CloudChat
Conversations about building software and designing architecture in the cloud natively.
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Ep. 29 - New Year's ☁️ Resolutions
01/05/2026
Ep. 29 - New Year's ☁️ Resolutions
“In 2026, your cloud is not allowed to have the same incidents for the same reasons as last year.” Carl and Brandon treat this episode like a retrospective (the kind any good agile team would run), but instead of talking about sprint tickets, they write a New Year’s resolution list on behalf of your cloud team. The format is simple: Stop, Start, Keep. Small, opinionated constraints that change day-to-day habits, not vague wishes about “better reliability, security, and cost.” The Stop list hits the repeat-incident patterns: single-region “global” apps, treating infrastructure-as-code as optional (and living in the portal), mystery ownership with no clear tags or escalation path, one-off production fix scripts that never get documented, dashboards that are always green while users are hurting, and “temporary” exceptions that turn into permanent risk. The Start list is the muscle-building: run realistic failover/incident drills, measure change and recovery (DORA-style signals and MTTR, not just uptime), budget reliability and cost together, treat internal platforms like products with golden paths, standardize secrets and identity, and add a regular “delete day” so old environments and artifacts do not drag into the new year. The Keep list is what compounds: automate repetitive toil, invest in observability tied to real user flows, keep blameless postmortems with concrete follow-ups, and keep platform/SRE work visible so it does not get squeezed out by features. We hope you and your team are able to embrace some of these resolutions in the coming year, and hope that listening to more CloudChat is at the top of your list. Happy New Year everybody! Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 28 - Respect My (DNS) Awe-Thor-Ih-TAY!!
12/01/2025
Ep. 28 - Respect My (DNS) Awe-Thor-Ih-TAY!!
Your cloud is humming along, then an edge breaks. What lever do you actually still have to steer users? In this episode, Carl and Brandon dig into DNS as a control plane and why “it is always DNS” keeps being true in 2025. DNS was designed for a slower internet with long TTLs and infrequent changes, but we now treat it like a real-time steering wheel for global failover. That mismatch shows up in outages where the backend is fine but nobody can resolve the hostname that front doors, CDNs, and APIs live behind. We unpack how TTL and caching really work (including negative caching and serve-stale), why modern edge products like Azure Front Door and Cloudflare can still turn into global single points of failure, and how DNS-based load balancers actually behave when you flip weights or priorities. From there we move into patterns and mitigations. We walk through hub-and-spoke vs mesh topologies and where public vs private DNS sit in each, plus concrete strategies for what to do when your edge is broken: bypass patterns, equivalent services, and multi-product designs that let you route around a failing front door. We also hit the observability side so “it is DNS” becomes a graph and an alert instead of a guess in a war room. We close with a look at emerging record types like SVCB/HTTPS and how they may help you advertise alternate endpoints and protocol hints without building another fragile tower of CNAMEs. Links DNS Fundamentals DNS Load Balancing and Edge Services Azure, AWS, and Cloudflare Outage Reading Architectures and Private DNS Emerging DNS Records and HTTP/3 Visit us at:
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Ep. 27 - Whoops, No VM's!!!
11/03/2025
Ep. 27 - Whoops, No VM's!!!
You’ve planned for redundancy, scaling, and failover, but what happens when the cloud itself runs out of space? In this episode, Carl and Brandon untangle capacity (what the provider physically or logically has available in a region or zone) versus quota (the soft limit on what you can consume). Mixing the two leads to painful surprises during scale events and failovers. We talk through how capacity shortfalls show up in real life—zones that are full, SKUs that vary by location, and limited supply for GPU-heavy instances, and the patterns that help: design for multiple zones and regions, add retry and fallback logic with flexible SKUs, balance spot with on-demand, and hold a baseline with reservations or time-bound commitments. We close on the business side: the price of headroom, when commitments make sense, and simple pipeline and monitoring checks so “no capacity” errors fail fast instead of 30 minutes into a deploy. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 26 - Are Your Cloud Costs Too Damn High???
10/06/2025
Ep. 26 - Are Your Cloud Costs Too Damn High???
