Cultra Trail Running
Our weekly podcast shares the unique perspective of the North East, Beast Coast Ultra running scene: raw, impulsive, and irreverent. The Cultra Trail Running Podcast is a place where we can get together and discuss all the fun stuff that happens on the trails that most normal people don't care about. Join the Cult! or maybe you already have without realizing it... resistance is futile.
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353: Liz Derstine Music on the PCT Ridgeline
04/06/2026
353: Liz Derstine Music on the PCT Ridgeline
AFB, Anna, and Phred welcome back ultrarunner, musician, and all-around adventurer Liz Derstine. Liz last appeared on Episode 112 talking about her Appalachian Trail FKT, and this time the conversation is about her PCT FKT attempt and her new film Ridgeline. We drift into the strange and wonderful overlap between running, hiking, and music. The group talks about balancing creative life with endurance pursuits, from touring with bands to chasing big miles on trails like the Pacific Crest Trail. Liz shares stories from her PCT hike, including desert night hiking, hauling liters of water between sources, and the occasional terrifying snow crossing. Along the way the Cultra crew discusses FKTs, gear organization systems, and the ultrarunning community’s habit of generously sharing knowledge with newcomers. There’s also a brief memorial for the dearly departed Cultra Karaoke Hotline (thanks, Google), and a discussion of Liz’s current composing projects and newsletter Pink Feathers, where she writes about the intersection of music and endurance adventure. Subscribe to Get your official at our store! Closing music by Suno Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Twitter Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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352: Vermont 100 Beast Coast Trail Running Stories with Amy Rusiecki
03/27/2026
352: Vermont 100 Beast Coast Trail Running Stories with Amy Rusiecki
Anna, Fred, Josh, and AFB sit down with Amy Rusiecki, the longtime race director of the legendary Vermont 100 Endurance Run. Amy shares the behind-the-scenes realities of directing one of the oldest 100-mile races in the country and how she ended up becoming one of the most respected organizers in the sport. If you love a great story, you’ve stumbled into a whole pasture of them, like opening the gate and finding the World’s Largest Cow waiting for you. Amy talks about her early days in endurance sports, how she transitioned from competitive XC skier and ultrarunner to race director, and the complicated logistics of managing hundreds of runners, horses, volunteers, and aid stations across rural Vermont. The group dives into the balancing act of preserving the history and culture of the Vermont 100 while adapting to the modern ultrarunning world. So many great stories! The conversation also covers the volunteer ecosystem that keeps ultras alive, the unique runner-horse dynamic at VT100, how races survive in an era of permits and land management challenges, and why community is still the heart of the sport. Amy shares how The Vermont 100 Endurance Run has long supported a nonprofit that provides year-round sports and recreation opportunities for people with disabilities. Proceeds from the race help fund adaptive programs like skiing, cycling, paddling, and trail running throughout Vermont. Of course, it wouldn’t be Cultra without some tangents along the way, gear talk, race directing war stories, and the usual Northeast trail running chaos. Amy also reflects on what makes the Vermont 100 special, what runners often don’t see behind the curtain, and why the race continues to matter to so many people in the ultrarunning community. If you’ve ever run, volunteered at, or dreamed about the Vermont 100, this episode pulls back the curtain on one of the most iconic races in the sport, and the origin story of Cultra Learn more about how to support Get your official at our store! Intro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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351 Time Warp, Umstead 100 and Patreon Barbershop
03/22/2026
351 Time Warp, Umstead 100 and Patreon Barbershop
Art and Phred dive into treadmill survival strategies, including Phred’s classic 1:05 reset method, the magic of a 15% incline, and the universal truth that starting too fast indoors is a bad life choice. Art is eyeing a March 15 return to running, sharing some winter miles at Lincoln Woods and the awkward reality of snowshoeing. The conversation rolls into the chaos of the Umstead 100—a brutally simple crushed gravel grind with a registration process that sells out in minutes and legends like Mike Smith stacking up finishes. Music talk hits peak Cultra with Grateful Dead vibes and “Time Warp” from The Rocky Horror Picture Show landing right in the cadence sweet spot. Cultra Bot drops some Barber shop… As always, the show is powered 112% by listeners, with Patreon support helping upgrade the audio. Support is good. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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350: Guitar Playing in the Orange Mud with Josh Sprague
03/12/2026
350: Guitar Playing in the Orange Mud with Josh Sprague
