Dogged Justice
Dogged Justice is an educational podcast focused on sharing the positive impact facility dogs make in the criminal justice system. Hosted by Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Dr Jim Ha and Courthouse Facility Dog Handler Colleen Phelan each episode will share a new aspect of the world wide work of the Courthouse Dogs Foundation. Weekly 30 - 45 minute episodes will bring you insightful interviews from members of the community, to deep dives into cutting edge research, and Jim’s Training Corner. To learn more about what they are doing to change the criminal justice system go to https://courthousedogs.org/
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Cognitive Research With Puppies featuring Guest Emily Bray
10/15/2021
Cognitive Research With Puppies featuring Guest Emily Bray
Have you ever wondered what it looks like to be an Animal Behavior Researcher? from the joins Colleen and Jim in this episode. Emily takes our hosts through her process of working with puppies, tells them how the research is functionally applied and shares some of the activities she takes the working dogs through as well. Episode Highlights 1:26 - Meet the first guest of Season 2 Emily Bray from the Arizona Canine Cognition Center & Canine Companions 2:30 - The work that Canine Companions early development center does. 4:35 - Emily’s process and her early work in animal behavior studies. 6:30 - Surprising behaviors discovered during the maternal studies. 10:05 - Jim & Emily reflect on how important the maternal work being done benefits all dog owners. Plus, where Jim has recently referenced the work. 12:30 - Why these long-term studies are so challenging to complete. 17:00 - The benefits of these long-term studies and why it's worth being patient for them to be completed. 18:00 - Emily goes deep on the cognitive research she's been conducting on working dogs. 23:00 - How this research get’s functionally applied in the real world. 26:00 - Jim points out how specialized puppy raisers' intuition and years of experience play a part in all of this. 31:00 - Jim invites Emily to share her recent publications from the data she’s collected. 33:00 - 3 tasks used in recent testing and what the results helped us understand. 38:00 - Thinking about Blake, Colleen reflects on the daily tasks her facility dog would and would not be suited for. 40:45 - Jim and Emily talk through what makes positive and negative outcomes, and how a working dog's characteristics play a part. 43:30 - What happens when a working dog isn't the right fit for the originally intended working environment. 45:15 - Emily share's what it's like to work with these cute dogs all day as a professional animal behavior researcher. If you'd like to know more about the work Emily does you can follow her website at
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Season 2 - Science, Training, and Research Behind Facility Dogs
07/11/2021
Season 2 - Science, Training, and Research Behind Facility Dogs
Welcome back to Season 2 of Dogged Justice. This season Colleen and Jim will be focusing on the complexities of the science and research behind selecting and training facility dogs. Our hosts also provide personal updates and share the celebration of Molly B’s life as a facility dog. Show Highlights 1:30 - Season 1 Recap 2:30 - What to expect in Season 2 4:30 - Science behind selecting these facility dogs 6:30 - Examples of research happening now 8:30 - Jim explains complexities in the evolution of scientific methods 12:00 - Updates on Frannie, Blake 17:30 - Colleen asks Jim why Blake is upset when she gets in the hammock 20:30 - Celebrating Molly B’s life and service 22:00 - Jim shares his first memory of Molly B 26:00 - Colleen reflects on when she’s interacted with Molly B
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Upcoming Virtual Symposium on Responding to Incidents of Mass Victimization
01/11/2021
Upcoming Virtual Symposium on Responding to Incidents of Mass Victimization
This episode spotlights the upcoming training opportunity presented by the Courthouse Dogs Foundation on Responding To Incidents of Mass Victimization. Colleen & Jim welcome back Kim Gramlich & Tamara Martin presenters at this symposium to give you a preview on what to expect, and help identify if this is the right symposium for you to attend. Episode Highlights 1:00 - Personal update on Jim 2:15 - January 20th, 2021 Courthouse Dogs Foundation Virtual Symposium on Responding to Incidents of Mass Victimization 3:30 - Kim Gramlich shares the roles she fills when there is a crisis 6:00 - Tamara Martin from Alabama is also back to share her experience in these events 8:15 - What Jim has observed following these events 10:45 - Creating best practices for response to these events 13:25 - Being prepared and mentally focused as a handler for a Mass Casualty Response 15:45 - Defining the role the dogs play at these events 19:00 - Managing the dogs as