What Do You Mean By That?

Join multi-ethnic co-hosts Sara + Misasha - two wickedly smart, heart-led, long-distance best friends - as they help folks talk smarter and think deeper about the world around us. Whether it’s about science, history, current events, social justice, or more, their community consists of people who want to be better humans, to benefit all of us. We won't let the fire hose of information overwhelm us. Whether you're a seasoned expert or new to the work, you'll find yourself listening, learning, and feeling inspired to do something new after each episode. If you can never get enough knowledge but also don’t want to feel overwhelmed… Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of curious folks who constantly wonder: what do you mean by that?

13: How to Have Difficult Conversations, featuring Dr. Bill Doherty, Co-founder of Braver Angels 11/18/2025

12: Uncompete: The Case for Redefining Success, Together - with Ruchika Malhotra 11/04/2025

12: Uncompete: The Case for Redefining Success, Together - with Ruchika Malhotra When we have repeat guests back on the pod, it’s because we love them, their work, and the message that they’re not only sending out into the world but embodying themselves. And we think all of this can be said a million times over for today’s guest and her brand new book (out today!). As we think about this conversation, which we can’t wait for you to listen to, there were those mic drop moments, but there were also those contemplative moments where we were not only deep in conversation, but we really felt the power of this notion of uncompeting. We can’t wait for you to feel this too, as you listen to our conversation with Ruchika Malholtra about her new book Uncompete and why we should all be redefining success together. What to listen for: What led Ruchika to coin this new term – uncompete – and what it really means, including various nuances that are important to understand Which parts of uncompeting were the hardest for each of us to integrate – liberating our bodies, redefining success, accepting joy, among them The power of community and radical generosity, as we shift our understanding of power from “power over” to emphasize “power to” What’s been bringing each of us joy lately! About our guest: Ruchika T. Malhotra is the founder of Candour, a global inclusion strategy firm that has worked with some of the world’s biggest organizations, and author of Uncompete: Rejecting Competition to Unlock Success. A former business journalist, she is now a regular contributor to Harvard Business Review. Her writing has appeared in The New York Times, Forbes, Bloomberg, The Seattle Times, and more. She has held adjunct faculty positions in communications at the University of Washington and Seattle University and is the author of Inclusion on Purpose: An Intersectional Approach to Creating a Culture of Belonging at Work, MIT Press’s top-selling book of 2022. Ruchika was born in Singapore and has lived in six cities across four countries. She is the Thinkers50 Radar class of 2019; Shortlisted for the 2023 Thinkers50 Talent Award; and co-wrote one of HBR.org’s top 100 most-read articles in history: Stop Telling Women They Have Imposter Syndrome. Ruchika invests in and advises various ventures as a Venture Capital limited partner and angel investor. Related episodes: Inclusion on Purpose, with Ruchika on Dear White Women: On being kinder, not nicer, with Dr. Kelli Harding: /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/38901615

11: What We Meant By That - The Debrief on Elie Mystal’s Brilliance 10/21/2025

10: Elie Mystal on Bad Laws, Big Truths, and How to Change the System 10/07/2025

10: Elie Mystal on Bad Laws, Big Truths, and How to Change the System This episode is a must-listen for anyone who’s ever felt like legal talk is impossible to understand (👋 Sara included!). We’re joined by , brilliant legal mind, powerful truth-teller, and New York Times bestselling author of Allow Me to Retort: A Black Guy’s Guide to the Constitution, to break down the complex world of American law and what Democrats are doing all wrong (and can do better) in a way that’s sharp, accessible, and even funny. 💥 He’s back with a bold new book: Bad Law: Ten Popular Laws That Are Ruining America. If you're fired up about the state of our country, about policy that is working frighteningly as intended, or simply want to understand how certain laws are quietly shaping (and harming) everyday life, this conversation is for you. What to listen for: The least-legal legal chat we’ve ever had, including loads of straight-talking humor that makes the truth go down a little easier – on how SCOTUS operates and how we can change it, on the laws we might easily repeal to make tremendous change in our country, and more Why we might be seeing more whitewashing of history, and the truth that we are back to us all needing to educate our own children on this country’s true history. That what we are (or aren’t) doing now is exactly what we would have been doing during any great catastrophe in history Practical ideas for how YOU can help dismantle harmful laws and make a difference in our country’s trajectory. This episode is perfect for fans of legal analysis without the jargon, book lovers, including our former Dear White Women book club, and anyone looking to better understand (and change) our current system. 🎧 Press play, and get ready to rethink what you thought you knew about the law. About our guest: Elie Mystal is the Justice Correspondent for The Nation, where he writes about politics and social and racial justice. Elie’s first book, Allow Me To Retort – A Black Guy’s Guide to the Constitution, was on the NYT’s bestsellers list in April 2022. His second book, Bad Law: Ten Popular Laws That Are Ruining America, was released in March 2025. Mystal was the executive editor of Above the Law, a website with approximately 2 million unique visitors that focuses on law, courts, and justice. He’s known for writing about the law and politics, breaking down Supreme Court decisions, and up-to-the-minute coverage of Supreme Court confirmation battles. Off the page, Mystal is a legal contributor to the More Perfect podcast, a Radiolab spinoff, on WNYC. He’s appeared regularly on MSNBC since 2018, appearing on All In With Chris Hayes, The Beat With Ari Melber, A.M. Joy with Joy Reid, and Up with David Gura. On the Radio, Mystal has been a frequent guest on the Brian Lehrer Show, the Dean Obedallah Show, and Signal Boost with Zerlina Maxwell. He’s also appeared on The Mike Huckabee Show, the Megyn Kelly Show, Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld, and done various appearances on CNBC and Fox Business about legal industry news. Mystal received his undergraduate degree in Government from Harvard University, his J.D. from Harvard Law School, and worked as an associate at Debevoise and Plimpton from 2003-2005. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/38468220

