Next Comes What
Author Andrea Pitzer reveals what we can learn from the rise of strongmen around the world to thwart Trump and his allies.
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The Concentration Camp Tendency Goes Global
06/05/2025
The Concentration Camp Tendency Goes Global
The Trump administration is accelerating the concentration camp tendency worldwide, worsening conditions people are held in around the globe. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: This week, Andrea Pitzer looks at overseas expansion of the concentration camp tendency that sits at the heart of federal policy right now. This exclusion of whole groups from society is something the US is actively promoting overseas. By making plans to or actually sending people to Libya, South Sudan, El Salvador, and Panama, the current administration is creating an overseas network of concentration camps. As the US leads the way, problematic detention is being tipped over into more dangerous territory. Meanwhile, massive cuts to US aid globally are staggering international efforts to deal with political and economic crises abroad, including reducing rations in refugee camps in several countries. Andrea considers what everyday Americans can do at home and abroad, offering the example of Camden, Delaware, where community outcry ended a collaboration agreement between local police and ICE. Stick around for the details of a June 11 event at noon ET hosted by Harvard that you can sign up to attend virtually, where Andrea will be joined by former Kamala Harris policy advisor Ami Fields-Meyer and resistance-movement researcher Erica Chenoweth in conversation about ways irregular detention is expanding and how we can strengthen democracy. (Register here: https://ash.harvard.edu/events/concentration-camps-and-the-machinery-of-repression-lessons-for-saving-democracy/.)
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Why Dictators Love to Suspend Habeas Corpus
05/15/2025
Why Dictators Love to Suspend Habeas Corpus
The constitutional right that keeps you from disappearing—and why Trump wants to suspend it. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: What dives into the writ of habeas corpus and how it protects U.S. citizens and noncitizens alike. Andrea Pitzer considers Stephen Miller's comment that the administration would consider suspending habeas corpus depending on how U.S. courts rule on immigration cases underway now. She looks at how ruptures in these kinds of guarantees led to dictatorships lasting more than a decade in places like Chile and Nazi Germany. Turning to events closer to home, Andrea walks listeners through the times habeas corpus has been suspended in the U.S., and how battles over it dominated key cases in War on Terror detentions at Guantanamo. The establishment of military zones along the border and the arrest of Newark mayor Ras Baraka compound the issue of who gets to detain people and who gets to contest those decisions. Andrea closes by looking at what people are doing to take action, and what you can do, too.
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How to Keep Grifters from Stealing Your Soul
05/08/2025
How to Keep Grifters from Stealing Your Soul
Who really invents the world we all live in? We do. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: This week, Next Comes What considers the shell game played by dictators and billionaires alike, as they seek to gain power over humanity. Andrea Pitzer explores the new twist in the story of millionaire-turned-lifestyle-guru Bryan Johnson, who's now trying to found a new religion based on optimizing and preserving the human body. She considers the case of Nayib Bukele in El Salvador, who's trying to prevent people from learning details of the secret deals he made with gang members to make him look like an effective leader. Andrea looks at Donald Trump's attempt to likewise appear omnipotent in ways he is not. Then she turns to how AI is being pushed hard across the board in ways that make it difficult to avoid using. Each of the cases she reviews reveals powerful actors trying to make everyday people dependent or even helpless in the face of who really runs the world. But politicians ought to serve at the will of the people, and companies should provide technology that serves humanity instead of undermining it. The large mass of us, from ditch-diggers to artists, invent the world each day. We hold a power that we shouldn't surrender, despite those with bad motives trying their best to take it from us.
