The Church Revitalization Podcast
Each week, The Malphurs Group team tackles important, actionable topics to help your church succeed in revitalization and leadership. We want to equip your church break through barriers and maximize your impact.
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Three Budget Areas Your Church is Underfunding
03/18/2026
Three Budget Areas Your Church is Underfunding
Most church budget conversations focus on what to cut. But what if the real problem is what you're not funding? In this episode, Scott and A.J. make the case that churches are dangerously underfunding three key areas — and the cost shows up in plateaus, burnout, and declining impact long before leaders realize why. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are the hosts of the Church Revitalization Podcast and consultants with The Malphurs Group, a church health and strategic planning organization helping churches across the country move from plateau and decline toward fruitful, sustainable ministry. In this episode: [00:02:17] — Leadership Development: Why your biggest budget line item (personnel) is undermined when you invest nothing in developing those people [00:07:22] — Guest Experience & First Impressions: Signage, facilities, and follow-up systems — the areas churches know need work but never budget for [00:16:03] — Strategic Planning & Church Health: Why a one-time retreat with ideas on a whiteboard isn't a plan — and what it actually costs you not to plan [00:21:25] — Recap & Challenge: Three categories that are dangerously underfunded in most churches, and a practical challenge for each Resources & Links: 🔗 Free 7-Day Trial — 📖 Full article — 💳 TapConnect (save 10% with code TMG10) — 📘 Facebook — 📸 Instagram — ▶️ YouTube — 🐦 X —
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How to Overcome the "We've Always Done It This Way" Objection
03/11/2026
How to Overcome the "We've Always Done It This Way" Objection
"We've always done it this way." It's the most common objection church leaders face when trying to move their congregation forward — and one of the most frustrating. In this episode, Scott and A.J. break down what this phrase is actually communicating, who tends to say it and why, and walk through a practical three-step framework for responding to it without blowing up the unity of your church. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are consultants with The Malphurs Group, a church health and revitalization ministry. Each week on the Church Revitalization Podcast they bring practical, field-tested insights to help pastors and church leaders lead healthier, more effective churches. [00:06:34] What is the "We've Always Done It This Way" objection really communicating? Fear of loss, distrust of leadership, and absence of vision [00:12:13] Who says it? Understanding three types of objectors: the Loyal Traditionalist, the Power Protector, and the Chronic Objector [00:21:10] Step 1 — Validate, don't capitulate: honor the past without being held hostage to it [00:23:09] Step 2 — Reframe around mission, not preference: connect change to the Great Commission, not just strategy [00:26:01] Step 3 — Create small, early wins: build momentum through incremental change rather than trying to overhaul everything at once Resources & Links Free 7-Day Trial of the Healthy Churches Toolkit: TapConnect — Digital connect cards for your church (use code TMG10 for 10% off): Episode article: Follow The Malphurs Group: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X: Related Episodes:
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Why Your Small Groups Aren’t Actually Making Disciples
03/04/2026
Why Your Small Groups Aren’t Actually Making Disciples
Small groups are one of the most common ministries in the church — but are they actually producing disciples? In this episode, Scott and A.J. make the case that many churches have confused participation with transformation. Just because people show up to a group doesn't mean discipleship is happening. In fact, your small groups ministry might be the most dangerous ministry in your church — because you think discipleship is happening when it isn't. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are consultants with The Malphurs Group, helping churches develop practical strategies for revitalization, discipleship, and leadership. Each week on the Church Revitalization Podcast, they tackle actionable topics to help your church thrive. In this episode: [00:04:03] The "participation trap" — why getting people into groups isn't the same as making disciples [00:09:33] What Acts 2:41-47 tells us about what small groups should actually accomplish [00:14:11] The three things most small groups are missing: clear outcomes, accountability, and connection to the discipleship pathway [00:17:32] How to define your discipleship target and design groups around it [00:19:49] Why small group leaders need a framework, not just curriculum — and why they don't need to be Bible teachers Resources mentioned: 🛠️ Healthy Churches Toolkit (Small Groups Ministry Training by Build Groups): 📖 Full article & show notes: 🔌 TapConnect (church attendance & guest connection tool): — use code TMG10 for 10% off Connect with us:
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Warning Signs of Volunteer Burnout & How to Prevent Them
02/25/2026
Warning Signs of Volunteer Burnout & How to Prevent Them