This week the Cultra Crew AFB and Anna G. talk with Josh Sprague — founder of Orange Mud — about building gear, starting businesses, and adventure racing. Josh grew up on a Kansas farm selling rubber band guns and raising 4-H pigs before working at Walmart and Goodyear. In 2012 he started Orange Mud after getting frustrated with hydration packs that didn’t work for runners. By 2014 he quit corporate life and went all in. We also talk adventure racing, the multi-sport sufferfest of running, biking, paddling, and navigating with map and compass plus gear design, heat management, and why Josh only creates products when they’re actually better. Josh also runs 7 Clay and Anvil and Acre, all while keeping Orange Mud independently owned. Adventure, entrepreneurship, gear nerdery, and the usual Cultra nonsense. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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349: Weighted Vest Ski Jumping at Black Canyon 100K
02/20/2026
349: Weighted Vest Ski Jumping at Black Canyon 100K
Ellie Pell joins AFB, Phred, and Anna G talkin desert DNFs, frozen suffering, Barkley chaos, Olympic trivia, and women’s running research, all in classic Cultra style. Ellie’s Black Canyon DNF Ellie breaks down her early exit at the Black Canyon 100K after a mile-4 muscle cramp shut things down. Contributing factors: hydration, pacing, and warm-up. Or was it just the body doing what it do? Frozen Snot Report Anna G recaps the brutally cold Frozen Snot Trail 1/2 Marathon—boulder fields, shortened distances, and legendary volunteers. Barkley, Big Races & The Sport’s Direction Is trail running evolving, or being packaged? The group dives into what growth means for culture, community, and authenticity. Cultra Matic: Winter Olympics They name all 16 winter sports and invent new ones (ski jump biathlon, endurance figure skating, full-contact 50K speed skating). How to bring Ultra events to the Olympics. Research & Real Talk Ellie shares insights from her weighted vest study on postmenopausal women and as we discuss female participation in trail running. AFB updates listeners on shoulder recovery and the podcast’s continued return to weekly episodes. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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348: The Real King of Pain in The Frozen Heart 900
02/13/2026
348: The Real King of Pain in The Frozen Heart 900
Cold. Wind. Frozen stream crossings. Dumb ass decision making, or genius? AFB recaps the Real King of Pain in Glastonbury, CT where thigh-deep icy water turned solid led to DQs (sorry Alex, Besic, and Bill), and winter racing felt more like a survival course. Josh and Shan hit Belltown AS, Mark Kelly (in shorts) and fast Tony D braved the road freeze, and Anna G tackled Frozen Snot, and Evil Becky wins Frozen Heart 900 because of course she did. Special guest Ryan Danby reports back from the Frozen Heart 900 and shares his ultra origin story, CT kid turned multi-100 mile finisher at Anchor Down Ultra 24 Hour. He’s already signed up again. Because apparently once isn’t enough. The crew debates big-money race acquisitions, grassroots trail culture, backyard ultra curious, bear encounters, bad snowshoe customer service, cats destroying sleep, and Fred’s escape plan to Mexico. Apparently AFB and Fred each have 3 cats, and Ryan has 1 dog; so at least you learned something. Plus we close with 112 Forever Support the show. Support local races. Keep paddling. Frozen Heart 900 Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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347: Hot Takes on AMC Winter School with Martin Janoschek
02/06/2026
347: Hot Takes on AMC Winter School with Martin Janoschek
Martin Janoschek drops in to talk AMC life, from winter leadership courses to stewarding ski trails at Cardigan Lodge. The crew dives into backcountry ski setups (tele, AT, splitboard), ski-leash lessons learned the hard way, and why lodges feel extra magical when it’s stupid cold outside. Anna and Josh recap deep-freeze winter hikes in New Hampshire, sharing hard-earned lessons on pacing, layering, keeping food from freezing, and why slow groups can be colder than you expect. Things get real with a sketchy Mount Cardigan after-dark decision, hypothermia talk, and when turning around is actually the win. Plus: Cultra-Matic makes a comeback as the crew tries to rattle off the 10 Essentials from memory, AMC education gets some love, Patreon supporters get shouted out, and ultrarunning legends, big donations, and big race plans round out the episode. Cold weather, good decisions, and a little Cultra chaos. Video of Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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346: How to Become a Lifelong Runner & Olympic Skimo in The Burrito League
01/31/2026
346: How to Become a Lifelong Runner & Olympic Skimo in The Burrito League