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How to Fight the Concentration Camp Tendency
04/29/2025
How to Fight the Concentration Camp Tendency
What matters more than money to Trump and his billionaire allies? Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: This week's episode looks at a common theme uniting the cruel policies of the second Trump administration: the concentration camp tendency, an attempt to remove whole groups of people from society. From the homeless to trans people and the mentally ill, from Black folks to immigrants, our current president is looking to erase people from daily life, or even to physically expel them from society altogether. Andrea Pitzer discusses this approach, in which groups not complying with an authoritarian's idealized society get excluded in a widening circle. As a country we've allowed a billionaire class to rise, one that preaches a gospel in which they should never be inconvenienced or interfered with, no matter what cost that has for others. Andrea looks back to a book on young children that explains this phenomenon and shows how even preschoolers can understand it. Yet we've let an exclusionary impulse capture the nation. It doesn't have to be that way, and we can stop it.
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How Antisemitism Warps — History's Most Flexible Weapon
04/24/2025
How Antisemitism Warps — History's Most Flexible Weapon
Hate cultivated over time becomes a tool to destroy everything, and it's happening in America today. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: This week's episode looks at the enduring bigotry of antisemitism, as well as how America's home-grown prejudices mirror and echo the damage done by antisemitism. Andrea Pitzer describes how the political usefulness of hatred of Jews in Europe became an all-encompassing conspiracy theory, in which Jews were both superhuman and defective, Marxists and capitalists. She traces how that conspiracy theory spread around the world. While the United States as a nation is much younger than these hatreds, the country has its own bigotries and exclusions that have been with us for centuries. Andrea looks at full citizenship and who gets excluded from it as a way to understand who gets demonized in America today. The Trump administration is binding all our conspiracy theories into one vast one, openly stoking hatreds to gain more power. The episode closes with ways to talk to people in your life who may be susceptible to these hateful (but for some, powerful) false narratives.
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Trump's Intolerable Acts
04/17/2025
Trump's Intolerable Acts
By sending immigrants to a gulag in El Salvador, Trump is trying to seize the power to silence any American he wants. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Do you have a question about a particular Next Comes What? Do you have more of a comment than a question you'd like to send in? Do you have a local or a national success story? Email your thoughts to nextcomeswhat at gmail dot com. You can write it. You might record it. You could even videotape yourself or your actions. ------ This week, Andrea Pitzer traces the arc of the kind of renditions the U.S. government is doing right now and looks at how a clean through-line exists from Nazi tactics to the methods used to disappear immigrants today. She explores why the U.S. is in such a dangerous moment, perhaps the most dangerous of the last half-century. The system of deportation and detention that Trump is trying to build parallels the use and structures of past concentration camps, and Andrea walks listeners through the similarities. Going back to the Declaration of Independence, a beautiful part of our flawed country has been the expansion of protection against arbitrary detention at the whim of a despot. It's worth standing up for. As always, at the end, Andrea includes suggestions about what actions to take, reminding everyone that there are many effective things they can do right now. Not being able to fix every crisis in a given moment doesn't mean you can't push back against the administration in countless concrete ways.
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How to Defy a Death Cult
04/11/2025
How to Defy a Death Cult
Trump's tariff mayhem fits a larger pattern. Death and destruction are the only things he's good at. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Do you have a question about a particular Next Comes What? Do you have more of a comment than a question you'd like to send in? Do you have a local or a national success story? Email your thoughts to nextcomeswhat at gmail dot com. You can write it. You might record it. You could even videotape yourself or your actions. ------ This week, Andrea Pitzer looks at how Trump's actions devolve to doing the maximum harm to the most people. She goes down to the National Mall to see how D.C. observed the Hands Off protests that were held around the country on April 5. She meets a mother and daughter who are descendants of a French Resistance fighter. They remind everyone that if you wait until an oppressive government is already targeting you to act, it may be too late. Andrea considers the rising death toll from various Trump decisions, including cutting off support in key regions for the World Food Program. Tying the administration's current efforts to punish nearly everyone it can to the idea of death cult, she considers the historical examples of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and cult leader Jim Jones. Andrea outlines how the American public got acclimated to mass death during the first Trump administration, when he launched the adversarial government response to Covid that would eventually deliver the deaths of more than a million Americans. The end of the episode outlines specific ways to fight back against the death cult seizing the country.
