UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons
In our culture today, the acceleration of new ideas, technologies, trends and headlines coming our way can be overwhelming. We need a place to think well about the changing landscape of our world. UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons helps people of faith navigate this chaos and confusion with clarity and conviction. In a complicated cultural moment, Christians should be equipped with timeless wisdom, offering hopeful solutions to those looking for answers. Undercurrent is a series of monologues that introduce new ideas, content and resources to equip you with cultural discernment. The acceleration of cultural change is not going to end, but how we apply wisdom from the unchanging truth of scriptures can be our guide. Listen to find out. Gabe Lyons is the Founder and President of THINQ Media, and bestselling author of multiple books on faith and culture.
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Are We Ready for General AI? Insights from NVIDIA's Roger Bringmann
05/01/2025
Are We Ready for General AI? Insights from NVIDIA's Roger Bringmann
In this episode of UnderCurrent, Gabe sits down with Roger Bringmann, a veteran engineer from NVIDIA, as they delve into the fascinating world of artificial intelligence. From its historical roots to its rapid evolution, Roger offers insights into the critical role A.I. plays in modern technology and the ethical dilemmas we face moving forward. Explore how A.I. can enhance our lives while presenting challenges that require discernment and wisdom. In a rapidly changing landscape, how can we, as stewards of both technology and faith, navigate these advancements to ensure they align with our values and their intended purpose? This is a thought-provoking discussion that calls forth a deeper understanding of what it means to harness technology responsibly. Follow Gabe on Twitter: Instagram: More from Gabe at: MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎Watch Gabe’s THINQ talks here: , including "What A.I. Wants" () and "You and A.I." () ➡︎Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: ➡︎Apply the THINQ Framework as you think through cultural topics: ➡︎Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: ➡︎Lead the “Let’s Talk Relationships” conversation with your family or small group: ===================================================================== ➡︎Sign up for THINQ Summit 2025 October 2-4 in Nashville, TN: ===================================================================== More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: ➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: ➡︎NextUp with Grant Skeldon: ➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson:
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Resisting the New Abortion Movement with Lila Rose
04/17/2025
Resisting the New Abortion Movement with Lila Rose
In this episode, Gabe sits down with Lila Rose, founder of Live Action, a human rights non-profit with a mission "to defend the rights of the most vulnerable and make abortion unthinkable." In this inspiring interview, Lila shares her remarkable journey starting as a teenager driven by a deep conviction for life. They discuss the cultural battle over abortion, legislative wins like the Life at Conception Act, and the importance of pro-family policies in our society. Watch this vital conversation as Lila emphasizes the need for bold storytelling to change hearts and minds and culture. Follow Lila Rose on Instagram: Facebook: Twitter/X: / Support Live Action: Follow Gabe on Twitter: Instagram: More from Gabe at: MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎Watch Gabe’s THINQ talks here: ➡︎Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: ➡︎Apply the THINQ Framework as you think through cultural topics: ➡︎Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: ======================================================================== ➡︎Sign up for THINQ Summit 2025 October 2-4 in Nashville, TN: ======================================================================== More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: ➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: ➡︎NextUp with Grant Skeldon: ➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson:
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The Battle Against the Biomedical Security State with Dr. Aaron Kheriaty
03/27/2025
The Battle Against the Biomedical Security State with Dr. Aaron Kheriaty
In this interview, Gabe Lyons sits down with psychiatrist Dr. Aaron Kheriaty to discuss the emerging threats of censorship and surveillance in our increasingly digital world. From his experiences as a psychiatrist and a legal challenger against vaccine mandates, Dr. Kheriaty shares insights on the ethical implications of our current biomedical security state. They delve into the importance of informed consent, the ramifications of government overreach, and the crucial need for moral courage in a landscape that is often clouded by fear. Read Aaron's Substack: and his latest book The New Abnormal, Rise of the Biomedical Security State: Follow Gabe on Twitter: Instagram: More from Gabe at: MORE RESOURCES: Watch Aaron's THINQ talks here: Gabe's interview with Mattias Desmet: ➡︎Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: ➡︎Apply the THINQ Framework as you think through cultural topics: ➡︎Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: ➡︎Participate in Let's Talk Tech Detox: ➡︎Bring the 28-Day Digital Fast to your family, workplace, or church: =================================================================== ➡︎Sign up for THINQ Summit 2025 October 2-4 in Nashville, TN: =================================================================== More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: ➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: ➡︎NextUp with Grant Skeldon: ➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson:
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From Fear to Control: The Psychology Behind Totalitarianism with Mattias Desmet
03/13/2025
From Fear to Control: The Psychology Behind Totalitarianism with Mattias Desmet