Art and Phred talk winter survival mode: dodgy road conditions, shoulder rehab, fitness dips, and why flexible training beats heroic stupidity this time of year. We also review a Canadian Trail Running (Fishing) Magazine article about How to Be a Lifelong Runner. And take a quick yard sale dive into Skimo, just before we thank our Patreons. We finish with a dope Suno generated 112 song. Art’s snowy van saga + recovery update Winter marathon training reality checks Cut 112 is happening sign up, crew, pace, or suffer responsibly The Real King of Pain run incoming (stream crossings + party, home by kickoff) Snowy trails vs rocks: pick your poison SKIMO hits the Olympics trail runners invading winter sports Running long-term: avoid dumb injuries, run happy, not wrecked Burrito League envy and community run shenanigans Shoutouts to the Cultra crew Patreons grinding through winter miles Bottom line: stay active, stay kind, don’t take yourself too seriously, and we’ll see you out there. Link to Link to Get your official at our store! Intro music by Outro Music by Suno Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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345: Ty Gagne: Risk, Rescue, and Decision-Making in the Whites
01/18/2026
345: Ty Gagne: Risk, Rescue, and Decision-Making in the Whites
The Cultra Crew welcomes New Hampshire–based author and risk management executive Ty Gagne for a wide-ranging conversation on mountain rescues, decision-making, and human behavior in the backcountry. How can we have fun, and live to tell about it? Why This Episode Matters Whether you’re an ultrarunner, hiker, or weekend adventurer, this episode digs into the uncomfortable but essential truths about preparedness, accountability, and how quickly things can go wrong in the mountains we love. We also open with some details about the Vermont 100 Lottery, and close with some Patreon love! Hosts: AFB, Anna G, Josh G Episode Highlights Ty Gagne’s 2008 Franconia Ridge experience and how it changed his relationship with risk What mountain rescues reveal about human decision-making under stress Key themes from That’s Where You’ll Find Me, The Last Traverse, and The Lions of Winter Experience vs. expertise: why time in the mountains doesn’t always equal good judgment The role of ego, optimism, and groupthink in backcountry incidents Leadership and communication failures that commonly precede emergencies Practical takeaways for runners, hikers, and winter athletes in the White Mountains Thank you to Forrest from Maps and Books for lending me your personal copy of Lions of Winter! Learn more about Ty Gagne at Follow Ty on Instagram @fullconditionsnh Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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344: Across The Years Nap Tents, Plus Part 1 of Gearing up for Winter Running in the Northeast
01/06/2026
344: Across The Years Nap Tents, Plus Part 1 of Gearing up for Winter Running in the Northeast
Phred recaps finishing the Across the Years Ultra in Arizona, logging another 100-mile effort and marking his 19th consecutive year with a 100-mile finish. The crew swaps ultra lore, legendary runner sightings, and stories from the deep end of endurance running. Plus we shout out our Cultra Fam. Then we go from hot to cold. The conversation shifts into winter running survival mode, covering traction options, screw shoes, Gore-Tex debates, layering strategies, and knowing when to run, walk, or rethink bad ideas on ice. They also preview the Real King of Pain trail run, discuss cold-weather mistakes, alternative winter sports, and even fire-building skills required for upcoming winter races. Topics Covered Across the Years Ultra recap Fred’s 19 straight 100-mile finishes Ultrarunning legends & absurd mileage Winter traction: spikes, screws, Yaktrax Layering rules that (mostly) work Gore-Tex pros & cons Real King of Pain trail preview Winter survival & fire-building Coming Up Next episode features an interview with Author Ty Gagne on decision-making in extreme winter conditions. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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343: CUT112 and Cultra's New Digs in The Whites
12/26/2025
343: CUT112 and Cultra's New Digs in The Whites
This solo episode is equal parts major announcement, status update, and classic Cultra over-share. AFB checks in on where the show has been, announces a big geographic expansion for Cultra TRP, lays out full details for the 2026 #CUT112 / #CUT50, and closes with a personal update on a long-overdue shoulder replacement. Intro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Twitter Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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342: Golden Tips on Coaching High School XC and Ultra Running
11/04/2025
342: Golden Tips on Coaching High School XC and Ultra Running
Ian Golden from The Trails Collective, Finger Lakes Running Co., Red Newt Racing joins Evil Becky Burke to talk about the challenges of coaching runners of all ages and abilities. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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341: Jared Beasley on The Endurance Artist and Life with Laz
10/11/2025
341: Jared Beasley on The Endurance Artist and Life with Laz
Author Jared Beasley can tell a great story! Including his encounters with Lazarus Lake, where he earned access to cover the Barkley and Backyard World Championship. Jared shares what he learned: Laz isn’t testing fitness—he’s testing willpower. Jared’s new book covers all this and more. The Beauty of Breaking Down Whether dropping at mile 75 or missing a story deadline, Jared finds the same lesson; failure fuels growth. He also recalls witnessing raw humanity at the Backyard, when a Japanese runner and his crew shared a powerful moment of empathy and exhaustion. The Birth of Backyard Ultra The crew dives into how Laz dreamed up the last-man-standing format back in high school and how it’s evolved into a worldwide endurance experiment in pain, strategy, and survival. Listen in for: The real story behind In Search of Al Howie Why Laz Lake embraces failure What theater and ultras have in common How you might win a free copy of his new book Buy a copy of Jared on Instagram: Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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340: AFB and Phred Trash Patreon, Honor Jack LaLane, The Corn Palace and the Spam Museum
