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Good faith conversations exploring ideas & practices that drive personal & collective development. Jason Snyder & Jared Janes host a wide variety of guests with the goal of enacting inclusive/metamodern & contemplative sensibilities.

#46 Reunion 01/20/2022

#46 Reunion & reunite after 17 months of Both/And hiatus. In this wide-ranging conversation, they talk about what they've been up to and how their perspectives of the sensemaking/meta/liminal web have changed. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/21841829

#45 Both/And Awards 09/10/2020

#45 Both/And Awards Jared Janes & Jason Snyder come back one more time to give awards to stand-out Both/And episodes. First, they talk about what they've been up to for the past couple of months and then get to the awards: Most Convivial, Most Intellectually Stimulating, Most Challenging to My Worldview, Most Star-Struck, & MVP. Along the way, they also make a bunch of honorable mentions. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/15964451

#44 Q&A, Hiatus & the Future 07/22/2020

#44 Q&A, Hiatus & the Future Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk about Both/And's hiatus, the sensemaking web, podcasting as a medium, memetic mediation, local community, going 'meta', spirituality, their friendship, COVID, contemporary Vajrayana Buddism, their political triggers, the meta/integral left, GameB, thank you's, the Both/And awards, and more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/15319928

#43 Embracing the Dark with Leslie Rogers 06/17/2020

#43 Embracing the Dark with Leslie Rogers Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk with Leslie Rogers about what led him to start the Light Dark Institute, being in a sex cult, kink & BDSM, his dark awakening, personality & identity transformation, dark desires, light vs dark personal work, influences on Leslie's practices, tantra, archetypes & deities, pleasure, healing, triggering & mythopoetic power, tribal psycho technologies, nonduality, Jared's inner cynic, civilization collapse & catastrophe, death, pain as pleasure, humiliation, stoicism, & more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/14867942

#42 The Ever-Present with Jeremy Johnson 06/04/2020

#42 The Ever-Present with Jeremy Johnson Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk with Jeremy Johnson about what led to his interest in Jean Gebser, the nebulosity of time, non-linear consciousness evolution & developmental theory, Gebser's extraordinary writing style, the un-perspectival world, integral consciousness, the limits of intellect, mythical consciousness, pattern & nebulosity, wholeness & the spiritual elements of Gebser, process orientation vs systemization, Gebser vs Integral levels, meta-theories, the value of pop art, and more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/14702630

#41 Simpol Global Action with John Bunzl 05/21/2020

#41 Simpol Global Action with John Bunzl Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk with John Bunzl about why he started Simpol & how it enables global cooperation, his multi-issue approach to global issues, UN failures, first-mover criteria, the democratic accountability strategy, partisanship, global pandemic preparation, efficiency vs resilience, power in metrics, cooperative competition, biomimicry in Simpol, Simpol's history & progress, the role of the nation-state, regional cooperation, diversity & locality, tyranny, getting involved, and more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/14516906

#40 Humility, Spirituality & Q&A 05/14/2020

#40 Humility, Spirituality & Q&A Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk about humility, memetic mediation, Patreon goals & perks, acting from uncertainty, embodiment & trauma/baggage, map vs territory, individual vs group development, mindfulness, compassion, nonduality & enlightenment, tantric practice, guru abuse, emerging modern spirituality & the limitations of intellect, the void, subtle sensations & the brilliance of the mundane, constructed cognition, what we're both concentrated on at the moment, and more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/14411477

#39 Enabling Collaboration with Richard Bartlett 05/06/2020

#39 Enabling Collaboration with Richard Bartlett Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk with Richard Bartlett about group dynamics, quarantine in Italy, local vs digital collaboration, metamodernism & an action-oriented critique, rivalrous dynamics, the commons, experimentation vs abstraction, GameB, hierarchies, counter-cultural group dysfunctions, the economic purity delusion, mythopoetic cultural influence, the meta-tribe, memetic mediators & ambassadors, connecting elements of COVID-19, digital/complexity natives, creating digital communitas, and more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/14316278

#38 Nurturing Intellect with Anna Gat 04/22/2020

#38 Nurturing Intellect with Anna Gat Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Anna Gat about her background & the Interintellect (I.I.), the structure of I.I. salons & how they're adjusting to COVID-19, uncovering our true social needs in quarantine, local vs virtual community, unifying dynamics of global crisis, COVID paradoxes & artifacts, redefining extraordinary & genius, enabling constraints, adversity, governance, memetic mediation, our tribal histories, leadership, what Anna is working on now, and much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/14105960