09: The Devil Emails At Midnight, With Mita Mallick 09/23/2025

08: How to Be a Better Human: What WE Really Think 09/09/2025

07: How to Rest without Feeling Guilty 08/26/2025

06: How To Be a Better Democrat, with Megan Imperial 08/12/2025

06: How To Be a Better Democrat, with Megan Imperial Maybe these are some questions you’ve asked yourself, as we’ve moved from the election of 2024 to the present: Where the heck are the Democrats? What’s happening with the dysfunctional American two-party political system, and if we don’t support what the Trump administration is doing to our people and our rule of law, how do we find any hope we might have left for regaining control of our Democracy? What do we even mean when we say Democrat these days? We’ve asked ourselves the same questions and have come up empty. As a result, we decided to ask these very same questions of a Democratic insider, as this week we discuss how to be a better Democrat. What to listen for: What better strategies look like for Democratic strategies going forward, including increasing youth leadership, and getting into your communities to learn what people really care about How do we hold Democratic leaders accountable? Finding commonality across the aisle Holding Republican leaders accountable for preserving our democracy as well About our guest: Megan Imperial is a seasoned political strategist with over eight years of experience in policy development, legislative strategy, and organizational leadership. She has worked across public, private, and nonprofit sectors, specializing in racial equity, budget analysis, and workforce development. Megan's background includes advising government agencies on equity initiatives and managing high-impact campaigns, including her recent work as Campaign Manager for Jesse Arreguín for State Senate and Victor Flores for BART. At the state level, Megan has held leadership roles within the California Young Democrats, including VP of Finance and Chair of the Womxn's Caucus. She serves as a sitting member of the California Democratic Party Women's Caucus. Locally, she is the Immediate Past President of the East Bay Young Democrats. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/37761620

05: How We Can Build Trust In Times of Division, with Jan-Emmanuel de Neve 07/29/2025

05: How We Can Build Trust In Times of Division, with Jan-Emmanuel de Neve It’s not controversial to say that we are living in times of deep division, where there are so many forces keeping us apart, politics being a big part of that. But did you know that there’s a link between how satisfied you think you are with your life, how much you trust others, and how you vote? It’s a mind-blowing, less-discussed topic, despite being a chapter in the latest World Happiness Report. Importantly, to make a difference, we wonder this - how do we actually build trust with people who hold different viewpoints, especially if our first impulse is to block them, disregard their comments, or ignore them entirely? We’re so glad today to have one of the co-authors of the World Happiness Report here to talk with us about how we can use our understanding of wellbeing and trust to build stronger communities, reconnect with each other, and also bridge the politics of division. What to listen for: What the World Happiness Report is Despite our focus on class struggle or traditional ideologies as the explanation for why people vote a certain way, it’s actually more about life satisfaction and trust. The wallet study The truth - that unhappy people are attracted by the extremes of the political spectrum. Low-trust people are found more often on the far right, whereas high-trust people are more inclined to vote for the far left. How we can rebuild trust in community, one meal at a time About our guest: Jan-Emmanuel De Neve is Professor of Economics and Behavioural Science at the University of Oxford, where he also directs the Wellbeing Research Centre. He is best known for his research on the economics of wellbeing which has led to new insights into the relationship between happiness and income, productivity, firm performance, and economic growth. His pioneering research is published in the leading academic journals across multiple disciplines, including Science, Nature, The Review of Economics and Statistics, Psychological Science,world we Management Science, Journal of Political Economy, and the British Medical Journal. His research was recognized among "The Management Ideas That Mattered Most" by Harvard Business Review and he currently guides the world's largest study on workplace wellbeing in partnership with Indeed. De Neve co-authored the main textbook on wellbeing science with Richard Layard, is an editor of the , and co-founder of the . Additionally, he serves as a member of the UN Expert Group on Wellbeing Measurement. De Neve frequently consults for governments and major corporations, and his insights on wellbeing and policy are sought by leading global media. Two of his books include , and . /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/37587135

04: How to improve your critical thinking skills, with Colin Seale 07/15/2025

04: How to improve your critical thinking skills, with Colin Seale Depending on who you are and where you get your news from, you may be seeing a completely separate version of the news from your neighbor down the street, your aunt in another state, or your coworker who only gets his news from a specific social media platform. Maybe everyone around you gets the same news you do. But you also know that there is a very different version of reality out there, that many people are deeply believing in. So, how do we figure out what’s true and what’s convenient? How do we talk to each other if we don’t have the same baseline of understanding about, perhaps, anything? We’d argue that this is where critical thinking skills come in. But what do you mean by critical thinking skills? We’re glad you asked. This episode is for anyone who wants to think deeper about what we mean when we say critical thinking skills and how we can use them to bridge the divides in our communities, our country, and maybe even in our own households. What to listen for: What are critical thinking skills, and why are they so important? How do we avoid the common mistake of confusing critical thinking for believing in counter-narratives, especially when we are living in an era of disinformation or misinformation, where even the truth is hard to find? The main parts of critical thinking - and how we can each practice these skills About our guest: Colin Seale was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY, where struggles in his upbringing gave birth to his passion for educational equity. Tracked early into gifted and talented programs, Colin was afforded opportunities his neighborhood peers were not. Using lessons from his experience as a math teacher, later as an attorney, and now as a keynote speaker, contributor to Forbes, The 74, Edutopia and Education Post and author of Thinking Like a Lawyer: A Framework for Teaching Critical Thinking to All Students (Prufrock Press, 2020) and Tangible Equity: A Guide for Leveraging Student Identity, Culture, and Power to Unlock Excellence In and Beyond the Classroom (Routledge, May 2022), Colin founded thinkLaw (www.thinklaw.us), a multi-award-winning organization to help educators leverage inquiry-based instructional strategies to close the critical thinking gap and ensure they teach and reach all students, regardless of race, zip code or what side of the poverty line they are born into. When he’s not serving as the world’s most fervent critical thinking advocate or tweeting from @ColinESeale, Colin proudly serves as the world’s greatest entertainer to his two young children. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/37369620