a resource to ensure they have down time 22:30 - Asking the right questions to prioritize who needs help 25:00 - Jim shares what to expect when attending the symposium 28:15 - Colleen recognizes how responding has impacted her 30:15 - The flexibility, change of routine, and requests that come with these circumstances 34:00 - What you know vs what may be asked of you 36:00 - The emotional experiences that you will carry with you 37:30 - Preparing for these incidents to limit trauma inside the community 39:30 - A hope that Kim has for the future 42:00 - Keeping in mind the purpose for the dogs 43:30 - Knowing when the time to say “no” is appropriate 46:00 - Being prepared to say “yes” or “no” in advance 47:30 - Kim’s experience with Caber in less than ideal circumstance 49:45 - Willow impacts a man amidst the Route 91 incident 54:00 - Caber was exactly what was needed 57:00 - The dogs know the right way to respond, even when we don’t 58:00 - Jim reminds us the training and problem solving will kick in 1:00:00 - Details on the upcoming symposium
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Puppy Raising With Kathy Zastrow
12/08/2020
Puppy Raising With Kathy Zastrow
We’ve interviewed puppy breeders, trainers, and handlers now it’s time to get the perspective from a puppy raiser. Kathy Zastrow with Canine Companions For Independence joins us to share her unique perspective on raising a puppy before handing it off to the training process. She shares so many surprises and family lessons learned as well as some of her memorable moments. Episode Highlights 1:10 - Meet Kathy Zastrow puppy raiser for & Northwest Region Board Member with Canine Companions for Independence 2:45 - Volunteering for a new puppy with a catch! 4:15 - Kathy’s children learn a valuable lesson 7:00 - Family lessons learned raising puppies 10:30 - The kids continuing the legacy 11:30 - Introducing the program to Aiden the first puppy Kathy raised 15:00 - A trip to the grocery store wins over the principal 17:00 - Jared takes the dog on the school bus 19:30 - 5 types of Canine Companions for Independence service dogs 21:30 - Supporting Veterans with PSTD 24:00 - What the process for becoming a puppy raiser looks like 27:30 - The behaviors and training these puppies have 30:30 - The importance of socialization 32:00 - The funnest place Kathy has socialized a puppy 34:00 - Raising male puppies 37:00 - Placing a dog in the right job based on their personality 39:30 - What the transition from training to working looks like for the dogs 42:45 - Observing the unexpected path the dogs take 45:00 - Watching Monty work as a facility dog 48:15 - A dog goes down an unexpected path 53:00 - Prairie unexpectedly becomes the star of the class 56:30 - Colleen shares on Blake’s headstrong moments 59:30 - Kathy reflects on past placements & future plans Links To References
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The Many Aspects Of Breeding with Marina Phillips
10/20/2020
The Many Aspects Of Breeding with Marina Phillips
While you may have assumptions on how working dogs are bred, there is still plenty to learn. Marina Phillips the Breeding Coop Administrator for Assistance Dogs International North America Regional helps answer many questions on this topic. Jim shares why the terminology is so important when discussing these topics as well. Episode Highlights 2:00 - Meet Marina Phillips a Breeding Coop Administrator for Assistance Dogs International 2:30 - How the programs work together 4:30 - Breeding Cooperative accreditation & member schools 6:00 - Sharing resources in breeding 8:00 - How the breeding cooperative began 11:30 - Marina’s journey to the breeding cooperative 16:30 - The many aspects of breeding 19:00 - Tracking the window of ovulation 20:00 - Development of the colony of 22:30 - The ways genetic testing is leveraged 24:00 - Definitions for naming of dog characteristics 28:00 - Developing systems to screen & develop for training 30:00 - Formalizing terminology to work together for best possible outcomes 32:00 - Micro Behaviors seen to recognize long term outcomes 34:00 - Training handlers to spot the behaviors that benefit the dogs 36:30 - Marina shares how feedback influences what works well 39:30 - Behavior checklists and how facility dogs connect 42:00 - Colleen reflects on the characteristics of Blake Links To References
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Breeding & Caring For The Puppies That Become Working Dogs
10/13/2020
Breeding & Caring For The Puppies That Become Working Dogs