Most churches don't lose volunteers to a dramatic exit — they lose them to a slow fade. In this episode, Scott Ball breaks down the three warning signs of volunteer burnout that leaders often miss until it's too late, and then shares three practical systems you can build right now to prevent burnout before it derails your ministry. Scott Ball is a church consultant with The Malphurs Group and co-host of the Church Revitalization Podcast. Each week, Scott and A.J. Mathieu tackle practical, actionable topics to help churches thrive. In this episode: [00:04:11] Why volunteer burnout is a barrier to recruiting new volunteers [00:04:56] Warning Sign #1 — The volunteer who's gone quiet [00:07:23] Warning Sign #2 — Scope creep without conversation [00:12:45] Warning Sign #3 — Withdrawing from community, not just ministry [00:17:31] Three systems to prevent burnout: role clarity, coaching cadence, and built-in off-ramps Resources & Links: 🔗 Free 7-Day Trial of the Healthy Churches Toolkit (includes volunteer position description samples and leadership pipeline tools): healthychurchestoolkit.com 🔗 Full article and resources for this episode: malphursgroup.com/329 🔗 Sponsor: TapConnect — track guests and attendance with a simple tap system. Use code TMG10 to save 10% off any plan: tapconnect.church 📱 Follow The Malphurs Group: Facebook: facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram: instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube: youtube.com/themalphursgroup X: x.com/malphursgroup
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Building a Church That Outlasts Your Leadership
02/18/2026
Building a Church That Outlasts Your Leadership
What can medieval cathedral builders teach us about church leadership? Notre Dame took over 200 years to build — surviving wars, plagues, and leadership transitions — yet many modern churches can't survive a single pastoral transition. In this episode, Scott and A.J. explore why so many churches collapse when a long-tenured pastor leaves, and what you can do to build something that lasts far beyond your tenure. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants and the hosts of the Church Revitalization Podcast, brought to you by the Malphurs Group. Each week they tackle practical, actionable topics to help church leaders and their churches thrive. In this episode: [00:00] The Notre Dame inspiration: what 200-year building projects teach us about church leadership [06:31] The problem: why your church won't survive your pastorate [07:47] Lesson 1: Mission over personality — making your church's identity transferable [10:10] Lesson 2: Distribute the knowledge — eliminating leadership bottlenecks [19:19] Lesson 3: Think generationally — laying foundations for the future [23:05] Action steps: audit bottlenecks, document everything, and test your systems 🔗 Links & Resources: Read the article: malphursgroup.com/328 Free 7-day trial of the Healthy Churches Toolkit: healthychurchestoolkit.com Support our global ministry: malphursgroup.com/donate Check out TapConnect: tapconnect.church (use code TMG10 for 10% off) Connect with us: Facebook: facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram: instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube: youtube.com/themalphursgroup X: x.com/malphursgroup
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The Hidden Cost of 'Just One More Ministry'
02/11/2026
The Hidden Cost of 'Just One More Ministry'
Every church leader faces the dilemma: someone brings you an exciting new ministry idea, and it's easier to say yes than to disappoint them. But continuously adding programs creates calendar clutter, burns out volunteers, drains resources, and confuses your congregation about what actually matters. In this episode, we equip you with a practical three-question framework to discern when to say yes to new ministry ideas—and how to gracefully say no when needed. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, where they help churches navigate decline, leadership challenges, and organizational health. Through their podcast and consulting work, they challenge conventional church leadership thinking while providing immediately implementable strategies that prioritize kingdom work over member comfort. In This Episode: [00:00] The hidden cost of saying yes to every ministry idea and why calendar clutter is killing your church [08:18] Three filtering questions to evaluate new ministry proposals: mission alignment, existing ministry overlap, and resource optimization [15:07] Walking through real examples: when to say yes, when to replace, and when to pilot-test new ideas [18:41] How to say no gracefully: affirm the heart, redirect the passion, and offer a future path [23:04] Why saying no to good things protects your ability to say yes to the best things Links & Resources: Read the full article: malphursgroup.com/327 Try the Healthy Churches Toolkit free for 7 days: healthychurchestoolkit.com Learn more about TapConnect Use Code TMG10 to save 10%: tapconnect.church Connect with us on Facebook: facebook.com/malphursgroup Follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/malphursgroup Subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/themalphursgroup Follow us on X: x.com/malphursgroup
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Why Churches Struggle to Keep Young Adults (And How to Fix It)
02/04/2026
Why Churches Struggle to Keep Young Adults (And How to Fix It)
Churches across America are losing 60-80% of young adults between ages 18-29, and most leaders are trying all the wrong fixes. It's not about being cooler, having better coffee, or upgrading your lights. In this episode, we break down the two real reasons young adults leave your church and give you three actionable fixes you can implement this month to turn things around. In This Episode: [02:00] Why "being cooler" won't solve your young adult problem [04:43] Reason #1: You're not giving them real responsibility or leadership opportunities [09:00] Reason #2: You're not providing authentic community—just programs [15:00] How to build natural connection points instead of more structured groups [21:08] The three questions to ask young adults in your church this week Resources & Links: 📖 Read the full article: 🛠️ Try the Healthy Churches Toolkit FREE for 7 days: 🌐 Connect with The Malphurs Group: Follow us on social media: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X/Twitter: -- Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, helping church leaders navigate revitalization, strategic planning, and building healthy ministry systems. Together, they deliver practical, no-nonsense advice to help your church thrive.