Join us for a thought-provoking conversation with Dr. Mattias Desmet, a clinical psychologist and author of The Psychology of Totalitarianism. In this episode, we delve deep into his groundbreaking theory of mass formation, which reveals the psychological mechanisms at play during societal crises, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. Follow Mattias on Twitter: / and buy his book, The Psychology of Totalitarianism: Follow Gabe Lyons on Twitter: Instagram: More Gabe Lyons at: MORE RESOURCES: The De-Souling of the World: Mattias' THINQ talks: ➡︎Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: ➡︎Apply the THINQ Framework as you think through cultural topics: ➡︎Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: ➡︎Participate in Let's Talk Tech Detox: ➡︎Bring the 28-Day Digital Fast to your family, workplace, or church: =================================================================== ➡︎Sign up for THINQ Summit 2025 October 2-4 in Nashville, TN: =================================================================== More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: ➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: ➡︎NextUp with Grant Skeldon: ➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson:
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How IVF Harms Children with Katy Faust
02/27/2025
How IVF Harms Children with Katy Faust
Join us for an eye-opening discussion with Katy Faust, Founder and President of Them Before Us, as we delve into the pressing issue of child rights and the challenges children face in today's world. In this insightful interview, Katy draws from her extensive research and advocacy work to highlight the need for a child-first perspective in politics and society, addressing topics like fertility, family structure, and the implications of modern reproductive technologies. Discover how the redefinition of marriage and the commodification of children are reshaping our understanding of family and human dignity. As we navigate these complex issues, Katy encourages us to remember our responsibility as Christians to protect and advocate for the most vulnerable among us: our children. Them Before Us: Follow Katy Faust on Instagram: and at her website: Get Katy's books here: Follow Gabe Lyons on Twitter: Instagram: More Gabe Lyons at: MORE RESOURCES: Check out more from Katy on : IVF Executive Order: ➡︎Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: ➡︎Apply the THINQ Framework as you think through cultural topics: ➡︎Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: ➡︎Participate in Let's Talk Tech Detox: ➡︎Bring the 28-Day Digital Fast to your family, workplace, or church: ======================================================================= ➡︎Sign up for THINQ Summit 2025 October 2-4 in Nashville, TN: ======================================================================= More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: ➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: ➡︎NextUp with Grant Skeldon: ➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson:
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A Rockstar’s Take on Wokism with John Cooper
02/14/2025
A Rockstar’s Take on Wokism with John Cooper
In this installment of UnderCurrent, Gabe sits down with Skillet frontman John Cooper to discuss the state of the country, politics, and the changes our country has seen over the past few decades. John uses his fluency in culture to help us understand what questions we need to be asking to better engage this moment. This Land Is Your Land history: Follow John Cooper on: Twitter: Instagram: Facebook: His Website: Follow Gabe Lyons on Twitter: Instagram: More Gabe Lyons at: MORE RESOURCES: ➡︎Create a free THINQ Account and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at: ➡︎Apply the THINQ Framework as you think through cultural topics: ➡︎Attend THINQ events where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: ➡︎Participate in Let's Talk Tech Detox: ➡︎Bring the 28-Day Digital Fast to your family, workplace, or church: ================================================================== ➡︎Sign up for THINQ Summit 2025 October 2-4 in Nashville, TN: ================================================================== More from the THINQ Podcast Network: ➡︎Rhythms for Life with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons: ➡︎The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips: ➡︎NextUp with Grant Skeldon: ➡︎NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson:
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Social Contagions and Tipping Points with Malcolm Gladwell
01/30/2025
Social Contagions and Tipping Points with Malcolm Gladwell
In this episode of UnderCurrent, Gabe Lyons sits down with renowned author Malcolm Gladwell to discuss the evolution of Malcolm’s work and study of social contagions and tipping points. They delve into the significance of what Malcolm calls “overstories”, discuss the failure of the education system, share valuable insights for leaders navigating today's dynamic cultural landscape, and more. Resources Check out , including his latest title, . and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at . Apply the as you think through cultural topics. where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: Participate in . Bring the 28-Day to your family, workplace, or church. Sign up for October 2-4 in Nashville, TN. More from the THINQ Podcast Network:
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Enduring Hope | Season 2, Ep. 11
11/15/2023
Enduring Hope | Season 2, Ep. 11
In this last episode of Season 2, Gabe reflects on the mounting crisis in our world and how the tectonic plates of history seem to be moving. He uses the THINQ Framework to help us consider our response as Christians. Gabe encourages us to ask thoughtful questions like: Have we become too dependent on the current structures and systems? Have we lost touch with the way God has designed us to function—to create, to cultivate? The answers we come to might be uncomfortable, but necessary. Listen in and see how, no matter what, we can walk in God’s truth and create a contagious hope that ignites change in our homes and across our communities. Links to Learn More and Take Action: Create conversations that lead to wisdom about . Grow your cultural discernment: Create a and view the series. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X and visit .