03: How to be Kinder (not Nicer), with Dr. Kelli Harding 07/01/2025

03: How to be Kinder (not Nicer), with Dr. Kelli Harding This is Sara, and I remember the time 20 years ago when I got schooled by a psychoanalyst. It must have been the fall, because I was supremely agitated that I was having to write, design, and send holiday cards out to a huge list of people all by myself, without the help of my fiancé. If you know me, you know that cards were a staple of my winter growing up, with cards from my parents’ friends stapled onto long felt ribbons hanging down each doorway, surrounding us with love and smiling faces for weeks on end. The therapist asked if I could just not do them, if it was annoying me so much, and my instant fury was revealed: Are you kidding? I have to send these cards out, it’s the nice thing to do!! Cut to the point, and it’s this - nice according to who? Nice for whom? Certainly not nice for me if I were going to be resentful and pissy about it. I came to terms with the fact that I actually just really enjoyed writing and sending cards out to people who warmed my heart that year, and that my partner wasn’t a nice person for not agreeing to send these cards out with me. But it leads us to ask this. What do we mean by niceness - and what, more importantly, is its not-as-related-as-it-seems and so much more important character trait of kindness? How can understanding this difference and leaning into kindness help us be better people? What to listen for: How a medically trained doctor got into a “touchy-feely” thing like kindness The shockingly tremendous impact that kindness has on our individual health and our societal wellbeing What’s the difference between niceness vs kindness? Ways to begin practicing more kindness About our guest: Kelli Harding, MD, MPH, is dedicated to creating a kinder and healthier world for all. An expert in mental health, medicine, and public health, she teaches at Columbia University’s Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons (VP&S) in New York City and is a diplomate of the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, also boarded in the sub-specialty of consultation-liaison psychiatry or psychosomatic (mind-body) medicine. Known for making complex scientific research understandable to general audiences, she’s the author of the critically acclaimed book The Rabbit Effect: Live Longer, Happier, and Healthier with the Groundbreaking Science of Kindness. Dr. Harding has appeared on Today, Good Morning America, BBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Prevention, LA Times, Oprah Magazine, Parents, Medscape, Sesame Street Workshop, and The World Economic Forum. Additionally, she has spoken at global events at the United Nations and World Happiness Summits and served on the Boards of Organizations such as the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) and social media platform Nextdoor. Dr. Harding lives in New York City with her husband and three sons—an eleventh-grader, a ninth-grader, and a sixth-grader, and beloved rescue pup, Athena. Her next book, Different, co-authored with Sara Blanchard, will be out in Fall 2026. Website LinkedIn Instagram @kellihardingmd /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/37230275

02: How to Become a Radical Listener, with Robert Biswas-Diener and Christian van Nieuwerburgh 06/17/2025

02: How to Become a Radical Listener, with Robert Biswas-Diener and Christian van Nieuwerburgh One of the ways that we believe we can be better humans is to actually listen to each other - not just nod along when we watch people’s mouths move, or wait impatiently for someone to finish their thought before we can jump in and say what we’ve been dying to say - but actually listen to what they’re saying, take a moment to reflect on that, and respond. Perhaps you ask a clarifying question, perhaps you share a reflection, perhaps you simply agree and ask for more details. Regardless of your response, if you’re really listening, people will know and will see you in a better light as a result. If you’re curious about how to be a better listener, we offer two experts on the topic who help us understand: What do you mean by radical listening? What to listen for: Why listening better makes you a better human Six skills important to growing your ability to listen better The role culture can play in listening and communication What environment is most conducive to listening, and what YOU can do to be a better listener About the guests: Dr. Robert Biswas-Diener is a researcher, author, and consultant with 75 peer-reviewed academic articles with over 27,000 citations. His previous books include The Upside of Your Dark Side (New York Times Bestseller, 2014), and the 2008 PROSE Award winner, Happiness. He has presented keynotes to Lululemon, Deloitte, Humana, AARP, The World Bank, and others. In 2024, Thinkers50 named Robert one of the “50 Most Influential Executive Coaches in the World”. He lives in Portland, Oregon, enjoying drawing and rock climbing. Prof. Christian van Nieuwerburgh (PhD) is an academic, consultant, and executive coach. He is Professor of Coaching and Positive Psychology at the Centre for Positive Health Sciences at RCSI University of Medicine and Health Sciences (Ireland) and Consulting Professor for Growth Coaching International, a provider of coach training and consultancy for the education sector. In recognition of his contributions to the fields of positive psychology and coaching, he is Principal Fellow of the Centre for Wellbeing Science at the Melbourne Graduate School of Education of the University of Melbourne (Australia) and Honorary CollectivEd Fellow of the Carnegie School of Education at Leeds Beckett University (UK). Christian is a certified executive coach and is well published in the academic literature on the topics of coaching and positive psychology. He has authored, co-authored, and edited numerous books in the field of coaching, most notably An Introduction to Coaching Skills: A Practical Guide (2014, 2016, 2020). His latest books are Your Essential Guide to Effective Reflective Practice (2025, with David Love) and Radical Listening: The Art of True Connection (2025, with Robert Biswas- Diener). Follow Christian on Instagram (@coachonamotorcycle), on his YouTube channel (@coachonamotorcycle), and on his website (coachonamotorcycle.com). /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/37021300

01: Welcome to What Do You Mean By That? 06/03/2025

272: What Do We Mean by Therapy, and Culturally Responsive Care? with The Yellow Chair Collective 05/20/2025