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Three Signs Your Discipleship Pathway Has Become a Maze
01/28/2026
Three Signs Your Discipleship Pathway Has Become a Maze
Your church has groups, classes, Bible studies, and a beautiful buffet of programs—but your people aren't growing spiritually. You're seeing staff burnout, volunteer shortages, and 40% of your congregation still can't quote the Great Commission. The problem isn't lack of activity; it's that you've created a maze of programs instead of a clear discipleship pathway. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are your hosts for The Church Revitalization Podcast, a weekly show from The Malphurs Group dedicated to helping church leaders develop practical strategies for church health and growth. Together they bring decades of consulting experience working with churches across the country to implement effective discipleship systems. In this episode, Scott and A.J. diagnose three critical signs your church has a maze instead of a map. [2:13] Sign #1: Menu vs. Map [6:28] Sign #2: Members Can't Name Their Next Step [13:08] Sign #3: Measuring Programs, Not Progress The episode concludes with practical steps to shift from program-oriented thinking to process-oriented discipleship. Ready to simplify and strengthen your church's discipleship pathway? Get a 7-day free trial of the Healthy Churches Toolkit at healthychurchestoolkit.com, where you'll find Strategic Envisioning training and tools to help you build a clear discipleship process. Connect with a certified Malphurs Group guide at malphursgroup.com to partner with your church in making disciples who make disciples. Follow us on social media: Facebook: facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram: instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube: youtube.com/themalphursgroup X: x.com/malphursgroup Read the full show notes at malphursgroup.com/325
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How to Lead When Your Church Board is Divided
01/21/2026
How to Lead When Your Church Board is Divided
Board meetings going nowhere? Two members dug in on opposite sides? Today we tackle one of the most common—and most damaging—situations church leaders face: how to actually lead when your board is divided. Learn to diagnose the real issue, make decisions without unanimity, and prevent division through clear authority structures. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, specializing in helping churches navigate leadership challenges, strategic planning, and revitalization. Through practical frameworks and real-world experience, they equip pastors and church leaders with actionable solutions for building healthy, thriving congregations. In This Episode: [1:11] Diagnose the Division: Understanding directional vs. relational conflict [8:45] Lead to a Decision: Why unity doesn't mean unanimity [15:42] Prevent Division by Clarifying Authority: Setting boundaries before conflict [21:40] Next Steps: Resources for healthy board leadership Links & Resources: 📖 Read the full article: malphursgroup.com/324 🎁 🎓Building a Biblical Board Course available in the Healthy Churches Toolkit Free 7-Day Trial: healthychurchestoolkit.com 📱 Connect with us on Facebook: facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram: instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube: youtube.com/themalphursgroup X/Twitter: x.com/malphursgroup
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Four Communication Breakdowns That Kill Church Momentum
01/14/2026
Four Communication Breakdowns That Kill Church Momentum
Clear communication is essential for everything from teaching God's word to casting vision, yet many churches struggle with four common breakdowns that create confusion and stall momentum. In this episode, Scott and A.J. walk through the most frequent communication mistakes churches make—from drowning their congregation in noise to contradicting messages from leadership—and provide practical strategies to communicate more effectively. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, helping churches navigate revitalization, strategic planning, and leadership development. With decades of combined experience working with churches across the country, they bring practical, actionable insights to help church leaders build healthier, more effective ministries. In This Episode: [2:06] Over Communicating Everything [6:15] Under Communicating the Important Stuff [11:30] Leadership Contradicting One Another [19:41] Wrong Medium for the Message Resources & Links: Read the full article at https://malphursgroup.com/323 Try the Healthy Churches Toolkit free for 7 days: https://healthychurchestoolkit.com Contact The Malphurs Group: Visit our website: malphursgroup.com Follow us on social media: Facebook: https://facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram: https://instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube: https://youtube.com/themalphursgroup X (Twitter): https://x.com/malphursgroup