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Grid Down Scenario | Season 2, Ep. 10
10/31/2023
Grid Down Scenario | Season 2, Ep. 10
Within the last year in the United States, we’ve seen an alarming rise in substation attacks and cyberattacks. We’ve seen paralyzing and deadly power outages due to tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, heat waves, and deep freeze. We’ve even seen an intelligence-stealing Chinese spy balloon traverse the country before being shot down. It seems our country’s vulnerabilities are becoming more and more exposed, but what are we doing about it? Tune in to hear Gabe and grid-down expert William R. Forstchen tackle the gravity of this issue and what we can do as individuals and as the Church to best prepare for unexpected and unpredictable situations. Links to Learn More and Take Action: Watch my THINQ Conversation with Dr. William R. Forstchen: . Grow your cultural discernment: Create a and view the series. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X and visit .
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Fighting Eugenics | Season 2, Ep. 9
10/24/2023
Fighting Eugenics | Season 2, Ep. 9
The practice of eugenics may cause you to conjure up the evil by-gone era of Hitler and Nazi Germany in World War II, but you might be surprised to learn about a new era of eugenics currently happening in America and around the world. In this episode, Gabe gets underneath the clever vernacular some are using to cloak a more contemporary—but no less unethical—eugenics, like “modern genetics,” “gene therapy,” and “transhumanism.” He reveals how people are essentially playing God to create a “perfect” humanity but are, instead, manipulating God’s original and perfect design. Tune in to get informed and think well about what this means for our human flourishing. Links to Learn More and Take Action: Watch my THINQ Conversation with Dr. Aaron Kheriaty: . Learn more about Transhumanism through my conversation with Dr. John Lennox: . Understand why eugenics is racism: . To explore a fictional future where genetic modification goes wrong, read by P.D. James. Read 20th century predictions in by C.S. Lewis, by Aldous Huxley or by George Orwell. Read my HuffPost blog . Read this New York Times article reporting 90% of children born with Down syndrome are aborted: . Read more about 23andMe selling genetic data to pharmaceutical companies: . Continue to grow your cultural discernment: Create a and view the series. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X and visit .
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Food and Farming | Season 2, Ep. 8
10/17/2023
Food and Farming | Season 2, Ep. 8
You may not see it or feel it directly (yet), but food insecurity is on the rise across the world, which raises significant sourcing and sustainability questions. In this episode, Gabe prompts us to consider our current food systems—who’s growing our food, where they’re growing it, how they’re growing it—and our dependence on it all. Tune in to hear Gabe and several agricultural experts discuss what we and the local church can do to make food more accessible and affordable for our families and our communities. Links to Learn More: Leverage Gabe’s on building resilience. Watch , by Jason Streubel, Sr. Director of Agriculture, Convoy of Hope. Watch Gabe's THINQ conversation with Joey Lankford, Executive Director of Cul2vate, and Darren Whitehead, Lead Pastor of Church of the City: .
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Lessons from the Amish | Season 2, Ep. 7
10/10/2023
Lessons from the Amish | Season 2, Ep. 7
How can the wisdom of the past inform the future? In this episode, Gabe takes a closer look at what some have dismissed as the “old-fashioned” practices of the Amish community. In all our progress and modernity, he calls us to consider the lessons we can learn from the simplicity, resiliency, and sustainability of traditional Amish ways. Listen and think well about what it takes to build a life in which big innovations and technology don’t disrupt or devalue the priorities of community and family. Links to Learn More and Take Action: Create conversations that lead to wisdom about . Watch Gabe’s recent talk on artificial intelligence: by Donald B. Kraybill Watch Gabe’s THINQ Conversation with Donald Kraybill: . by Andy Crouch by Wendell Berry. Learn the benefits of local credit unions: . , Join Gabe and Rebekah at Nov. 16-17.
