People Property Place
Powered by Rockbourne, the central intention of this podcast is to share the stories, views, opinions, and career journeys of the movers, shakers, innovators, and leaders in the real estate investment management industry. Whether you are an existing real estate professional, aspiring to break into the space, or just want to know more about this fascinating sector this podcast is for you. New episodes of The People Property Place Podcast will be released regularly and you will be able to find them for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or any App that supports podcasts. Oh, and one last thing - in every episode, I will be asking each guest who are the People, what Property, and which Place they would be looking to invest, should they have £500m at their disposal. www.rockbourne.com
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#128 Zena Couppey - CEO of Altum Group
06/04/2025
#128 Zena Couppey - CEO of Altum Group
In this episode, I sat down with the absolute powerhouse that is Zena Couppey, CEO of Altum Group, to unpack her extraordinary journey from leaving school at 16 to leading Altum, a rapidly scaling global fund administration business more than 200 people across six international offices. If you’re interested in business building, private markets, fund administration, or scaling a high-performance team, this one’s worth a listen. Key Topics Covered In This Episode: * Leaving school at 16 to join Ernst & Young full time * How she led a management buyout, and rebrand of Altum, raising PE money, and growing the business from 35 to 200+ people across six offices * Using tech to optimise, and drive efficiencies across the business * Her approach to client acquisition, retention, and why service trumps scale * Why culture beats strategy – and how she leads by example * Key trends in capital flows – including the rise of Middle Eastern family offices and JV structures * The growing focus on operational real estate, life sciences, and healthcare assets * How she balances motherhood, leadership, and a global travel schedule Advice for women returning to work and what true equity in the workplace looks like * What makes a great fund administration partner – and why most providers still get it wrong * Zena also shares what she would tell her younger self, and why being underestimated was her biggest motivator. And finally... With £500m to invest – which People, what Property, and which Place would she choose? Enjoying the show? Follow and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne - Giving Real Estate Investors a difficult choice of who to hire. If you’re serious about adding game-changing talent in 2025 and are open to doing it differently, DM me on LinkedIn.
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#127 Jermaine Browne - Co-Founder of Re:shape Living & Ark Co-Living
05/29/2025
#127 Jermaine Browne - Co-Founder of Re:shape Living & Ark Co-Living
In this episode, I sat down with Jermaine Browne - co-founder of Re:shape Living Group and Ark Co-Living - to unpack his journey from urban sociology student to becoming one of the UK’s leading voices in co-living, regeneration and alternative living. If you’re interested in planning, entrepreneurial grit, urban renewal or the business of building places where people actually want to live, this is essential listening. Key Topics Covered In This Episode: · How early exposure to regeneration shaped his purpose · Breaking into the real estate industry · Lessons from a decade in public sector planning roles · Co-founding Re:shape Living, during Covid and how he financed the business · How he leveraged partnerships with trusted consultants · How Ark Wembley became their proof of concept in co-living · Building a team, and moving from a founder-led to an institutional-ready business · Why he has such a clear focus on delivering policy-compliant affordable housing · Practical advice for breaking into real estate from non-traditional backgrounds And finally… With £500m to invest – which People, what Property, and which Place would he choose? Jermaine shares his answer, focused on housing delivery, backing next-gen founders, and building the homes people need today. Enjoying the show? Follow and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne – Giving Real Estate Investors, a difficult choice who to hire. If you’re serious about adding game-changing talent in 2025 and are open to doing it differently, DM me on LinkedIn.
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#126 Sir David Michels – CEO, Investor, Chairman, Advisor, Legend
05/22/2025
#126 Sir David Michels – CEO, Investor, Chairman, Advisor, Legend
In this episode, I sit down with Sir David Michels (the first Sir on the pod!) – former CEO of Hilton, Deputy Chairman of Marks & Spencer, and Non-Executive Director at British Land and EasyJet – to explore his stellar corporate and non-executive career. If you’re interested in leadership, decision-making and the realities of running capital-intensive businesses, this conversation offers direct insight from someone who’s done it at the highest level. Key Topics Covered In This Episode: · From school dropout, waiting tables to building one of the most impressive corporate CV’s · Brilliant basics - why asking questions, listening and understanding people has shaped his approach to leadership · International Growth - Taking UK hotels to the US market · Turning Around Stakis - Navigating a multi-bank restructure involing 27 parties · Hilton & Ladbrokes - Managing global brands, major acquisitions and the shift from owner to flag · Real Estate vs. Operations - Why hotel ownership carries more risk than many investors realise · Life as a Non-Exec - The role of the board, the CEO relationship, and where governance adds value · Michels & Taylor - Building a hotel advisory and management business · Career Perspective - On luck, pressure, regrets, and how success evolves over time And finally... With £500m to invest - which People, what Property, and which Place would he choose? Sir David shares his answer, shaped by decades in hospitality and a long-term view on real estate value. Enjoying the show? Follow and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne – Recruiting Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers.