How many loads of laundry does it take to raise a puppy? Who takes care of the pregnant dogs? How are the dogs paired for breeding? Colleen & Jim are joined by Breeder Caretaker Wendy Clock Johnson from Canine Companions for Independence to answer all our puppy breeding and raising questions. They also discuss why this process is so important for successful working dogs. Episode Highlights 1:00 - Meet Wendy Clock Johnson the Breeder Caretaker for Canine Companions For Independence 3:30 - How Wendy becoming a breeder caretaker 5:30 - The process for breeding and and length of service 7:30 - What happens if a breeder caretaker needs help 9:30 - The challenges of socializing dogs right now 12:15 - All the loads of laundry to do! 14:45 - From pregnancy, to whelping boxes 19:30 - Maximum puppy cuteness, Jim shares the science 23:15 - Pairing the dogs for breeding 26:30 - Seeing characteristics passed from parent to puppy 27:45 - Recognizing the skills generationally 30:15 - Wendy shares a few examples she’s seen 31:30 - Why purposeful breeding is useful 34:00 - Mission critical tasks we rely on dogs for 36:30 - History, hit rate, and choosing the environments 39:00 - Milestones the breeder caretaker manages 40:30 - An unexpected conditioning moment 42:45 - When puppies are ready to go to the puppy raiser 44:30 - Delivering the puppies to the raiser & when they return 48:00 - Wendy’s experiences working in these programs 49:00 - The types of working dogs that Canine Companions for Independence raises 52:10 - Identifying the characteristics to put the dog in the right working environment 54:30 - Collen reflects on the observed actions dogs pick up 56:00 - Frannie’s personality that Jim enjoys 58:00 - Blake asks for dessert 59:30 - Sabina & Mara at home with Wendy 1:02:30 - The social media puppy raisers have created 1:04:00 - When public has been surprised by these dogs 1:06:00 - The moments that make this work great 1:10:00 - Where dogs go to when they are not able to be placed as working dogs 1:13:00 - A special community built around raising these dogs 1:14:30 - What happens when Sabina & Mara retire 1:17:00 - Roles of the dogs after they are retired Links To References
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Minimizing Separation Anxiety & What’s Next On The Podcast
10/07/2020
Minimizing Separation Anxiety & What’s Next On The Podcast
Colleen and Jim reflect on what has happened on the podcast so far and share how it’s already benefiting the community. They also share what you can expect on upcoming episodes. Jim also shares his best tips for minimizing separation anxiety when you leave your dog home. Episode Highlights 1:10 - Jim provides a personal update 3:30 - Support from the community during recovery 4:30 - Upcoming topics we’ll be exploring 5:45 - Selecting from the right genetics for the best start 7:20 - The experiences through training the dogs 9:00 - Features you recognize 10:30 - Similarities within breeding 12:30 - Exploring the assistance dog schools 13:30 - Recapping what we’ve discussed so far 15:00 - Colleen shares the 2 things she’s observed so far 17:35 - The impact this podcast has made so far 19:15 - The motivation Jim has experienced 21:00 - Connecting during this time apart 24:00 - November Virtual Race & Walk 26:00 - Separation anxiety for our dogs 31:00 - Keeping in mind your dogs age 32:30 - Puppies may be very confused when this is done
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Advocating & Teaming Up In Alabama (Part 2)
09/20/2020
Advocating & Teaming Up In Alabama (Part 2)
Continuing last week's episode the Alabama network shares a wide range of experiences with the facility dogs they work with. Colleen also learns more about each of the facility dogs similar personality traits. We wrap up this 2 part series talking about the value of these networks in the community. Colleen provides next steps if you want to see a program like this in your community. Tamara Martin (pictured) has facility dog Willow. Tamara works the Office of Prosecution Services in Montgomery, AL. Tamara is Grant Administrator and facility dog handler. Ann Leith (primary handler and full-time handler) and Jana Thomas (secondary handler) have facility dog, Wilson. They work at the National Children's Advocacy Center in Huntsville, AL Patricia Falcon has facility dog Kuzco. she is the ED of the James M. Barrie Center for Children (CAC) in Gadsden, AL Tonya Willingham has facility dog Fitzgerald (Fitz). Tonya is a former prosecutor in the Shelby County, AL District Attorney's office who switched from prosecuting child cases to being a full-time dog handler. Episode Highlights 1:30 - Observing Willow’s personality 2:45 - Tamera is still surprised letting Willow work 4:30 - How he dogs know who to serve & compliment the advocates 5:45 - Nervous moments that make a trial manageable 7:50 - Tamera’s future plans for a successor dog 9:45 - The planning that goes into managing a facility dogs life 13:00 - Ann & Wilson impact a child in therapy with Autism 15:15 - Jana observes Wilson creating comfort for a 10 year old girl 18:15 - The types of therapy that Wilson is included in 19:30 - Outcomes advocates hope for when partnering with facility dogs 22:45 - Ann & Jana describe Wilson’s slow demeanor 25:30 - Facility dogs consistent energy 27:00 - When the dogs are at training & are able to play 28:15 - Tonya shares how Fitz personality is inline with the rest of the facility dogs 29:45 - Fiz comforts two children during a challenging physical exam 32:30 - Colleen sees Blake working even when he’s off duty 33:40 - Staff in the facility see Fitz playing 36:00 - Patricia shares Kuzco’s personality 38:00 - Commands Kuzco is working on 40:30 - Kuzco’s time with the family translates to the office 43:00 - The extended relationships at home with the facility dogs 45:00 - Seeing the excitement as the community is educated 48:15 - Tamera shared the benefits of their unique network in Alabama 50:30 - How the network has impacted other communities
