So at that point, I'm already trying to see things, because the outro all that prime, okay, there's something happening. Next thing I know here, like a thump thump thump. I can hear like this, like a whirly bird sound, and I'm thinking like, what the hell? I look outside the window of the bus, 2 black helicopters are hovering over a building. Antonio [00:03:01]: I'm like, Holy shit. What's happening? This is 2007, so I'm knee deep in Alex Jones' rhetoric. I get off the bus, and off in the distance, It looks like a bomb had gone off. There's, looks like paramilitaries in this members in the streets got fully armed fully armed. So I'm thinking Alex Jones is right. Martial law's here. They're coming for us. They're coming for our guns. Antonio [00:03:21]: Even though I had I I didn't have a gun. So I'm getting ready to, like, hightail it. I wanna get home, warn all my Patriot Friends on Myspace. Okay. I gotta warn everybody. This could be the this is a false flag. As I'm getting ready to dart in front of the train station, I look over. I see. Antonio [00:03:36]: About a block away on the right, I see this guy. The best way to describe him, he looks like a a a scrotum stretch over skeletal with Two eyes bulging out. So just keep that in mind. And as I'm coming up to the guy, I'm like I'm like, how do I know this guy? I've seen him before. My mind's racing. Starts to panic. My plan was to once I get past him, just run home. So and you understand this when you're paranoid. Antonio [00:04:00]: You're just You're scared all the time. So as I'm getting ready to run past the guy, I look over. I'm like, why the fuck is the actor Steve Buscemi here? And I heard, quiet on the set. I'm like, Oh, it clicked. I looked around. I'm like, you're filming a freaking movie. Yeah. They were film they were filming the island. Antonio [00:04:18]: So Full disclosure, Steve Buschope Yeah. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:04:24]: He was in that movie. I forgot. Yeah. Antonio [00:04:26]: But he wasn't in that scene, but, I just I put him in that I put, I've told it so many I've told that story so many times. I put him in the scene. And that's the interesting thing about conspiracy theorist There is when we tell ourself these stories so many times, we start to believe them. We start conspiracy theorists will start seeing evidence that does not exist. Mhmm. Antonio [00:04:47]: You start and then when if somebody asked to back it up, yeah, you you it's that whole crazy rhetoric. What, what's what do you think pulled you out? Was there, like, 1 or 2 events that kinda switched everything? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:05:02]: It was pretty much college. When I, went went to Florida Southern College, I took some foreign policy classes, learning basic stuff about, how how the world world order it has been, how foreign policy between different countries has, Changed over the years. And then when I heard the term new world order, I was like, oh my god. It's like a like, they're gonna talk about the new world order and how they tried tried to Create a global government or something, and then, he Antonio [00:05:28]: got all excited. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:05:29]: Got and mentally, but I was just thinking, keep me cool. I was just let my professor speak. And then, when they talked about it, it was just like a benign term for, like, what the current current world order is post the collapse of the Soviet Union. And and pretty pretty much like the new world orders I brought up every time, like, some big event happens, like, which which changes? Like, if Like, there's there's been all kinds of orders. There's been, Roman order, an Islamic order, Persian order, Egyptian order, and, like, And this this era is called the a lot of foreign policy people call it the American order because America is the dominant one or and If there's another era, like, where there's another another foreign power that's, like, equal to that, the US, it'll be, like, the The the the 2 state power in which, like, 2 2 states mainly run the guided most of the world, and, Yeah. So it was just a very, very normal term. Like, I think I think it was first coined by George h w Bush. And, Yeah. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:06:37]: Ever since then, like, it was as soon as I found out, like, that that term's, like, a very benign term, and it doesn't mean anything, I'm like thinking, okay. What else is he lying about? Then basically that what, that's what pushed me to like, look up the context if there was one for almost everything that I'll show them the same. Antonio [00:06:55]: Yeah. No. There's a whole broken clock. It's funny when people if you bring it up to conspiracy theorists, like, oh, he might be wrong about this, but he predicts a lot of off. Like, no, he doesn't. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:07:05]: No. He doesn't. Yeah. No. Antonio [00:07:07]: Did I ever send you that video where I ran into him? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:07:11]: Oh, you I think you sent me a photo. Oh, no. It was the video. Yeah. Yeah. Antonio [00:07:14]: So me and a, it was funny. Me and a, hypnotist friend, He does shows on a cruise ship. So he he came to Kauai, and I took him on a hike. And I was talking to him how a lot of hypnotists Buy into conspiracy theories because it's I think a lot of hypnotists are promised like, oh, you're gonna get a secret knowledge to be able to help people. You're better than doctors, blah blah blah. Just It's kind of built like that. I guess a lot of it's marketing because if you can build prestige into something, it's easier to sell something. When we're doing the hike, I talked to him about how we about how Alex Jones is crazy, yada yada yada. Antonio [00:07:54]: And 6 hours later, we're at a restaurant. I looked by him, like, Holy shit. That's Alex Jones. I was like, let me get a picture. And then it dawns on me, like, I can't share a picture of me without Jones on faith. I'm gonna look like an asshole. I need to get video for this full disclosure. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:08:08]: Yeah. You're lucky. Only celebrity I've ever run to is, like, hey. Can I take a picture with you is is Shia LaBeouf? Antonio [00:08:14]: Oh, he's he's a weirdo. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:08:16]: Yeah. But this is back in 2000, 2000 12 maybe. Yeah. voice over [00:08:24]: To get instant access to the newest episodes of the podcast and the first 3 chapters of Antonio's newest book, go to www.escaping the rabbit hole.com, and enter your first name and best email and smash the button that says get the podcast. Antonio [00:08:41]: How was your mental health going through all this? Did you have any issues with mental health beforehand? Or Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:08:48]: No one's ever asked you that before. The the answer to that would be no. No, like, nothing that no, like, extreme Perinor or anxiety is something that would, like, I guess, or schizophrenia is something that would, like, prone someone to believing all sorts of things. It it was just scalability mostly. Antonio [00:09:06]: Oh, okay. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:09:08]: Yeah. Especially when you're young young and easily impressionable, like, you'll If if you don't think like a detective or, like, I think like a scientist or think basic basic critical thinking, you start to, believe they said yeah. Exactly. Depending on, like, who who gets you first. Antonio [00:09:25]: Well, a lot of conspiracy theorists start with a conclusion first. They start with a conclusion, then they add evidence, and then it doesn't matter what evidence you show them and doesn't work. There there's a really good book. Have you ever heard of street epistemology? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:09:41]: No. Antonio [00:09:42]: Street epistemology was coined the term was coined by Peter Regassian. He has this, quest this, methodology of asking questions to help people to rethink how they got to the the beliefs that they believe. One of the questions I love in it is, let's say somebody says they believe in satanic pedophiles running the planet. You could ask them, On a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you in the belief that satanic pedophiles run the planet? And then they'll they'll give you their baseline, And they might say, about a 7. And then you just ask them, like, why didn't you choose a 6? When you they they think you're gonna ask them a question, like, why didn't you go higher? So they kinda put the defenses up, and you say, why didn't you choose a lower number? They, they how do I say it? They tend to they have to provide evidence of why the belief might be wrong, which is kinda interesting. Do you know if if you have any history with trauma or anything? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:10:35]: No. Not before that. Nothing that would, That that would, like, make make somebody vulnerable. Okay. Nothing like that. No. Antonio [00:10:44]: What's the one idea you think people get wrong about conspiracy theorists? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:10:50]: That that they're mentally ill or like they're, schizophrenic, I think is the biggest one, Which isn't the case. Like, some some of them are I mean, they'll talk crazy and then you like, we when you, bring up basic stuff, like I say, but what about How is that the case? It like, this is happening. It'd be kind of like, oh, over kind of a stretch to say that. It's like they'll be like, they're like, Like, they'll they'll ponder that. They'll they'll give, like, thought to it and it's like but they'll stick to their original beliefs as if they're Yeah. As if they're religion. Yeah. Antonio [00:11:25]: I I think people with mental health issues can definitely be prone to them. With the same token, I think that people can can have mental health issues caused by conspiracy theories. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:11:36]: Oh, yeah. That could that could definitely trigger it because one of the biggest issues with mental health is, especially with people that have delusions is when, people around them give in to their delusions. Sometimes they might tell themselves, oh, you think the you think the body's on the floor? You better start digging, and then they'll start digging. Reaffirming what they think is real will only make their mental health, worse when you get into their delusions. Antonio [00:12:01]: In, in my book, I talk about this thing called the fame model, f a m e. Let me know if this kinda Here's true for you. This is how I explain myself getting pulled into conspiracy theorist. F stands for feeling powerless. At least for me, I felt powerless. I'm like, I want, I want, I wanna feel like I'm in control. That's part of when, when I thought the, the martial law was happening, I will, I felt powerless like a victim of the new world order, the world around me, but I wanted to be a hero. But, hey, guys. Antonio [00:12:30]: I'm gonna save you guys. A is apophenia, which I know this sits for you. Apophenia is connecting the dots. When you see everything, you start connecting the dots. And then I think when you're connecting the dots, you almost create, In my opinion, you create, like, a larger meta story of everything. And I think that's why, QAnon has been so successful is QAnon seems to it's a conspiracy of everything. They they tie everything together. M is misinformation, which is blatantly obvious. Antonio [00:13:00]: And then e is external locus of control. Are you familiar with the idea of locus of control? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:13:06]: No. Antonio [00:13:07]: So locus of control is a good metaphor is who is driving the car? Are you driving or you a passenger? Are you in control? Are you in full agency, or is it do you, do you feel like a victim? Do you think the Illuminati and all these nefarious forces are controlling your life? Does that make sense? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:13:25]: Yeah. Antonio [00:13:26]: So how much how much of the that fame model kinda resonated with what you are going through? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:13:33]: Well, thank you. Being a college student back then, like, you you you feel not making a lot of money initially, and, And being someone you don't think can make a difference I mean, sometimes it got to the point where it's like, oh, we gotta overthrow this this Think that government is like, oh, but I don't have the money. What could I do? And and, basically, You you would look you would listen to Alex Jones, and he'll and he would and you'd wonder, like, when he would say, when was the time? It's like kinda like when, when people ask their creatures, like, when will the end come? When should we be ready? And then he was like, I'll let you know. Antonio [00:14:11]: You know why? Because you you can't you can't make a lot of money. You have to keep on grifting your followers. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:14:16]: Yeah. I mean, Alex Jones didn't really drain me. I think Think I spent only, like, $150 worth of DVDs. I still got them. Antonio [00:14:25]: I I I have an embarrassing picture of me wearing a I have a So funny. I have a Che Guevara shirt with a, Infowars sticker with those 2 don't go together. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:14:33]: Oh, wow. Is is it from his website or just Somebody. Antonio [00:14:37]: No. No. No. No. No. I, I had the Che Guevara shirt, but then I, I bought, I think, an InfoWars sticker. It's, it's funny. I we used to do a conspiracy theory at the bar I worked at in Detroit. Antonio [00:14:51]: We would, hand out, to follow everybody. So we'd sit there. We would drink. We also do this thing that made us parent, oh, called cocaine. That's one reason. This is probably Over 25 years ago. That's another reason I was paranoid. Your your impression I was probably in my mid twenties, Impressionable, paranoid. Antonio [00:15:10]: I remember one time I'd gone to work, and I get to work and there's a sign on the door saying, The salesman has been shut down, so my immediate thought was, they got to us. They don't want us to expose them. They're shutting us down. Well, the issue is the, owner of the of the business, God rest his soul, he passed away, he was not good at business. He wasn't, like, paying his taxes, so he got shut down for that. It wasn't, I thought, like, the government's coming after us. They're trying to shut us off. It wasn't. Antonio [00:15:39]: But my brain decided, confirmation bias. That's what my brain told me it was happening. What's, I guess, the hardest challenge that you've had to overcome in your life? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:15:51]: Mostly just, like, looking back and say, oh my god. I wasted a whole year of my life. It's kinda like a Antonio [00:15:55]: It was only a year? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:15:57]: A little little over a year. It was from from 2009 to 2000, 10, so that would be 2 years Antonio [00:16:05]: Holy shit. You got out easy. I would oh, it's like 2001 to, like, 2007? Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:16:11]: Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, so you were into the 911 stuff. Right? Antonio [00:16:17]: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:16:19]: So did did you I have this feeling that 2 that 911, going into 2,008 was, like, old and, like, It's tires sound like we gotta move Antonio [00:16:31]: on to something else? Possibly. Jon the ex conspiracy theory guy [00:16:35]: Yeah. Because I I've noticed that, and I think the single biggest thing That destroy the Ireland truth movement was the election of Obama because at the time, most people that were believing it were people that were like people on the left. But Well, after Obama got elected, that thing started to go down because I'm get I'm guessing they think, oh, he won't he won't investigate 911. He's There's probably nothing to it, and, like, the it just slowly faded away. Antonio [00:17:02]: Yeah. And one thing I noticed, From 2001... /episode/index/show/8ef8850c-4e16-465d-bd47-3043d11f94ae/id/29896803