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Why Your Church's Values Don't Match Your Budget (And What to Do About It)
01/07/2026
Why Your Church's Values Don't Match Your Budget (And What to Do About It)
Your budget is the most honest document in your church. While mission statements and value declarations tell you what you aspire to be, your budget reveals what you actually prioritize and fund. In this episode, Scott and A.J. help church leaders audit their budgets to identify misalignment between stated values and actual spending, then provide a practical framework for making strategic shifts over time without creating financial chaos. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu co-host the Church Revitalization Podcast, helping evangelical church leaders navigate the practical challenges of ministry. Both serve as consultants with the Malphurs Group, working with churches across the country on strategic planning, leadership development, and organizational health. Their conversational approach combines real-world consulting experience with actionable frameworks that church leaders can implement immediately. IN THIS EPISODE: [00:02:51] Budget Reveals the Truth [00:11:37] Conducting a Values-Based Budget Audit - [00:24:14] The Four Budget Buckets Framework [00:32:56] The Missions vs. Ministry Balance [00:37:39] Taking the Long View on Change RESOURCES & LINKS: Free 7-Day Trial of the Healthy Churches Toolkit (with new strategic planning & leadership pipeline features): healthychurchestoolkit.com Full Episode Article: malphursgroup.com/322 Connect with The Malphurs Group: Website: malphursgroup.com Facebook: facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram: instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube: youtube.com/themalphursgroup X (Twitter): x.com/malphursgroup Let the Malphurs Group help your church with budget alignment, strategic planning, and maximizing your ministry effectiveness. Visit malphursgroup.com to learn more about our consulting services and resources.
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Church Consultants React to Social Media Christmas Clips
12/17/2025
Church Consultants React to Social Media Christmas Clips
In this special Christmas episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu react in real time to a series of viral Christmas-themed church and Christian videos circulating online. From funny and lighthearted moments to intense theological takes and over-the-top productions, this episode explores how Christians communicate faith during the Christmas season—and how those messages are received by both believers and the watching world. Scott Ball is joined by co-host and fellow church consultant A.J. Mathieu as they offer candid, unscripted reactions rooted in decades of ministry experience. Together, they discuss pastoral wisdom, cultural engagement, outreach effectiveness, and where well-intended Christmas expressions may help—or hurt—the church’s witness. Chapters [00:00] Introduction [02:15] Pastors, humor, and calling out fruitcake from the pulpit [04:41] “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” and why punctuation matters in theology [07:45] Is Christmas pagan? Responding to extreme anti-Christmas arguments [12:44] Cross-shaped Christmas trees and symbolic overcorrections [18:08] “Christmas at the Movies” sermon series—helpful or overdone? [24:20] Mega-church Christmas productions, ticket prices, and public perception [34:12] A deeper look at A Christmas Carol and the dangers of moral rigidity Links & Resources Healthy Churches Toolkit - https://healthychurchestoolkit.com The Malphurs Group - https://malphursgroup.com Facebook - https://facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram - https://instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube - https://youtube.com/themalphursgroup X (Twitter) - https://x.com/malphursgroup
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From Burnout to Best Fit: How to Transition Over-Committed Volunteers
12/10/2025
From Burnout to Best Fit: How to Transition Over-Committed Volunteers