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#125 Sue Clayton - Senior Independent Advisor & Non Exec
05/15/2025
#125 Sue Clayton - Senior Independent Advisor & Non Exec
Sue Clayton - Senior Independent Advisor & Non Exec How do you stay at the top of your game across four decades in commercial real estate? In this episode, I sit down with Sue Clayton, former Managing Director of Capital Markets at CBRE, board member, investor, adviser, and Co-Founder of Real Estate Balance - to break down a career built on trust, consistency, and integrity. We cover how Sue rose through the ranks in a male-dominated industry, her approach to building long-term client relationships, and how she transitioned into a successful portfolio career after leaving CBRE. Sue shares what it was like advising on billions of pounds of transactions, her board experience with companies like SEGRO, Blue Coast Capital and Helical, and why she’s passionate about driving greater inclusion across the industry. If you care about leadership, longevity, and building trust this episode is for you. Key Topics Covered In This Episode: * A 40-Year Career In Commercial Real Estate – From graduate at Richard Ellis to international CBRE board member. * Building Trust in Brokerage – How she built a reputation through discretion, detail, and doing the right thing. * Building CBRE Capital Markets – What it took to lead during mergers, acquisitions, and global expansion. * Leadership Lessons – How to manage people, politics, and priorities Why saying “no” to a deal can build more credibility than chasing fees. * Transitioning to Board Roles – The skills and mindset shift needed to go from operator to advisor. * What makes an effective Non-Exec in today’s market. * Supporting the Next Generation – The story behind Real Estate Balance and Pathways to Property. Oh, and one last thing… In every episode, I ask each guest: Who are the People, what Property, and which Place they would invest in if they had £500m at their disposal? Don’t miss Sue’s answer - especially if you’re interested in long-term value and social impact. Got any thoughts or questions about this podcast? Drop them in the comments, I’d love to hear from you. And if you’re enjoying the show, hit subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne – Recruiting Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #realestate #property #nonexec #advisory
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#124 Alastair Mullens - Managing Director of Residential at Canary Wharf Group
05/08/2025
#124 Alastair Mullens - Managing Director of Residential at Canary Wharf Group
Alastair Mullens is Managing Director - Residential at Canary Wharf Group. He joined the business in 2018 to establish the group’s Build-to-Rent platform, Vertus. He now oversees all the residential functions at Canary Wharf. Prior to this he spent nine years with Hamptons International & Countrywide Group based in London and Hong Kong, working across residential management, leasing, and development. I sat down with Alastair to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: Alistair’s entry into real estate and early career steps, including his move to Hong Kong What drew him to Canary Wharf Group and the scale of the challenge Do people REALLY want to live and work in Canary Wharf? How CWG is evolving into a live, work play, fully mixed-use, 24/7 neighbourhood Rethinking residential: his views on product design, amenity relevance, and market alignment Why ‘Vertus’ and vertical integration matters - and how it shapes delivery, operations, and brand experience Plus candid takes on culture, service, execution, and so much more Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Alistair would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The is powered by - the team build elite teams for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. If you’re serious about adding game-changing talent in 2025 and are open to doing it differently - DM me on .
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#123 Ian Worboys - CEO and Co-Founder of EGLS
05/01/2025
#123 Ian Worboys - CEO and Co-Founder of EGLS
Ian Worboys is CEO and Co-Founder of EGLS, a pan-European logistics platform focused on sustainable development. With 40+ years in real estate, he’s led major businesses including P3 Logistic Parks and Panattoni, and is known for building high-performing teams and scaling platforms across Europe. I sat down with Ian to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: · How he got into real estate, his early moves, and how discovering dyslexia later in life shaped his approach. · Lessons from navigating the highs and lows of a long corporate career · How personal loss drove him to become a book author. · Why timing and conviction has led to launching EGLS, and why now presents a rare market opportunity · How he raised capital, built alignment with backers, and assembled a high-performance pan European team at EGLS · EGLS three clear strategies: new development, retrofitting existing assets, and urban aggregation. · Whether you’re a property developer, investor, or just curious, this episode is packed with insight and inspiration. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Ian would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The is powered by - the team build elite teams for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. If you’re serious about adding game-changing talent in 2025 and are open to doing it differently - DM me on .