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Keeping Musk Rattled — Don't stop. It's working!
04/03/2025
Keeping Musk Rattled — Don't stop. It's working!
How taking on extreme wealth can fight the entire Trump agenda. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Do you have a question about a particular Next Comes What? Do you have more of a comment than a question you'd like to send in? Do you have a local or a national success story? Email your thoughts to nextcomeswhat at gmail dot com. You can write it. You might record it. You could even videotape yourself or your actions. ------ For this episode, Andrea Pitzer checks out a local protest last weekend just outside DC, where she considers who showed up and what effect protesting Elon Musk might have. Given the accelerating damage to Tesla's bottom line, Musk's public response, and mounting pressure on the administration to do something about him, these protests are a way for minimal public effort to have maximum impact. A look at the ongoing boycott against Target and buycott to support Costo reveals that these efforts by consumers seem to be having the desired effect as well. Andrea reviews brand new research on what was accomplished by Black Lives Matter, and it might surprise you. Despite all the backlash and racism about the movement, the protests seem to have worked most effectively in the heart of Trump country. The episode ends with a reminder about the protests nationwide planned for Saturday, April 5, aimed at protecting Medicaid, Social Security, libraries, and a lot more—while demanding civil rights for all.
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Not A Reality Show — Sooner or Later, We're All at Risk
03/27/2025
Not A Reality Show — Sooner or Later, We're All at Risk
A local community tackles Trump's destructive agenda and politicians who collaborate with it. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Do you have a question about a particular Next Comes What? Do you have more of a comment than a question you'd like to send in? Do you have a local or a national success story? Email your thoughts to nextcomeswhat at gmail dot com. You can write it. You might record it. You could even videotape yourself or your actions. ------ Andrea Pitzer returned to Roanoke, Virginia, where she spoke in the days after the 2024 election, to see how the community is organizing to protect itself against Trump. She visited the weekly Monday protest outside the downtown office of Congressman Ben Cline to find a collection of frustrated but energized people demanding answers. After the protest, over 100 locals attended an organizing meeting at the library, where Andrea spoke briefly about the many risks and opportunities facing all of us right now. This week's episode looks at parts of what she shared in that meeting, as well as the role of local action and learning to sit in the uncomfortable places where we might do the most good. Andrea explains how stability is contagious and finally answers the question of how to explain to others why they should care about other people.
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Time to Act — Fighting Ignorance While We Still Can
03/20/2025
Time to Act — Fighting Ignorance While We Still Can
The dismantling of our government has begun, which means fighting ignorance is critical. All of us are due for some education. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Do you have a question about a particular Next Comes What? Do you have more of a comment than a question you'd like to send in? Do you have a local or a national success story? Email your thoughts to nextcomeswhat at gmail dot com. You can write it. You might record it. You could even videotape yourself or your actions. This week's episode takes on what to do in the face of the ongoing lawlessness of the Trump administration. The courts are working to uphold their role; Congress is pretty inert for now. Yet even if both branches of government rise to meet the occasion by pushing back against the current administration, a lot will come down to us, to everyday people around the country. Andrea Pitzer talks about the weird dynamics created by online rage, and exactly how that nuclear-grade energy could be better used elsewhere. She considers the different kinds of ignorance we're facing and strategies for overcoming it. Building community groups and coalitions, understanding peoples' needs and what motivates them, and easing the suffering that's already been unleashed—addressing these harms will also help us get ready to take bigger actions as Americans.