Many churches struggle with volunteers who are spread too thin—serving in three, four, or even five roles. In this episode, we explore why narrowing volunteer focus actually increases effectiveness and joy in serving, and how to transition your church to a healthier, more sustainable volunteer culture. Hosted by Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu of The Malphurs Group, this conversation walks you through practical steps any church can take. If you’re new to the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott and A.J. bring decades of combined church consulting experience, helping churches grow healthier through strategy, leadership, and intentional systems. In this episode: [00:01] Setting the stage: volunteers doing too much and the 80/20 problem [02:18] Why people fear reducing volunteer roles—and why it actually works [03:20] Step 1: Creating a realistic, intentional timeline for change [07:20] Step 2: Helping volunteers find their best-fit roles through Divine Design [12:20] Step 3: Engaging volunteers in recruiting their successors [15:27] Step 4: Why a Leadership Pipeline is essential to prevent the problem from returning [17:41] “Slow is smooth, smooth is fast” applied to volunteer transition [18:47] Building systems instead of just filling slots Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit → https://healthychurchestoolkit.com Full episode article → https://malphursgroup.com/320 Website → https://malphursgroup.com Facebook → https://facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram → https://instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube → https://youtube.com/themalphursgroup X (Twitter) → https://x.com/malphursgroup
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5 Reasons Church Revitalization Efforts Fail
12/03/2025
5 Reasons Church Revitalization Efforts Fail
In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu discuss five key reasons why revitalization efforts in churches often fail. They emphasize the importance of distinguishing between activity and genuine progress, recognizing demographic changes in the community, establishing accountability structures, navigating decision-making challenges, and avoiding the consensus trap that can hinder momentum. The conversation highlights practical strategies for churches to implement effective revitalization processes and the value of having experienced guides to support them. Chapters [00:00] Understanding Revitalization Failures [07:01] Demographic Mismatch in Revitalization [12:12] Importance of Accountability in Implementation [15:42] Decision-Making Challenges in Revitalization [19:36] Navigating the Consensus Trap Get a free 7-day trial of the Healthy Churches Toolkit at healthychurchestoolkit.com Follow us online: malphursgroup.com facebook.com/malphursgroup x.com/malphursgroup instagram.com/malphursgroup youtube.com/themalphursgroup
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Scott & A.J. Debate the Best Christmas Set List
11/26/2025
Scott & A.J. Debate the Best Christmas Set List
This week, Scott and AJ take a fun holiday detour and build the ultimate Christmas worship setlist—draft style. They debate classics, song arrangements, emotional picks, and what actually serves a congregation well during Advent. Equal parts practical and playful, this episode will get you thinking about your Christmas services. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu co-host The Church Revitalization Podcast and lead The Malphurs Group, helping churches experience renewed health and grow with confidence. If this is your first time listening, welcome—expect practical, actionable conversations rooted in real ministry experience. In this episode (timestamps): 00:41 — Why Christmas music matters in worship planning 05:05 — The “draft rules” and first-round song selections 13:08 — Debating arrangements, modern twists, and nostalgia 18:00 — Vulnerable stories behind certain song choices 25:28 — Final setlists, service flow, and surprising endings LINKS Healthy Churches Toolkit — https://healthychurchestoolkit.com The Malphurs Group — https://malphursgroup.com Facebook — https://facebook.com/malphursgroup Instagram — https://instagram.com/malphursgroup YouTube — https://youtube.com/themalphursgroup X (Twitter) — https://x.com/malphursgroup
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Three Church Membership Mistakes
11/19/2025
Three Church Membership Mistakes
Many churches struggle to maintain healthy membership systems. In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu unpack the three most common membership pathway mistakes churches make—and how to fix them. Whether your process is too long, too short, or simply unclear, this episode will help you build a pathway that’s meaningful, strategic, and effective. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are the co-hosts of the Church Revitalization Podcast and leaders at The Malphurs Group, helping churches grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and the Healthy Churches Toolkit. In this episode, you’ll hear: [00:06:00] Why “right-sizing” your membership process matters [00:12:00] How to communicate the “why” behind church membership [00:16:00] Why membership should be the beginning—not the end—of discipleship [00:22:00] How to measure engagement and care for members well [00:25:00] Practical tips for evaluating and improving your membership system Links & Resources Mentioned: Full article: Learn more: Visit The Malphurs Group: Follow us on social media:
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Equipping Parents to Have Hard Conversations with Teens
11/11/2025
Equipping Parents to Have Hard Conversations with Teens
Parenting in today’s world can feel overwhelming—especially when it comes to tackling the tough topics. In this episode, Scott Ball sits down with youth pastor and author Mark Shoemaker to talk about his new book What to Say and How to Say It to Your Teen, co-written with his father, Tim Shoemaker. Together, they discuss how parents can approach difficult conversations with wisdom, grace, and confidence. Scott Ball is the Vice President of The Malphurs Group and co-host of the Church Revitalization Podcast, helping churches and leaders develop clarity, structure, and health. Mark Shoemaker is a veteran youth pastor and author, passionate about equipping parents to disciple their kids and foster meaningful communication in the home. In this episode, you’ll hear: [00:02:00] The heart behind What to Say and How to Say It to Your Teen [00:05:00] Why timing and emotional awareness matter in parenting conversations [00:08:00] How to prepare your heart and approach for sensitive topics [00:14:00] How church leaders and youth pastors can partner with parents [00:21:00] Practical ideas for creating space for meaningful talks with your kids Links & Resources Mentioned: Get the book: Explore more resources: Follow The Malphurs Group on social media:
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Making the Most of Your Staff Meetings
11/05/2025
Making the Most of Your Staff Meetings
Are your staff meetings dominated by information gathering and idle chit-chat instead of strategic decision-making? In this episode, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu share practical strategies to transform your weekly team time from wasted hours into productive, vision-focused collaboration that actually moves your ministry forward. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are co-hosts of the Church Revitalization Podcast and consultants with the Malphurs Group, where they help churches develop healthy systems and strategic clarity. With decades of combined experience in church leadership, they bring practical, field-tested insights to help your church thrive. In This Episode: [00:00] Why most churches waste their staff meeting time and how to fix it [03:49] Gather information before the meeting—don't wing it or rely on repetitive updates [07:09] Prioritize collaborative decision-making over information reporting [09:04] Avoid one-on-one conversations that should happen offline [11:29] Keep vision, mission, and strategy at the center of every meeting [13:25] End with clarity: tasks, due dates, deliverables, and accountability Resources & Links: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Full Article for This Episode: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X/Twitter: https://x.com/malphursgroup
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Case Study: Growing a Small Church in a Big City
10/29/2025
Case Study: Growing a Small Church in a Big City
How can a small church in a large metro area find a path toward growth? In this case study episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu walk through the real-life scenario of a 35-person congregation with an older membership, a new part-time pastor, and big questions about what comes next. Instead of offering cookie-cutter solutions, they pose four critical questions every small church should ask to clarify strategy, focus resources, and take meaningful steps forward . Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, equipping churches worldwide to grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. Whether you lead a small church or simply want practical insights, you’ll find encouragement and actionable takeaways here. In this episode: [05:17] Why visibility—both in the community and online—matters for small churches [13:20] How to identify and invest in “tent-pole” ministries like kids or outreach [20:02] Why doubling down on bold, biblical teaching leads to real growth [25:28] Building spiritual friendships that last from Sunday to Sunday [29:45] How to balance patience with urgency when leading change Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Episode Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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Should Your Church Do Strategic Planning Between Pastors?
10/22/2025
Should Your Church Do Strategic Planning Between Pastors?