10/07/2025
340: AFB and Phred Trash Patreon, Honor Jack LaLane, The Corn Palace and the Spam Museum
AFB and Phred cover highlights from the Cat’s Tail Marathon, NotchView Invitational, SRT and Barclay Fall Classic, and Shan Riggs’s run across Connecticut (114 of 169 towns done!). AFB shares a knee-busting White Mountains hiking story, his adventures at the Glastonbury Senior Center gym, where he scores a gift basket, and a Woodstock RV trip featuring The Black Crowes. Phred recalls a cross-country road trip full of quirky running stops — from the Corn Palace to the Spam Museum. They rant about Patreon frustrations, pay tribute to Dr. Jack Daniels, and compare Jack LaLanne’s stunts to today’s fitness influencers — all with that signature Cultra chaos and trail humor. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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339: Andrew Drummond White Mountains 100 Community Builder
09/20/2025
339: Andrew Drummond White Mountains 100 Community Builder
Andrew Drummond is the heartbeat of the White Mountain trail running community -ultrarunner, ski mountaineer, and race director who set the FKT on the Direttissima, summiting all 48 NH 4,000-footers in under five days. We dive into his adventures in ultramarathons, backcountry skiing, and community building in Jackson, NH, including the White Mountain 100, Bubba’s Backyard Ultra, and guiding Scott Jurek through the toughest terrain in the East. As our conversation with Andrew unfolds, what emerges isn’t just a tale of mountains or miles, but a love story-of place, of lifestyle, of belonging. It’s about finding connection, losing it, and carrying that emptiness until the trail brings you back to what makes you whole. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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338 New England Races and Patreon Love
09/11/2025
338 New England Races and Patreon Love
AFB and Evil Becky are back with a full plate of races, mountain lore, and more than a few tangents. If you like your trail chatter served awkwardly with Swedish Fish, this one’s for you. Shan Riggs is at it again!! Race Recaps: We dive into the Cross Connecticut Run for Mental Health Awareness and Macedonia Trailways in Kent, breaking down the 50K, 25K, and 12K finishers like we were there (spoiler: we weren’t). Cats Tail Drama: Evil Becky drops the bomb that she’s skipping Cat’s Tail on her birthday (Sept 27th). Send your condolences in Swedish Fish. Mountain Madness: We talk Notch View Invitational, CT Donut Run, Escarpment, and why you *must* listen to our Dick Vincent episode if you want your trail cred card stamped. Art also tells us how Mount Washington once ate hikers for breakfast back in 1900. Big Trail Feats: Annie Tilden crushes the Bob Marshall Traverse, and Vigo Fish takes on the Desolation Loop in NH. Patreon Love: Our patrons keep this ship running (and stocked with candy). Huge thanks to Angela and the rest of the gang—progress, grit, and support like yours make the show possible. Wisconsin meet-up incoming! College Cross Country: Evil Becky casually name-drops Emily Mayer at a meet, while her sons make a statement at the University of Hartford Invitational by winning races. Because if you’re going to impress a college, might as well take home the W. Community Corner:Judy Proto (yes, the first female NFL kicker), Justin Kowski’s new course record, Laz’s upcoming Barclays Fall Classic, plus encounters with Bill Odendall, Brian Musiak, Celeste Fong, Cherie and Christine A Chin Hing It’s everything you love about Cultra: history, hilarity, and heaps of community love—with a side of Evil Becky eye-rolls. Shan Riggs Learn more about Shan's 1100 mile Run and Medals 4 Meddle Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Twitter Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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337: Dick Vincent: Founder of the Escarpment Trail Run & Longest-Serving Trail Race Director
09/04/2025
337: Dick Vincent: Founder of the Escarpment Trail Run & Longest-Serving Trail Race Director
Phast Phred, Evil Becky, and AFB host Dick Vincent—the man who’s been directing the Escarpment Trail Run in the Catskills for 48 years straight. That makes him the longest-serving trail race director in North America. Laddie Lawrence can have the road scene locked down with Westport’s summer series, but when it comes to gnarly trails, Escarpment is Dick’s kingdom. He’s also a guy who kept a 34-year run streak, ran Boston back in ’74, and even left seven toenails out on the course at Western States Endurance Run 100 WSER in ’86 If you love trail running history, and great stories, this may be the episode for you. Each of Dick's stories could’ve been its own episode. A streak like that, a Western States war story, and the creation of an iconic race... That’s pure Cultra magic. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Twitter Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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336: Are the Adirondacks Tougher Than the Whites? Trail Legends Weigh In