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Advocating & Teaming Up In Alabama (Part 1)
09/14/2020
Advocating & Teaming Up In Alabama (Part 1)
Colleen kicks off this two part episode with 4 members of the Alabama facility dog community. Ann, Jana, Patricia,Tamera and Tonya share how they came together to launch their statewide efforts to benefit the communities they serve. This episode discusses how both the and the were founded, and who they serve. Tamara Martin (pictured) has facility dog Willow. Tamara works the Office of Prosecution Services in Montgomery, AL. Tamara is Grant Administrator and facility dog handler. Ann Leith (primary handler and full-time handler) and Jana Thomas (secondary handler) have facility dog, Wilson. They work at the National Children's Advocacy Center in Huntsville, AL Patricia Falcon has facility dog Kuzco. she is the ED of the James M. Barrie Center for Children (CAC) in Gadsden, AL Tonya Willingham has facility dog Fitzgerald (Fitz). Tonya is a former prosecutor in the Shelby County, AL District Attorney's office who switched from prosecuting child cases to being a full-time dog handler. Episode Highlights 2:05 - Meet Patricia Falcon the Executive Director for the James Berry Center for Children in Gadsden Alabama and handler of Kuzco 5:00 - National Children’s Advocacy Center Ann Leith handler shares Wilson’s role at her facility 7:45 - Jana Thomas Family Advocate explains the team approach to managing Wilson 10:45 - Tonya Willingham transitioned from a District Attorney to handler of facility dog Fitzgerald working out of the Shelby County Courthouse 13:00 - Tamara Martin of the H.E.R.O.’s program - Helping. Empowering. Restoring. Overcoming. 15:10 - Victims Of Crime Act’s role in this program 16:00 - Providing ongoing training for the 10 facility dogs and handlers in the program 18:30 - How Tamera brought the H.E.R.O.’s program grew 20:35 - The resources with in the National Children's Advocacy Center 22:05 - Creating a central location to provide services to support victims 25:30 - Working as a team to support the facility dogs 28:30 - Colleen & Jana reflect on the role of secondary handler 30:00 - Wilson makes a difference for 2 children 32:00 - More facilities in Alabama finding the program 35:45 - Long term impact in the community 38:00 - Teaching children about how the dogs that have helped them live their life. 39:15 - Ensuring the facility dog receives the breaks they need while working 41:00 - Tonya identifies and fills the need for a facility dog in her area 45:45 - Colleen shares what you can expect in part 2 of this episode. Links To References
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Facility Dogs Building Confidence Down Under
08/30/2020
Facility Dogs Building Confidence Down Under
Colleen and Jim learn the unique ways that their peers in Australia have used facility dogs to build confidence throughout the justice system. Jane Kefford Client Services Manager for Assistance Dogs Of Australia and Julie Morrison victim engagement coordinator for the Victoria Office Of Public Prosecutions and handler of Lucy / Suzy join us this week. Episode Highlights 1:00 - Bringing the first accredited facility dog to Australia 4:45 - Coming to the states to learn from the Courthouse Dogs Foundation 6:15 - Jane Kefford breaks down the structure of Assistance Dogs of Australia 7:30 - Pups in prison program 11:00 - Transitioning the facility dogs from the handlers to the recipients 12:45 - Prisoners support of the program after release 14:45 - The confidence that this program brings 16:30 - Opportunities inside these programs for the prisoners and facility dogs 18:30 - A last minute change brings Julie and Lucy Suzy together 21:15 - The first time taking the liesh, Julie, Colleen & Jim recall that moment 25:30 - Settling into the process with the newly placed facility dogs 27:15 - Jim shares Frannie’s first flight 28:30 - Suzy Lucy the chocolate labrador’s personality & work 32:00 - How Australia’s justice system functions 34:45 - Lucy Suzy working in the courtroom 36:15 - Navigating the courtroom 39:00 - Allowing people to see the work. 41:30 - The specialized training Assistance Dogs of Australia 44:00 - How the community contributes to raising the facility dogs 46:00 - The socializing that lets them be ready for any scenario 49:30 - Resetting expectations around how the facility dogs are working vs off the vest 51:00 - Saying hello to manage a room 52:00 - Where the name Suzy Lucy came from 54:45 - Overwhelming need for more facility dogs 58:15 - Examples of Suzy Lucy impacting children in the justice system 1:00:30 - A wristband highlights the help being provided 1:03:00 - Victim impact statements validates the service Suzy Lucy is providing 1:05:00 - Connecting the handlers using this platform 1:06:45 - Finding better solutions for handlers Links To References Assistance Dogs Australia -