Should your church do strategic planning during a pastoral transition—or wait until a new pastor arrives? In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu tackle one of the most common questions churches ask during seasons of change. They outline why planning now is almost always the better choice and how it can set up your next pastor and congregation for long-term success. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, equipping churches worldwide to grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. With over a decade of experience, they share practical wisdom for navigating transitions with clarity and confidence. In this episode: [02:10] When strategic planning may not be the right timing [05:30] How planning shapes better job postings and candidate alignment [08:13] Why pre-planning strengthens mission, vision, and pastoral fit [12:49] Increasing congregational buy-in and unity during transition [18:38] Giving your next pastor a better decision-making framework [22:01] Addressing the concern of “cutting out” the new pastor Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Episode Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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How Pastors Can Balance Shepherding and Vision
10/15/2025
How Pastors Can Balance Shepherding and Vision
How can shepherding pastors lead effectively in vision and strategy? In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu address a common challenge: pastors who excel in relational and pastoral care but feel less confident when it comes to vision and strategy. They share practical steps for leaning into strengths, building balanced teams, and leading with humility while still guiding the church toward God’s future. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, equipping churches worldwide to grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. Whether you naturally lean toward shepherding or strategy, you’ll find encouragement and tools to lead with confidence. In this episode: [03:42] Recognizing your strengths and weaknesses without self-doubt [08:09] Why building a complementary team is essential for balance [11:01] How to live your role and lean into your pastoral strengths [13:57] Avoiding pride and empowering others to lead alongside you [15:33] Lessons from Moses and the importance of humility in leadership Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Episode Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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How to Get Your People to USE Planning Center
10/08/2025
How to Get Your People to USE Planning Center
How do you get your team to actually use Planning Center—or any church management software—consistently?In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu share practical strategies to boost adoption and ensure your church gets the most value from your ChMS investment. From identifying the right core features to building solid onboarding systems, you’ll learn how to turn good intentions into long-term habits. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, equipping churches worldwide to grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. Whether your team is brand new to Planning Center or you’ve been using it for years, you’ll find actionable tips to increase buy-in and effectiveness. In this episode: [04:02] How to determine the most critical features for everyone to use [09:37] The importance of onboarding and re-training for lasting adoption [14:15] Why checklists are your secret weapon for consistent use [18:26] How to build accountability into your software processes [21:58] Encouraging a culture of shared responsibility with Planning Center Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Episode Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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How Can Healthy Churches Help Declining Churches?
10/01/2025
How Can Healthy Churches Help Declining Churches?
How can a healthy church come alongside a declining one to bring new life? In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu explore practical and biblical ways for thriving churches to partner with struggling congregations. From building trust to offering tangible support, this conversation unpacks how partnerships can honor both churches’ missions while maximizing Kingdom impact. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, equipping churches worldwide to grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. Whether you lead a strong church or one in need of revitalization, you’ll find actionable ideas for collaboration that blesses both congregations. In this episode: [04:18] Why humility is the first step toward healthy church partnerships [09:06] How to approach a declining church without creating defensiveness [14:42] Practical ways a healthy church can provide resources and support [20:17] The role of shared vision in ensuring partnership success [24:33] Long-term strategies for sustaining revitalization efforts Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Episode Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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Should Our Church Close?
09/24/2025
Should Our Church Close?
When is it time for a church to close its doors? In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu discuss how to discern whether your congregation should pursue revitalization or intentionally close. Using the analogy of CPR, they outline key indicators of church health, the realities of revitalization efforts, and kingdom-minded options if closure becomes the best step. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, equipping churches worldwide to grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. Whether your church is facing decline or you want to prevent it, this conversation offers both practical insight and hope. In this episode: [03:03] Understanding “critical mass” and why motivation matters more than money [07:11] The CPR analogy for revitalization—why there’s no harm in trying [12:18] Why outside help is essential for near-death churches [15:16] When closing may be the best option and how to plan for it [17:57] Kingdom-minded ways to bless others with your church’s assets [21:34] How closure can still be a witness of resurrection and renewal Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Episode Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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How Churches Can Manage and Prioritize Community Partnerships
09/17/2025
How Churches Can Manage and Prioritize Community Partnerships
How should your church manage and prioritize community partnerships? In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu unpack how to evaluate, categorize, and communicate about partnerships—whether they’re with local ministries, national organizations, or groups using your facility. Learn how to align partnerships with your mission and vision while avoiding “pathway creep” that dilutes your church’s focus. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, equipping churches worldwide to grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. Whether you lead a large church or a small congregation, you’ll find practical steps for prioritizing partnerships that make the greatest Kingdom impact. In this episode: [04:36] Why categorizing partnerships as primary, secondary, or good neighbor is essential [07:55] How to identify and invest in primary ministry partnerships [14:01] The role and purpose of secondary ministry partnerships [18:20] Defining “good neighbor” partnerships and when to limit promotion [26:26] How to create a communication plan that protects your discipleship pathway Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Episode Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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Three Elder Selection Pitfalls
09/10/2025
Three Elder Selection Pitfalls
What makes someone truly qualified to serve as an elder in your church? In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu share three common pitfalls churches face when selecting elder candidates—and how to avoid them. From clarifying the difference between longevity and competency to defining role expectations, this conversation will help you build a stronger, healthier leadership team. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, equipping churches around the world to grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. Whether you’re new to the show or a regular listener, you’ll find practical insights you can put into action right away. In this episode: [05:31] Why confusing longevity with competency can lead to poor leadership choices [11:51] How overlooking team chemistry can derail your board’s effectiveness [18:09] The cost of failing to clarify elder role expectations [22:40] Practical steps to strengthen your selection process and team unity Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Episode Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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Should Your Church Do a Building Project?
