Both Sides of the Fence

After 20 years as a Probation and Parole Agent, Kim understands the struggles and frustrations that people who are impacted by the Department of Corrections face and go through. From her professional and personal life, she has experienced these same emotions. On her podcast she talks, discusses, and supports women on “Both Sides of The Fence”. Those in the system and those supporting and loving those in the system. This podcast was created for one reason: WOMEN!!!! To encourage and support women by letting them know that YOU are not the only one going through this!

Happy 2023 01/03/2023

Happy 2023 Kim and Rikki look back at 2022. They talk about Covid, policies, and challenges with family, the system and the institutions. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/25482111

When It Hits Home 12/27/2022

When It Hits Home Kim talks about a personal situation that has hit close to home when her 2 year old grandson was shot in October. How her thought process changed regarding the criminal justice system and what should happen to those involved. Listen to the heartfelt story and her reaction to it. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/25420059

Cut Like A Knife 12/20/2022

Cut Like A Knife We all need to remember that words can be both helpful and hurtful. When they hurt us “they cut like a knife”. Even if that is not what we meant for them to do! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/25375476

Deacon Tom Part #3 12/13/2022

Deacon Tom Part #3 Kim talks to Deacon Tom in this final section about helping families, how to help, and what he thinks is needed for the future. When a person is sentenced the whole family is sentenced. When the come home, the whole family needs help with re-entry not just the incarcerated person! Take a listen /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/25301670

Deacon Tom Part #2 12/06/2022

Deacon Tom Part #2 Kim talks to Deacon Tom about his Support Group. He tells us why he started it and the families involved. We discuss how society judges them about their love ones, what they go through and what they really need. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/25225131

Speaking with Deacon Tom 11/29/2022

Speaking with Deacon Tom Kim talks with Deacon Tom about working with individuals in custody. Listen to his thoughts on how things are, and could possibly be better. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/25152441

Watch Your ………. 11/22/2022

Watch Your ………. Kim talks about how one thing leads to the next and then to the next. It starts to define us and gives people an image of who they think we are. Is it really you? Or are you just not watching? /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/25090764

Stop Waiting 11/15/2022

Stop Waiting Kim talks about letting life go by and not living it to the fullest. We often make decisions on the basis of others, the future, and not the here and now. We all need to live in the moment! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/25002651

Note To Self 11/08/2022

Note To Self Kim gives a Post It Note reminder of what we need to remember. She breaks it down so specify that you can actually post it on a Post It Note and place them on your mirror or refrigerator! Take a listen ….. we ALL need these reminders! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24929931

Facebook 11/01/2022

Facebook It is amazing the support there is on Facebook for women supporting loved ones in the system. The knowledge and love in these groups with no judgment or disrespect is what everyone needs! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24856758

Creating Kid Activities For Inmates In Prison 10/25/2022

Creating Kid Activities For Inmates In Prison Kim talks with Literacy Link Program about new initiatives for the jails and prisons with regards to inmates and their children. Absolutely amazing!!!! Making connections with children and their missing parent or love one. * Program also sponsored by American Family Insurance Institute for Corporate and Social Impact. https://theliteracylink.extension.wisc.edu /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24784356

Domestic Violence from the Inside 10/18/2022

Domestic Violence from the Inside Kim talks about the signs of domestic violence (DV) and resources. She wants everyone to know that struggling relationships can become healthy ones when given the tools and knowledge to make a change. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24712002

Self Care? What’s that? 10/11/2022

Self Care? What’s that? Kim talks about self care. She lets us know what we need to do for ourselves. Making sure that we are happy! What works for some does not work for others. So don’t feel like you have to follow the trend. Just be YOU! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24640992

A Grandma Tells Her Story 10/04/2022

A Grandma Tells Her Story Beth talks about her frustration with the system and her disappointment with her grandchildren. She says that her family has been sentenced as well. Listen to her thoughts about how she is treated by society and the staff even though she is not the one incarcerated. We all need to stop judging a book by its cover. Read the book and understand the entire system and not just go by what society thinks. She doesn’t excuse their behavior, but feels there could be better solutions. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24569697

A Mom's Story Twice #2 09/27/2022

A Mom's Story Twice #2 In part 2 Sara talks about her other son and the affect it has had on her and her family. She lets us know about the frustrations she goes through with the Department Of Corrections and her relationship with her son. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24494307

A Mom's Story Twice 09/20/2022

A Mom's Story Twice Sara talks about the things she has and is still going through with several family members being involved with the criminal justice system. She currently has two sons in prison. One is in federal prison and one is in a Wisconsin state prison. Listen to how she deals with her own struggles their struggles, her 9 year old grandson‘s issues and the rest of the family. Then she talks about the reality of their choices and consequences. How they were brought up has nothing to do with where they are now! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24421806