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Build Resilience| Season 2, Ep. 6
10/03/2023
Build Resilience| Season 2, Ep. 6
As Christians, how do we operate with hope and wisdom in a world that's changing before our very eyes? What steps can we take to remain steadfast and faithful? Gabe reminds us of that patient endurance requires building a resilient and sustainable parallel and points us to the practical steps we can take. As the season turns towards a hopeful way forward, you’ll be encouraged to consider your role in living a countercultural life, including implementing alternative education, assessing your health and food supply chain—even consideration on what role the Church may play in any emergency situation that presents itself. Listen as Gabe outlines seven countercultural ways we can flourish and function as free-will human beings in these changing times. Access the resources below to think well and take action within your church and community. Links to Learn More: - Gabe Lyons – Gabe Lyons - Rebekah Lyons - Suzanne Phillips – Suzanne Phillips - Jordan Rubin - Joey Lankford and Darren Whitehead - William Forstchen For more on this and other topics from THINQ Media, visit to create a and view the series. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at .
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The Mechanisms | Season 2, Ep.5
09/26/2023
The Mechanisms | Season 2, Ep.5
Are new global governance systems making us safer or simply more surveilled and controlled? Gabe shines a light on three global mechanisms seemingly designed to protect us and make our lives more convenient: Digital ID, Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC), and the Environmental, Social, Governance Score (ESG). Learn how these mechanisms are designed and how, with full implementation, they will create more controls that could restrict your freedom to move, buy and borrow. Listen and get empowered to opt out, create friction against their full adoption, and build a sustainable parallel. Links to Learn More: , including how to Build the Parallel and Create Friction. For more on this and other topics from THINQ Media, visit to create a and view the series. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at .
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The Controllers | Season 2, Ep. 4
09/19/2023
The Controllers | Season 2, Ep. 4
What kind of world do you want to live in? Does your vision for the future align with the vision and desired outcomes that global bureaucrats have for your future? Does shutting down family farms, deeming abortion a human right, prescribing mandatory medicines, and defining for us what is and isn’t misinformation reflect the values and vision you have for your family and community? In this episode, Gabe digs below the surface of three global institutions—United Nations, World Health Organization, and World Economic Forum. Listen in as he reveals how the “goals” this lockstep enterprise has set for our global wellbeing have somehow turned into self-serving policy and regulation backed by billions of dollars. Links to Learn More: Watch , an originator of The Great Barrington Declaration Download and share Gabe’s For more resources on building resilient and sustainable systems in your local community visit . For more on this and other topics from THINQ Media, visit to create a and view the series. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at .
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Global vs. Local | Season 2, Ep. 3
09/12/2023
Global vs. Local | Season 2, Ep. 3
Global organizations are seemingly designed to coordinate action and centralize control. On the surface, that sounds ideal—even simple. But what’s really underneath the issue? What are the true effects of globalism? Does global governance create more or less freedom? Listen in as Gabe uncovers the history and nuance of the 21st century global governance enterprise and its implications for free-willed people in local communities. You’ll be encouraged to assess your reliance on these systems and to consider what opportunities exist to create alternatives. For more resources on building resilient and sustainable systems in your local community visit . See more on George Washington’s use of the phrase from Micah 4:4. For more on this and other topics from THINQ Media, visit to create a and view the series. Download and share Gabe’s . Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at .
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Church vs. State | Season 2, Ep. 2
09/05/2023
Church vs. State | Season 2, Ep. 2
Did you know the role of government is to be a minister? In Romans 13, Paul clearly lays out what governments are meant to do on behalf of God: punish evil and reward good. But many people today passively interpret this teaching, believing we should submit to whatever the government says. Listen in as Gabe calls us to a deeper conversation and scriptural understanding of the government and technocracy by asking critical questions: How do we operate within a government that seeks to control the people? How can Christians honor authority and yet continue to practice freedom? How can we be counter-cultural and live in patient endurance? Learn more at : Download and share Gabe’s Watch our series to hear multiple perspectives on how the relationship between God and government should play out in a free society. Create a and view the series. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and X, and visit his website at .