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#122 Damien Sharkey - Managing Director at HUB
04/24/2025
#122 Damien Sharkey - Managing Director at HUB
Episode 122 — Damien Sharkey, Managing Director at HUB In this episode of People Property Place, we sit down with Damien Sharkey, Managing Director at HUB, to unpack how he rose from a family joinery workshop in rural Ireland to leading one of the UK’s most forward-thinking development firms. We dive deep into: The evolution of Build-to-Rent (BTR) in the UK HUB’s strategy behind converting “stranded assets” into thriving co-living spaces Navigating development in today’s challenging economic climate How architecture, business acumen, and grit shaped Damien’s path to the top The DNA of a future-ready development team Whether you’re a property developer, architect, investor, or just curious about the real workings of urban regeneration and institutional residential, this episode is packed with insight and inspiration. Key Timestamps: 00:00 – Intro & Damien’s early influences 05:00 – From architecture to real estate 12:30 – Breaking into BTR 20:45 – The co-living shift 32:00 – Managing risk in uncertain markets 40:15 – Building high-performance development teams 48:00 – HUB’s “People, Planet, Progress” framework 54:30 – Advice for future developers Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Damien would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ powered by Rockbourne - the team build elite teams for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Subscribe for more episodes on real estate, development, and the leaders shaping the built environment. #BuildToRent #RealEstateDevelopment #PropertyPodcast #UrbanRegeneration #CoLiving #HUBLondon #PeoplePropertyPlace
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#121 Carlo Matta - CEO of Nido Living
04/17/2025
#121 Carlo Matta - CEO of Nido Living
Carlo Matta is the CEO of Nido Living, a leading European student accommodation platform, where he drives growth and oversees delivery across the portfolio. He previously led CA Ventures’ pan-European PBSA business, managing development, acquisitions, and operations and has held roles at Actis, Hines Europe, and he brings over 25 years of international real estate experience across Europe, the US, and emerging markets. Carlo is a qualified architect and holds degrees from Politecnico di Torino and the University of Texas at Austin. I sat down with Carlo, to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: How he got into real estate and his early life + perspectives Formative, early career moves & the transition from architecture to developer Returning to university at 34 years old – taking a step back, to leap forward Staying curious and building team cultures focused on fun and learning Exploring the drivers that influence product design & amenity level within an asset Matching return expectations to risk Building a top-tier, international team Creating, not waiting for opportunity and the importance of standing out Having the courage to know when to pivot, and change tact Nido – and the road to 25,000 beds by 2031. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Carlo would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The powered by - the team build elite teams for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #property
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#120 Simon Cooke - founding shareholder & board member of Catella APAM
04/10/2025
#120 Simon Cooke - founding shareholder & board member of Catella APAM
Simon Cooke is a founding shareholder and board member of Catella APAM, with over 40 years of experience in UK commercial real estate. He co-founded APAM in 2009 and he chairs the Investment Committee and shapes strategy, asset management, and client relationships. Simon recently launched the firm’s first listed equities fund, securing £102.2 million to target undervalued UK-listed property companies. His background includes senior roles at Deutsche Asset Management, Close Brothers’ and CBRE giving him deep insight into both public and private markets. I sat down with Simon, to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: · Early career steps, Rugby and what drew him into a career in real estate · The story behind the name "APAM" · The value of focusing on your strengths and staying in your lane · Starting APAM by capitalising on distressed and receivership opportunities during the GFC · Evolving the model to partner with international private equity, by providing asset-level expertise · How he and Will built, scaled, and reasons for part exiting to Catella · Structuring JV’s with partners, and aligning incentives · Choosing the right opportunities over chasing sector trends · Balancing personal circumstances with professional ambitions · Why now is the right moment to launch a UK equity fund Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Simon would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ powered by Rockbourne - the team build elite teams for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #realestate #privateequity #property #assetmanager
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#119 Michael Kovacs, Founding Partner at Castleforge
04/03/2025
#119 Michael Kovacs, Founding Partner at Castleforge
OUT NOW – Michael Kovacs, Founding Partner at Castleforge, a research-based, thematic, vertically integrated real estate investor, investing in the UK and Europe on behalf of pension funds, institutions and individuals, sits down with me on the People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ this week. Prior to founding Castleforge in 2010, Michael worked at Westbrook Partners in London, where he was involved in transactions representing over £2bn of asset value for Westbrook's various funds in the UK, Europe and Asia across a diverse range of real estate investment types. Prior to Westbrook Partners, Michael worked at the Blackstone Group in New York. Michael graduated summa cum laude with a Bachelor of Science in Economics from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. I sat down with Michael, to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: • How he got into real estate and his early career steps • How getting stuck in a lift triggered the start of setting up a business • Evolving the business from advisory mandates to, co investing on deals, and then raising discretionary funds • Evolution of the office market and where the opportunity sits • Why vertical integration mattered in building Castleforge • The disconnect between occupier demand and investor sentiment relating to offices • Asia and the Middle East, capital raising pivot • Fundraising challenges - why raising Fund 4 has been tougher than the debut fund • Datacentre exploration, and debut deal Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Michael would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ powered by Rockbourne - the team build elite teams for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #realestate #privateequity #property
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#118 Piers Slater - Founder & CEO of Reef Origin
03/27/2025
#118 Piers Slater - Founder & CEO of Reef Origin
