Black Like Me
Black Like Me with Dr. Alex Gee is a podcast that invites you to experience the world through the perspective of one Black man, one conversation, one story, or even one rant at a time.
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S11 E215: "Your Connection To Your Culture Can Be What Propels You Forward...Or Holds You Back": Joy Bailey-Bryant Holds Space With Dr. Gee
11/11/2025
S11 E215: "Your Connection To Your Culture Can Be What Propels You Forward...Or Holds You Back": Joy Bailey-Bryant Holds Space With Dr. Gee
Joy Bailey-Bryant, Lord Cultural Resources President, returns to the show as The Center for Black Excellence and Culture building comes to completion. As an expert in cultural spaces and innovative museums, Baily-Bryant is involved in supporting the development of The Center for Black Excellence and Culture in Madison, WI. They connect over shared Black culture and tell stories of the power of preserving culture, demonstrating the resilient power of culture that has space to speak into itself. As leader of cultural planning at the largest cultural consultancy in the world, Joy works with city officials, institutional leaders, and developers, in global municipalities like Chicago; New York; Dhaka, Bangladesh; and Dharan, Saudi Arabia to creatively plan cities and bring people (life!) to public institutions. Joy led the teams for institutional and cultural planning on remarkable projects like the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, D.C., reaching more than 1,000 stakeholders across the country to learn their expectations for the new museum; the National September 11 Memorial and Museum at the World Trade Center, directing citywide engagement in locations as large as Chicago and small as Decatur, Georgia – speaking with thousands of individuals in meetings and on social media – to assess, project, and plan for their cultural needs; and planning and opening the expansion of the Albany Civil Rights Institute in Albany, Georgia—unearthing thousands of untold stories of the Southwest Georgia Civil Rights Movement. A cultural planning specialist, certified interpretive planner, and outreach facilitator, Joy honed her specialized skill working in collaborative roles at the Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS) and notable cultural planning projects. Support the Show:
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S11 E214: Education That Breaks Down Walls: Dr. Emily Auerbach Talks Metaphors That Can Change Your Life
10/28/2025
S11 E214: Education That Breaks Down Walls: Dr. Emily Auerbach Talks Metaphors That Can Change Your Life
Dr. Emily Auerbach is a great storyteller and cares deeply about helping make other people’s stories great. Hear the story of her work of leading the Odyssey Project and mentoring non-traditional students through literature and the humanities. Dr. Auerbach talks about their whole family approach that brings all generations into the learning opportunities. The hope is that the program is a launching pad into further education at UW-Madison. Dr. Gee and Dr. Auerbach share so many connections to graduates who have completed degrees and are active in the community. They also share the development of those that don’t think they have more potential and draw it out of them. Support the Show:
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S11 E214: Education That Breaks Down Walls: Dr. Emily Auerbach Talks Metaphors Can Change Your Life
10/28/2025
S11 E214: Education That Breaks Down Walls: Dr. Emily Auerbach Talks Metaphors Can Change Your Life
Dr. Emily Auerbach is a great storyteller and cares deeply about helping make other people’s stories great. Hear the story of her work of leading the Odyssey Project and mentoring non-traditional students through literature and the humanities. Dr. Auerbach talks about their whole family approach that brings all generations into the learning opportunities. The hope is that the program is a launching pad into further education at UW-Madison. Dr. Gee and Dr. Auerbach share so many connections to graduates who have completed degrees and are active in the community. They also share the development of those that don’t think they have more potential and draw it out of them. Support the Show:
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S11 E213: “We Are In A Moment Of Backlash:” Dr. Christy Clark-Pujara Explains How Black History Exposes The Shortcomings Of The Nation
10/15/2025
S11 E213: “We Are In A Moment Of Backlash:” Dr. Christy Clark-Pujara Explains How Black History Exposes The Shortcomings Of The Nation
Dr. Christy Clark-Pujara brings some clarity to the recent political attacks on history that are attempting to erase multicultural aspects of our American past. Not just history but education and knowledge itself. This moment is similar to the time after Reconstruction with the response to Black people engaged in the political process and having power. Points to cultural backlash historically like Birth of the Nation and Gone with the Wind portraying a negative propaganda of African American contributions to the US. Also, hear about a program that Dr. Clark-Pujara has been a part of that connects K-12 teachers to historians and academics to bring back their experience to their classrooms. Funding was cut this year, so she is having to figure out a way to still make it happen in a different form. Support the Show:
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S11 E212:The Work Is About Empowering, Not Doing: Innovative Leadership With Harry Hawkins
09/30/2025
S11 E212:The Work Is About Empowering, Not Doing: Innovative Leadership With Harry Hawkins
Dr. Gee welcomes Harry Hawkins back to the show again to discuss what it means to lead a cross-cultural organization that is focused on empowering the Black community. Harry Hawkins has moved into the President and CEO role of the non-profit , as Dr. Gee transitions into new endeavors. The two innovative leaders discuss what it is like serving the Black community in a predominantly white community. They have both had to navigate cross-cultural environments in their work. The discussion covers drawing out underserved groups, like Black women and young Black men. Hear Harry Hawkin's background story and how his experience formed the skills needed for his work with Nehemiah. Support the Show:
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S11 E211: The Erasure Of History: "It's A Shell Game Of The Most Grotesque Kind" With Professor of History, Stephen Kantrowitz
09/16/2025
S11 E211: The Erasure Of History: "It's A Shell Game Of The Most Grotesque Kind" With Professor of History, Stephen Kantrowitz
Dr. Gee and Professor Stephen Kantrowitz discuss the erasure of history that has happened in other nations in order to understand the current US government attempts to control historical information and ideology. You will be shocked to hear the ways that historical and scientific research are being attacked through elimination of funding and discrediting of academic knowledge. One of the current realities is that current students will be discouraged from seeking out new perspectives and the truth of historical perspectives because of perceived connections to DEI. Hear how government websites are removing African American and female-focused language in a censoring effort through the experience of one of Dr. Gee’s friends and former guest. Professor Kantrowitz explains the main issue in our country to be addressed is one of free and truthful speech. There is an attack on the truth of history and the realities of our world. Stephen Kantrowitz is a historian of race, citizenship, and Native-settler interaction in the United States. He is particularly interested in work that spans the antebellum, Civil War, and postbellum eras, and in the connections between the histories of slavery, emancipation, and Reconstruction and the dynamics of Native American life and U.S. conquest. Professor Kantrowitz recently developed a research interest in the intellectual history of twentieth-century American anthropology in relation to Native-settler interaction. Support the Show:
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S11 E210: “You Can Determine Your Future By How Much You Invest In Your Children”: Kaleem Caire Is Building For Our Children
09/02/2025
S11 E210: “You Can Determine Your Future By How Much You Invest In Your Children”: Kaleem Caire Is Building For Our Children
Kaleem Caire shares how his family, their audacity, and legacy have inspired him to create change in Madison. They discuss how Kaleem challenged Dr. Gee to build something new - his church, social justice non-profits, The Center for Black Excellence and Culture. The inspiration came from each other to see something new built. Listen to how education is a major factor for the health of the community by investing in the next generation who will be running the community. Kaleem explains what is behind One City Schools and what they are doing different to shift the educational possibilities. Leaders in the Black community face unique challenges and it is especially true when they are innovate. As a social innovator, Dr. Gee explores what Kaleem does to stay healthy and balanced in the stress of his work. Plus, hear new Black Ice Breakers that will make you laugh and find cultural connection. Learn more about
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S11 E209: "You Cannot Dream For Another Person": Dr. Audrey Mukwavi Matimelo Empowers South Africans To Create Transformation
08/19/2025
S11 E209: "You Cannot Dream For Another Person": Dr. Audrey Mukwavi Matimelo Empowers South Africans To Create Transformation
Dr. Gee talks with his friend Dr. Audrey Mukwavi Matimelo about her passion for empowering others through the "Self Help Group Concept." Hear how this approach to maximize inherent gifts and talents for social and economic transformation, is not only needed in South Africa but also in the US where our systems are failing us. Dr. Audrey shares how this concept works at three levels, which are applicable in many contexts and has been influential in Dr. Gee's non-profit leadership. Don't miss this conversation with visionary leaders that partners across continents. Dr. Audrey Mukwavi Matimelo has been working as a community development practitioner since 2005, and her work with the Self Help Group concept has enabled her to effectively mobilise and engage with groups of women, youth, and men for social and economic development. She is a passionate advocate of the Self Help Group concept, and has travelled to India, Kenya and Zimbabwe to implement and grow the idea. In 2001, Dr Audrey got the opportunity to study community development. This led to her resigning her job after 10 years in the banking industry to pursue studies in the United Kingdom and later in South Africa. Dr Audrey Matimelo has successfully completed her PhD in the school of Science and Agriculture, Rural Resource Management and was awarded a Doctorate Degree from the University of KwaZulu-Natal. Her thesis was on mobilizing rural assets for women empowerment. Her study explores various forms of poverty and focuses mainly on the Self Help Group concept and its impact among poor women of KwaZulu Natal, South Africa. Learn more about the Support the Show:
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S11 E208: "I Think They Will Be Coming From All Across The Country": Dr. Ruben Anthony Talks Madison's South Side Black Renaissance
08/05/2025
S11 E208: "I Think They Will Be Coming From All Across The Country": Dr. Ruben Anthony Talks Madison's South Side Black Renaissance
Hear about Dr. Ruben Anthony’s early years in the Bronx, where he saw the birth of hip-hop in his community and the excellence of Black arts at The Apollo. These two leaders and visionaries discuss what the new developments in Southern Madison means to the community, state, and the country. They also break down the Black and race-related dynamics in Madison as they pursue their major initiatives. Dr. Anthony talks about the innovative and national development of the Urban League’s Black Business Hub that he has started. Previously, there was not a place where Black excellence could be on display in Madison. Also, don't miss a fun edition of Black Ice Breakers where there is strong agreement on the proper way to eat grits.