08/31/2025
336: Are the Adirondacks Tougher Than the Whites? Trail Legends Weigh In
Krista Petrie and Debbie Clouthier might just be the fastest “slow hikers” you’ll ever meet. Joining forces with West Rock Ramblers Anna G(arsten), Josh Gaetjen, and AFB, these Canadian adventurers bring stories that range from the White Mountains to the Arctic and everywhere in between. We first crossed paths with Krista and Debbie during our Owl’s Head adventure in the Whites, and immediately knew we had to get them on Cultra. We expected good stuff, but at times we were flat-out speechless. The conversation covers it all: Trail running and peak bagging in the Whites and Adirondacks Multi-day treks through Iceland, Nepal, and Patagonia Debbie’s years cooking in the Canadian Arctic, with wolves, wolverines, and the occasional polar bear for company Krista’s transition from competitive soccer to marathon canoe racing—and her not-so-casual run-ins with grizzlies in Kluane National Park Somewhere between wolf attacks, soggy tents, and the classic “mile and a half” sign-off, we also discovered that progressive lenses are apparently mandatory “slide” gear once you hit your 50s. Who knew? Gear nerds, don’t worry, we also get into mountain weather prep, bear safety (Polar, Griz, Black, no Panda) and winter hiking essentials like snowshoes, microspikes, and extra layers. Along the way, we debate Adirondacks vs. Whites, swap stories about unexpected trail meetups, and laugh about why some hikers insist on packing half their house “just in case.” Spoiler alert: the legendary Debbie Clouthier is 73 years old and still hiking circles around the rest of us—even when we’re “running.” Follow Krista on Instagram Check out Follow Links to Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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335: The Shenipsit Striders Running Club at 50 Years
08/21/2025
335: The Shenipsit Striders Running Club at 50 Years
If we could dream up the perfect trail running club, it would look a whole lot like the Shenipsit Striders. For 50 years, this crew has been building trails, hosting races, and creating a community where everyone: fast, slow, new, or seasoned; feels like family. In this episode, AFB sits down at the Striders’ 50th Anniversary 8 Hour Fatass Run and chats with five runners who embody the heart of the club: Tony Bonanno Cherie Bilbie Jillian Ellefson Jake Gaeta Jim Henderson (longtime Strider and keeper of the history books) You may know some of these names already, but if you don’t, (where the heck ya been) you’ll come away with a deeper appreciation for the people who make the Shenipsit Striders so special. This is an episode about community, longevity, and the joy of running trails together. Q: Did AFB do these interviews so he could sit around and eat all the food? Check out some of Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Twitter Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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334: Judy Proteau and the Race for the Refuge
08/14/2025
334: Judy Proteau and the Race for the Refuge
Episode 334: Judy Proteau and the Race for the Refuge This week we’re joined by the one and only Judy Proteau—ultrarunner, race director, Highland City Strider, kicker for the NFL, and all-around trail badass. Judy’s here to talk about her first year directing the Race for the Refuge, happening September 28th at the Assabet River National Wildlife Refuge in Sudbury, MA. (You bet your ass...abet!)We get into the behind-the-scenes of putting on a race, tribal land permissions, course marking, volunteer wrangling, post-race beer logistics (yes, that’s a thing), and why she’s adding a guided one-mile family walk to the event. We also take a trip down Judy’s running memory lane—from her “oops I gained a few pounds in my 20s” jogs, to her first marathon at Sugarloaf, to her 50K adventures, to finishing her first 100 at Hamster Wheel. You’ll hear about the 48-hour race where she overheated, dropped, then rallied two hours later to finish with twelve seconds to spare. AFB math: 100 miles plus 12 seconds to spare= 112! Her mantras? “Get Rich or Die Trying” and “This is for all the cookies in the cookie jar.” This is a really amazing story! Enough said. Other highlights include: Art adopts a new Siamese kitten named Avery 🐾 (and yes, she’s already podcast famous). Historical tidbits on King Philip’s War and why Sudbury trails are more than just dirt paths. The welcoming vibe of Judy’s Highland City Striders, including their “slow and steady striders” crew and Tuesday muffin runs. Denali 135 dreams, Notch View 200 temptations, and a possible Cultra road trip. This one’s part race preview, part ultra origin story, and part love letter to the trail community. Judy’s enthusiasm is contagious, and we think you’ll want to lace up (or volunteer) after listening. It may be the most fun you can have with your clothes on! Links from the show: Judy’s Instagram: at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Twitter Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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333 Overcoming Escarpment Yips & The Bug-Net Hat