Piers Slater is the Founder & CEO of Reef Origin with over two decades of experience building and scaling real estate platforms. After founding Reef Estates in 2001 (trading as Reef Group from 2017), he grew the business to over £2bn under development management. In 2024, he co-founded Reef Origin, focusing on sectors at the intersection of real assets and innovation - life sciences, Industry 4.0, digital, energy infrastructure, and venture capital - with a completed portfolio value exceeding £20bn under development management. Piers holds a BSc in Estate Management and an MSc in Property Investment Finance, and is a Chartered Surveyor. He is also a founding investor and board director of Global Space Futures, Perpetual Atomics, and Xange.com, and sits on the boards of Didcot First and the Stevenage Development Board. I sat down with Piers to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: • Early career moves and how he got into real estate • Borrowing £50,000 from his father-in-law to set up Reef Origin • Building Reef Estates with a bucket load of naïve optimism, entrepreneurial spirit, and creativity • Transitioning the business from Reef Estates to Reef Origin – why, how & future ambitions • Owning the whole value chain & the strategic reasoning behind vertically integrating the business • Circular economy, climate, digital infrastructure, automation, AI & ML • Perspective on the current economic and political landscape - Is the UK economy anti-growth? • Diversification, international expansion, and current opportunity set • Decarbonisation, industrial strategy, and the role of nuclear energy as an economic driver • Future-proofing the built environment and reimagining real estate • Reef’s £100bn enterprise value ambition Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Piers would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. See below a snap shot of some of the projects the team have completed: Built a full development team from scratch for an international developer launching a new platform in the UK. Completed a search for a COO/MD succession role, the most critical hire for a founder preparing for retirement within the next five years. Successfully placed seven professionals across finance, development, and investment for a well-capitalised, active value investor. Successfully placed our 8th team member into a 12-person challenger brand - now that's a true partnership in action! Assembled a three-person investment team for an active residential investor and developer. Recruited a Head of Financial Modelling for a top investor/developer to enhance modelling, reporting, and decision-making to aid capital raising & deployment efforts. Struggling to hire top talent? Think there’s a better way? Get in touch to see if we can help. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
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#117 Ian Marcus OBE – Senior Adviser, Eastdil Secured (RECAP)
03/20/2025
#117 Ian Marcus OBE – Senior Adviser, Eastdil Secured (RECAP)
This week we're taking you back for a re-cap on the Ian Marcus episode because it was that good. If you missed it the first time, here's your chance to catchup! Ian Marcus OBE – Senior Adviser, Eastdil Secured Ian is a graduate of the University of Cambridge having studied Land Economy. Since then, he has held roles at Bank of America, UBS, NatWest, Deutsche and Credit Suisse. He currently sits on the board of 12 companies – everyone from Eastdill Secured, Elysian Residences, Town Centre Securities PLC, Work.life, Shurguard Self-Storage along with a number of others outside the real estate world. I sat down with Ian to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How he got into real estate * People, People, People * Network & relationships * Risk aversion * Job selection criteria * Capital structures * Balancing 12 jobs! * Opportunities in the market * Favourite deals * Real estate heroes Oh, and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Ian would invest should he have £500m of equity at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Spotify, Apple and Youtube from Thursday this week. The People Property Place Podcast? is powered by Rockbourne. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? Link in the comments below #podcast #realestate #property #peoplepropertyplace
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#116 Jonathan Ivory, Chief Investment Officer at Packaged Living
03/13/2025
#116 Jonathan Ivory, Chief Investment Officer at Packaged Living
Jonathan Ivory is the Chief Investment Officer at Packaged Living where he leads on investment across all strategies. Jonathon is a member of The British Property Federation Build to Rent Sub-Committee, The Urban Land Institute Residential Council, Commercial Real Estate Finance Council Europe, Ministry of Housing Communities & Local Government Build to Rent Committee and a director of The UK Apartment Association. I sat down with Jonathan to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early career moves, muesing & reflections * The birth of the UK institutional PRS/BTR market * How Jonathan, alongside Ed and Mark, launched Packaged Living * Subsectors and product types - multifamily, single-family, and garden-style homes * Business model changes & need to be vertically integrated * The biggest challenges and 3 ideas for Rachel Reeves * Exclusive news… find out first about Packaged Living international expansion plans! Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Jonathan would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: Rod Lochart - CEO LendInvest - https://open.spotify.com/episode/6xB8F2GNUAky7GMIZRlXGn?si=pLDlzSlARTqfyC-fFgvzDw Ian Marcus - Senior Advisor Eastdill Secured - https://open.spotify.com/episode/4vHMFEIMe8xLmSJ0iA0LhH?si=e4828de1173f42da James Lock - Founder Rotation Real Estate - https://open.spotify.com/episode/0fnRxXZzdrNvWgQhm7enHC?si=dn0EezvjTm6phgzbMrMamQ Catherine Webster - CEO Thriving Investments - https://open.spotify.com/episode/6PRFdiSZh15qSugpDV3WXk?si=pJkA11ioQ3eH39aA683Sog Richard Croft - Founder Martley Capital - https://open.spotify.com/episode/3RBihWA63enwyaMLlumPE1?si=e1e4d13a35324e79 The People Property Place Podcast 🎙️ powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. See below a snap shot of some of the projects the team have completed: * Built a full development team from scratch for an international developer launching a new platform in the UK. * Completed a search for a COO/MD succession role, the most critical hire for a founder preparing for retirement within the next five years. * Successfully placed six professionals across finance, development, and investment for a well-capitalised, active value investor. * Successfully placed our 8th team member into a 12-person challenger brand - now that's a true partnership in action! * Assembled a three-person investment team for an active residential investor and developer. * Recruited a Head of Financial Modelling for a top investor/developer to enhance modelling, reporting, and decision-making to aid capital raising & deployment efforts. Struggling to hire top talent? Think there’s a better way? Get in touch to see if we can help. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
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#115 Peter Clayton, Property Finance at Leumi UK
03/06/2025
#115 Peter Clayton, Property Finance at Leumi UK
Peter Clayton leads Property Finance at Leumi UK, bringing nearly 20 years of real estate finance experience. Since joining in 2021, he has worked across all property sectors with a range of borrowers, from entrepreneurs to institutional investors and has dramatically expanded the firm's lending book, team size and capability. Previously, Peter held senior roles at Lloyds Banking Group and Santander UK. A Durham University Geography graduate, he started his career in the wine industry before transitioning to the real estate space. I sat down with Peter to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: Early career moves, reasons and learnings The role of clearing banks and their function and relevance in property finance. Understanding the cost of capitals impact on real estate finance and investment decisions. How Peter and the team have driven significant growth since joining Leumi Leumi’s USP – In an increasingly noisy market, how Leumi stand out The use of debt brokers and how they add value in structuring deals. Underwriting assets & sponsors - assessing credibility, business plans, and long-term viability. Why overlooked sectors like retail can still present strong opportunities for contrarian investors Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Peter would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like The powered by - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. See below a snap shot of some of the projects the team have completed: Built a full development team from scratch for an international developer launching a new platform in the UK. Completed a search for a COO/MD succession role, the most critical hire for a founder preparing for retirement within the next five years. Successfully placed six professionals across finance, development, and investment for a well-capitalised, active value investor. Successfully placed our 8th team member into a 12-person challenger brand - now that's a true partnership in action! Assembled a three-person investment team for an active residential investor and developer. Recruited a Head of Financial Modelling for a top investor/developer to enhance modelling, reporting, and decision-making to aid capital raising & deployment efforts. Struggling to hire top talent? Think there’s a better way? Get in touch to see if we can help.
