Beyond The Chameleon

Conversations on Belonging in the Creative Media Industries. Join composer Ella Jarman-Pinto as she talks to TV and Film industry professionals about how feelings of belonging vs fitting in can be the key to improving inclusivity both behind and in front of the screen.

Meena Ayittey - Micro-aggresions, Voices & Action 04/12/2022

Meena Ayittey - Micro-aggresions, Voices & Action Date/Episode: S2E8 - Meena Ayittey Title: Microaggressions, Voices & Action Description: Ella and Meena deepen their brand new connection as they recognise the consequences of living with micro-aggression and discover ways forward Bio: Meena Ayittey is an award winning film director. From and based in London, her fascination with stories and human nature started from an early age. Through writing stories and making films she has developed a passion for providing a voice to marginalised communities and the voices those who often go unheard. It is this passion that has been a driving force in her work with subjects ranging from domestic abuse, mental health and race. Her Recent Docu series collaboration Panasonic focuses on dispelling the myths and stereotypes that many African women face. with Her 2020 Black Lives Matter film ‘Mama’ made in response to the murder of George Floyd, earned her several accolades including a nods at Ciclope and awards at AICP, The Webbys, OnePointFour to name a few. Show Notes: The joy of recognised voices The drive behind the work Meena's film - All the little things Microaggressions the mental arithmetic of action belonging and lived experiences 10 steps Mentioned in this episode: Listen to the show Apple - Spotify - Google - https://buff.ly/3nAOnRO Mentioned in this episode: Find Cerrita: This podcast was produced by RogueSpirit Productions - message to see how they can help you produce your podcast - /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/22595549

Cerrita Smith - Self-definition & Claiming Space 04/05/2022

Cerrita Smith - Self-definition & Claiming Space Episode: S2 Ep7 – Cerrita Smith – self-definition and claiming space Description: This week Ella chats with old friend Cerrita Smith and explore the boundaries of curiosity, appropriation and the joy of music Cerrita at a glance: Cerrita is a Music Therapist, Musician and Tutor and consultant. She has explored the developmental benefits of music both nationally and internationally and is a proud Northerner. Show Notes: How we met What brings joy Composer diversity Music and cultural appropriation What is music therapy Otherness Internal bias Curiosity 10 questions Advice for those 10 steps behind you Listen to the show Apple - Spotify - Google - https://buff.ly/3nAOnRO Mentioned in this episode: Find Cerrita: Who is Cerrita Smith? Cerrita is a Music Therapist, Musician, Tutor and Organisational Consultant. She has worked as a music therapist in inpatient mental health hospitals within the NHS for 10 years. She also works in private practice with children, who have experienced developmental trauma (primarily with adopted children) and their families. She has presented her work nationally and internationally and her work has been published in a number of journals. In 2017 and 2018 Cerrita worked in Rwanda, in East Africa, with Music as Therapy International, where she up a music project to support teachers to use music to support educational goals and to develop strategies to support children with additional educational needs. This podcast was produced by RogueSpirit Productions - message to see how they can help you produce your podcast - /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/22595483

John R Wilkinson – Empathy, Anger & Getting it Wrong 03/08/2022

John R Wilkinson – Empathy, Anger & Getting it Wrong Episode: S2 Ep5 – John R Wilkinson – Empathy, Anger & Getting it Wrong Description: In this episode Ella catches up with emerging theatre director John R Wilkinson and shares thoughts on dealing with others perceptions of your most obvious traits amongst other things. John at a glance: John is a disabled theatre director who has worked with The National Theatre, the Young Vic and has a passion for dramaturgy Show Notes: audio books who is John r Wilkinson - the role of a director and dramaturg mediating allowing for communication errors diversity or platforming empathy listening when angry questions that shouldn't be asked getting it wrong the ten step question Find John: Who is John R Wilkinson? John is the tenth recipient of the Genesis Future Directors Award at the Young Vic. He trained on the National Theatre Directors’ Course and is currently undertaking research into new work and touring companies with English Touring Theatre, Wise Children, Stockroom and the Royal Court, as part of Arts Council England’s Developing Your Creative Practice. Direction: Mugabe, My Dad and Me (York Theatre Royal, English Touring Theatre, Audible.com), Bear Shaped and Amazing (Tutti Frutti Productions), Pink Skies… Vinny’s Delight (Manchester Royal Exchange), Hello and Goodbye, Swallows and Amazons, Can’t Stand Up For Falling Down (York Theatre Royal), Talking Heads (co-directed with James Brining and Amy Leach, Leeds Playhouse), Winter (Young Vic). Associate Direction: NT Connections 2020-21 (National Theatre), Sunshine on Leith (Leeds Playhouse – UK Tour). He is a Trustee of Stage Directors UK, Stephen Joseph Theatre, Pilot Theatre and Middle Child. Learn more about Ella - This podcast was produced by RogueSpirit Productions - message to see how they can help you produce your podcast - /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/22261433