Pam Jones - Being a P.O. 09/13/2022

Pam Jones - Being a P.O. Retired P.O. Pam Jones, tells us about her 15 years with DOC and how it has affected her. She also talks about life after retirement and how she has changed. Kim and Pam talk about their years working together. Listen to their discussion about clients, caseloads and the advice they give to those impacted by the system. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24349845

My Stepdad Is In Prison 09/06/2022

My Stepdad Is In Prison Kim talks with Jazzmine about her relationship with her Stepdad and how it affects her daughter and her mom. She talks about her degree and her professional career and how this has changed her outlook on things. The conversation is amazing and makes you see things in a totally different light! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24215583

Derek Talks About How the Prison System Impacts Women 08/30/2022

Derek Talks About How the Prison System Impacts Women Listen as we talk about the impact on women in his life along with the impact on all women. We discuss support, protection, trauma, and love. An entire family can be affected by just one person being incarcerated. Hearing a real life story is fascinating to all! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24197349

Maximum Security -vs- Medium Security Prisons 08/23/2022

Maximum Security -vs- Medium Security Prisons Kim talks to Derek Williams again from Season 1 about his move from maximum security to medium security after 25 years. They talk about his adjustment, the differences and how it affects his wife. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24131184

Visiting Fox Lake Correctional Institution (Wisconsin State Prison) 08/16/2022

Visiting Fox Lake Correctional Institution (Wisconsin State Prison) Kim and Payton talk about their visit to the prison. Listen to their thoughts, descriptions and take always from the visit. Some are the same and some are different! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/24063201

Kim’s Son Goes To Prison 08/09/2022

Kim’s Son Goes To Prison Kim talks with her son about going on a visit to a WI Prison. She talks to him about his thoughts and feelings about the visit. Kim herself has not been to the prison as a visitor on this side of the fence. They both have a lot of unknowns. Listen as they discuss the upcoming visit and what each one is nervous about! /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23993862

Self Care, Me Time…..What’s That? 08/02/2022

Self Care, Me Time…..What’s That? Opening up Season 2 in Kim’s Korner. Kim talks about how we as women on ‘Both Sides of The Fence’ need to make sure that we are doing something for ourselves. Some of us call it a “Mental Health Day”!!!!!! Each of us have our own thing that makes us happy. Just because you don’t agree, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. So do you and don’t worry about me!!!! Listen as you see how things are just the same on both sides. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23923416

Brent Halfwassen Part #2 07/26/2022

Brent Halfwassen Part #2 Brent talks about working with Re-Entry and justice involved Entrepreneurs through the years. He tells us how volunteer service and Community service hours can build character, references, and work experience. His determination to help small businesses in Milwaukee shows in everything he does and all those he has mentored. Find out more about Brent at and schedule a FREE 30-Minute Coaching Discovery Call at /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23831261

Brent Halfwassen Part #1 07/19/2022

Brent Halfwassen Part #1 Brent Talks about his Milwaukee coaching business and how he has helped entrepreneurs build their own small businesses. Brent has a wealth of knowledge, connections, and insight to share with new and existing entrepreneurs in the Milwaukee area. Find out more about Brent at and schedule a FREE 30-Minute Coaching Discovery Call at /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23776268

We Got This 07/12/2022

We Got This Kim and Jamie talk with Alex Bruzan about the and what they do in and for the community with young people. It’s a wonderful program to try to keep our youth out of trouble and busy. Also teaching them to be young entrepreneurs. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23710574

Kim’s Korner Introductions 07/05/2022

Kim’s Korner Introductions Kim and Rikki share their connection and frustrations with certain programs and agencies. Hear about how certain things work and don’t work. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23627729

Violence In The City 06/28/2022

Violence In The City Kim and Jamie talked about violence in the city, the warm weather, and why decisions are made. Sometimes things are done due to a lack of understanding. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23552105

Mental Health Awareness 06/21/2022

Mental Health Awareness Kim and Jamie talk about everyone’s mental health. How we deal with it on the outside and how it is dealt with on the inside. Listen, laugh and find out some possible new information. /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23486261

Shannon Ross One Year Later 06/14/2022

Shannon Ross One Year Later Jamie and Kim talk with Shannon Ross about what he has been doing over the past year. The commitment, determination, and inspiration is unbelievable. Listen to his amazing journey. Learn More at /episode/index/show/bothsidesfence/id/23415884

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