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Why Protest Now — The #TeslaTakedown is a Great Start
03/14/2025
Why Protest Now — The #TeslaTakedown is a Great Start
Showing up in public can derail Trump's attempts to destroy the federal government. #TeslaTakedown is a great start. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: You can find a #teslatakedown protest here: In this week's episode, Andrea Pitzer tackles what protest can accomplish and covers the March 7 Stand Up for Science demonstration in DC. She notes that physical bodies gathered together to demand change remind the government who really runs the country, and explains how vital it is to exercise that right. Considering ways that even small or unfocused demonstrations play an important "basic training" role in developing skills and building a movement, Andrea analyzes how to add more strategic elements as numbers grow. The episode further explores picketing Tesla dealerships as an excellent approach in the current environment. Looking at America's past role in encouraging the ideals (though often not the actual practice) of democracy, Andrea outlines the moral vacuum left when those in the nation's capital decide to actively denounce democracy. We're entering dangerous territory. Solving the current crisis will likely come down to mass protests in the long run, and there's a lot we can do to make sure democracy wins.
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Do the Right Thing — Ukraine, Russia & How to Push Back
03/06/2025
Do the Right Thing — Ukraine, Russia & How to Push Back
Russia and America have more in common than their betrayal of Kyiv, and we need to push back on this shift. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: This week's episode of Next Comes What looks at the meeting between Donald Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy last week in light of Andrea Pitzer's previous experiences in Russia. She looks at what Trump and JD Vance were up to in the Oval Office, as well as recounting the morning she woke up in Moscow on a 2022 trip for book research to discover that Russia had invaded Ukraine. Andrea addresses how disinformation works, why it's short-sighted to condemn a whole identity as evil, and the ways Fox News plays to the worst impulses in citizens of both countries. Putin fans are cheering on what Trump did because in the end, both leaders have a similar view of how to govern and prefer a mafia state to any real democracy. Andrea offers some simple approaches for how to support Ukraine and stresses the need to recognize the way that we, too, are succumbing to competitive authoritarianism here in the US. We have to find ways to stop the destruction of our democratic institutions before there's nothing left of them to save.
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Jamming the Musk Machine — Effectively Tackling Authoritarianism
02/27/2025
Jamming the Musk Machine — Effectively Tackling Authoritarianism
Effective resistance is happening around the country, but it still needs you to work. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Summing up just one day of recent court rulings, Andrea Pitzer explores whether judges are being assertive in upholding the law against onslaughts from Donald Trump and Elon Musk. She explains why attacking Musk can be so effective and shares a few of the ways he's being strategically ridiculed. From demonstrations at Tesla dealerships to town halls—even where elected representatives don't show up—people are making their voices heard in ways that will build momentum. Andrea considers additional powerful examples from Nazi Germany and Hawaiian sugar plantations where those in terrible circumstances managed to throw sand in the gears of authoritarian or exploitative rule. The episode looks at the role of violence in structural change across a century of examples, and draws some working conclusions about how to build the biggest and most effective movement. Andrea finishes by giving you concrete ways to find a community of people willing to work with you, or even to get out a message on your own, to stall or stop the disintegration of democracy.
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2 Ways to Avoid an Authoritarian Abyss — Courts & Crowds Not Kings
02/21/2025
2 Ways to Avoid an Authoritarian Abyss — Courts & Crowds Not Kings
How the people and the courts will make or break American democracy under Trump 2.0. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: This week Next Comes What visits one of the dozens of "No Kings" protests around the country on Presidents Day and discovers just how unpopular Elon Musk has become. Talking with federal workers, concerned students, former Republicans horrified by Donald Trump's actions, and other everyday people, Andrea Pitzer finds out why demonstrators are showing up in greater and greater numbers. She dissects the roles that our courts and public protest can play in reestablishing U.S. democracy. Looking at why Congress is unlikely to resist Trump's attempts to steamroll its authority, Andrea considers the small steps all of us can take to begin smothering the extremism dismantling our country today.