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#114 James Scott, Co Founder and COO of Stories
02/27/2025
#114 James Scott, Co Founder and COO of Stories
James Scott is the Co Founder and COO of Stories, a purpose-led property development company that partners with landowners to deliver long-term social, economic and environmental outcomes. James' role is focused on product, strategy and marketing alongside the operational side of the business. He is an Alumni of Trinity College, Cambridge where he read mechanical engineering and he is a member of the UKGBC's Social Value task force. I sat down with James to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: · How he got into real estate · The high’s, lows, and lessons learned along the way · The biggest challenge right now · Stories Business model: Principal Developer, Development Manager, Strategic Advisory · What is true alignment with capital partners, developer, and asset owner · Creating a financially sustainable and viable business · Maximizing economic, social, and environmental impact for all stakeholders · Measuring success through the triple bottom line: economic, social, and environmental impact · Advice for those earlier in their journey · The future of Stories and what’s next Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place James would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙 powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
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#113 - Chris Hunt, Co-Founder & Director at V7 (RECAP)
02/20/2025
#113 - Chris Hunt, Co-Founder & Director at V7 (RECAP)
, Co-Founder of V7 joins me on the this week for a rerun. Chris is hilarious, and his passion for the business, team, work and clients really shines through in this conversation. I sat down with Chris back in 2023, and this episode was the first released on video, so go check it out on Youtube! V7 is a creative and forward-thinking asset and development management company, passionate about transforming mismanaged office buildings or sites into dynamic, highly sustainable service-led workspaces. Working with partners including institutional funds, family offices, private equity, and individual investors V7 add value to buildings by repositioning them in line with the very latest workplace trends and ESG credentials. Chris set the business up in 2015 alongside his co-founder Zak Veasey having worked at Cushman & Wakefield and Legal & General Investment Management. Chris is responsible for development management and investment day to day, and then V7’s business strategy, new concepts, marketing and growth. I sat down with Chris to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: How he got into Real Estate Recto fit Carbon offsetting Building Certification Business model evolution "Fight to quality" and "Hotelification of Offices" Strengths-based leadership Oh, and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Chris would invest should he have £500m of equity at his disposal? Catch the full episode which will be live on and from Thursday this week. The is powered by . Who do you want to see on the Podcast? Normal service on the pod will resume shortly (subject to no diary changes!)
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#112 Richard Croft CEO of Martley Capital Group (ROUND 2)
02/13/2025
#112 Richard Croft CEO of Martley Capital Group (ROUND 2)
CEO of joins me on the for ROUND 2. The first conversation I had with Richard, according to the stats, is the second most popular PPP episode to date... So, 11 months on from our first conversation I sat down with Richard to get the inside scoop on what the team have been working on, as well as his take on the current market... We spoke about: * His Predictions, Successes and Failures. * What does a Trump Presidency mean for UK real estate investment? * Real Estate Fractionalisation - different this time? * Is the Shed comeback on the cards? * Interest rates, inflation and a potential Real Estate Goldilocks situation? * The DEI & ESG agenda * Real Estate AI adoption and application * How HARD has this market actually been... * Of course, UK politics... And so much more... Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Richard would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which is live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! Links below in comments 👇🏻 The powered by - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers.