Keely Liles - Pleasure, becoming & Self 03/01/2022

Keely Liles - Pleasure, becoming & Self S2 Ep5 – Keeley Liles – Pleasure, Becoming and Self In this episode Ella and Keeley share the joy of working together and explore what it takes to become more yourself Keeley at a glance: A filmmaker, photographer and teaching artist. Keeley is working on herself and created the Embrace your pleasure documentary - Show Notes: the essence of self pleasure the art of filmmaking Loving it when a plan comes together. the joy of directing stepping into your power defining the standards that denote belonging the work of becoming 10 step question Find Keeley: Learn more about Ella - This podcast was produced by RogueSpirit Productions - message to see how they can help you produce your podcast - /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/22231439

Ndrika Anyika - Inclusivity, Boundaries & Collaboration 02/22/2022

Ndrika Anyika - Inclusivity, Boundaries & Collaboration Episode: S2 Ep4 – Ndrika Anyika– Inclusivity, Boundaries & Collaboration Description: In this episode Ndrika and Ella bond over what brings them joy, creating inclusivity and boundaries Ndrika at a glance: She/Her Ndrika is a full time filmmaker who has worked with the BBC and BFI among others and is passionate about telling the stories of the misrepresented. Show Notes: What is a DOP? The joy of collaboration creating an inclusive environment the importance of boundaries and overwork, paid what your worth how is increased inclusivity changing things working with others money 10 steps question Listen to the show Apple - Spotify - Google - Find Ndrika: Learn more about Ella - This podcast was produced by RogueSpirit Productions - message to see how they can help you produce your podcast - /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/22209509

Intimacy, Consent & safeguarding with Rufai Ajala 02/08/2022

Intimacy, Consent & safeguarding with Rufai Ajala In this episode Ella touches base with Rufai “Roo” Ajala and explores the world of Intimacy Coordination, Roo’s journey into it and the lessons for our wider culture "Please note that this conversation explores personal experiences of sexual violence and emotional abuse, as well as the healing journeys of survivors. Below is information in the liner notes about trusted UK organisations who can support you if you have experienced violence - and please know that you are not alone. Rufai at a glance: They/Them Rufai has journeyed from troubled beginnings and in an epic journey of self-discovery and healing from trauma, is now a cinematographer and lighting technician and a trained Intimacy Coordinator. They have a passion for safeguarding especially as it pertains to Queer Trans and Non-Binary Gender people of colour Show Notes: The dichotomy of finding joy in your work Mitigating harm Making peace with yourself Bitterness and anger An unexpected route into the industry – from troubled youth, to industry professional and Intimacy coordination Healing through the work & support Safeguarding & vulnerability on set Mechanics of IC Boundaries – Belonging to yourself To kiss or not to kiss – permissions & consents The 10 step question Listen to the show Apple - Spotify - Google - Find Rufai: Learn more about Ella - This podcast was produced by RogueSpirit Productions - message to see how they can help you produce your podcast - /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/22030295

Caitlin McNamara - Self definition & Claiming Space 02/01/2022

Caitlin McNamara - Self definition & Claiming Space Episode: S2 Ep2 – Caitlin McNamara – self-definition and claiming space Description: This week Ella chats with the incredibly versatile writer and campaigner Caitlin McNamara. They explore their perspectives on privilege, belonging, societal value and knowing your worth. Caitlin at a glance: Caitlin is currently writing her first radio documentary (airing on BBC Radio 4 in April 2022), working as Director of Jude Kelly Studios, and campaigning on legal reform to better prosecute gender-based violence. Show Notes: The mundanity of joy the limitations of self labelling work denoting societal value Belonging, Privilege and claiming your space Cynicism, belonging in a female space and Woman of the year award money, women, finance & knowing your worth Activism and Money Quotas Advice for those 10 steps behind you Mentioned in this episode: Find Caitlyn: This podcast was produced by RogueSpirit Productions - message to see how they can help you produce your podcast - /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/21979433

Nomi Abadi - Abuse, Harrasment & Speaking Up 01/25/2022

Nomi Abadi - Abuse, Harrasment & Speaking Up In the first episode of Season 2 Ella chats with Nomi Abadi about abuse, experiences of harassment in the workplace. They cover themes of trauma survival and the importance and difficulty of speaking up. Show Notes The joy kids bring to inspiring work & working as a female composer with kids Being a female composer The and the sadness of its necessity. Surviving trauma and harassment in the workplace The dynamics and consequences of disbelieving women The mechanics of and responses to predation Speaking out The Nory Keytar The 10 step Question Bio Nomi is a Grammy®-nominated virtuoso pianist, singer, composer, activist, and inventor of the She toured and performed as a guest soloist around the world as a child prodigy As a composer, Nomi has made music for over a dozen films and video games in America and Europe As a trauma survivor, Nomi formed the , a nonprofit focused on creating safety and equality for composers of disenfranchised genders and race in the audio industry. In late 2019, Nomi made her debut as a writer and director of the film, Roadkill, which she starred in. Find Nomi - For more information about working with Ella as a composer, or to be featured on the podcast, visit This podcast was produced by RogueSpirit Productions - message to see how they can help you produce your podcast - /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/21775112