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Trump's Time Bomb — Gitmo's Past Ticks into Our Next Nightmare
02/14/2025
Trump's Time Bomb — Gitmo's Past Ticks into Our Next Nightmare
How decades of abuse at Guantanamo undermined democracy and built a black hole of detention for Trump today. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: The latest Next Comes What episode takes on the "worst of the worst" mythology that Trump's cabinet used to justify sending immigrants to Guantanamo this month, and how this bucket of lies is no different than those that have been handed to the American public for years about the island. Andrea Pitzer talks about her own visits to Guantanamo a decade ago for pretrial hearings of detainees and to see the conditions of detention. She considers the ways in which falsehoods about people held there, torture undergone by detainees, and the very nature of whether the government can own memories have warped American justice under six presidents. Andrea traces how Gitmo's past has been seized on by Donald Trump to launch a new era of mass detention on the island. The issue concludes with the ways the administration's efforts to mislead have been undermined by journalists and everyday people, which court cases are already having an effect, and what you can do to help keep the steroidal twenty-first century expansion of this nightmare from becoming permanent.
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Incel Clown Posse — Seizing the Narrative from Musk and Trump
02/06/2025
Incel Clown Posse — Seizing the Narrative from Musk and Trump
Freedom--how does it work? By putting a stop-work order on Trump and Elon. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: This week, Next Comes What headed into DC to see what would happen in front of USAID headquarters the day Donald Trump and Elon Musk shut it down. Andrea Pitzer talked to workers protesting out front and to the politicians who held a media event to point out the harm Trump was inflicting on millions of the poorest and least powerful people in the world--and to the U.S. itself. She considers how much our democracy depends on Americans holding onto power by asserting their rights and speaking their minds in public. That means our elected officials, too. Andrea considers what we—and they—ought to be doing these days, and how a robocall she got from her congressman was a good first step to pushing back against the kind of authoritarian state Trump is trying to impose.
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Trump Corruption Overdrive — Who Pays? And How to Fight Back.
01/31/2025
Trump Corruption Overdrive — Who Pays? And How to Fight Back.
Trump isn't just pushing corruption to get a cut of the action--he wants to run the whole game. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Today's episode of Next Comes What looks at the 31 flavors of Trump's corruption and ways to block him. Andrea Pitzer shares her experiences observing corruption in Russia and explains how the Trump administration seems to be trying to catch up. She looks at the relationship between racism and corruption, then outlines the perils of our polluted information sphere (and how it got that way). She explores the corruption of the Supreme Court, of Republican legislators, and the office of the presidency itself, as well as laying out the straight-up grift that undergirds nearly everything Trump does. Summarizing a Carnegie Endowment report on how people around the world have fought corruption in recent decades, she notes the difficulty of ridding a country of it once tipping points have been reached. Andrea then points to effective means of keeping corruption at bay or rolling it back on a local level, many of them available to you in your community.
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Freezing Trump Out -- Lessons for a Grim Time
01/24/2025
Freezing Trump Out -- Lessons for a Grim Time
A cold day in hell on the streets of DC as the city shows us how to handle Trump. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Today's episode of Next Comes What is a report from the nearly empty streets of DC, a tale of two cities, one of which snubbed DonaldTrump. Andrea Pitzer goes to Capitol Hill and Capital One Arena, talking to those visiting town for the inauguration. She finds pattern in the rhetoric served up to her by supporters of Trump and discovers the cold heart of his support. Andrea attends a Martin Luther King Jr. memorial at Metropolitan AME church, and hears Al Sharpton spin a very different story about America. She compares the two visions of the future on offer then runs into a tiny four-person protest of students who have come to the city with handmade cardboard signs. Looking at the executive orders announced later the same day, she points to a path forward in the grim era that has now begun.
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A Better Way to Take On Trump 2.0 — Inauguration Episode
01/17/2025
A Better Way to Take On Trump 2.0 — Inauguration Episode
What to expect when you're expecting an authoritarian. Our inauguration episode. that inspired this episode. to support Next Comes What This episode of Next Comes What is about how to manage the next four years, starting from Day One. Andrea Pitzer discusses the amazing ways that countries around the globe in danger of losing democracy are trying to save themselves right now, the new dangers that the twenty-first century presents to those facing authoritarianism, and some of the most effective ways to confront the threat barreling down on us. She looks at heroic examples in Poland, Myanmar, Brazil, and South Korea, as well as times when everyday Americans have helped change the U.S. into the country they wanted it to become. And she outlines the very real risk, if we're not careful, of people on the left falling into an existence just as removed from reality as the one adopted by MAGA on the right. And she explains how to stay engaged during the crisis now confronting us.