272: What Do We Mean by Therapy, and Culturally Responsive Care? with The Yellow Chair Collective Raise your hand if you’ve been to therapy before. My first time, if I’m remembering correctly, is a few months after my Dad died when I was in my mid-twenties, and my college roommate set me up with her aunt, who was a renowned psychoanalyst. She also happened to be Asian. Now that it’s been decades and I’ve had so many more experiences with so many more therapists, all of whom have been white, I realize how rare and fortunate it was for me to have had that experience of a therapist who culturally understood me, which then played a formative role in my own understanding of my relationship with myself, my parents, self care and success and my place in the world. If you’ve never had the experience of having therapists who are the same race as you, you might really get this visceral sense of relief that we are talking about. This unspoken understanding that can-not always, but often, exist in those spaces of similarity. I think it’s played a huge part in the relationship we have had, as multi-ethnic daughters of one Japanese immigrant parent and one white American parent each - there were just some things we didn’t have to explain to each other. Which is why when we learned about a whole mental health support system - one we’ve come to learn doesn’t have to just include therapists, but a whole system of community support - that is centered on Asian Americans, we wanted to seize the opportunity to talk about culturally responsive care, about what it means to work on ourselves to be better people, and more. What to listen for: What it means to be a better person Therapy 101 - what challenges people go to therapy for, what types of therapists are out there What culturally responsive care means, and how this applies to the Asian American community How we can support our own mental health, and that of others About our guests: Soo Jin Lee, a licensed therapist, executive director of Yellow Chair Collective, and co-founder of Entwine Community, has made a profound impact in mental health advocacy, shaped by her own experiences as an Asian immigrant. Her work focuses on culturally responsive mental health care, addressing the unique challenges faced by immigrant and Asian American communities. She co-authored the influential book Where I Belong: Healing Trauma and Embracing Asian American Identity, which explores identity and healing through a culturally informed lens. Recognized by NPR, PBS, CBS, and CUNY, Soo Jin is dedicated to fostering community support and advancing culturally sensitive mental health services. Linda Yoon is the founder of Yellow Chair Collective and co-founder of Entwine Community, organizations dedicated to addressing mental health education and service gaps in services for BIPOC communities, with a special focus on Asian Americans. She is recognized as a co-author of the book "Where I Belong: Healing Trauma and Embracing Asian American Identity," which delves deeply into themes of Asian American identity and resilience, alongside the racial, cultural, and intergenerational dynamics present within Asian American communities. Linda's work has been recognized and featured in media outlets including NPR, PBS, CBS, LA Times, and Buzzfeed. With a heartfelt commitment to well-being and community empowerment, Linda drives changes through mental health programs and advocacy initiatives. Brief synopsis of the book: Soo Jin Lee and Linda Yoon have personally observed the frequent neglect of mental health issues in their own immigrant families and within Asian and Asian American communities. Their book "Where I Belong" illuminates how trauma perpetuates through generations and impacts relationships, emphasizing the Asian American experience for better understanding and healing of racial and intergenerational trauma. “Where I Belong” offers crucial therapeutic techniques, reflective questions, journaling prompts, and grounding exercises, empowering readers to recognize their intergenerational strengths and resilience and to fully embrace their identity and cultural heritage. About Yellow Chair Collective: Yellow Chair Collective is a psychotherapist group with a special focus on Asian and Asian American identity based in California, Oregon, Washington, and New York. Asian Americans and the multicultural population struggle with unique pain points. Much of what Asian American and multicultural therapy identifies as intergenerational trauma or racial discrimination has been neglected and dismissed throughout American history. As a Collective, we are dedicated to bridging cultural identity as a huge part of everyone’s mental struggles. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/36600050

271: Having Unforgettable Presence, with Lorraine K. Lee 05/06/2025

270: Six Years Later, And (No Surprise Here) We’re Still Talking 04/22/2025

270: Six Years Later, And (No Surprise Here) We’re Still Talking By the time a human is six years old, they’re usually in formal schooling with wide-open minds, ready to learn. You’re learning that you can’t bring peanut butter in because some classmates might be allergic to peanuts (which shows you how to be a considerate citizen); you’re learning that you can’t call Suzie an idiot (because words have power); that baking soda and vinegar can propel that paper mache volcano (as in, science is real); and that when adults say “maybe” as in “maybe we’ll go to get ice cream for lunch” they’re not always telling the truth (developing our critical thinking). Why all this talk about six-year-olds? Well, as you might have guessed, here at Dear White Women, we’re wrapping up year SIX of this podcast, which makes us, as a platform, similar in many ways to that small human that we were just talking about. A lot of this has been a journey in those skills for us, and, hopefully, you, too, have learned a little bit along this journey of 270 episodes and counting. Here is to where we’ve been, and where we’re going as we move into our SEVENTH year of podcasting. And to everyone asking, “So, you done now?” Given everything that’s going on in the world (and specifically in the United States since January 20, 2025), we’ve got a never-ending supply of topics. Suffice it to say, we’ve still got a lot more to talk about, with each other, and with you - and we’ll soon be sharing with you how we’re changing this platform to give us the ability to say even more. Thanks, as always, for listening. What to listen for: How and why we started this podcast Our personal whys - and what keeps us going, especially over this last year Favorite episodes from this last year How you can bring us in to speak with your organizations about how to have difficult conversations, and/or why belonging still matters - we each individually, and together, do lots of speaking engagements Subscribe to the show to keep updated on the changes coming to our platform! Follow Dear White Women on your favorite podcast platform, so you don’t miss these conversations! Catch up on more commentary between episodes by following us on and get more by joining our . Subscribe to the Podcast Listening on iTunes? Listening on Android? Follow us on social media to continue the conversation! /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/36240300

269: In Support of the Rule of Law, with Debbie Hines 04/08/2025

269: In Support of the Rule of Law, with Debbie Hines Even if you’re not a lawyer, the challenge that this administration is mounting to the rule of law affects you, too. When the president challenges the judiciary, when we as a country go after lawyers simply for doing their actual jobs, it hurts all of us. What’s happening now is weakening our judicial branch and centering power in the executive branch. Maybe you’ve heard the term “unitary executive”? This basically means that the jobs of the other two branches, or the other two branches of government themselves, can be told what to do by the President, as the power becomes consolidated solely in that branch. As we are recording this, Cory Booker is almost 20 hours into the third-longest speech on the Senate floor, and THAT is the fire that we need from Congress and the legislative branch, which has been largely lacking until now in this triangle of power. But we need also accountability in order for democracy to work: Due process keeps us from disappearing people in the night, the right to representation keeps the President from telling law firms and prosecutors who they can represent, and our current system, if we let it, is heading towards that unitary executive, which is basically a dictatorship. So it was wonderful to speak with Debbie Hines, a former prosecutor, assistant state attorney general, and trial attorney, on her take on what’s not only happening in our current administration, but how we can conceptualize the role of our legal system in our world, and how we can fight for a better, more expansive role for the judiciary and the justice system rather than playing small and bending the knee to those who would destroy it. What to listen for: A clear explanation for the different layers of lawyers who work to keep our communities abiding by the rule of law - from trial attorneys to prosecutors to attorneys general Reflections and contextualizing what is happening with our current administration What’s broken about our current legal system How each of us can take action towards changing it Recommendations: Visit local courts to see how prosecutors work Meeting with people who have encountered the prosecutorial system and/or are incarcerated → listen to Marcus Bullock episodes Educate family, friends, coworkers based on info in this book – support diversion, restorative justice, and community-based programs, as many have better recidivism rates Decline to prosecute 13 million misdemeanor cases annually (80% of criminal cases prosecuted in state courts); instead, support the idea of punching up and go after economic fraud, things that hurt more people About Debbie: Former Baltimore prosecutor, Assistant Attorney General for the State of Maryland, and trial attorney Debbie Hines is an advocate for racial equity in the criminal justice system. She maintains a private law practice focused on civil and criminal litigation in Washington, DC. A leading voice in the discourse of criminal justice and race, Hines is often called on by media networks for legal commentary. Other resources: Episodes #83 + 84 with Episode #37: 99 Problems and the Episode #41 with /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/36046525