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S11 E207: Dr. Gee’s Therapy Session With Dr. Chris Bass: Healing From Loss, Mourning, And Family Transitions
07/22/2025
S11 E207: Dr. Gee’s Therapy Session With Dr. Chris Bass: Healing From Loss, Mourning, And Family Transitions
Dr. Gee talks to returning guest Dr. Chris Bass about the mourning process of losing his mother over the previous year. They talk about the need for rest and space in mourning in order to have the energy to focus on the work that would have made his mother proud. Hear about the activities and accomplishments that honor his mother going forward. Dr. Bass gives advice for making sure people take time and space for healthy relationships and themselves. They discuss the unique times that Blacks folks in particular are facing with the challenges in our culture and society. Dr. Chris Bass has served clinically in a variety of posts including; Clinical Director at a residential treatment facility for adjudicated late adolescent males, Psychologist for the City of Atlanta and Senior Psychological Partner at The Bass Medical and Psychological Consultants firm LLC. He has held faculty appointments on the campuses of Hampton University, Morehouse College, University of Georgia, Oglethorpe University and others. He continues to serve as a faculty member in the Department of Psychology at Clark Atlanta University. Support the Show:
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S11 E206: "It Costs You Something To Navigate Whiteness" With Dr. Angela Byars-Winston
07/08/2025
S11 E206: "It Costs You Something To Navigate Whiteness" With Dr. Angela Byars-Winston
Returning guest, Dr. Byars-Winston, is the inaugural chair of the She honestly explores what doing research on causes of group-based discrimination and what effective ways to eliminate discrimination look like in our current social and political environment. They discuss that more people than the media and politicians appear are in favor of broad diversity. The conversation covers how most businesses want to hire a diverse staff but don’t necessarily want to use the DEI labels. Dr. Byars-Winston explains that there is and can be data to back up approaches to diversity in the workplace but most do not have access to the information now. As an example she shows the lack of available evidence illustrated in a public hearing in WI State Assembly. Hear about the ties between Dr. Byars-Winston’s work and The Center for Black Excellence and Culture’s goals. Also, listen in to understand the importance mentorship representation. , Wisconsin Examiner Article Support the Show:
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S11 E205: "It Feels Out Of Control": How White People Are Processing This Political Moment With Jeremy Holiday And Eli Steenlage
06/24/2025
S11 E205: "It Feels Out Of Control": How White People Are Processing This Political Moment With Jeremy Holiday And Eli Steenlage
Dr. Gee had been hearing reactions from his white friends that they are surprised and deeply discouraged by what our government is doing to American society. To hear a just few perspectives on this political moment, podcast producers Jeremy Holiday and Eli Steenlage join the conversation to talk about their own feelings and what they are hearing. Dr. Gee highlights some of the differences between what the Black community and white community understand and see happening right now. The Black community has been trying to say that things are out of control historically and this is just another phase of it. Also, after hearing all of the Black Ice Breaker questions and responses, don't miss how Jeremy and Eli react to the cultural differences and similarities. Going deeper, they share what has surprised them as they have learned more about Black culture. Support the Show:
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S11 E204: Wicked Pt.2 Conversation: How Black Womanhood Is Invested In The Elphaba Role With Lexi Gee
06/09/2025
S11 E204: Wicked Pt.2 Conversation: How Black Womanhood Is Invested In The Elphaba Role With Lexi Gee
Dr. Gee is joined by his daughter, Lexi Gee, to discuss the depth of Black womanhood in the film version of Wicked. Lexi brings a wealth of story and cultural criticism to topic as she has recently been appointed the Curator of Stories position at The Center for Black Excellence and Culture. Hear about how she is establishing the library and reading room in the Center, and especially how it will impact Black children. Find out the racial significance of the film version of Wicked by casting a Black woman in the role of Elphaba and how the connection to her green skin becomes more relevant. Lexi explains why Black woman are able to identify so much with the character of Elphaba, and in particular how Cynthia Erivo invested her Black womanhood into the role. The main female friendship dynamic is explored with their differences and bonds. Support the Show:
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S11 E203: A Burgeoning Movement Across The Country To Fight Back And Build Something Better: Ben Wikler Talks About What's Next
05/27/2025