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#111 - Hugh Macdonald Brown, Co-Founder and CEO of Roebuck (RECAP)
02/06/2025
#111 - Hugh Macdonald Brown, Co-Founder and CEO of Roebuck (RECAP)
– Co-Founder & CEO of joins me on the this week for our re-released conversation. Hugh, or Macca, or 'Legend' as he goes by in our office, is full of energy and shares the realities of leaving a corporate job and setting out on the entrepreneurial path. Plenty of wins, but it hasn't been all smooth sailing... Hands down one of my favourite episodes to date, and the stats don't lie either - you loved it first time around too! Recorded in June 23, if you missed it then, be sure to check it out on your run, office commute or asset tour. is an an institutional grade pan-European real estate logistics investor who identify and create investment strategies across the risk spectrum, including core, core + and value add. Their current portfolio spans 7 countries, with more than 100 assets and a value in excess of €2.6bn. Hugh is a graduate of Cass Business School (now Bayes) and started his career at BNP Paribas – he has since transacted more than €3.25bn within the logistics sector and has key relationships with the key investors, occupiers, developers and lenders in all of Roebucks target markets. I sat down with Hugh to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: How he got into real estate Why he set up Roebuck The reality of starting a business Institutionalising the business IOS – Industrial Open Storage Growth plans And so much more... Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Hugh would invest should he have £500m of equity at his disposal. Out NOW wherever you get your podcasts. The is powered by - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. #realestate #podcast #property #privateequity #peoplepropertyplace
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#110 - Catherine Webster - CEO of Thriving Investments (RECAP)
01/30/2025
#110 - Catherine Webster - CEO of Thriving Investments (RECAP)
We think that this interview with Catherine was so good that we wanted to run it again to make sure you didn't miss it the first tome round! Formerly known as PfP Capital, Thriving Investments is a leading fund manager with a social conscience. The business already manages three living strategies totalling £700m and so far it has acquired and delivered 3,500 private rented sector and for-sale homes and has six regeneration projects under way, as it targets 20,000 homes over the next decade. Prior to joining Thriving Investments Catherine was an Executive Director – Strategy & Investment at Quintain and has previously held roles at Hudson Advisors and Lehman Brothers among others. Catherine has an MBA from INSEAD and is a graduate of the University of Reading. I sat down with Catherine to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How she got into real estate * Working across surveying, banking & private equity * Not being afraid to take a backward / sideways career move * Skill stacking * Turning capital wins into community gains * Advice for those early in their career * Building 20,000 homes in the next decade Oh, and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place would Catherine invest should she have £500m of capital at her disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Spotify, Apple and Youtube NOW! The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Who do you want to see on the Podcast? Link in the comments below 👇🏻 Spotify - Apple - Youtube - Podcast produced and edited by Matt Cook at
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#109 Samantha Kempe, Co-founder and Chief Investment Officer at IMMO
01/23/2025
#109 Samantha Kempe, Co-founder and Chief Investment Officer at IMMO
Samantha Kempe is the Co-founder and Chief Investment Officer at IMMO. She has c.20 years of real estate experience across private equity and corporate finance at Blackstone, PwC and Cushman & Wakefield. Her real estate acumen focuses on capital raising, acquisitions, portfolio management and the execution of both value-add asset management and workout strategies of direct real estate, and real estate loans for institutional investors. Sam is a Chartered Surveyor, MRICS in Real Estate Finance and Investment, and holds an MSc in Real Estate Investment (Distinction) and an MBA from London Business School. I sat down with Sam to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: Her unexpected journey into the real estate industry Key early career moves and pivotal experiences that shaped her path Why she set up IMMO, having undertaken an MBA The IMMO business model & competitive edge Building proprietary tech to power each part of the real estate investment management value chain Navigating the challenges of raising both VC capital and “real estate” capital Attracting top talent: challenges faced, lessons learned, and strategies for success New-build residential vs. retrofit European vs US market & size of the opportunity Identifying the current opportunity landscape in real estate Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Sam would invest should she have £500m of capital at her disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The powered by - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
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#108 Ryan Prince, Vice Chairman Realstar Group & Founder UNCLE
01/16/2025
#108 Ryan Prince, Vice Chairman Realstar Group & Founder UNCLE
Ryan Prince established Realstar's UK operation in 2002 and since this time the company has acquired and developed over £3B of assets, including a portfolio of 73 Holiday Inn hotels comprising of 13,000 rooms, over 6,000 rental residential and student accommodation assets and a national portfolio of primary healthcare centres. Most recently the company has created UNCLE - a new kind of rental housing brand. Rated #1 on Trust Pilot in the UK, UNCLE’'s mission is to offer 'renting as it should be'. From a standing start in 2017, UNCLE now has 12 locations open and under construction in London, Leeds and Manchester and through its joint venture with QuadReal, is seeking to at least double in size of the next 3-5 years. I sat down with Ryan to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: Early career moves & reason for moving to the UK Ditching venture and how he got into the real estate game His first real estate deal, and how he got the UK business off the ground Scaling Realstar to a £3bn 5000 unit UK business Ryan’s ‘strategyless’ approach to business Views on the UK housing targets & government Importance of brand in a commoditised world and the creation of UNCLE Approach to raising, and retaining capital partners Advice for those wanting to set up your own business Current market trends Future growth plans Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Ryan would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The is powered by - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers.