268: How We Can Fight Book Bans in 2025 03/25/2025

268: How We Can Fight Book Bans in 2025 Between the time when we recorded this episode and this introduction, so many of our learning institutions, including the Department of Education and the Institute of Museum and Library Services, are being systematically or haphazardly dismantled at the whim of our current President(s). This may send us into a spiral of despair - or, may even freeze us in place and render us unable to act. But … what if these challenges brought us into the fight, instead? Our two guests on this episode co-founded organizations designed to do just that - fight back. They are just like you and me, except they saw what was wrong in their communities and decided to do something about it. We hope that you listen to Gaby and Lissette’s stories in this episode and share them far and wide. We are not powerless. We, the people, can do so much. And now is the time: find what you love, and fight for it in your communities. All of us, or none of us. And we need books, and the truth, now more than ever. What to listen for: Which (now banned) books shaped early life in important ways for Gaby and Lisette How each of them started their respective organizations and the “why” behind doing so What to do to support their work, as well as get involved/start your own fight About Lissette: Lissette Fernandez, of Miami, Florida, is the co-founder of Moms for Libros, a nonprofit, nonpartisan public education advocacy (because a good quality education should be a nonpartisan issue). As a mother of two, she is dedicated to ensuring that all children have access to a high-quality, equitable education. About Gaby: Gaby Diaz-Vendrell is a senior at Barnard College, double majoring in psychology and human rights with a minor in education. She began organizing at 14 in response to the 2018 Parkland shooting and has since worked with Women’s March, Florida Action Network, Florida N.O.W., and other public interest organizations. In 2024, Diaz-Vendrell founded Our Florida, a coalition of parents, students, and educators working on The Protect Florida Classrooms Act, a bill designed to challenge Florida's arbitrary book bans through civil rights law. At her core, she is dedicated to building a world where the dignity of every human is respected, justice prevails, and systems uplift rather than oppress. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/35847840

267: Don’t Let Yourself Be Gaslit By Our Two Presidents 03/11/2025

267: Don’t Let Yourself Be Gaslit By Our Two Presidents Gaslighting. Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse that involves manipulating someone into questioning their sanity, memories, or perception of reality. Sounds horrible right? An example of this: a person or institution may say that an activist campaigning for change is irrational or “crazy,” or they may deny biases if someone confronts them about microaggressions. Nobody wants to be gaslit – it makes you feel confused, anxious, and isolated, and we know from research that feeling like that can have a real impact on your mental AND physical health. But here we are, being gaslit by the leaders of our very own United States government. And when we say things like this, I keep coming back to George Orwell’s quote from 1984 - or was it 2025? - which says: “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” This is exactly what’s happening now. So - how do we keep ourselves from being fooled? How do we make sure that our collective mental and physical health as a nation doesn’t go down the toilet? We need to gather evidence to counteract the denial, the trivializing, the stereotyping that’s happening. So, in this episode, that’s what we’re going to do. Gather evidence to make sure you have all the info you need to stand up and push back against people who say what’s happening is normal. Educate yourselves and then each other because mainstream media is covering the chaos. We (the collective we, I mean) have to cover the truth. To be clear: nothing that’s happening now is normal. And we cannot be gaslit into thinking it is. What to listen for: Why the government is not actually bloated, and the mass firings are illegal How tariffs are taxes, which will be increasing prices for YOU at the register - for eggs, houses, appliances, and more Safety and security are at risk - both domestically with air traffic concerns, all the way to the shift in our international world order - and with the reduction in healthcare and schooling, among other things sure to come What you can do, both locally and through calling your representatives. Use . Follow the Project 2025 Tracker: Further resources, from the Grassroots Connector substack: Investigative Journalism with Traditional Roots : Globally trusted source of fast, accurate, and unbiased news. Operates as a nonprofit cooperative owned by major U.S. daily newspapers, radio, and TV stations, which share its news stories. Articles are written by staff in 100 countries and all 50 states, most of whom are members of the Newspaper Guild Union, part of the AFL-CIO—committed to nonpartisan, fact-based reporting, upholding the highest transparency, accuracy, and integrity standards while championing press freedom and journalist safety worldwide. : A pro-democracy news network aiming to counter misinformation, hold leaders accountable, and build a more informed and engaged electorate, covering policies affecting communities, focusing on democracy, economic justice, healthcare, climate, and inequality. Owned by Good Information Inc., COURIER, a public benefit corporation, is funded by reader contributions, sponsors, and philanthropic support while maintaining editorial independence. : Global news organization delivering independent, progressive investigative journalism that holds power to account and amplifies unheard voices. The primary shareholder is the Scott Trust, which reinvests all profits to support public-interest journalism free from political or corporate influence (more on Scott Trust ). Over half of its funding is from readers worldwide. : A nonprofit, reader-supported investigative newsroom founded in 1976. America’s oldest investigative news outlet focusing on democracy, voting rights, racial justice, and reproductive rights. Based in San Francisco (with bureaus in Washington, DC, and NYC) MJ is a progressive, independent news source. : An independent, nonprofit media organization known for in-depth, fact-based journalism. Supported by a diverse pool of revenue, including corporate sponsorships, member station fees, and philanthropic contributions. NPR is committed to transparency and journalistic integrity. : founded by brothers Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas, is a pro-democracy, independently owned news network. The network's news division, MeidasNews.com, is led by former prosecutor Ron Filipkowski. The network features contributions from prominent legal analysts, journalists, and political experts, including Karen Friedman Agnifilo, Michael Popok, Harry Litman, and Brian Karem. : An independent, nonprofit newsroom dedicated to exposing abuses of power and betrayals of public trust through investigative journalism. With a team of over 150 journalists, ProPublica tackles critical issues like government, business, health care, and the environment, aiming to spur real-world reform and accountability. Founded in 2007, ProPublica is funded primarily by donations. See financials . : 170-year-old global news agency, guided by its Trust Principles to ensure integrity, independence, and unbiased reporting. Its fact-checking unit focuses on verifying claims and visual material from social media, with findings published on Reuters.com. Adheres to its Code of Principles as a signatory of the International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN). : Over the last several years, RP has earned a reputation as a trusted progressive voice by holding the powerful accountable and shining a light on injustice. Progressive and disruptive (in the best sense of the word). : A nonprofit newsroom founded in 2020 to empower women and LGBTQ+ people, emphasizing underrepresented communities, with free, independent journalism focused on gender, politics, and policy. Named for the 19th Amendment, its mission highlights the ongoing struggle for equity and inclusion in democracy. Funded by memberships, philanthropy, and corporate support. ( are listed by name for the sake of transparency). : A strong voice in politics, takes a progressive stance, and amplifies perspectives of young people on issues like democracy, identity, and social justice. Editor-in-Chief Versha Sharma describes it as “a guide and resource for young people who want to change the world for the better, all the while, reminding them to have fun and find joy doing it.” /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/35620315