Ancient Personality Flaw Fueling Every Conspiracy Theorist, Unearthed 2000 Years Ago 02/06/2024

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how a former conspiracy theorist escaped the rabbit hole 12/11/2023

how a former conspiracy theorist escaped the rabbit hole Episode Summary In this episode, I talk to my guest about the 9/11 Truth Movement, the Sandy Hook conspiracy fear mongers, human trafficking, and more. Quotes We Loved Mental health improving after leaving conspiracy theories: “The mental health improved so much And it didn’t really start improving until that moment when I was leaving the conspiracy theories behind.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:10:18 → 00:10:32] Conspiracy theorists playing victim: “That is one of the things that conspiracy theorists lack…they feel so out of control. Nothing is in their control. They wanna control things.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:13:35 → 00:13:50] The dopamine rush from conspiracy theories: “Those conspiracy theories were kind of like a hit of ecstasy where they ran that dopamine into overdrive And it would leave you with this I don’t know if anyone’s ever had an ecstasy hangover. They are not fun. They are not fun.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:19:50 → 00:20:07] How to respond to conspiracy theorists on Social Media: “Push back firmly but politely. But if you have nothing to offer to the conversation and it doesn’t affect you, Keep scrolling.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:25:54 → 00:26:40] On debunked 9/11 conspiracy theories: “I didn’t start hearing some of the actual stories about 911 until 2 years ago.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:31:29 → 00:31:36] One being lied to by conspiracy theorists: “They all lied to me. Those assholes, they lied to me.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:35:37 → 00:35:41] Conspiracy Theories and Shame: “There was shame. Especially with Sandy Hook, when my friend looked me in the eye and said that they worked with a parent who lost their child there…20 years of friendship was hanging in the balance based on how I would react to that.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:35:49 → 00:36:32] Overcoming Conspiracy Theories: “I can’t promise that you’re gonna have a perfect life, but you’re gonna have a better one.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:53:29 → 00:53:36] How to protect child being trafficked: “And if you wanna try and if you wanna try and play detective, there’s a thing called NamUs.”— Stephanie Kemmerer [00:55:20 → 00:55:48] Guest Bio & Links Stephanie Kemmerer’s links: /episode/index/show/8ef8850c-4e16-465d-bd47-3043d11f94ae/id/29884063

How a religious extremist left her cult and reprogrammed her beliefs 10/11/2023

Hypnotic storytelling and conspiracy theories 10/09/2023

Hypnotic storytelling and conspiracy theories Watch the podcast on youtube Intro In this podcast, I talk to my friend and colleague, James Hazlerig. I wanted him as a guest to talk about the power of stories. At the core of conspiracy theories are stories. Stories about how the world is being run and managed. From Trunk To Tale In the podcast, I mention to James about his infamous hypnotic elephant story. If you want to experience the power of hypnotic storytelling to take your imagination away to a distant land, watch the video below. Quotes We Loved The Power of Hypnotic Storytelling: “In my practice, I essentially consider that people come to me with a bad story, And I help them get a better story.”— James Hazlerig Rise of Religious Fundamentalism: “My eyes had been opened, I was awakened to a hidden layer of reality that I had not known existed.”— James Hazlerig The Influence of Religion on Identity: “I did essentially recognize that there were things at the basis of the fundamental Christian belief that I didn’t agree with and that I didn’t like.”— James Hazlerig Child trafficking misconceptions: “These are 16 and 17 year olds who are being trafficked by people that they know and probably refer to as their boyfriend or girlfriend, so they don’t realize they’re being trafficked a lot of times, and why would they?”— James Hazlerig The Power of Compelling Stories: “Stories are compelling in a way that statistics are not.”— James Hazlerig The Power of Human Stupidity: “You cannot underestimate the power of human stupidity, and in most cases, yeah, it’s possible that somebody does have it out for me, but it’s more likely that they’re just incompetent.”— James Hazlerig [] The pandemic shutdowns: “They were shutting down bars, which actually weren’t as big a risk as choir practices, because at least people aren’t singing as loudly in bars.”— James Hazlerig [] Guest Bio & Links /episode/index/show/8ef8850c-4e16-465d-bd47-3043d11f94ae/id/29884073