08/04/2025
333 Overcoming Escarpment Yips & The Bug-Net Hat
AFB and Evil Becky Burke are back at it, serving up a full platter of ultra goodness from Vermont to Rhode Island, with detours through the Catskills, Soapstone, Notchview, and the Squatchy Surprise in NJ. We’re breaking down the highs, lows, and bug bites from recent races, plus dishing on who crushed it, who gutted it out, and who set new course records. Art wrestles with “The Yips” on technical trails, Evil Becky relives her sandy Ocean State Ultra dropout at mile 50, and we both agree-some courses need to rethink their “short loop at the end” strategy. We tip our trucker hats to our Patreon trail legends. There’s also talk of Escarpment ambitions, a potential Badger 100 return, awning insurance, and Evil Becky’s upcoming birthday week. Episode Highlights: Vermont 100, Escarpment Trail Run, Catskills 30K Squatchy Surprise magic & Soapstone Assault grit Ocean State Ultra: dunes, shuttles, and sand in bad places Notchview highs, lows, and shoe swap disasters Bug-proof hats that actually work Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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332: The Vermont 100 "Miler" Endurance Race
07/25/2025
332: The Vermont 100 "Miler" Endurance Race
332: The Vermont 100 “Miler” Endurance Race Our very own podcast famous Jamie Miler, a.k.a., Jamie Miller recently ran VT100, one of the oldest and most iconic trail races in the US, so we take some time to get all the explicit details from Jamie and her crew. This is a great episode to listen to during a long run, and in preparation to either Crew, or run the Vermont 100. We also take some time to recognize the top finishers and some of the friends of the podcast who participated, and in some cases set records at this classic old school ultra trail running event. We cover: The unique nature of Vermont 100’s hybrid runner-and-horse format Course insights, challenges, and the magic of overnight miles Crew logistics, aid station drama, and why pierogies matter Reflections on race culture, the evolving social contract, and what “support” really means in ultrarunning Why this race still punches you in the gut and why we keep coming back to the #VT100 Credits: Produced and hosted by Cultra TRP Featuring Jamie Miler, Alex McDaniel, Emily Vollmer, and Jacki Smith. Kudos to Brandon Hubbard. Pierogies by Cowshed Aid Station 🥟 Vermont 100 Endurance Race Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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331: Notchview Cultra Aid Station Food Fight
07/11/2025
331: Notchview Cultra Aid Station Food Fight
In this episode, AFB and Evil Becky dive deep into the madness and method behind prepping for their 48-hour showdown at Notch View. With ice towels, grilled quesadillas, and hallucination avoidance on the menu, the duo breaks down their pacing strategies, sleep plans, nutrition math, and mental game-while still finding time to argue over pee bottles and AI coaching. Art unveils his “douche canoe” plan to knock out 75 miles in the first 24 hours, relying on hydration tricks and skills gleaned from the Tour De France and Erie Canal Trail before sleeping, rinsing and repeating. Evil Becky brings the heat (or more accurately, plans to sleep through it), favoring strategic hill-walking, silence at the start, and keeping her sanity intact by avoiding Art as long as possible. They tackle the high-stakes game of ultra-fueling from Tailwind and Precision gels to grilled cheese and reflect on how runners tie self-worth to results (and why that’s dangerous). Bonus: Evil Becky shares her favorite comfort foods and confirms she will not be participating in any pee bottle experiments, thank you very much. Or is it all behind the "Pay Wall"? Highlights & Segments: (Times Quoted are most likely B.S.) 00:03:10 – Art’s “75-Mile Day One” plan and Evil Becky’s eye-roll 00:10:45 – Cooling tactics: neck ice vs. strategic napping 00:17:00 – Nutrition: 100-cal vs. 300-cal per hour philosophies 00:24:30 – Pee bottles: creative solution or horrifying idea? 00:30:15 – Favorite race foods: ramen, grilled cheese, quesadillas, and more 00:37:40 – Sleep, silence, and social limits during ultras 00:46:55 – Evil Becky’s “start in silence” mindset 00:52:10 – Western States recap: self-worth, struggle, and grace 00:59:00 – Predictions for hallucinations, mileage, and midnight snacks Quotable Moment: “Sometimes silence is my best pacer.” – Evil Becky Deep Thoughts that most won’t discuss: Is sleep deprevation worth the cognitive impairment? This may be the limiting factor… What is your limiting factor, Do you have one? Got a weird race food you swear by? Ever seen a shadow person at hour 41? Share your stories with us in the comments, tag @cultratrailrunning, or shout them at us when we’re too tired to respond. Or join our Facebook page. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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330: Third Date Patreon
07/07/2025
330: Third Date Patreon
We take a minute, minute and a half to say thank you to all of our patreons, and to see what some of them are up to. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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329: Is Steven Tursi Largest Known Person to Run a Sub 24 Hour 100 Miler?