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Court Decisions That Support This Work With Ellen O’Neill-Stephens
08/16/2020
Court Decisions That Support This Work With Ellen O’Neill-Stephens
This episode covers detailed and graphic topics related to the sexual abuse cases that facility dogs have been involved with. Ellen O’Neill Stephens provides a deep dive into the groundbreaking case that David Crenshaw and Rosie discussed on our last episode. We also talk about the appellate court process, and other cases that have impacted the use of facility dogs throughout the United States. Episode Highlights 1:30 - This episode covers detailed and graphic topics related to the sexual abuse cases that facility dogs have been involved with. 2:30 - Ellen & Celeste become aware of David Crenshaw’s work 4:45 - Circumstances of the first child David & Rosie worked with 6:30 - Touring the courthouse through the eyes of Rosie 7:30 - The trial process for the victim & guilty verdict 8:40 - National news coverage of Courthouse Dogs 10:45 - What an appellate court decision is and how it impacts facility dogs 15:40 - New York courts appellate decision in David & Rosie’s case 17:00 - Recognizing that a dog being present is not prejudicial if a child talking about sexual assault is not disturbing 19:05 - This victims case sets precedent for many cases 20:10 - Ellen shares her experience before the Supreme Court 21:45 - Colleen shares how she feels when Arizona cases have included Russel & Blake 23:10 - Jim asks Ellen how David & Rosie’s case impacts other states' cases. 26:45 - Adult accommodations with differing results in Michigan and Georgia 29:00 - The facility dogs can do a lot, the victim testifying has the ability to choose 31:00 - How David continues to support Courthouse Dogs Foundation 32:00 - Colleen and other advocates use this information to do their jobs better 34:00 - How to get involved in bringing a facility dog to your courthouse Links To References
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A Facility Dogs Problem Solving Skills With Dr David Crenshaw
08/09/2020
A Facility Dogs Problem Solving Skills With Dr David Crenshaw
Dr David Crenshaw of the Children’s Home Of Poughkeepsie joins Colleen & Dr Jim for a lively discussion about the various ways his organization uses facility dogs. He shares how their facility dogs have used their problem solving skills to support, comfort, and a good laugh. Also, Jim provides a lot of insight into why problem solving is so important for the dogs chosen to serve. Episode Highlights 1:37 - David shares how Dr Jim’s work has impacted his efforts 2:15 - Meet Dr David Crenshaw of the Children's Home Of Poughkeepsie 4:40 - The specialized programs they offer 5:30 - Nuevas Alas serving immigrant children 6:45 - Safe Harbour program for youth sex trafficking victims 7:45 - Group Emergency Foster Care for siblings 9:00 - Navigating the campus of services 10:00 - David finds Courthouse Dogs Foundation 14:00 - Rosie from ECAD works with 2 children 17:00 - David’s observations of Rosie’s impact 20:15 - Jim reflects on the past 10 years of adoption of facility dog programs 24:20 - The importance of problem solving skills in these dogs 28:10 - The current projects Jim is working on the science of play 30:00 - Rosie is reunited with Dale but continues to show up 31:00 - An example of the work Rosie did in court 34:15 - The transition of facility dogs 37:30 - Gentle soft touch to the dogs provides healing to the children 38:45 - Benefiting from establishing boundaries 41:00 - Teens working with Ace the labrador 44:30 - Our connection to the animals 45:30 - Calming comfort through all areas of life 48:00 - Letter exchange with Ace 50:50 - Elvis the approachable one 51:45 - Marshall working with the Safe Harbour program 53:15 - Facility dogs supporting all of those in this process 54:30 - Intuitive problem solving the dogs inherently have 55:00 - Hilarious problem solving example 58:00 - Knowing where the facility dogs will serve best 1:01:30 - What a bark or howl is telling a handler 1:02:30 - Colleen shares how Russel was impacted by pain of a person 1:04:45 - Rosie goes to college & Jim tells us how dogs sense their stress Links To References This episode is marked explicit due to the nature of some of the topics discussed.