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How Authoritarians Abuse and Use the Homeless
01/10/2025
How Authoritarians Abuse and Use the Homeless
Homelessness has long been used to criminalize suffering and expand detention. that inspired this episode. to support Next Comes What. Today's episode of Next Comes What is about the relationship between homelessness and concentration camps around the globe, as well as a close look at those living without a home in America today. Andrea Pitzer explains how homelessness has historically been used as a political weapon to expand detention for other groups of civilians. She recounts how Mussolini, Hitler, and even Herbert Hoover went to war against the homeless between World War I and World War II, and narrates the terrible worldwide legacy of their actions. In the second half of the episode, she interviews Brian Goldstone, the author of the forthcoming book , which tells the story of five families who are all part of Atlanta's Black working homeless population. Goldstone lays out the violence that consigns people to homelessness, and discusses with Andrea the concrete ways listeners can take action to secure housing for everyone currently without it — and keep those of us who are lucky enough to have it from losing it.
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Why Determination Beats Inspiration
12/31/2024
Why Determination Beats Inspiration
Not everything will go wrong. Some thoughts for the New Year. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Today's episode of Next Comes What is about finding holiday joy even in bleak times. In preparation for the New Year and a new administration coming in, Andrea Pitzer recounts how people in extreme conditions in the past held religious services, celebrated feasts, and even set up circus performances. She considers stories of Arctic explorers celebrating Twelfth Night or turning their clothes inside out to bring good luck in the New Year, with little possibility that they would survive the winter. Even presidents who tried to do the right things historically have often failed in their efforts. Andrea looks at actions by Jimmy Carter and Harry Truman that were undone by their political foes. And yet—just as in the camps and in the High Arctic—not everything that could have gone wrong did. She makes a plea for determination over inspiration and hopes that everyone might choose to embrace their agency in 2025.
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The Power of the Quiet Voice
12/24/2024
The Power of the Quiet Voice
From years of teaching self defense and martial arts, some tips for difficult holiday conversations. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: Apple Podcasts: Spotify: Those times you want to punch somebody over holiday dinner, but you don’t? Andrea Pitzer is here to say “Well done” and to give you some options between starting World War III and just enduring nasty rhetoric. In this short holiday-themed episode of Next Comes What, Andrea talks about the years she spent teaching martial arts and self defense and offers ideas for fraught conversations when you’re more interested in getting your point across than winning. From the power of reaching people with the quiet voice to minding your footwork and not wasting your energy, here’s hoping you can enter 2025 with no hangovers, no arrest record, and no regrets.
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Somebody To Hate
12/20/2024
Somebody To Hate
Defending immigrants from camps and chaos This week's episode traces the ties between immigrants and concentration camp history then turns to an immigration expert to discuss what Trump will do next. Andrea Pitzer dives into the past of a centuries-old law used to lock up foreigners in America—the very law Trump allies hope will expedite mass deportation. Then she talks about the situation on the ground with Aaron Reichlin-Melnick of the American Immigration Council, who describes Trump's plans for the coming months and the big obstacles to executing them. They offer concrete ways the public can help at-risk immigrants, from volunteering with the Council itself to passing laws in their own communities. Read to support Next Comes What.