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#107 Iyngaran Muniandy, Head of Europe at Clear Sky Capital
01/09/2025
#107 Iyngaran Muniandy, Head of Europe at Clear Sky Capital
Iyngaran joined Clear Sky in late 2023 and serves as Head of Europe. He has 15 years of experience in both equity and structured finance across traditional and operational real estate. Prior to joining Clear Sky Capital, Iyngaran deployed over $3B worth of capital across Europe, APAC and US at prior firm, Macquarie Principal Finance. Previous to that, he was an Associate at Greenhill & Co and qualified as a Chartered Accountant with Ernst & Young whilst working in their Restructuring division. I sat down with Iyngaran to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: · Early career journey and the pivotal skills gained along the way · How he got into real estate sector · The nuances and discipline of balance sheet investing · Insights into principal investing vs investment management · The story behind Clear Sky Capital and how he joined · Opportunity set in the UK & European self-storage market · Strategic advantages of a vertically integrated business model · Why backing sectors with strong tailwinds often trumps contrarian investing · Why twice a year, he works as a receptionist in store. · Key skills top tier investors need to learn · Current market trends and his perspective on today’s real estate landscape Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Iyngaran would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
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#106 Guy Horne, Co-Founder & CEO of HSPG
01/02/2025
#106 Guy Horne, Co-Founder & CEO of HSPG
Guy co-founded HSPG in 2015 to provide high-quality accommodation for vulnerable people. As CEO, he leads fundraising and acquisitions, overseeing over £500m in investments in UK affordable housing. With a background as a Sales Analyst at RBS and launching Europe’s first digital property crowdfunding platform, Guy is a passionate entrepreneur focused on ventures with social impact. He holds a BSc in Mathematics from the University of Nottingham and has studied Real Estate Finance at MIT and completed an Executive MBA at Harvard Business School. I sat down with Guy to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: Breaking into real estate and scaling HSPG into an institutional-grade investment platform. Hiring, retaining, and developing top talent. Tackling affordable housing and homelessness through initiatives like Homeless Affordable Rent and Project Westminster, delivering 2,000 units in London. Partnering with institutional capital to create inflation-linked, long-term cashflows while delivering social impact. Lessons from scaling, "failing forward," and navigating challenges. Personal growth through music, yoga, and breathwork. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Guy would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
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#105 Max Bassadone, Co-Founder of Tokoro Capital
12/26/2024
#105 Max Bassadone, Co-Founder of Tokoro Capital
Max Bassadone is a Gibraltarian, but is of Italian and Austrian heritage. Prior to co-founding Tokoro, he obtained his investment experience at Brockton Everlast, Brockton Capital, Nuveen (formerly named TH Real Estate and TIAA) and Colliers International. He is a qualified Chartered Surveyor. I sat down with Max to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: How he got into real estate and his early career moves. Grit, determination, and focus needed to achieve goals. The story behind naming his business Tokoro and its meaning. Launching Tokoro in 2020 during the COVID-19 lockdown. Tokoro’s USP, approach to raising capital and generating alpha in real estate. Tokoro’s investment thesis: thematic style and fund structures. Social impact initiatives: becoming a B Corp and supporting 1% for the Planet. Attracting, empowering, and retaining talent through purpose-driven leadership. Current trends in capital markets and their impact on real estate allocation. Max’s vision for the future of Tokoro. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Max would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast is powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
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#104 Richard Pearce, Founder of TCN
12/19/2024
#104 Richard Pearce, Founder of TCN
Richard Pearce is the Founder of TCN, a leader in transforming buildings and communities into thriving spaces. Starting with a £185k loan, he built a business with 30 employees, £8m turnover, and a £120m portfolio. Over 20 years, he has led regeneration projects across the UK, including ventures with the BBC in White City and Bath Council to drive economic growth and job creation. A pioneer in the Flexible Workspace market, Richard has created a standout brand in the sector. He also founded The Curious Network, a platform connecting SMEs with each other and higher education to foster collaboration and innovation. Key takeaways from my chat with Richard: How he got into real estate & his early career moves How he built the foundations & skills to launch his own business – from management, valuation, leasing, investment, asset management and financial literacy How he launched TCN with a £185k loan, following a deal celebration meal Creating distinctive destinations with an emphasis on provocative branding & community How he took on a struggling construction company with 32 employees and successfully restructuring and repositioning it. Founding The Curious Network, a digital platform connecting SMEs and higher education, offering instant access to thousands of coworkers and opportunities. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Richard would invest should she have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The is powered by . The team recruits Leadership and future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors, and developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
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#103 Paradise - Visiting the Best-in-class Mass Timber Sustainable Workspace in London
12/12/2024
#103 Paradise - Visiting the Best-in-class Mass Timber Sustainable Workspace in London
This week on the we’re taking a slightly different approach… We’re heading to Paradise – a brand new development by & in SE11, Lambeth. This best-in-class mass timber office project spans 63,000 sq. ft. of sustainable workspace, is designed to lock away the equivalent of 60 years of tenant operating emissions, and is set to be completed in Q1 2025. Since joining forces with Sumitomo Forestry, Bywater Properties has been on an incredible growth journey, acquiring several office redevelopment projects across the UK and launching a brand new Living strategy. At , we’ve had the privilege of calling Bywater our clients, partners, and friends and have loved playing a small part in helping build their exceptional team. A few weeks ago, I packed up the podcast gear and sat down on-site at Paradise with , Co-Founder and COO, and , Head of Development. We delved into some of the key questions surrounding timber construction, sustainable building practices, embodied carbon, and how these trends are shaping investment, development, and leasing in the real estate sector. The full conversation drops on Thursday this week, on Youtube, Spotify & Apple. I hope you find our conversation insightful and inspiring! Do let me know your feedback by shooting me a DM. The is powered by . The team recruits Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors, and developers. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