What do you want out of this podcast? 08/08/2023

The dark psychology behind right wing conspiracy theories 08/07/2023

The dark psychology behind right wing conspiracy theories Intro My guest is Csaba Borzasi. He’s an online marketer (sells people stuff with the written word) and a former conspiracy theorist. Episode Summary In this episode, my guest and I talk about psychological tactics used by right-wing influencers to create conspiracy theories that spread like wildfire online. Quotes We Loved Conspiracy Theories and Feeling Alone: “I think this is one of the catalysts that brings people into the world of conspiracy theories because I felt like, yes. The world doesn’t understand me, and I wanna understand the world better.”— Csaba Borzási [00:04:03 → 00:04:13]Conspiracy Theories: “I always knew there was something fishy about this. Yep. I always knew there was something fishy, and now this is the real truth that somebody has been keeping from me.”— Csaba Borzási [00:05:44 → 00:05:54]The Importance of Mental Health Awareness: “I realized that lots of people around me are alcoholics or depressed, but it’s just considered normal because it’s like, hey. This is what people do. Right?”— Csaba Borzási [00:08:36 → 00:08:44]Conspiracy theories and rebellion: “But in terms of emotions, of course, just like you said, I felt felt like an outsider. I felt like a black sheep. I felt I was very anxious when I was a teen. I had long hair as well. I got sucked into the rocker culture as well, which, again, correlates very closely with lots of right wingers and conspiracy theories.”— Csaba Borzási [00:10:39 → 00:11:26]The Power of Populism: “The reason why he’s doing it, the reason why Joe Rogan has turned super right wing, the reason why even, like, Jordan Peterson who used to look up to really, like, a lot…The reason why they’re doing that is because this type of messaging converts way better than reason-based change.”— Csaba Borzási [00:26:27 → 00:26:37]Awakening to the Deception: “Dude, what if these con people like Alex Jones and David Icke, they are the ones who are lying to me because they wanna exploit my attention.”— Csaba Borzási [00:29:17 → 00:29:22]Reptilian People and Hungarian Lineage: “And there was Atlantis and the Hungarians are actually the descendants of the atlanteans. Like, of course, I have this knowledge because I’m part I’m part of this lineage.”— Csaba Borzási [00:33:22 → 00:33:30]Right wing russian propaganda: “The methodology behind certain manipulation techniques…right wingers use it much more consistently…there was this thing called operation infection…precisely to destabilize the west…Russian propaganda and the right wing groups…realized that, hey, this gets more attention. It gets us more power, money and most importantly, rabid followers…Look at Trumpers. I mean, it’s just wild…no matter what he does, they would still forgive him. It’s like, oh, but that child was like a QAnon demon or something.”— Csaba Borzási [00:39:13 → 00:39:17]Neuroplastic Belief Shifting Method: “But, I think it’s a great prototype to basically sell any idea to anyone and shift their beliefs In fact, get them to convince themselves, to establish a new— Csaba Borzási [00:40:48 → 00:41:02]Conspiracy Theories and the pursuit of truth: “So for me, it’s to get the clutter out and to find the source of the truth if that’s possible.”— Csaba Borzási [00:42:23 → 00:42:30] Guest Bio & Links If you’re interested in learning how to sell things online via the written word, check out Csaba’s website: Here’s the video playlist we mentioned on the podcast. This is a video of Csaba breaking down the best selling products sold via direct mail and direct response copywriting: /episode/index/show/8ef8850c-4e16-465d-bd47-3043d11f94ae/id/29884083

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How to prevent the assassination of a U.S. President Episode Summary On this episode of Escaping the Rabbit Hole, I talk to a Heather, a marriage and family therapist. Heather talks about her personal experience with conspiracy theorists within her family. Heather shares useful information on how traumatic events can have an impact on your immune system and digs into some therapeutic techniques that can help you to cope with your family. Heather grew up in the 90s and loved Disney, but her household changed when her mother became involved in a group that believed Disney was leading children to worship Satan. Notable moments from the episode Discover the common “mineral” responsible for 99% of paranoid conspiracy delusions (every right wing broadcaster convinces their audience to stock up on this stuff) [00:03:01] The Innocent “Scary Fairy” tales Heather refuses to let her kids listen to (they can cause kids to fall down the rabbit hole head first) [00:17:45] “…I’m not Jesus. I’m not here to save everybody…” — How Heather protects herself and her kids by doing the opposite of what most therapists do when it came to her conspiracy theory addicted family [00:06:47] Conspiracy theories can be written off as paranoid delusions, right? WRONG! Stumble onto the exact reason paranoid beliefs from the 1990s are being validated [00:15:26] The “Christmas Day” secret to salvage your mental health when dealing with crazy family members (you can use this on any day…not just Christmas!) [00:22:10] Struggling to set healthy boundaries? Ask these 6 little known questions to keep toxic people at bay [00:27:58] Quotes We Loved Mental Health and Setting Boundaries: “If I walked away from being a therapist tomorrow and I never practiced again, it would have been worth it because of the skill sets and the tools I learned to set kind boundaries and to love my family and still be mentally healthy.”— Heather ] The Dark Side of Disney: “They decided that Disney was evil and that they were trying to persuade children to worship Satan.” to ] /episode/index/show/8ef8850c-4e16-465d-bd47-3043d11f94ae/id/29884093

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