#37 Dancing with COVID with Sarah McManus 04/09/2020

#37 Dancing with COVID with Sarah McManus Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Sarah McManus about her background, her emotional & psychological experience of contracting COVID-19, her ayahuasca shamanic apprenticeship in Peru, helplessness, emotional processing, the Bio-Emotive Framework, Buddhist practices & traditions, suffering, building & integrating new cultural platforms, reframing human development, pandemic fragility, learnings from Burning Man, dynamics of self-isolation, moving forward, chaos, order, and much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/13919591

#36 Twitter Q&A, Tragedy & Transformation 04/03/2020

#36 Twitter Q&A, Tragedy & Transformation Jared Janes & Jason Snyder answer Twitter Questions & cover bio-regenerational orientations, COVID-19 induced mindfulness, tragedy & transformation, emotional neurosis vs wholistic engagement, food systems, minority rule, the role of the curator, the fragility of capitalist systems, future forcing functions, collecting & utilizing mental models, kinetic & meta tribes, skin in the game, learning through failure, tribal exposure & apprenticeship, Jason & Jared's contemplative practices, and more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/13839830

#35 Erotic Potential with Debby Friday 03/27/2020

#35 Erotic Potential with Debby Friday Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with musician, artist & writer Debby Friday about reflecting in quarantine, how she sees the erotic as a lifeforce, embodiment & performance, COVID-19 impact on touring artists & what Debby has been doing while social distancing, cultural habit, virus as a ghost, death denial & death drive, tantric practice, creativity, pop music, the power of ritual, the church of social justice, evoking spirit & much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/13721639

#34 Reimagining Religion with Nathan Spears 03/11/2020

#34 Reimagining Religion with Nathan Spears Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Nathan Spears about his journey from religion to atheism and back again, Orthodox Christianity, modernizing religion, Vervaeke's four ways of knowing, the value of Christian language & story, bridging phenomenology & epistemology, the dynamics of belief, attention & intention, perennial philosophy, the body of Christ, and much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/13517321

#33 Chat & Twitter Q&A 03/05/2020

#33 Chat & Twitter Q&A Jared Janes and Jason Snyder have a wide-ranging chat about their podcast supporters, how Both/And could evolve, informal vs formal spiritual practice, stream entry & the path of awakening, exploring perspectives of the 'self', embodied cognition, enactivism, memetic mediation, bioregional living, collapse, xenophobia vs diversity, the future of localism, psychological/cultural development, fluid politics, silence, vulnerability, how Jason & Jared disagree, and much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/13433840

#32 Regenerating Earth with Joe Brewer 02/28/2020

#32 Regenerating Earth with Joe Brewer Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Joe Brewer about the impact of conceptuality on perception & embodiment, the impossibility of understanding planetary collapse & what that means, getting lost in abstraction & duality, personal & ecological trauma, making & breaking conceptual frames, cancerous human thinking, the invisible regenerative revolution, the dynamics of coercion, top-down vs bottom-up regeneration, ecological succession, sustainable life-systems, acting bioregionally, and more! /episode/index/show/bothand/id/13333892

#31 Conscious Evolution with Rob Cobbold 02/13/2020

#31 Conscious Evolution with Rob Cobbold Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Rob Cobbold about what led him to orient his life towards Conscious Evolution & what its core components are, the shortsightedness of antinatalism, spirituality & dualism, consciousness & ethics, limits of materialism & rationality, global governance, money, debt & interest, alternative currencies, societal flourishing, collapse & much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/13133405

#30 Aesthetic Embodiment with Rachel Haywire 01/30/2020

#30 Aesthetic Embodiment with Rachel Haywire Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk with Rachel Haywire about her presidential candidacy, what led her to art & philosophy, the art right, her view of the memetic tribal landscape, the power of memes, her critique on Jared & Jason's meta tribe, the role & power of aesthetics, psychic fascism, the challenges & benefits of embodiment, pain & suffering, spiritual materialism, embodied VR, politics as aesthetic, tribal immune systems, memetic fashion, the 'NPC' meme, transgressive arts, and much more! /episode/index/show/bothand/id/12942887

#29 Reducing Suffering with Evan Sandhoefner 01/15/2020

#29 Reducing Suffering with Evan Sandhoefner Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Evan Sandhoefner about what led him to utilitarianism & effective altruism, the flexibility of utilitarianism & some critiques, pluralistic virtue ethics, whether suffering is necessary & how it may affect animals & humans differently, whether we should remove wild predators to prevent animal suffering, creating unintentional animal suffering, consciousness, ethical meat production & factory farming, localism, universal explainers vs computers, intelligence, and mo /episode/index/show/bothand/id/12757679

#28 Grokking Holochain with David Atkinson 01/02/2020

#28 Grokking Holochain with David Atkinson Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with the Commercial Director of Holo/Holochain, David Atkinson. They cover what led David to the Holo team, systems thinking, biomimicry & evolution, the core elements of Holochain, how it compares to the blockchain, scalability, centralization vs decentralization, some potential impacts of this tech, its current phase of development, and much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/12599933