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Positive Reinforcement in Chile with Cecilia Marré
08/03/2020
Positive Reinforcement in Chile with Cecilia Marré
With ever changing environments at dispersed facilities Chile’s facility dogs face a unique set of challenges. Cecilia Marré Director of in Santiago, Chile’s programs join Jim & Colleen in this week's episode to highlight the way they’ve adapted the program to fit their community. Using a facility dogs natural instincts & positive reinforcement training she discusses the way they’ve made adjustments to their program to accommodate those they serve. Episode Highlights 1:11 - Meet Cecilia Marré director of Boclan Confair in Santiago, Chile 2:15 - Cecilia invites Courthouse Dogs Foundation to Chile 3:45 - Chile’s dispersed criminal justice system 6:00 - Adopting forensic interviews 7:40 - The environments facility dogs & handlers navigate in Chile 11:05 - Jim explains what traits are sought after in these working dogs 14:15 - Paseta the labrador the first facility dog in Chile 18:45 - Trusting the facility dog to guide interactions 21:30 - Using facility and support dogs through the criminal justice process 24:00 - Sitting on the sidelines as a handler while court is taking place 25:30 - When the facility dogs are brought in for bonding sessions 31:00 - The combination of animal assisted intervention & support 35:15 - How Courthouse Dogs Foundation helped Cecilia integrate the program 37:45 - The importance of the facility dog’s support team 40:30 - Inhibition in the dogs 42:15 - Being able to laugh at the fun moments as well 45:00 - Professional training is creating success in the programs 46:00 - Building a relationship with the facility dog during training 50:00 - Using independence helps build trust & community 53:20 - The problem solving that comes with a facility dog 56:00 - Handlers role as a guide vs controlling the situations 1:02:30 - The process of breeding and raising facility dogs in Chile 1:05:00 - Programs offered by Boclan Confair 1:08:00 - How the dogs interact with each other when they are at home 1:13:00 - Exposing the handlers to other animals Links To References
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Retiring A Facility Dog with Kim Gramlich
07/26/2020
Retiring A Facility Dog with Kim Gramlich
Have you wondered what happens when a facility dog retires? Kim Gramlich of the Delta Police Victim Services in Delta British Columbia joins us to discuss the retirement of facility dog Caber. She also shares what it’s like bringing a new facility dog into the mix. As the first handler in Canada Kim is a wealth of knowledge on best practices getting started and managing a successful facility dog program. Episode Highlights 0:45 - Meet Kim Gramlich with the Delta Police Services in Delta British Columbia 3:38 - The NOVA conference leads to the discovery of facility dogs 5:30 - Creation of a facility program in Canada 6:30 - Kim meets her facility dog Caber in 2010 8:05 - Signs a facility dog is close to retirement 10:50 - Changes in Caber that Kim observed 12:00 - Jim shares health issues that could impact the facility dog as well 14:30 - Colleen & Jim reflect on changes they’ve noticed as their dogs have aged 16:45 - Finding an internal champion to support the program 18:30 - Winston Sason helps proactively address concerns 21:00 - Educating those that are still not familiar with the facility dogs in court 22:15 - How Canada’s testimonial accommodation supports those testifying during legislation 27:15 - The handlers role during testimonial accommodation 28:00 - Acclimating the dog to different standards internationally 30:30 - Caber & Puma’s personality differences 33:40 - Colleen’s experiences with Russell & Blake 36:15 - Reminding and reinforcing commands with Frannie 39:00 - The ways our learned behavior is managed 40:00 - How COVID is impacting the training facility dogs have 41:50 - Kims experience retiring Caber and introducing Puma to work 47:00 - Colleen & Kim’s emotional connection to their facility dogs 53:15 - Creating the best situation for the dog and handlers 56:00 - Highly trained professionals equipped to navigate the graphic aspects of the criminal justice system 59:10 - Support handlers receive while doing this work 1:01:30 - The resilience of the facility dogs vs your pet at home 1:03:00 - Studying the mental health of both the handlers and facility dogs 1:04:45 - Facility dogs help those within an organization manage daily stress 1:06:30 - How these programs benefit all first responders 1:07:50 - Cabers most impactful moment as a facility dog Links To References
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Managing Life, Schedules & Focus With Sergeant Tia Froh
07/19/2020
Managing Life, Schedules & Focus With Sergeant Tia Froh
Our first international guest from Saskatchewan, Canada. Sergeant Tia Froh and Merlot serve in the Regina Police Service. She shares how she manages her life, and schedules with her facility dog while working as a police officer. Tia also shares with us what it’s like to live in Merlot’s world. Episode Highlights 1:00 - Meet Sgt Tia Froh & Merlot of the Regina Police Service in Saskatchewan Canada 2:30 - Many facility dogs serve throughout the justice process. 3:20 - The “Point of First Contact Principal” 4:30 - Greeting those coming to the facility 5:30 - The facility that Tia and Merlot work in 8:00 - What the Canadian justice and legal system looks like 10:10 - Additional team members in the community 11:00 - How facility dogs get involved in the justice system 14:10 - Building confidence 15:30 - Merlot the Accredited Justice Facility Dog 19:15 - Understanding working vs not working time for the facility dog 22:30 - Jim explains the mental strength facility dogs need to have 25:40 - Facility dogs behavioral changes during down time 31:20 - Managing Merlot’s schedule 35:40 - Supporting officers in critical mission debriefs 37:35 - Canada’s criminal code support person explained 39:300 - Support person roles in cases in Canada and the United States 44:0 - How the facility dogs know who to serve 47:30 - The role of a handler to help prioritize the facility dogs attention 50:45 - Tia’s journey to becoming a handler 56:00 - Adjustments to work and personal life after becoming a handler 1:00:30 - Recognizing the facility dogs help the handlers as well 1:04:45 - Settling into the environment as time goes on 1:06:30 - Covid scheduling changes 1:08:30 - Highlighting Merlot’s work on Social Media 1:10:00 - Educating & building community engagement with police officers Links To References