Season 2 Trailer 01/17/2022

Season 2 Trailer Beyond The Chameleon Season 2 - The Conversation Continues Ella shares her experiences of the last year weaving it into her excitement and anticipation for the coming Season /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/21800606

Interview with Rebecca Olayinka 05/01/2021

Interview with Rebecca Olayinka Today, Ella speaks to Rebecca Olayinka, a Social Worker and advocate. Her latest poem featured in “I’m speaking now: Black Women Share Their Truth in 101 Stories of Love, Courage and Hope”. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/18930305

Interview with Iris Gibson 04/01/2021

Interview with Iris Gibson Today, in Beyond The Chameleon, Ella speaks to Iris Gibson, freelance filmmaker & video content creator with over 10 years of experience in the video production industry. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/18557600

Interview with Elizabeth de Brito 03/01/2021

Interview with Elizabeth de Brito Today, in Beyond The Chameleon, Ella speaks to radio producer, host and consultant Elizabeth de Brito, about her innovative radio show ‘The Daffodil Perspective’. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/18138596

Interview with Sly Livingstone 01/01/2021

Interview with Sly Livingstone Today, in Beyond The Chameleon, Ella speaks to actor, producer and creative director Sly Livingstone about his short film, Be Kind. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/17370506

Interview with Laura Henry-Allain 12/01/2020

Interview with Laura Henry-Allain Today, in Beyond The Chameleon, Ella speaks to award-winning expert in Early Years education and children’s media, and creator of the CBeebies hit series,JoJo and Gran Gran, characters. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/16998176

Ep 06 Interview with Olivia Dickinson 11/01/2020

Ep 06 Interview with Olivia Dickinson Today, in Beyond The Chameleon, Ella talks to Olivia Dickinson, a member of the Let Toys Be Toys campaign, with 20 years’ experience in children’s media. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/16594004

Ep 05 Interview with Aral Sea Productions 10/01/2020

Ep 05 Interview with Aral Sea Productions Today, in Beyond The Chameleon, Ella talks to Mim Lucy and Pauline Blanchet from Aral Productions. They’re currently crowdfunding their documentary, ‘Beyond The Red Light’, which explores the different degrees of conflict faced by sex workers. You can support the project at greenlit.fund/project/beyond-red-light /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/16230431

Ep 04 Interview with Akin Akinsiku 09/17/2020

Ep 04 Interview with Akin Akinsiku Today, in the Beyond The Chameleon Podcast, Ella talks to Akin Akinsiku, a Bafta award-winning director at Five Apples and The Department of Image Creative Studio. They talked about sensitive, and vital topics regarding inclusivity, racism, politics, and privilege. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/16027619

Ep 03 Interview with Mandisi Sibanda 09/10/2020

Ep 03 Interview with Mandisi Sibanda Today, in Beyond The Chameleon, Ella talks to Mandisi Sibanda from Mansta Productions. A wonderful conversation about the film industry, the BLM movement, career and money, future projects, and more. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/15941273

Ep 02 Interview with Shabnam Rezaei from Big Bad Boo Studios 09/01/2020

Ep 02 Interview with Shabnam Rezaei from Big Bad Boo Studios Today, in the Beyond The Chameleon Podcast, Ella talks to Shabnam Rezaei from Big Bad Boo Studios. Their animated TV shows air in over 120 countries, and they can be found on Hulu, and Amazon Prime. They talk about the importance and challenges of creating content that's inclusive for children. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/15835292

Ep 01 Interview with the Female Film Club 08/29/2020

Ep 01 Interview with the Female Film Club Today, in the Beyond The Chameleon Podcast, Ella talks to Nicole Lieberman and Liza van der Smissen. They are the creators behind the Female Film Club, an online networking platform for female filmmakers from all around the globe. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/15789848

Beyond The Chameleon: Conversations on Belonging in the Creative Media Industries 08/29/2020

Beyond The Chameleon: Conversations on Belonging in the Creative Media Industries Hi, I'm Ella, and this is Beyond The Chameleon: Conversations on Belonging in the Creative Media Industries. I am creating this podcast to talk to other like-minded people in the creative media industries about how we find ourselves, how we can create space for others, and make the industry more inclusive. It's only when we can truly feel a sense of belonging, that we have the capacity and power to welcome others authentically who are different from us and to really listen, see, welcome and empower others. /episode/index/show/beyondthechameleon/id/15800279

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