S11 E203: A Burgeoning Movement Across The Country To Fight Back And Build Something Better: Ben Wikler Talks About What's Next
Ben Wikler returns to the show again in this wild political moment both locally and nationally. As he is stepping out of his role as Chair of Wisconsin Democratic Party he is energized by a recent state Supreme Court win. Dr. Gee asks him about how the Black community fits into the vision of the Democratic Party in the current environment. Are Black voters acknowledged outside of an election? Hear what Ben is doing after his current role and how he is processing his experience in the high profile political climate of Wisconsin. The discussion covers the reality of the Democratic party on the ground, what elections look like for candidates after they are elected, and where the political action should be happening. Ben breaks down the resistance happening to the current administration and why he is encouraged. The two men discuss the role of Black women in the last presidential election and whether their vote and political aspirations are truly valued. Support the Show:
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S11 E202: "Now The Role Will ALWAYS Be Black!": - Revealing The True Colors Of Wicked With Broadway and TV Star Angela Robinson Whitehurst
05/13/2025
S11 E202: "Now The Role Will ALWAYS Be Black!": - Revealing The True Colors Of Wicked With Broadway and TV Star Angela Robinson Whitehurst
Angela Robinson Whitehurst returns to the show to bring her Broadway experience to discussing Wicked and the translation from stage to screen. Dr. Gee and Angela discuss the timing of seeing race brought to the forefront of this version of Wicked, compared to when the stage musical was first a part of our culture. The power of fantasy and musical stories is that deep ideas about culture can be explored through an alternate version of our world. It allows us to see the realities of our world through a different lens. Angela also exposes the way that Black women were not allowed into the Alphoba role before the film version, but now that will be the standard as the significance of the character has been redefined by Blackness. They continue their conversation about Black voices and stories in Hollywood, including having to make representation happen for themselves. A native of Jacksonville, FL, Angela Robinson is best-known as The Ice Queen Veronica Harrington of Tyler Perry’s The Haves and The Have Nots. For her work as Veronica she is the 2015 recipient of the Gracie Award (Best Female Actress – One to Watch). Angela has worked on Broadway, off Broadway and on stages throughout the US and abroad. Broadway productions include The Color Purple with Fantasia, Wonderful Town, Bells Are Ringing, and Play On! She has participated in National Tours of The Color Purple, Dreamgirls, and The Wizard of Oz with Eartha Kitt. Her television/film credits include Law & Order: SVU, Another Bed and several regional and national commercials. She is the Winner of an Independent Reviewers of New England (IRNE) award for her work as Shug Avery in The Color Purple, Angela has been nominated twice for a Black Theatre Alliance Award (The Color Purple, Dreamgirls), and for an Audelco Award (Radiant Baby). She is also a member of the Tony Award winning Broadway Inspirational Voices. In 2008 Angela and her husband Scott founded the WhiteRobin Group. WhiteRobin Group is a consulting firm for aspiring and seasoned artists; providing training, inspiration and direction via acting workshops, private acting coaching, blogs and mentorship programs. Listen to Angela Robinson's podcast - Follow Angela Robinson: Support the Show:
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S11 E201: Things That Make You Go... S*** With Lilada Gee
04/29/2025
S11 E201: Things That Make You Go... S*** With Lilada Gee
Dr. Alex Gee and his sister commiserate on some things lately that make them wonder what is going on - things that make them say "Hmmm..." You won't want to miss this honest conversation full of some real talk that explores some serious issues in their lives right now. These two leaders let you in some topics that make them a bit annoyed. And you also know that they have a little fun too! Rev. Lilada Gee is a dynamic voice on behalf of Black girls and women throughout the African Diaspora who carry the heavy burden of generations of sexual trauma, as well as their own—Lilada Gee has committed her life to the defending of Black girlhood and the healing of Black women. She is the host of the . Visit Lilada's Website:
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S11 E200: Audacity: Season 11 Mic Check
04/15/2025
S11 E200: Audacity: Season 11 Mic Check
It's Season 11! And it's the 200th episode! This occasion calls for something special. Dr. Gee brings starts the season with his signature Mic Check to set the tone. He speaks to this moment with a spoken word poem and some commentary on what these times mean for us all. Dr. Gee lays out a call to audacity. Listen up! Support the Show:
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S10 E199: “Will The Report Change Anything?”: Dr. Angela Byers-Winston and Ray Allen Discuss Systemic Change For The Black Experience On A University Campus
01/14/2025
S10 E199: “Will The Report Change Anything?”: Dr. Angela Byers-Winston and Ray Allen Discuss Systemic Change For The Black Experience On A University Campus
Dr. Gee returns to the discussion of his involvement in a university report on the Black Community Experience at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. In episode 188 he discussed the upcoming report with UW-Madison Chancellor Jennifer Mnookin and now that the report is public, he is joined by fellow board members on the ad hoc committee. Dr. Angela Byers-Winston and Ray Allen discuss the difference between good intentions and intentionality, when it comes to identifying and creating real change? The ad hoc study group worked to present their critical findings and strategic recommendations aimed at addressing the long-standing challenges faced by Black students, faculty, and staff on university campus. They discuss the question, “What is the systemic inertia to follow through on the recommendations?” Hear the unfiltered conversation about the report conducted by the UW by those that served on the board. All three speak honestly about the process, offering what made them angry or frustrated, and the hopes they have for change. They talk about how creating programs only can’t change the DEI issues, but it takes institutional and organizational change. Also, be sure to catch a double portion of the Black Ice Breakers segment. Dr. Angela Byars-Winston is a tenured faculty member in the Division of General Internal Medicine within the Department of Medicine. She is also the inaugural Chair of the University of Wisconsin , associate director in the , and faculty lead in the . Dr. Byars-Winston has received numerous awards for her research on advancing diversity goals and mentorship in STEM fields. In 2011, Dr. Byars-Winston was selected as a Champion of Change by the White House through President Obama's Winning the Future initiative for her research efforts to diversify science fields. In 2022, she was the recipient of the Innovation in Mentorship Research award from the Association of Clinical and Translational Research. Dr. Byars-Winston chaired the National Academies of Sciences’ 2019 consensus study report, . She is an elected Fellow in the American Psychological Association and is currently an appointed member of the NIH National Advisory General Medical Sciences Council. Over a career spanning nearly 50 years, Ray Allen has worked at the John Deere Company and served in a number of leadership roles in state government, including Secretary of the Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development. He was elected to three terms on the Madison School Board from 1995 to 2004, has served as chair of the Madison Area Technical College Board, and is the former publisher and owner of weekly newspaper The Madison Times. In 2016 Allen was honored with the Outstanding Alumni of Color Award from the UW–Madison Division of Diversity, Equity & Educational Achievement. He currently serves on more than 10 corporate and community boards, including 100 Black Men, the Overture Center, UMOJA Magazine’s board of directors, United Way of Dane County, American Red Cross, Downtown Madison Inc., and Madison College. Support the Show:
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S10 E198: Revealing The Secrets Of The Universe With Trailblazing Astronomer Eric Wilcots
01/02/2025
S10 E198: Revealing The Secrets Of The Universe With Trailblazing Astronomer Eric Wilcots
Dr. Gee returns to the topic of a childhood fascination with astronomy as he takes a journey through the cosmos with Eric Wilcots, University of Wisconsin-Madison dean of the College of Letters & Science and Professor of Astronomy. Both began their interest in astronomy at a young age with the same model of telescope. Professor Wilcots explains how few Black astronomy academics there were in his early years and now works to encourage diversity in academic departments. They continue their fun and informative conversation by exploring questions about the universe and what we currently know scientifically. Dr. Gee asks questions to understand black holes, stars, and life on other planets. Don't miss this awe-inspiring conversation as Professor Wilcots shares his passion for the big questions of our universe and beyond. Support the Show:
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S10 E197: Ending The Cycle Of Police Violence With Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison
12/17/2024
S10 E197: Ending The Cycle Of Police Violence With Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison
Dr. Gee has an honest discussion with author and Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison. Their conversation starts with southern cooking and how food provides insights into our histories and continues into how race relations impact policing. Ellison has written a book about his experience leading the prosecution when the Derek Chauvin case came to trial involving the killing of George Floyd. Hear what he saw when he looked into the eyes of Derek Chauvin. They also discuss Ellison’s involvement in the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act. Read Keith Ellison's book: From 2007 to 2019, Keith Ellison represented Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives, where he championed consumer, worker, environmental, and civil- and human-rights protections for Minnesotans. He served for 12 years on the House Financial Services Committee, where he helped oversee the financial services industry, the housing industry, and Wall Street, among others. Among his legislative accomplishments are passing provisions to protect credit-card holders from abusive practices and protect the rights of renters and tenants. While in Congress, he founded the Congressional Antitrust Caucus and the Congressional Consumer Justice Caucus. He also served as co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which he helped build to more than 100 members. Before being elected to Congress, Attorney General Ellison served four years in the Minnesota House of Representatives. Prior to entering elective office, he spent 16 years as an attorney specializing in civil-rights and defense law, including five years as executive director of the Legal Rights Center. As the leader of this public-interest law firm, he oversaw a team of attorneys focused on delivering justice for Minnesotans who had nowhere else to turn. He was also a noted community activist. Support the Show:
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S10 E196: "I’m Not Going To Wait For Them To Write The History," Pulitzer Prize Winning Author And Cultural Commentator Leonard Pitts Discusses His New Novel 54 Miles
12/03/2024
S10 E196: "I’m Not Going To Wait For Them To Write The History," Pulitzer Prize Winning Author And Cultural Commentator Leonard Pitts Discusses His New Novel 54 Miles
Dr. Gee and discuss bringing American history to life in order to reclaim the role of Black people in the development of the nation. Both men share the power of story to display the experience of the Black community in history and today. Leonard speaks to the Black experience through journalism, academic scholarship, commentary, and historical fiction. Hear how the details of his writing inform a long-standing missing perspective on history, including complicated characters that reveal the trauma and hurt of the Black community in American history. Support the Show:
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S10 E195: A Letter To A Black Brother: Marquis Hunt Calls Young Black Men To A Greater Narrative
11/19/2024
S10 E195: A Letter To A Black Brother: Marquis Hunt Calls Young Black Men To A Greater Narrative
Dr. Gee starts his conversation with faith leader and professional musician Marquis Hunt by talking about addressing young Black men to understand that they do have voice that can matter. Marquis wrote a as “a call to every Black man who’s ever felt overlooked, undervalued, or trapped in a system that wasn’t built for us.” They discuss why there is a need to call young Black men to create a greater narrative than the one that society is telling them. Before the recent election, Dr. Gee and Marquis look deeply into the environment around the Black vote in the 2024 election, especially for Black men. Also, don't miss an extra fun Black Ice Breakers session. Marquis Hunt is a Spiritual Director, Interfaith Leader, professional musician and author of The New Human: When People We Love, Love The People We Love. From Little Rock, Arkansas, Hunt is the founder and developer of The FloW, a community-based practice that integrates music, philosophy, and strategic discourse. Marquis has worked on a national and international level helping thousands of individuals reach higher levels of human potential. Read the Black Brother Article: Learn more and listen to Marquis Hunt’s music: Support the Show:
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S10 E194: "How Do I Operate In This Reality?": A Raw Post-Election Conversation With Dr. Gee and Jeremy Holiday
11/12/2024
S10 E194: "How Do I Operate In This Reality?": A Raw Post-Election Conversation With Dr. Gee and Jeremy Holiday
Dr. Alex Gee has a special episode to talk through and process the recent election from his perspective. He is joined by Black Like Me producer Jeremy Holiday for a raw conversation that seeks to break down first thoughts on how community and justice minded people look ahead in our current landscape. They share their raw feelings and reflections in this challenging moment. As always, Dr. Gee brings his wide-ranging experience as a Black man in a majority white community who is also a visionary community and faith leader. Support the Show:
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S10 E193: The Shape Of My Eyes: Finding Cross Cultural Healing and Hope With Spiritual Leader and Author Dave Gibbons
11/05/2024
S10 E193: The Shape Of My Eyes: Finding Cross Cultural Healing and Hope With Spiritual Leader and Author Dave Gibbons