06/23/2025
329: Is Steven Tursi Largest Known Person to Run a Sub 24 Hour 100 Miler?
Phred is Back, BIGTIME and he finally reels in his “white whale” guest longtime friend and ultrarunning enigma Steven Tursi. Steven and Phred blab about running streaks, hashing adventures, body image, and a lifelong evolution of what it means to be a runner and a friend. Was Steve the original Johnny Appleseed for Cultra? Enjoy this fabulous Bootleg Cultra (Think Grateful Dead Barton Hall, Cornell University, May 8, 1977) Episode Highlights: Running Streaks and Ultramarathons Steven shares insights into his nearly 15-year daily running streak (over 5,200 days!)—and the debates surrounding the “continuous mile” rule. Fred and Steven unpack the motivations, sunk cost psychology, and mental games behind long streaks. Recap of Steven’s recent race at altitude in the Great Divide 100, and how Colorado elevation humbled him despite living at 5,300 feet. Hashing Culture 101 What exactly is hashing? Steven breaks down the beer-fueled, trail-marked tradition of this global, irreverent running subculture. Stories about hash names (spoiler: “Hot Schweddy Balls”), flour trail controversies, beer stops, and inclusivity in the hashing world. On Body Image and Identity Steven gets candid about his weight, body perception, and running while heavier than most—highlighting his incredible feat of running a sub-24-hour 100-miler at ~275 lbs. Friendship in Adulthood A heartfelt and humorous discussion about how men form (and define) friendships as adults. Fred and Steven reflect on their 15+ year bond, running together at events like Ancient Oaks, TGNY, and Umstead, and how group chats now serve as lifelines for long-distance friendships. The Shift to Journey Runs Steven talks about moving away from racing for results and leaning into slower, more meaningful runs—including a planned 50-mile adventure on the Colorado Trail for his 50th birthday. Memories of the Four Pass Loop, the Manitou Incline “stunt hike,” and past multi-day efforts like Milwaukee to Chicago. Bonus Nuggets Why Steven ran a 24-hour race just to bail at 20 miles and watch football. How rocket launches, mistaken finishes, and sandbagging for friendship make ultra memories. Reflections on The Fair, Starbucks runs after Rocky’s, and the joy of repeat traditions. Tune In If You Like: Not listening to AFB! The human side of ultra running Thoughtful conversations on consistency, identity, and connection A couple of old friends talking about life, beer, streaks, and everything in between Referenced Events & Topics: Palmer Lake Ultra • Ancient Oaks • Umstead 100 • TGNY • Great Divide 100K • Manitou Incline • Colorado Trail • Hash House Harriers • Running Streaks • Journey Runs • Four Pass Loop • Sub-24 100-milers • Group chats & friendship Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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328: The Colder Boys Bring the Heat to Western States
06/19/2025
328: The Colder Boys Bring the Heat to Western States
AFB welcomes El Niño a.k.a. the chosen one a.k.a. Tobias Tello a.k.a. Tobi and Abel Murphy, hosts of The Colder Boys podcast, to break down Western States 100. In This Episode: Meet The Colder Boys: Tobias and Abel share their backgrounds in trail and ultra running, how their podcast started, and the elite-level analysis East Coast scene. Beast Coast Trail Talk: A breakdown of favorite Connecticut trails like Sleeping Giant and West Rock, plus a plug for the underrated Blue to Blue Challenge. Western States 100 Men's Preview: Predictions, hot takes, and strategy talk. Killian? Roche? A young gun or a dark horse? The guys don’t hold back. (OK they did save a little for of the nuggets for their own upcoming preview show.) Fantasy Ultra Running: Deep dives into Free Trail Fantasy picks, including a sleeper Euro pick you probably haven’t heard of P**** F****. Women's Field Breakdown: International talent, breakout stars, and why this year’s WSER women's race might be the most exciting one yet. #TeamRiley Heat Training and Race Strategy: What really separates the elite runners when temperatures rise—and how social media is changing how we see athletes. Ultra Storytelling and Coverage: From golden hours to emotional cutoffs, the guys talk about what race broadcasts are getting righ and where they still fall short. Looking Ahead: Tobias is racing Manitou’s Revenge and QMT 135K, Abel is volunteering at an aid station, and both are dreaming of a Rim-to-Rim run this fall. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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327: The Double CUT, 224 Miles with Ross Bielak