266: In Support of Transgender Lives with Schuyler Bailar 02/25/2025

266: In Support of Transgender Lives with Schuyler Bailar In the United States, there are an estimated 1.6 million people who identify as transgender, which is about 0.6% of the population ages 13 and older. It’s about the equivalent of the population of Phoenix, Arizona; it’s just about how many people said on the US Census in 2021 that they are Japanese. Of course this population matters – AND, it’s not a large percentage of our American population. Yet the inordinate number of laws that have already been passed or changed since #47 was re-inaugurated, ones that harm the transgender community and the individuals and families in it, is astounding. In other words, although this group doesn’t comprise a large percentage of our American population, it is being disproportionately targeted by this administration. The cruelty is the point, sure. But what can we do about it? How can we be an ally? Let’s start with organizations to support. If you have the ability to donate or volunteer, here are a few that we like: the Transgender Law Center, Advocates for Trans Equality, The Trevor Project, The Trans Lifeline, and GLAAD. Also, you’ll want to make sure to check what organizations are available locally as well, as it will be your local communities where you can have the most impact. Next, listen to this episode - or re-listen, if you heard it come out before. Buy Schuyler’s book. Tell all your friends. We have to talk about what it means to be transgender, and how the transgender lived experience differs from ours, if we want to truly be allies and not just performatively say we are. This is where we say, and mean it: all of us, or none of us. We hope you listen, and take action. What to listen for: Intersectionality, and Schuyler’s own experience growing up biracial The importance of exploring why you are who you are, for ALL of us, when it comes to gender The quick take-down of the arguments from people working to push trans women out of women’s sports A bullet pointed list of what NOT to say to transgender folks [TIMESTAMP PLEASE] How to remind yourself of joy and a sense of thriving in the world, when it gets rough What Schuyler wants cisgender, heterosexual women to do differently, once you listen to the episode About Schuyler: Schuyler Bailar (he/him) is an educator, advocate, and bestselling author who made history as the first transgender athlete to compete in any sport on an NCAA Division 1 men’s team. Originally recruited to swim for the Harvard women’s team, Schuyler made the difficult choice to transition while potentially giving up the prospect of being a women’s NCAA Champion. His story has appeared everywhere from 60 Minutes to The Washington Post and the Ellen Show. Schuyler’s tireless advocacy has earned him numerous honors, including Forbes 30 Under 30 and the Out 100. In 2023, Schuyler’s critically acclaimed nonfiction bestseller became the preeminent resource on trans inclusion, He/She/They: How We Talk About Gender and Why It Matters. Schuyler’s works include his middle-grade novel Obie Is Man Enough, his online gender literacy training LaneChanger.com, and his hit podcast Dear Schuyler, including exclusive interviews with trans icons and allies like Lia Thomos, Dylan Mulvaney, Rafael de la Fuente, and many more. Resources Follow Schuyler on Instagram @pinkmantaray Consider donating to Schuyler’s non-profit, which is underwriting a retreat for transgender athletes in May 2025 (and if you want more information, send us an email): How else can you support transgender lives? https://www.them.us/story/orgs-fighting-back-anti-trans-legislation /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/35391825

265: The United States Should Focus On Equality, with Steve Phillips 02/11/2025

265: The United States Should Focus On Equality, with Steve Phillips We need to be honest about our nation’s history - that we’ve always been a divided nation - if we’re going to be able to strengthen and maximize the full power and potential of our nation. What’s that nation we want to move towards? One dedicated to the proposition of equality. That’s the clear, fresh vision that our guest today, Steve Phillips, writes about in his recent article in The Nation - an article that put in writing what we’d been thinking about - which is to say this: We’re pretty tired of the barrage of viewpoints standing AGAINST what the Trump administration is doing to our country - the authoritarianism, the oppression, the broligarchy. We believe it is much more powerful to round out those views to include not just what we don’t want, but importantly, what we are fighting for, and what we are aspiring to be. The proposition of equality. Of well-being for all. What to listen for: Recognizing the different nations within our country (i.e. facing our history) so we can articulate what we stand for and fight for what we want to see The fully thought-out case for why the Civil War never really ended - with excellent examples from history That we need to focus on the long game - by investing in level 5 leaders, building strong civic engagement organizations, developing detailed data-driven plans, and playing the long game About Steve: Steve Phillips is a national political leader, bestselling author, and columnist. He is the author of The New York Times bestseller Brown Is the New White: How the Demographic Revolution Has Created a New American Majority and the national bestselling book How We Win the Civil War: Securing a Multiracial Democracy and Ending White Supremacy for Good. He is a columnist for The Guardian and The Nation. He is also the host of “Democracy in Color with Steve Phillips,” a color-conscious podcast on politics. He is the founder of Democracy in Color, a political media organization dedicated to race, politics and the multicultural progressive New American Majority. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/35216590

264: Trump 2.0: What This Might Mean For Women, Parents, And All of Us 01/28/2025