Hear about how spiritual leader and author David Gibbons felt that he wrote his memoir as a way to process his life and his experience, calling the book . In an honest conversation, Dr. Gee and David break down what “model minority” means for Asian Americans and African Americans. They consider how this concept also worked toward putting the two racial communities in opposition to one another by weaponizing the term. They continue Dr. Gee’s awareness around how the unity between Asian American and Black communities can be perpetuated. Also, hear how David tries to get Dr. Gee to go white water rafting. Dave Gibbons was born in Seoul, Korea yet culturally raised in America. He works in both for profit and not for profit organizations. Dave is an Advisor, Speaker and Spiritual leader. Dave founded an known for diversity, innovation and social impact. At the same time, he launched or worked with social impact organizations such as World Vision and Fuller Seminary. He loves working with creators and innovators in entertainment, sports, government, finance, and non-profits. Dave lives in California and Seoul, Korea, with his wife, Becca. He has four adult children and two grand-dogs. Support the Show:
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S10 E192: Live Event with Special Guests Bianca Martin and Lilada Gee
10/29/2024
S10 E192: Live Event with Special Guests Bianca Martin and Lilada Gee
Dr. Gee hosts a special episode recorded live with an audience and a young jazz group in summer 2024 at Cafe Coda in Madison, WI. The night was a celebration of the 10th season of Black Like Me and Dr. Gee brought together Black podcast hosts to talk about their unique position. Bianca Martin hosts the . She is skilled in audio journalism and multi platform storytelling. Bianca has produced a wide range of radio and podcast programs, including for National Geographic, NPR, and Chicago Public Media. You can hear Bianca every weekday on the City Cast Madison podcast at Rev. Lilada Gee is a dynamic voice on behalf of Black girls and women throughout the African Diaspora who carry the heavy burden of generations of sexual trauma, as well as their own—Lilada Gee has committed her life to the defending of Black girlhood and the healing of Black women. She is the host of the . Their conversation covers the specifically Black space that podcasting facilitates compared to other traditional media systems. In light of the current cultural and political environment they discuss the role that Black women play in the recent elections and culture in general. Support the Show:
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S10 E191: "Grandma's Got A Gun!?": A Forceful History of Black Resistance with Author and Historian Dr. Kelli Carter Jackson
10/22/2024
S10 E191: "Grandma's Got A Gun!?": A Forceful History of Black Resistance with Author and Historian Dr. Kelli Carter Jackson
Black resistance to white supremacy is often reduced to a simple binary between Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s nonviolence and Malcolm X’s “by any means necessary.” Dr. Gee discuss how in her book, , historian Kellie Carter Jackson urges us to move past this false choice, offering an unflinching examination of the breadth of Black responses to white oppression, particularly those pioneered by Black women. Dr. Carter Jackson explains the dismissal of “Black violence” as an illegitimate form of resistance is itself a manifestation of white supremacy, a distraction from the insidious, unrelenting violence of structural racism. Dr. Gee and Dr. Carter Jackson also explore the fact that Black men are being killed in the streets but Black women are being killed in the private space of their own homes. Hear about how “Black flight" is connected to joy in that Black folks needs space to get away from regular white supremacist life. Finally, Dr. Carter Jackson also shows her enthusiasm for dolls, and especially Black dolls with their unique cultural significance. Kellie Carter Jackson is the Michael and Denise ‘68 Associate Professor of Africana Studies and the Chair of the Africana Studies Department Wellesley College. She is the author (Seal Press) and of the award winning book, . Force and Freedom was a finalist for the , a winner of the , and a finalist for the for 2019. The Washington Post listed Force and Freedom as one of on African American history. Her interview, on Slate’s What’s Next podcast was listed as one of the best of 2020. She has also given a Tedx talk on “.” Her essays have been published in The New York Times, Washington Post, The Atlantic, The Guardian, The Los Angeles Times, The Nation, the Boston Globe, CNN, and a host of other outlets. She has been featured in numerous documentaries for Netflix ( and ), PBS, MSNBC, CNN, and AppleTV’s “.” She has also been interviewed on , , MSNBC, Democracy Now, SkyNews (UK) Time, Vox, The Huff Post, the BBC, Boston Public Radio, Al Jazeera International, Slate, and countless podcasts. Carter Jackson loves a good podcast and her Radiotopia family! She is Executive Producer and Host of the award winning “You Get a Podcast! The Study of the Queen of Talk,” formerly known as “” with co-host Leah Wright Rigueur and a co-host on the podcast, “” with Jody Avirgan and Nicole Hemmer. Support the Show:
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S10 E190: If You Want A Place To Be More Diverse, Someone Has To Stay: President Of The American Bar Association (ABA) Michelle Behnke Is The Change She Wants To See
10/08/2024
S10 E190: If You Want A Place To Be More Diverse, Someone Has To Stay: President Of The American Bar Association (ABA) Michelle Behnke Is The Change She Wants To See
Dr. Gee talks to Michelle Behnke about how she is motivated by the commitment of the The American Bar Association (ABA) to make the nation and their community better. Michelle is inspired by the ABA's mission of defending liberty and pursuing justice through professional development throughout the nation. They discuss how to encourage Black people to stay in Madison by creating the community for them and how to be the change they want to see. In their experience, to be successful in the local community they have had to be “Bilingual” by knowing how to interact with both the Black community and the white professional community. Listen in to hear about what Michelle calls the “Multiple Realities.” Michelle joined Boardman Clark in 2024 after being elected the 2025 – 2026 president of the American Bar Association (ABA). Outside of her role with the ABA, Michelle has a broad practice, including business and commercial real estate. She is also active in her community and has served on a number of boards including SSM Healthcare of Wisconsin and Dean Health Plan, Inc. Support the Show:
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S10 E189: “Let’s Watch What Black Women Will Do,” Ben Wikler Brings The Inside Story Of Black Women In The Presidential Campaign
09/24/2024
S10 E189: “Let’s Watch What Black Women Will Do,” Ben Wikler Brings The Inside Story Of Black Women In The Presidential Campaign
Hear the inside story on the transition from Joe Biden to Kamala Harris as the presidential candidate from Ben Wikler, Chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party. Ben considers how Harris has been active as the Vice President and making energetic appearances but the broader media has chosen not to report on this angle of Harris until her presidential candidacy. They also discuss this year’s Democratic National Convention and how it felt more joyful and stood out. Ben also explains the use of “weird” comments in the election process. Dr. Gee and Ben also explore the role of Black women in the 2024 election and the impact of their engagement. Can Harris inspire other women of color to participate in politics? Support the Show:
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S10 E188: Looking To The Future By Reckoning With The Past With UW-Madison Chancellor Jennifer Mnookin: Part 1
09/10/2024
S10 E188: Looking To The Future By Reckoning With The Past With UW-Madison Chancellor Jennifer Mnookin: Part 1
Dr. Gee has an in-depth conversation with University of Wisconsin-Madison Chancellor Jennifer Mnookin on what the university is doing to improve the sense of belonging for students of color. Their discussion covers Dr. Gee's participation in a committee working to recognize the universities history with students of color and what can be done moving forward. The committee will be releasing a report soon with their findings and recommendations. Chancellor Mnookin shares about her plans and initiatives in this role at the university and how she sees that they are developing so far. Jennifer L. Mnookin is the 30th leader in the University of Wisconsin–Madison’s 175-year history, and one of the nation’s top legal scholars. Chancellor Mnookin is dedicated to pushing boundaries to bring the university to new levels of excellence in research and education, and to energizing and expanding the Wisconsin Idea, UW–Madison’s commitment to innovating for the public good. She recently launched the largest cross-campus initiative in the university’s history — called Wisconsin RISE (Research, Innovation, and Scholarly Excellence) — to expand educational opportunities and research at UW–Madison around significant, complex challenges affecting Wisconsin and the world. Chancellor Mnookin is a nationally recognized scholar on the intersection of law and science, and recently co-chaired an expert report on facial recognition technologies for the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine. Join the Support the Show:
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S10 E187: "Say it Loud!": Season 10 Mic Check
08/20/2024
S10 E187: "Say it Loud!": Season 10 Mic Check
Dr. Gee kicks off the new season with his signature mic check episode. Season 10 is going to be big and he is saying it loud! Hear Dr. Gee unfiltered and get a preview of the season. The Black Like Me Podcast is also creating some new opportunities for listeners to connect and interact with the show and other listeners. You can . If you are one of the Patreon Supporters watch for the opportunity to join an exclusive online forum for the podcast as well. You can check out becoming a . Learn more about
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