06/13/2025
327: The Double CUT, 224 Miles with Ross Bielak
Ross Bielak from Littleton Colorado is Cultra #PodcastFamous and a dear friend of our community. When he signed up for the #CUT112 in 2021 after doing his own Western CUT in 2020, he felt that he was a bit undertrained. So very logically, (WTF) he decided to attempt the never before completed Double #CUT112. Although this attempt resulted in a visit to the hospital, he tried it again, and then finally again in 2025. We hear the story of the power of the trail running community as around 40 people came out, (in real life) to crew and pace him as he took on the grueling 224 mile double crossing of CT on the New England Trail. This is a story of love, endurance and porcupines that shows the power of Running Far, Eating Well, and Resting Easy. Ba-Da-Ba-Ba-Ba, I'm Lovin it! Donate to Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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326: Finding Common Ground in Politics, Running, and the Power of Curiosity
06/01/2025
326: Finding Common Ground in Politics, Running, and the Power of Curiosity
Whether its road running versus trail running, Garmin versus Coros, iPhone versus Android or Democrats versus Republicans, why does it sometimes feel so hard for us to actually listen to each other? We look at what it means to find common ground, and to be genuinely curious. And why it is sometimes so difficult to remain curious. We also take a look at our mental maps and try to figure out why it can be so difficult for us to change our perspective. This is a conversation that some would rather hide in the bottom of a portajohn to avoid. But you love this shit, and we love you right back. Enjoy this warm cuppa Cultra Brew! So is Curiosity the antidote to binary thinking? Is Listening with empathy a superpower in both politics and trail running. So who is running the ? Have a listen to Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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325: Blind Donkey Runner John Robert Mckay
05/24/2025
325: Blind Donkey Runner John Robert Mckay
When most of us think of “running blind”, we envision a state of panic where one must proceed without having a clear understanding of what lies ahead. Trail running can be challenging enough even when we can see the rocks and roots that can trip us up. John Robert Mckay, AKA The Blind Donkey Runner does not let that stop him. We hear the details of how he is able to avoid “rock in 3-2-1, ROCK” with the aid of guides. We hear about his journey to qualify and run The Boston Marathon, his racing on the track, trails and ultra events. John also shines the spotlight on local Georgia High School Track coaches and their athletes through his own podcast and he is a subject matter expert! We spend a lot of time talking about making connections with others, and the courage required to stand on the starting line of a cross country race. We also enjoy Jackassing around with The Blind Donkey Runner. Don’t miss this! Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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324: Not Dropping is No Accident with Mount To Coast’s Lin Zhuo
05/18/2025
324: Not Dropping is No Accident with Mount To Coast’s Lin Zhuo
Let’s talk about dropping. When we drop something it’s like we are forgetting to hold on. We sign up for the 100k and sometimes want to drop to a 50 mile. And some times we help each other pause for a moment and remember why we do what we do and we avoid dropping .(Now the tricky part) Sometimes we decide to pause and not drop any more and others remind us that perhaps it’s time to take a deeper look and drop a new episode of The . We are glad to be back! We talk about all the fun and crazy shit that happens on the trails and in our lives that most people don't care about or wont talk about. Lin shares his experience as a child growing up in Shanghai, and we touch on all aspects of life, love and the miracle of ultra running. Get your official at our store! Outro music by Become a basic licker. If you lick us, we will most likely lick you right back Go here to talk shit and complain and give us advice that we wont follow Don't watch this with your kids Sign up for a race at and feel better Buy Fred's Book More Information on the
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