Cloud cost optimization is about designing systems that perform efficiently without wasting money. In this episode, Carl and Brandon break down how AWS, Azure, and Google Cloud help teams rightsize compute, manage storage tiers, and control networking costs. They talk through savings plans, spot instances, lifecycle management, and data transfer strategies that keep performance high and waste low. The discussion then moves into monitoring, automation, and FinOps culture, where budgets, policies, and shared accountability make optimization stick. They cover dashboards, tagging, auto-shutdown routines, and partner-led programs that unlock funding and deeper discounts. Real-world stories from enterprises and startups highlight one key truth: cost management is not a cleanup exercise, it is an ongoing habit that keeps cloud architectures both efficient and sustainable. Links AWS: AWS: AWS: AWS: Azure: Azure: Azure: Azure: GCP: GCP: GCP: GCP: Visit us at:
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Ep. 25 - The Sound of Security
09/08/2025
Ep. 25 - The Sound of Security
Security is more than a feature, it’s a pillar of the Well-Architected Framework. In this episode, Carl and Brandon explore how AWS, Azure, and GCP approach security across identity and access, infrastructure defense, data protection, monitoring, governance, and the shared responsibility model. They compare tools and practices like IAM, RBAC, and conditional access; network firewalls, WAFs, and DDoS protection; encryption at rest and in transit; and incident detection and automated remediation. The conversation also dives into security testing, drift detection with IaC, compliance posture, and how policy enforcement differs across the big three. The episode closes with a reminder that cloud security is always shared, and is never finished. Links AWS: AWS: AWS: AWS: AWS: AWS: Azure: Azure: Azure: Azure: Azure: Azure: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: Visit us at:
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Ep. 24 - Operating Excellently
08/04/2025
Ep. 24 - Operating Excellently
Operational excellence goes beyond uptime, it’s about building and operating cloud systems with discipline, automation, and continuous improvement. Carl and Brandon break down what operational excellence really means, drawing a distinction between striving for perfection and building resilient, adaptable systems. They discuss how principles from AWS, Azure, and GCP converge around key practices like repeatable automation, structured change management, and process validation. The episode dives into real-world strategies for automation, incident readiness, and observability, including where and how to insert gates, use feature flags, and integrate infrastructure as code across cloud platforms. From avoiding certificate-induced outages to catching misconfigurations early, the key theme is consistency at scale. The discussion also emphasizes the cultural side, why shared ownership, retrospectives, and iterative postmortems matter just as much as tooling. Links Ansible: AWS Docs: AWS Docs: AWS Docs: AWS Docs: AWS Docs: AWS: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: Google Cloud: HashiCorp Docs: HashiCorp Docs: Microsoft Docs: Microsoft Learn: Microsoft Learn: Microsoft Learn: Microsoft Learn: Microsoft Learn: Microsoft Learn: PowerShell Universal Docs: Red Hat Docs: Visit us at:
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Ep. 23 - Turbocharged: Mastering Performance in Cloud Architecture
07/07/2025
Ep. 23 - Turbocharged: Mastering Performance in Cloud Architecture
Cloud performance is one of those words that everyone agrees matters, but often means different things depending on who you ask. Is it latency? Is it autoscaling? Is it picking the right SKU size? We cover the fundamentals of designing for performance in the cloud: how to select the right compute options, when to scale up or out, and what it takes to reduce latency across global workloads. We explore autoscaling strategies, observability tooling, cost tradeoffs, and real-world tuning stories—plus we wrap with a cheat sheet of optimization tools across AWS, Azure, and GCP. Performance isn’t just about throwing more cores or RAM at a problem. It’s a set of design choices you make continuously—choices that affect cost, scalability, and user experience. Use the principles and tools in your cloud provider to experiment, monitor, and improve. Producer’s note: we encountered some technical issues during recording, so apologies for the audio quality in some parts. The content is still solid, and we hope you find it valuable! Links: Visit us at:
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Ep. 22 - What is Cloud Resiliency, Really?
06/02/2025
Ep. 22 - What is Cloud Resiliency, Really?