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Control vs. Freedom | Season 2, Ep. 1
08/29/2023
Control vs. Freedom | Season 2, Ep. 1
The headlines would tell us the epic battle playing out in the U.S. is between right and left, liberal and conservative. But in this episode, Gabe gets underneath the real battle—the struggle between control and freedom. Applying the THINQ Framework, Gabe implores us as a free-willed people to pay attention and understand the times. He explains what’s required for us to have true freedom and reminds us to consider the unique history and nuance of our unalienable rights outlined in the Declaration of Independence. For a deeper dive, tune in next week for Ep. 2: Control vs. Freedom, Pt. 2. Learn more at : Create a and view the series as well as the talk, in which Dave Zanotti, CEO of The American Policy Roundtable, discusses the difference between a democracy and a republic with political scientist and philosopher William B. Allen. Follow @gabelyons on Instagram and Twitter or visit his website at .
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Understanding the Technocracy | Episode 5
05/02/2023
Understanding the Technocracy | Episode 5
How will the merging of technology, currency, biometrics and surveillance change how we live? The coming technocracy is closer than you think—in fact, you are helping build it. In the conclusion of Season One, Gabe sets the stage for the future before us, encouracing Christians to consider where to draw moral and ethical lines and begin building resilient communities. Paul Kingsnorth | Minxin Pei | Yuval Noah Harari | President Joe Biden's on Biotechnology and Biomanufacturing
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Who Can You Trust? | Episode 4
04/25/2023
Who Can You Trust? | Episode 4
We are experiencing a crisis of trust. Citizens no longer know where to go or who to listen to for credible information. Misinformation, polarization and self-censorship are a few of the consequences when belief begins to deteriorate. In this episode, Gabe looks at how to respond, puts cancel culture on the hot seat and engages Malcolm Gladwell on how the Christian practice of forgiveness can be an antidote to our growing vitriol for those with whom we disagree. You can follow Gabe on Instagram and Twitter: @gabelyons or visit his website at Sources mentioned this episode: Neil Postman | Building a Bridge to the 18th Century
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My Letter to Christian Leaders | Episode 3
04/18/2023
My Letter to Christian Leaders | Episode 3
In our complicated cultural moment, Christians need to to offer hopeful solutions to society’s most pressing questions. In this episode, Gabe Lyons gets personal, reading a private letter he was compelled to write and send to 200 Christian leaders. Now he’s inviting all of us to listen in and consider the urgency of the moment, including the Seven Ways the Church Can Lead. Read the letter here: Is your church looking to host dialogue on current issues? Learn more about what we offer at You can follow Gabe on Instagram and Twitter: @gabelyons or visit his website at .
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Build the Parallel | Episode 2
04/18/2023
Build the Parallel | Episode 2
Creating an alternative future, built on timeless wisdom, will be essential for people to understand they have a choice other than being viewed and treated as a machine. Listen in as Gabe explores what it will take to create and cultivate parallel structures brimming with life and meaning. You will hear historical and modern day examples of how leaders build the parallel and the important role we each get to play. You can follow Gabe on Instagram and Twitter: @gabelyons or visit his website at . Sources mentioned this episode: Vaclav Havel | The Power of the Powerless
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Man as Machine | Episode 1
04/18/2023
Man as Machine | Episode 1
Two distinct futures lay before us and we will all need to make a choice. Which will you choose? In this first episode Gabe provides a helpful framework for understanding one future from the Church and history have been long warning us against: man is a machine. You can follow Gabe on Instagram and Twitter: @gabelyons or visit his website at . Sources mentioned this episode: Charles Dickens | The Tale of Two CitiesCS Lewis | The Abolition of ManJoost Meerlo | The Rape of the MindYuval Noah Harari: The 2021 World Government Summit
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Welcome to UnderCurrent
04/18/2023
Welcome to UnderCurrent
In our culture today, the acceleration of new ideas, technologies, trends and headlines coming our way can be overwhelming. We need a place to think well about the changing landscape of our world. UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons helps people of faith navigate this chaos and confusion with clarity and conviction. In a complicated cultural moment, Christians will be equipped with timeless wisdom, offering hopeful solutions to those looking for answers.
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