#27 The Future of Work with Paul Millerd 12/18/2019

#27 The Future of Work with Paul Millerd Jared Janes & Jason Snyder talk with Paul Millerd about his career path, Jared's recent leap to self-employment, the incentives of benefits, history of firm-based vs contract work, expectations of work & its connection to meaning & dignity, local community, the boundary between work & life, basic income, consumerism, GDP determined lifestyles, shared local commons, self-determination theory, the 40-hour workweek, the pathless path, work as service, complexity of teams & the role of chaos, and much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/12458969

#26 The New Left with Michael Brooks 12/05/2019

#26 The New Left with Michael Brooks Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Michael Brooks about what his show (TMBS) is about, his history with Integral Theory & meditation, his political perspective, the Kurdish situation in Rojava, dangers of idealism & ahistorical thinking, why politics needs spirituality, Michael's view on today's political narratives, his recent meditation retreat, how the Four Quadrants of Integral could impact political discourse, markets vs capitalism, centralization vs decentralization, fractal localism, & much m /episode/index/show/bothand/id/12285839

#25 Horrorism & Culture with Zero HP Lovecraft 11/21/2019

#25 Horrorism & Culture with Zero HP Lovecraft Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with the anonymous horrorist, Zero HP Lovecraft about why he started writing & where his alias came from, his new book, his creative process & influences, the horrorist aesthetic, the unknowability of our own values, the self & culture as software, media's impact on culture, his view on the future & contemplative development, euphoric depersonalization, the role of pain & suffering, societal hierarchies, cultural colonialism & design, chaos & order, and much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/12117614

#24 Religion, Creativity & Deleuze with Justin Murphy 11/07/2019

#24 Religion, Creativity & Deleuze with Justin Murphy Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with political scientist Justin Murphy about his path to becoming an independent artist & intellectual, what it means to him to be a libertarian communist, foundations of intrinsic human equality, his unique take on Gilles Deleuze in his new book Based Deleuze, creativity, Urbit and more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/11940254

#23 Integral Psych & Culture with Mark Forman 10/25/2019

#23 Integral Psych & Culture with Mark Forman Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Integral Psychologist Mark Forman about his journey to Integral theory & transpersonal psychology, how it differs from traditional psych, Integral's four quadrants & levels/stages frameworks, Sam Harris's conversational challenges, perspective-shifting, his reflections on practicing psych, trauma, authoritarian tendencies on the left & right, Trump's cultural impact, the state of the IDW & Integral, his view on metamodern theory, and the Freudian unconscious. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/11775770

#22 Meta-Rationality & Sexuality with Jessica 10/09/2019

#22 Meta-Rationality & Sexuality with Jessica Jared Janes and Jason Snyder have a wide-ranging chat with Jessica (@ssica3003) about her path to meta-rationality, her views on feminism, activism, post-modernism, men's rights, restorative vs retributive justice, utopian thinking, how meta-rationality relates & connects to bisexual life, polyamory, incels, cultural design, and much more! /episode/index/show/bothand/id/11584319

#21 What's next for Both/And? 10/03/2019

#21 What's next for Both/And? Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk about upcoming episodes, the Both/And Patreon launch, and speculate about the types of emergent collaboration that will arise from it. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/11507684

#20 What's Metamodern with Linda Ceriello & Greg Dember 09/25/2019

#20 What's Metamodern with Linda Ceriello & Greg Dember Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Linda Ceriello and Greg Dember about metamodernism as a cultural sensibility, traditionalism, modernism, postmodernism, what led them to start What Is Metamodern?, metamodern methods that media commonly uses, the ways metamodernism is interpreted, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, The Listening Society, and much more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/11398022

#19 Contextualizing the Spiritual with Jordan Hall 09/11/2019

#19 Contextualizing the Spiritual with Jordan Hall Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Jordan Hall about how spirituality relates to sovereignty, deep code, virtuous feedback loops, individual & cultural development, the logos of robots, intuition, the weird, parenthood and more! /episode/index/show/bothand/id/11217800

#18 Changing Systems with Evan Driscoll 08/29/2019

#18 Changing Systems with Evan Driscoll Jared Janes and Jason Snyder talk with Evan Driscoll about what leads to dysfunctional systems, coordination, social isolation, habits & behaviors that create better collective action, following our passions, burnout, hedonism, contemplative practice & more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/11052683

#17 Reflecting on Both/And Episodes & Themes 08/16/2019

#17 Reflecting on Both/And Episodes & Themes Jared Janes and Jason Snyder reflect on recent episodes & themes, their evolving perspectives on memetic mediation, and a laundry list of related topics they think are worth exploring more. /episode/index/show/bothand/id/10894649

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