Carl and Brandon break down the core concepts behind cloud resiliency, availability, reliability, and redundancy — how they relate, where they differ, and why understanding those distinctions is critical. Just because a service is “always on” doesn’t mean it’s resilient. They explore the difference between planned and unplanned outages, how graceful degradation works in practice, and why resiliency is measured by recovery, not just uptime. It’s not just about uptime. It’s about what breaks, how you recover, and what keeps going when everything else doesn’t. They also cover the architectural side: distributed systems, zone-aware deployments, chaos testing, and recovery strategies that go beyond documentation. With real-world failure scenarios and practical planning advice, this episode helps cloud teams build for failure — before it happens. Links: Visit us at:
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Ep. 21 - The 9 Circles of Dependency Hell 🔥
05/05/2025
Ep. 21 - The 9 Circles of Dependency Hell 🔥
Carl and Brandon descend into the fiery depths of Dependency Hell, exploring nine common (and painful) challenges that plague developers working in modern cloud environments. From version mismatches to licensing traps, each “circle” offers insights, real-world examples, and actionable tips for escaping the chaos. If you’ve ever watched a cloud deployment crash because of a transitive dependency or scrambled to patch a vulnerability from three layers down in your stack, this episode is for you. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 20 - The 3 M's of Going to the Cloud
04/07/2025
Ep. 20 - The 3 M's of Going to the Cloud
If you’ve been thinking of moving to the cloud, or are in the first steps of your journey, Carl and Brandon cover the 3 M’s of going to the cloud: Migrate, Modernize, and Manage. The hosts cover key points in planning your move, including analyzing and taking inventory if your current on-premises environment, multiple cloud provider options, and the importance of understanding your technical needs based on possibly hidden dependencies in your solution, and starting to think about Day 2 Operations. Sharing real world experience of their own journeys, this episode will give you a lot to think about as you and your team plan the next steps in your journey. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 19 - All Your Data Are Belong to Us
03/03/2025
Ep. 19 - All Your Data Are Belong to Us
In this episode, Carl and Brandon deep dive into the world of data storage in the cloud! With numerous options, different paradigms, and a plethora of scenarios to consider, they discuss the pros and cons of each. They also touch on some “non-traditional” data storage options, such as using an in-memory cache as your primary database. Are you a polyglot database user? Do you have a favorite database that you use no matter what the scenario is? Join us to hear the discussion on both sides of the issue! Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 18 - We Can Hardly Contain Ourselves!
02/03/2025
Ep. 18 - We Can Hardly Contain Ourselves!
In today’s episode, Carl and Brandon dive deep into container technology. They cover everything from the container file to orchestrating containers on a cloud platform. Furthermore, Carl and Brandon discuss how Docker is not the end-all-be-all of container technology, and options that you have to use instead of Docker. If you want to learn more about what containers are, how they work, why you would want to use them, and how they apply to more than just the cloud, this is the episode for you! Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 17 - The Source is with Us
01/06/2025
Ep. 17 - The Source is with Us
In this episode, Carl and Brandon speak with Brian Munzenmayer, who shares his extensive experience in the open-source community. Brian discusses his journey from fixing simple typos in documentation to becoming a key maintainer of a large open source website that you’ve probably used. The discussion delves into the importance of community engagement in open-source projects, the spectrum of contributions, and the various roles individuals can play, from coding to organizing and managing projects. Brian also touches on the challenges of maintaining open-source projects, including the risk of burnout and the need for sustainable practices. The episode also explores the broader impact of open-source software on the tech industry, highlighting how contributions can influence major projects and even corporate products. Brian emphasizes the value of open-source work in professional development and the importance of fostering inclusive and collaborative environments. The episode concludes with insights into the future of open-source software and the ongoing need for community-driven innovation. And of course, we have to mention that Brian is the author of, which is available now for purchase! Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 16 - Control All the Things! 🛩️
12/02/2024
Ep. 16 - Control All the Things! 🛩️
In this episode, Carl and Brandon dive into the world of control planes, starting with what they are and how they differ from other planes you may see in your solutions and the providers they run on. They chat about the balance between automation and manual operations, and share examples from popular cloud services and technologies like Kubernetes, AWS, and Azure. Then, they explore the key functions of a control plane, such as resource management, policy enforcement, and tenant, security, monitoring, and configuration management. Carl and Brandon also take a closer look at control planes in Kubernetes, explaining the roles of components like the API server, etcd, controller manager, and scheduler, and how they work together to manage clusters. Finally, they discuss the challenges and benefits of deploying and managing control planes across multiple cloud providers, and share best practices for keeping things consistent in multi-cloud and hybrid environments. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 15 - Dude, Where's My Server?
11/04/2024
Ep. 15 - Dude, Where's My Server?
Today, Carl and Brandon cover a comprehensive overview of serverless computing, starting with its importance and benefits. We explain the serverless model, highlighting the differences between serverless and traditional computing, and addresses common misconceptions. The Big Three Cloud provider offerings are covered, including Azure Functions, AWS Lambda, and Google Cloud Run. Each service is explored, with real-world use cases, key features, and best practices for building and deploying serverless functions. We also delve into the challenges and considerations of serverless computing, such as cold start latency, security concerns, and vendor lock-in. The discussion concludes with predictions for the future of serverless computing, including emerging trends, the rise of multi-cloud strategies, how AI may change the game, and the increasing focus on security and compliance. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 14 - Smooooth Operator: Configuring Your Architecture 🛠️
10/07/2024
Ep. 14 - Smooooth Operator: Configuring Your Architecture 🛠️
In this episode, Carl and Brandon dive deep into the world of configuration, exploring various methods for system, app, and user-facing config. Starting with hard-coded values and whether there is ever a time for hard-coding, weighing the benefits and drawbacks. The conversation then shifts to configuration files, including web.config, app.config, and various environment-specific files such as .env files for backend and frontend uses. Carl and Brandon also explore feature flags, databases, and SaaS options for configuration, such as LaunchDarkly, and delve into DevOps patterns, including pipeline sourcing and configuration services like AWS AppConfig and Azure App Configuration. Finally, they cover secrets management with services like Azure Key Vault and AWS Key Management Service. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 13 - What is the Cloud☁️?