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Training Both Sides Of The Leash with Carrie-Leigh Cloutier
07/05/2020
Training Both Sides Of The Leash with Carrie-Leigh Cloutier
President of Courthouse Dogs Foundation, Carrie-Leigh Cloutier joins Colleen & Jim this week and shares how their 7 facility dogs have impacted her community. Training plays a big part in managing situations and environments that facility dogs and their handlers work in. This episode provides an insider's guide on how that takes place, and how you can be a part of creating a great environment for all to thrive and benefit from these working dogs in any community. Episode Highlights 1:40 - Meet Carrie-Leigh Cloutier CEO of the Chaves County Courthouse Program in Roswell, New Mexico 3:30 - Zia the CASA dog 4:30 - The transformation of a facility dog when putting their vest on 8:20 - Carrie-Leigh’s role with Courthouse Dogs Foundation 11:00 - The 7 facility dogs in Roswell, New Mexico 14:30 - Chance meeting & quick adoption of the program 16:45 - Emma the labradors impact on the community 19:50 - Labradoodle Moose helps children during family visitations 21:05 - Cognitive therapy games with families and the facility dog 23:30 - Facility dog assists in "goodbye visits" 25:00 - The power of holding the dogs leash 29:30 - Why facility dogs & their handlers are best used during community trauma 34:00 - The added benefits to staff members working in proximity to facility dogs 39:00 - Jim shares the science behind why dogs are sensitive to people's emotions 41:15 - A handlers part in letting the facility dog work 42:00 - Lessons Carrie-Leigh has learned facilitating this program 45:45 - Creating a support system for handlers & facility dogs 51:15 - Establishing stable co-parenting environments 53:45 - Controlling the facility dogs diet 57:00 - Challenges with taking the facility dog into the world 1:00:00 - The presence of a facility dog providing support to children testifying 1:02:00 - What donations to Courthouse Dogs Foundation support Links To References
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The Mission Of Courthouse Dogs Foundation with Celeste Walsen
06/22/2020
The Mission Of Courthouse Dogs Foundation with Celeste Walsen
Executive Director of the Courthouse Dogs Foundation Celeste Walsen shares the impact and ongoing mission of the organization. This episode explores the complexity of raising and selecting facility dogs and why these roles aren’t for just any dog. Celeste also shares the value of this training, and some of the legal aspects of working facility dogs. Episode Highlights 2:34 - Ellen's experience with raising service & guide dogs 4:05 - What’s the process like raising these dogs 5:15 - The transformation of placement 6:50 - Service organizations guidelines 9:00 - How Ellen & Celeste met 11:00 - Advocating for increased use of facility dogs 12:30 - International impact 14:00 - Helping facilities understand purpose bred dogs 16:00 - Why purpose breeding is important for working dogs 17:55 - The science behind selecting a dog that is biddable 21:20 - Why some dogs aren’t suitable 24:15 - Remembering the mission critical role these dogs play 26:00 - Genetics, Socialization, Training - The 3 keys to success 29:00 - Good temperament still may not make a reliable services dogs 31:00 - The value of accredited assistance dogs organizations 34:00 - Continuing the mission of the foundation 36:30 - Legislative support for facility dogs 38:25 - What we do & how you can help 41:50 - Facility dogs, service dogs, therapy dogs...what are the differences 46:30 - Educating people on the work of Facility dogs 48:15 - Jim shares the shifting roles dogs play in our society 50:05 - Training those working in a facility how to interact with the facility dog 52:00 - Navigating a facility as a handler Definitions Biddable - A variety of factors that determine if an animal is trainable Career Change Dogs - The determination that a purpose bred dog would be better suited to serve in a program different than the one originally intended. Therapy Dog / Emotional Support Animal - A pet dog that has some training by its owner and has been registered as a dog & can visit public places. Service Dogs - Defined by federal law as a dog that is specifically trained as a dog to perform tasks to help one individual. Facility Dogs - Expertly trained dog partnered with a human to facilitate a specific outcome for those that the dog serves. Links To References Canine Companions for Independence - Guide Dogs For The Blind - Assistance Dogs International -
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Meet Facility Dog Handler Colleen Phelan
06/14/2020
Meet Facility Dog Handler Colleen Phelan