263: How Are You Trump-Proofing Your Life? 01/14/2025

263: How Are You Trump-Proofing Your Life? We’ve arrived in 2025, and assuming President-Elect Trump is inaugurated, this means he will be the first president to take office convicted of felony crimes. And since we know that an organization’s tone is often set by its leadership, we can’t help wondering: how will we see Trump’s leadership impact the culture of the United States, and how will this play out in our collective futures? Let’s be real about where we are in this moment in history, courtesy of the Atlantic: “According to a last year by the Varieties of Democracy Institute at the University of Gothenburg, in Sweden, when it comes to global freedom, we have returned to a level last seen in 1986. About 5.7 billion people—72 percent of the world’s population—now live under authoritarian rule. Even the United States, vaunted beacon of democracy, is about to inaugurate a president who openly of wanting to be a “dictator on day one,” who regularly to jail his opponents and sic the military on the “enemy within,” and who about his election being the country’s last…..Many Americans understand today what political exhaustion and complacency look and feel like. But the dissident is the one who hopes against hope.” We can’t imagine it’ll be particularly easy, but we do believe we have reason to hope. Hope is the consequence of action, and is often self-fulfilling (we act, we hope, we act some more). This is why today, we’re asking you this: How are YOU Trump-proofing your life? What to listen for: Putting self care first - like, REAL self care - and the story about Sara’s thunderclap headaches How to stay informed while keeping your sanity Necessary mindsets, including trusting yourself, grieving, choosing your lane / letting go of the rest, getting real about power - and asking ourselves what we’re willing to sacrifice (comfort, convenience, or more) to stand up for what’s right Simple example: Do you believe fact-checking and real people are important parts of social media platforms? If so, will you get yourself off Meta’s platforms? A reminder not to reinvent the wheel, but find and support organizations doing the work with your time, money, and energy. to start with - let us know what organizations you support and we’ll add them to our list! Connect with Us! A reminder not to reinvent the wheel, but to find and support organizations doing the work with your time, money, and energy. to start with - let us know what organizations you support and we’ll add them to our list! To give us input on what you want from our newsletter, and/or share your Asian immigration stories, reach us via email at Follow Dear White Women so you don’t miss these conversations! Like what you hear? Don’t miss another episode and ! Catch up on more commentary between episodes by following us on , , and – and even more opinions and resources if you join our . /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/34826050

262: Farewell 2024, Hello 2025 12/31/2024

262: Farewell 2024, Hello 2025 Tomorrow, we’ll be wishing our loved ones “akemashite omedetou gozaimasu” - or, Happy New Year, in Japanese. If you’re a long-time listener, you know that DEI work (or whatever we’ll be calling it going forward) is personal to us. We’re both the daughters of a Japanese immigrant parent and a white American parent each; the ideas of multiculturalism and difference are embedded in our DNA, and we were raised to have respect not only for our own diverse histories, but those of all others in the world - after all, we’re each only one of 8 billion people in the world, and you bet that everyone has their own story, their own way of living, thinking, and being in our society. On top of that, let’s be clear about our chosen families. Misasha is married to a Black man and has two very multiethnic sons who are Black Japanese, and white. We’ve spent years laying the groundwork to help you understand anti-Black racism, deconstruct the model minority myth, and more. Let us be clear - we do this work because if even one person reading, has an a-ha moment and changes their actions, or talks to someone about something they learned here which changes *their* actions - so Misasha’s boys can come home safe at night, or so you make decisions that might potentially improve or even save the lives of children who look like them - then we will have been successful. Sara is married to a white Canadian man and has two teenage girls the world presumes to be white. Doing the work to challenge our own assumptions about other people matters to us because not everybody is what they seem. Standing against anti-immigration sentiment matters to us; understanding the link between systems of oppression that hurt not only Black people, but neurodivergent people, females, and so many others is critically important to us as well. So far, we have hosted 262 episodes of the Dear White Women podcast because helping people listen, learn, and act differently to help uproot systemic racism is what we need to make the world truly equitable for ALL of us - this is the foundation, the work starts here. And we cannot do it without your help. In 2025, we’ll be speaking to organizations - schools, companies, ERGs, and more - about two topics we think are critically important at this point in history: Why equity and inclusion matters now more than ever - the psychology of belonging How to have difficult conversations. If you have groups you think would benefit, or know people who could hire us in their organizations, please connect us. You can reach us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com anytime. What else to listen for: Reflecting on the most surprising and memorable parts of 2024 Our thoughts on the kakistocracy - the Economist’s word of the year meaning, the rule of the worst. And where we go from here in 2025… /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/34664965

261: How I Stopped Being a Model Minority, with Anne Anlin Cheng 12/17/2024

261: How I Stopped Being a Model Minority, with Anne Anlin Cheng Today’s episode seems to be addressing this question: does politics show up in our everyday lives? Maybe even in our most intimate relationships? And while a lot of folks may be saying politics doesn’t impact me, I don’t do politics… we think the actual answer for most of us in this country is a resounding YES (in fact, we’ve recorded whole episodes and written whole book chapters on this very topic!). Yes, politics impacts our daily lives, including being in our marriages, our parent-child relationships, and more. We’re privileged to have this conversation with someone who took the chance to use her voice in a new way - moving from academia and diving bravely into personal essays - in order to help us all hear one person’s journey confronting the Model Minority Myth that so many Asian folks in America are impacted by, and inspiring us along the way. What to listen for: The challenge in determining where the forces that shape us end, and the “real us” begins - especially when it comes to deconstructing the Model Minority Myth, or even untangling ourselves from notions like the American Dream How politics shows up in our most intimate relationships - including marriage Examples of how white folks can show up, or not, for issues around multiculturalism Where our education system is having to go to meet the population where they are when it comes to talking about politics - we’re now back to discussing civility, empathy, what it means to be a citizen, and the common good About our guest: Anne Anlin Cheng was born in Taiwan, grew up in the American South, and is the author of three books on American racial politics and aesthetics. Her writing has appeared in The Atlantic, the Los Angeles Review of Books, The New York Times, and The Washington Post. Cheng is the 2023–2024 Ford Scholar in Residence at the Museum of Modern Art in New York. She is a professor of English and a former director of American Studies at Princeton University and lives in Princeton, New Jersey. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/34480755