09/09/2024
Ep. 13 - What is the Cloud☁️?
Carl and Brandon delve into the fundamentals of cloud computing, exploring its definition, history, key components, and the various “types” of clouds such as public, private, and hybrid. The hosts also highlight the numerous benefits of cloud computing, including cost efficiency, scalability, flexibility, and enhanced security. The episode also addresses common challenges like security concerns, compliance issues, and managing costs, while offering insights into the future of cloud computing with emerging trends like edge computing and AI integration. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 12 - Words Mean Things
08/26/2024
Ep. 12 - Words Mean Things
In our latest podcast episode, Carl and Brandon explored the fundamental aspects of cloud computing, focusing on Regions, Availability Zones, Quota, and Capacity. They discussed how regions are collections of zones, each with high-bandwidth, low-latency network connections, and the importance of deploying applications across multiple zones and regions to ensure fault tolerance and high availability. They also delved into the differences between logical and physical zones, and how regional resources can be accessed by any zone within that region. Additionally, they examined Azure’s approach to paired regions and the need for custom geo-redundant capabilities in newer regions. The conversation then shifted to the concepts of quota and capacity in cloud computing. Quotas, synonymous with limits, ensure that each service can offer a minimum amount of resources. Carl and Brandon discussed the different types of quotas, including soft limits that can be raised through support requests, and the architectural options available when more resources are needed. They highlighted the importance of diversifying resource types to overcome quota limits and enhance application resilience. Finally, they examined capacity limitations, the concept of capacity reservations in Azure, and the differences between on-demand capacity reservations and reserved instances. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 11 - m*cro-services
08/12/2024
Ep. 11 - m*cro-services
Carl and Brandon delve into the fascinating world of microservices, starting with a brief introduction and a comparison to macro-services like monolithic and modular monolith architectures. We explored the evolution from monolithic architectures to microservices, highlighting the advantages such as scalability, agility, resilience, and technology diversity. We also discussed the granular scalability of individual services, the independent development and deployment of services, and the use of different technologies for each service. However, we didn’t shy away from the challenges, addressing the increased complexity, operational overhead, and resource consumption associated with managing distributed systems. Links Visit us at:
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Ep. 10 - Risky Bidness: Ripped from the Headlines
07/29/2024
Ep. 10 - Risky Bidness: Ripped from the Headlines
In this episode, Carl and Brandon explored the recent CrowdStrike outage and the lessons to take from the event as it relates to high availability, business continuity, and disaster recovery (HA/BCDR) strategies in the cloud. The incident underscored the need for redundancy, swift response, and well-defined recovery procedures. Surprisingly, we drew parallels to the banana crisis of the 1950s. The monoculture of the Gros Michel banana left the industry vulnerable to Panama disease. The lesson? Diversity in dependencies matters—whether in tech or agriculture. Remember: HA/BCDR and diversity are key to resilience. 🎙️🍌🔒 Links: Visit us at:
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Ep. 9 - Knowing Your (Cloud) Tools
07/15/2024
Ep. 9 - Knowing Your (Cloud) Tools
In this episode, we delve into the world of “Cloud Tooling”. We explore how different cloud platforms take similar approaches to tooling, with a variety of tools such as command-line interfaces (CLIs), RESTful APIs (and even gRPC), as well as programming language-specific SDKs. We discuss the spectrum of Graphical User Interfaces (GUIs) and Command Line Interfaces (CLIs), comparing portals, CLI, and Infrastructure as Code (IaC) strategies. We also cover the differences between various Integrated Development Environments (IDEs), and the trend of living in the terminal/shell to be “leetcoderz”. The episode also touches on the increasing popularity of the shell among coders and streamers, and the importance of achieving consistent experiences with different shells. Links Shell Customizations Visit us at:
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Ep. 8 - Container All the Things!
07/01/2024
Ep. 8 - Container All the Things!