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We've Tried Nothing (and We're All Out Of Ideas)
12/13/2024
We've Tried Nothing (and We're All Out Of Ideas)
People have organized in hard times before. There's almost always something that can be done. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Apple Podcasts: Spotify: This episode looks at what regular people can do when a government aims to actively oppress those it’s meant to serve. Andrea Pitzer discusses ways individuals have come together in the face of repressive measures to build community and protect the most vulnerable. Looking at examples from Myanmar to Soviet Russia and Chile, she finds commonalities in very different settings. Then turning toward America, she shows how simple yet extraordinary resistance has a history going back to before the end of the Revolutionary War. Taking a trip this month to Roanoke, Virginia, to be part of one woman’s attempt to organize her city, Andrea outlines the community’s strong response and offers an adaptable blueprint for anyone who wants to do the same in their hometown.
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How Humor Can and Can't Fight Authoritarianism
12/06/2024
How Humor Can and Can't Fight Authoritarianism
Humor as a weapon in oppressive states. Read the post that inspired this episode: Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer’s Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What: This episode looks at how humor works in resisting strongmen and the ways comedy might be a useful tool against the next administration. Andrea Pitzer considers why dictators (and wannabes) are vulnerable to mockery and explores examples from Syria to Serbia--including some from America's own past. In a political universe that's been repeatedly infiltrated by entertainers (Reagan, Ventura, Trump, and more!), it's worth asking whether satire works differently these days. Andrea finds success stories and cautionary tales as she sketches the limits, risks, and untapped potential of jokes. Outlining the ways the temptations of cynical humor might divide us from the very people whose help we need to make real change, she asks questions about who gets to be in on the joke in a democracy.
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Who Are the Baddies?
11/29/2024
Who Are the Baddies?
Why propaganda works and how we fight it This episode looks at evil in the world and how the stories people hear shape their political thinking. Andrea Pitzer considers the horrors of governments running concentration camps, and her encounters with people who insist that one group of perpetrators is supremely evil in ways other humans could never be. From Germans to Russians, Palestinians to Israelis, and even Americans, she asks listeners to consider the power of narrative in shaping hatred. Using the viral is-it-blue-and-black-or-is-it-white-and-gold debates about The Dress a decade ago, Andrea talks about the persuasive worldviews that lead people to abandon reality and her own experience growing up immersed in a delusional perspective. She addresses the commitment that moneyed, powerful interests have in building these narratives as a distraction—one that further isolates and divides the public, the better to fleece it. She closes with why this process isn’t inevitable and how you can shore up the country and the world to resist it.
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America Goes Rogue -- And How We Come Back
11/22/2024
America Goes Rogue -- And How We Come Back
In our second episode, we consider where we're headed with a rogue president in charge of a rogue state. We take a look back at how people stood up against torture after 9/11 and show how everyday Americans are already defying Trump allies this week. Andrea Pitzer returns to a longtime source, Mark Fallon, who was at one time NCIS chief of counterintelligence for Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. In the months after 9/11, Fallon worked to stop the torture program at Guantanamo in its early development, later going public to denounce the U.S. embrace of illegal methods. When she first talked to him almost a decade ago, Fallon told her that the torture program had turned the U.S. into a rogue state, and that accountability would be required to return the country to democracy. In light of Trump's willingness to ignore the rule of law both domestically and abroad in ways far beyond most U.S. presidents, Andrea considers what it means to have a shameless executive in charge of a rogue state and how we might follow Fallon's example by standing up in the face of unethical or illegal activities. She offers a heartening early example from Oklahoma of people doing just that.
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How We Survive This Mess
11/14/2024
How We Survive This Mess
From the moment election results started rolling in, people have been wondering how bad life will get during a second Trump Administration. A decade ago, Andrea Pitzer went around the world to talk to people who had survived authoritarian rule, in order to write the first comprehensive history of concentration camps, ONE LONG NIGHT. In this first episode of Next Comes What, recorded three days after the election, she talks about different ways that authoritarians have come to power, how Trump's rise relates to them, the real danger we're now in, some good news about why it won't all go the way Trump is planning, four areas where we'll likely see aggressive measures in January 2025, and a long list of ways (large and small!) for you to use the next two months to protect yourself and help preserve democracy.
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