09/03/2025
Should Your Church Do a Building Project?
When is the right time for your church to expand its building? In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu share three key considerations every church should evaluate before committing to a major building project. From clarifying vision to setting measurable benchmarks and crafting a financial plan, this discussion will help you avoid costly missteps and position your church for long-term health and impact. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu are church consultants with The Malphurs Group, helping churches worldwide grow healthier through strategic planning, leadership development, and revitalization. Whether you’re a first-time listener or a long-time subscriber, you’ll find practical, actionable advice to guide your church’s next steps. In this episode (with timestamps): [1:34] The first and most important question: Does your building project align with your mission and vision? [9:17] Why you need clear benchmarks before committing to construction [13:40] How to think through space optimization, parking, and other logistics before you build [17:32] Creating a rock-solid financial and campaign plan [21:53] Why working with a specialist can save you from incomplete or stalled projects Links & Resources: Healthy Churches Toolkit: Article: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (Twitter):
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How Do We Create an Evangelism and Outreach Culture in Our Church?
08/27/2025
How Do We Create an Evangelism and Outreach Culture in Our Church?
Evangelism isn’t a program—it’s a culture rooted in identity. In this episode of the Church Revitalization Podcast, we explore how churches can move from sporadic outreach events to fostering a deep, church-wide culture of evangelism that flows naturally from who we are in Christ. Hosts Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu from The Malphurs Group bring their practical experience working with hundreds of churches to help you reframe evangelism as a core component of your church’s DNA, not just a once-a-year effort. In this episode: [00:42] Why evangelism is more about identity than activity [12:16] How to equip people to share their faith with confidence [20:58] Prioritizing local outreach while still supporting global missions [25:18] Why you should celebrate effort—not just results—in evangelism [27:27] The importance of sowing seeds and trusting God with the harvest Resources & Links: 🎯 🧰 📘 Follow us on social media: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: X (formerly Twitter):
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From Doing to Leading as a Church Leader
08/20/2025
From Doing to Leading as a Church Leader
Many churches struggle with senior leaders who are stuck doing ministry instead of leading others to do it. In this episode, we break down how to make the shift—biblically and practically—from being hands-on doers to high-leverage leaders who equip others for lasting impact. Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu, church consultants with The Malphurs Group, co-host the Church Revitalization Podcast. With decades of combined experience helping churches thrive, they share real-world insights for leaders looking to lead more effectively and build healthier teams. In this episode: (00:45) Why equipping others is a biblical imperative (Ephesians 4) (06:20) What it really means to lead instead of do (13:00) Why you need more tolerance for failure and less for mediocrity (19:40) How to build a culture that rewards leadership, not just busyness (23:45) Practical steps for managing the transition from doing to leading 🔗 Links & Resources → — Try it free for 7 days → → → → →
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How to Get More People into Small Groups
08/13/2025
How to Get More People into Small Groups
People don’t join small groups because of catchy announcements—they join because they’re hungry for connection. In this episode, we explore how to communicate the real value of groups: not as a program, but as a path to deeper spiritual and relational health. If your small groups ministry feels stuck, this conversation will help you reframe the message and reengage your people. Hosted by church consultants Scott Ball and A.J. Mathieu of The Malphurs Group, this episode offers practical strategies grounded in theology and real-world experience from helping hundreds of churches. In this episode, you’ll learn: → [00:03:56] Why small groups meet a deep emotional and spiritual need → [00:10:24] How to teach the theology of fellowship without guilt-tripping → [00:15:54] Why showing (not telling) is key to group engagement → [00:19:04] How to keep momentum without falling into false starts → [00:22:47] A powerful tool that auto-generates small group guides and more LINKS → Article: https://malphursgroup.com/303 → Toolkit: https://healthychurchestoolkit.com → Facebook: https://facebook.com/malphursgroup → Instagram: https://instagram.com/malphursgroup → YouTube: https://youtube.com/themalphursgroup → X (formerly Twitter): https://x.com/malphursgroup
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