In this episode, Carl and Brandon delve into the world of containers, exploring their benefits and complexities. We discuss how containers compare to traditional server deployments and virtual machines, highlighting their advantages in development speed, reliable deployments, and consistency across different environments. However, we also touch on the challenges they present, such as complexity, networking, and security issues. We further explore the concept of container layers, the role of container runtimes, and the importance of container registries and orchestrators. Show links: Visit us at:
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Ep. 7 - What the WASM? with Steven Murawski
06/17/2024
Ep. 7 - What the WASM? with Steven Murawski
In this episode, we are joined by our first guest, Steven Murawski, a Principal Cloud Advocate at Microsoft, who provides an insightful discussion on WebAssembly (WASM) and its role in enabling interoperability across programming languages. The conversation delves into Web Assembly’s objective of creating a portable execution format for multiple languages with near-native performance, and how it is designed to create a new interface when transitioning from the browser to the server-side. We also explore how WebAssembly can be leveraged to modify application behavior by publishing interfaces for scenarios such as incoming changes, logging, or composing rule components, and the potential standalone use cases in a cloud ecosystem. We also discuss the possibilites of SDKs as wrappers around REST APIs or other shared endpoints, the role of different runtimes like wasmtime and Spin, and the concept of “worlds” in WebAssembly. We would like to extend our gratitude to Steven for joining us and sharing his valuable insights! Show links: Web Assembly System Interface (WASI) Component Model WASM Runtimes Fermyon Wasmcloud .NET DeisLabs Binding Generation Additional Learning Resources Open Source Projects Visit us at:
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Ep. 6 - Who's Your Landlord?
06/03/2024
Ep. 6 - Who's Your Landlord?
In this episode, Carl and Brandon discuss the many layers of tenancy within a cloud solution. From single tenant to full multitenant, there are many options to consider. Additionally, building on the past episodoes of IaC and DevOps, Carl and Brandon talk about the disciplines required to move into a modern and automated solution that can scale with your organization and its services. Show links: Landing Zones Visit us at:
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Ep. 5 - Your Ops Are in My Dev
05/20/2024
Ep. 5 - Your Ops Are in My Dev
In this episode, Carl and Brandon cover a wide range of topics related to DevOps, including the technical and cultural aspects of DevOps, the role of scripting and automation, DevOps tools and infrastructure, communication and teamwork, and additional points on platforms like GitHub and Jira, monitoring tools, and metrics reporting. Show links: Tooling Visit us at:
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Ep. 4 - From Portal to Code
05/06/2024
Ep. 4 - From Portal to Code
Following the conversation on Deployment Stamps, Carl and Brandon dive into the concepts of Infrastructure as Code (IaC) and its applications in cloud computing. The hosts discuss the benefits of using IaC, including version control and transparency in infrastructure deployment, making it easier to understand what has been built and why. They also highlight the importance of governance, such as naming conventions, in IaC, as this can make it easier to find resources later on. Carl and Brandon cover both first and third-party IaC frameworks, as well as pros and cons of each. Show links: IaC Frameworks First-Party (Cloud Provider-Specifid) Third Party (Cloud Agnostic) Other Links of Interest Visit us at:
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Ep. 3 - Paying Forward the Postage
04/22/2024
Ep. 3 - Paying Forward the Postage
Carl and Brandon discuss the Deployment Stamp pattern and how it can improve your efficiency in the cloud. Create reproducible deployments across multiple environments, save on costs, and scale dynamically to meet demand. Show links: Visit us at:
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Ep. 2 - Agile Hobbies
04/08/2024
Ep. 2 - Agile Hobbies
Carl shares his journey of transitioning a 20-year-old hobby project into a robust app, highlighting the importance of modern software development practices. The hosts discuss version control, formatting, and the concept of cloud readiness, emphasizing their relevance in both professional and personal cloud-based development. Show links: Visit us at:
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Ep. 1 - aaS's of the Cloud
03/25/2024
Ep. 1 - aaS's of the Cloud
In this episode, Carl and Brandon discuss the various "as a Service" models, including Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS), Platform as a Service (PaaS), Software as a Service (SaaS), and Containers as a Service (CaaS). They explore the differences between these models and how they can be used to build and maintain cloud solutions. The hosts also discuss the concept of shared responsibility in the cloud and differences across the types of cloud services. Visit us at:
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Ep. 0 - Hello World!
03/08/2024
Ep. 0 - Hello World!
Welcome to episode ZERO of CloudChat! Introducing the best bi-weekly [whatever that means] podcast that covers cloud-focused software and architectural discussions. Stay up to date with the latest and greatest in the cloud from Carl and Brandon and soak in the great discussions on all the classic design patterns that are still tried and true.
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