Colleen shares her winding path from volunteering to a Special Victims Advocate and Facility Dog Handler. She and Jim also dive deep into how the mind-body connection with yourself can positively impact your relationship with your facility dog. Also, Jim shares how he was connected to his “career changer” dog. Episode Highlights 1:00 - Colleen’s path to becoming a Special Victims Advocate 4:30 - Volunteering opens a different path 5:30 - Transforming language to make an impact 8:30 - Creating spaces to have trauma conversations 11:00 - Adverse Childhood Experiences 13:00 - Settling into Arizona 14:00 - Creating a Mind Body Connection 17:30 - The value of yoga & meditation for healing 21:00 - Connecting these concepts into the criminal justice community 22:30 - How dogs are influencing these conversations 24:00 - Moving into full time advocacy & training future advocates 26:00 - Colleen is introduced to Facility Dogs 28:00 - Jim shares how he got his “career changer” dog 32:15 - Creating a partnership with a dog 35:00 - Blake’s impact in Colleen’s world Links To References To learn more about what they are doing to change the criminal justice system, go to
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Meet Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Dr. Jim Ha
06/14/2020
Meet Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Dr. Jim Ha
Dr Jim Ha, co-host of Dogged Justice, has dedicated his life to the study of animal behavior. In this episode, he gives us a glimpse of his career and education. He also shares how he applied his knowledge and research to benefit the communities he serves including the Courthouse Dogs Foundation. Episode Highlights 1:00 - Jim’s father inspires him early 3:00 - Education & early career 5:00 - Field PHD Research. 7:30 - Postdoctoral Research 10:30 - Shifting from cognitive to behavioral studies 15:45 - Helping apply animal behavior in homes 18:30 - How Animal Behavior Associates of Washington came to be 23:30 - What Jim hopes to share on this podcast 24:00 - Resources Jim has created 27:00 - Courthouse Dogs Foundation 31:30 - The special relationship between humans and dogs 36:00 - How science plays a part in understanding the benefits of dogs Links To References Dr Jim's Credentials Millersville University, BA Biology, 1980 Wake Forest University, MA Biology, 1983 Colorado State University, PhD Zoology, 1989 Research Professor, University of Washington, 1992-present Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist, 2004-present Owner, Animal Behavior Associates of Washington education and consulting Owner, DrJimHa.com education and consulting Connect with Jim or learn more about his work on his website at . To learn more about what they are doing to change the criminal justice system, go to
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History Of The Courthouse Dogs Foundation With Ellen O'Neill Stephens (Part 2)
06/14/2020
History Of The Courthouse Dogs Foundation With Ellen O'Neill Stephens (Part 2)
Our interview with Ellen continues as she shares how Jeeter, Ellie, and Molly cleared the path for the facility dogs serving in courthouses today. Colleen and Jim reflect on how they became involved with the organization as well. Ellen concludes by sharing how Courthouse Dogs Foundation promotes and facilitates the use of dogs in the justice system and what you can do to support the mission. Show Notes 0:45 - Jeeter makes an impact with Chelsea 6:20 - Assisting sexual assault victims & prosecutors in criminal court 12:00 - Convincing prosecutors, judges and training organizations 14:45 - Ellen spreads the word in 2004 after the first dog is placed in King County 16:30 - Celeste recruits Ellen to join her alongside the endeavor 17:15 - Courthouse Dogs Foundation is born 18:10 - What the program looks like today 21:15 - Colleen reflects on being introduced to facility dogs 24:00 - Ellie the first dog in King County 25:30 - Jim is convinced after meeting Molly 30:35 - How Courthouse Dogs Foundation support dogs & those they serve 32:30 - Partnering with various organizations & courthouses to meet demand Links To Resources To learn more about what they are doing to change the criminal justice system, go to
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History Of The Courthouse Dogs Foundation With Ellen O'Neill Stephens
06/14/2020
History Of The Courthouse Dogs Foundation With Ellen O'Neill Stephens
Founder of The Courthouse Dogs Foundation Ellen joins Colleen & Jim this week to share the history of the organization. This deeply personal journey into her career and personal life will shed a light on the passion behind this project. They also help define some of the terms you’ll hear in the episodes going forward. Show Notes 1:20 - Ellen’s early career 3:00 - Sean (Ellen's son is born) 5:15 - A growing career as a prosecutor 8:30 - Becoming aware of secondary trauma 10:00 - Ellen adjusts her approach toward people in this process. 13:00 - Sean’s long term needs lead to the discovery of service dogs. 18:30 - Ellen’s first dog training experience 20:21 - Training the people who handle dogs 24:20 - Ellen learns how K-9 Companions utilized dogs in many scenarios 26:30 - Jeeter comes home but a complication arises. 30:00 - What a Facility Dog Is 34:30 - Differences between your dog and a Facility Dog Definitions: Prosecutor - Someone who represents the state and when a law has been broken, they are responsible for holding a person accountable. (Mentioned at 6 minute) Drug Court - Specialized court to manage drug offences. Facility Dog - Expertly trained dog partnered with a human to facilitate a specific outcome for those that the dog serves. Links To Resources: To learn more about what they are doing to change the criminal justice system, go to
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Welcome To Dogged Justice
05/05/2020
Welcome To Dogged Justice
Dogged Justice is an educational podcast focused on sharing the positive impact facility dogs make in the criminal justice system. Hosted by Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist and Facility Dog Handler Colleen Phelan each episode will share a new aspect of the world wide work of the Weekly 30 - 45 minute episodes will bring you insightful interviews from members of the community, to deep dives into cutting edge research, and Jim’s Training Corner. To learn more about what they are doing to change the criminal justice system go to
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