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#102 Bella Peacock, Senior Managing Director at Greystar & Member of the European Leadership team
12/05/2024
#102 Bella Peacock, Senior Managing Director at Greystar & Member of the European Leadership team
Bella joined Greystar in 2014 as one of the first members of the new European business, where she was engaged with the platform's growth across the region. Today, she is responsible for asset execution across student and multifamily properties and leads the company’s Asset Management and Operations teams in Europe. Prior to Greystar, she worked in the residential real estate sector covering serviced apartments, PRS and BTR at Native where she was responsible for portfolio growth, investor relations and asset management. Bella started her career at The UNITE Group, having graduated from Oxford University where she studied Geography. I sat down with Bella to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How she got into real estate: Understanding her motivation and path into the property sector. * Early career moves: We explore the key transitions in her career * Joining a scale-up in the UK: Being one of the first 10 employees in the UK & reflecting on her role in helping establish Greystar’s UK business during its early days. * Managing diverse asset types: BTR, PBSA, and Co-Living—across various regulatory and geographic landscapes requires balancing Greystar’s global operating model with the specific demands and nuances of each local market. * Key considerations when onboarding a portfolio: Insights into the critical factors and strategies involved in bringing new portfolios into the business. * What excites her most: Discuss the trends or opportunities in real estate that she’s most passionate about. * Sabbatical experience: What she gained from her recent time away and how it shaped her outlook. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Bella would invest should she have £500m of capital at her disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast?? is powered by Rockbourne. The team recruits Leadership and future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors, and developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
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#101 Adam Goldin, Head of UK at CC Land
11/28/2024
#101 Adam Goldin, Head of UK at CC Land
This week I sit down with Adam Goldin, Head of UK at CC Land, the Hong Kong-listed real estate powerhouse. Adam oversees some of London’s most iconic real estate, including the Leadenhall Building (famously known as the Cheesegrater) and the Whiteley. Adam brings a wealth of experience from his previous roles, including Head of UK Investment at Resolution Property and eight years at Delancey, where he played a key role in transforming projects like East Village and the Elephant & Castle Shopping Centre redevelopment. I sat down with Adam to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Early Career Foundations – The pivotal experiences and key lessons that shaped his journey in real estate. * Transitioning from Advisor to Principal – Overcoming the challenges of shifting from advisory roles to principal investment positions. * The Whiteley Redevelopment – Insights into one of London’s most iconic building transformations. * Leadenhall Building (Cheesegrater) – managing customer relationships and improving the rental profile of this landmark London skyscraper. * Gut Feel vs. Spreadsheet – The balance between intuition and data-driven decisions in real estate investments. * Leveraging Social Media – Harnessing the power of digital platforms to build brand awareness and engage stakeholders. * Embracing Opportunism – Identifying and capitalising on real estate & career opportunities Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Adam would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The People Property Place Podcast 🎙 powered by Rockbourne - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
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#100 Elmar Schoonbrood, Co-CEO of Multi Corporation
11/21/2024
#100 Elmar Schoonbrood, Co-CEO of Multi Corporation
Elmar Schoonbrood was appointed Co-CEO of Multi Corporation in January 2022. He brings nearly two decades of experience in European real estate and debt markets. Prior to this, he served as Managing Director at Blackstone and has previously held roles at Oaktree Capital Management and Morgan Stanley. He holds an MA in Real Estate and a BA in Business Administration. I sat down with Elmar to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * How he got into real estate & early career moves * Navigating the intersection of e-commerce and traditional retail * Harnessing Data & AI for to create forward predicting decision making * Acquiring and revitalising Multi * Strategies for building and leading high-performing teams * Crafting a compelling vision and tracking progress with the team * Enhancing operational efficiencies for sustained growth * Driving value from the portfolio through development work * Personal sacrifices involved in establishing a business * Managing a €5bn real estate portfolio effectively Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Elmar would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The is powered by - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast?
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#99 Duncan Garrood, CEO of Empiric Student Property
11/14/2024
#99 Duncan Garrood, CEO of Empiric Student Property
Duncan Garrood, CEO of Empiric Student Property, a FTSE 250 company with a portfolio valued at over £1 billion, delivering premium accommodation to students across the UK. Duncan has a proven track record in transforming companies and driving customer-centric success. He’s led teams across various industries, including retail, pubs, hospitality, food and entertainment, always with a focus on delivering exceptional customer experiences and fostering motivated, high-performing teams. I sat down with Duncan to discuss a broad range of subjects which covered some of the following topics: * Career Foundations – The early experiences that shaped his leadership style. * Scaling Global Brands – His insights from taking brands international. * Turning Around Struggling Companies – The strategies behind reviving underperforming businesses. * Proving Doubters Wrong – His approach to overcoming challenges and silencing critics. * Navigating Complex Legislation – How he adapts strategies to meet government regulations. * Operational Excellence – Driving efficiencies in student accommodation cluster management. * What It Means to Be Truly Customer-Centric – Redefining customer-centricity in real estate. * Investing in Innovative Assets – Comparing cookie-cutter accommodations with boutique, character-driven designs. * UK Student Accommodation – Understanding supply vs. demand and market segmentation. Oh and one last question - who are the People, what Property, and in which Place Duncan would invest should he have £500m of capital at his disposal. Catch the full episode which will be live on Youtube, Spotify and Apple NOW! The is powered by - the team recruit Leadership & Future Leadership hires for Real Estate Funds, Owners, Investors & Developers. Who do you want to see on the Podcast? This podcast was recorded just before ESP held a successful 10% equity raise, to fuel the growth that Duncan refers to in the interview. #peoplepropertyplace #podcast #rockbourne #realestate
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