260: The Anti-Ableist Manifesto, with Tiffany Yu 12/03/2024

260: The Anti-Ableist Manifesto, with Tiffany Yu There are SO many insightful conversations and incredible stories we’ve shared on this show, and this one was yet another example of one where we went in thinking one thing, and came out thinking another. Because we’ll be talking with an incredible advocate about ableism and disabilities - a label that, if we aren’t already impacted by it, is a label that - statistically speaking - we may all one day live long enough to be impacted by. We all want to be paying attention. And maybe, just maybe, if you learn through this episode that the way you thought about ability and disability is different than what you previously assumed, maybe, just maybe, you’ll also be open to learning more about race and racism, age and ageism, sex and sexism, anti LGBTQIA+ sentiment, and more. All of these systems of oppression are linked. And we’re so glad that we were able to be in community with someone that we personally know is such a powerful woman in this space for this discussion. What to listen for: Tiffany’s personal journey, and the importance of disability inclusion Some significant stats and perspective - including that 61 million Americans, or one in four adults, have disabilities, making it the largest minority group The "me, we, us" framework to address personal unlearning and systemic change Practical shifts from ableist language – such as "suffering from" to "living with" disabilities The importance of supporting disabled individuals' livelihoods, including the need for inclusive hiring practices, the impact of accessibility on product design, and advocating for a culture that values vulnerability and support About our guest: Tiffany Yu is the CEO & Founder of Diversability, an award-winning social enterprise to elevate disability pride, the Founder of the Awesome Foundation Disability Chapter, and the author of The Anti-Ableist Manifesto: Smashing Stereotypes, Forging Change, and Building a Disability-Inclusive World. Her TED Talk, How to Help Employees with Disabilities Thrive, has over one million views. She serves on the NIH National Advisory Board on Medical Rehabilitation Research and was a Co-Chair of the World Economic Forum Sustainable Development Impact Summit. At the age of 9, Tiffany became disabled as a result of a car accident that also took the life of her father. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/34258705

259: Making and Maintaining Friendships, with Dr. Marisa G. Franco 11/19/2024

259: Making and Maintaining Friendships, with Dr. Marisa G. Franco We’ve had a lot of focus on this show leading into Election 2024 about the state of the country and the deep divides that we’re seeing in society. We’re grateful to and for everyone who worked to ensure that democracy worked in early November. AND, given the election results, we know that these divides still exist and have the ability to grow even deeper. What can we do about that? One step that we can take right now is to examine how we talk to each other, to better connect. So today, we focus on the good stuff - building community, nurturing friendships, and coming together with a lot of meaning and joy. And given who we are, of course, we don’t just do it alone - we do it in partnership with a leading psychologist who specializes in developing friendships, showcased in her NYT bestselling book Platonic, and who - alongside us in our multi-racial identities, also has personal experience driving her desire to help more of us understand how to belong, and find those connections in the world. Listen for so many scientific frameworks about: The importance of friendships - because so many of us make them less of a priority! Three types of loneliness: intimate, relational, and collective How adults make friends Nurturing our existing friendships What we need to consider when building relationships with those different than us Action items: Reflect on what is truly meaningful and important in your life, and be intentional about making time for those things. Consider evaluating your existing friendships and community based on factors like authenticity, energy exchange, and shared values. Be brave and put in the effort to make new friends, even if it feels uncomfortable at first - i.e. get over our overt and covert avoidance! Explore internal work to develop a stronger sense of self, which can help in tolerating and nurturing healthy relationships. About our guest: An enlightening psychologist, TED speaker, and New York Times bestselling author, Dr. Marisa G Franco is known for digesting and communicating science in ways that resonate deeply enough with people to change their lives. She works as a professor at The University of Maryland and authored the New York Times bestseller . She writes about friendship for and has been a featured connection expert for major publications like , , and . She speaks on belonging at corporations, government agencies, non-profits, and universities. For tips on friendship, you can follow her on Instagram (), or go to her website,, where you can take a quiz to assess your strengths and weaknesses as a friend & reach out for speaking engagements. /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/33985437

258: (Why We) Vote For All Of Us 11/05/2024

257: Abortion is About Women’s Health and Human Rights. Vote Like It. 10/22/2024

257: Abortion is About Women’s Health and Human Rights. Vote Like It. When we first recorded this episode, we were at the end of the Trump presidency, when we still had a legal right to abortion in this country. Roe v. Wade was still the law of the land, and women had access to safe abortion options in many states. Now, on the eve of the 2024 Presidential elections, abortion is on the ballot in a post-Dobbs world, where we have women dying because they cannot get legal abortions, and there’s a whole bunch of lawmakers (mostly White dudes) who want to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. Oh, and don’t be fooled by Melania’s sudden desire to be pro-choice: there’s only one Presidential candidate who cares about women’s health and human rights (of which abortion is one), and her name doesn’t end with Trump. So, take this as your reminder to vote for the candidate who cares about women - not about sexually assaulting them, but about their healthcare, their agency, and their bodies. And also, hopefully, as you listen to this re-release, you find that there are so many people out there fighting for women’s health care and reproductive justice, just like If/When/How and Mariko Miki are, and that there is a real community in this. That part is hope personified. And that is what we need to lean into now as well. So vote. And hold onto that hope. Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at . What to listen for: What is a anyway? What are some of the issues when it comes to criminalizing reproductive decision making? . How we need to abortion and decriminalize women’s reproductive lives. The groundbreaking work If/When/How is doing in spearheading a legal defense fund for reproductive justice. Resources people can use, including: a for anybody thinking about a self-managed abortion, and the n on what’s happening in the legal landscape of women’s reproductive rights (with a quick escape button if you need to close the browser immediately). For this episode, we spoke with Mariko Miki, who is the Managing Director and General Counsel at , where she oversees the organization’s programs, people, and policies. Joining If/When/How in 2010, Mariko designed, launched, and directed the , now in its 10th year, and worked to expand reproductive rights and justice course offerings in legal academia. Mariko has served on the Advisory Board of TEACH (Training in Early Abortion for Comprehensive Healthcare) and the Board of Directors for Exhale Pro-Voice, and was a 2019 Rockwood Leadership Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice Fellow. Mariko graduated from Brown University and Harvard Law School. Relevant episodes: Ep. 190: Ep. 92, with Dr. Jenn Ep. 198: – and we mean EVERYTHING – with Patrick Armstrong Ep. 46: Our conversation with . Ep. 47: The bridge between . Ep. 13: when it comes to Black moms. Like what you hear? Support us through ! Don’t miss another episode and to the podcast! Follow us on – and don’t miss our new anti-racism action calendar by joining our . /episode/index/show/dearwhitewomen/id/33561497

256: Trump is Still a Liar, Including Project 2025: Why Harris is the Only Choice 10/08/2024

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