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Short interviews from people who work outside, about a moment of wonder they experienced. Wonder at Work.
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Lisa Schmidt, III
08/01/2026
Lisa Schmidt, III
This week, I’m sharing another moment recounted by Lisa Schmidt. Lisa runs and writes and records , a regular feature in several newspapers in Montana. Busy woman! I’m guessing many of you can relate to this account of how the mountains help us get out of our own way. It's a nice little message in a bottle for us, when it comes to finding calm amidst our chaos. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, Music is by my friend, You can find a donate button on our about page. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Lisa Schmidt, II
08/01/2026
Lisa Schmidt, II
This week, I’m sharing another moment - two moments on the same day, actually - recounted by Lisa Schmidt. Lisa runs and writes and records , a regular feature in several newspapers in Montana. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, Music is by my friend, You can find a donate button on our about page. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Lisa Schmidt, I
08/01/2026
Lisa Schmidt, I
This week, I’m sharing a moment recounted by Lisa Schmidt. Lisa runs and writes and records , a regular feature in several newspapers in Montana. Busy woman! Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, Music is by my friend, You can find a donate button on our about page. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Joe Lanier, II
07/18/2026
Joe Lanier, II
This week, I return to my conversation with Joe Lanier. He told me another hunting story. This one unfolded on the very last day of the season on the last week of November. He was with his daughter, who had the hunting licence, and his wife. It was cold, in the evening and fading light. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Joe Lanier, I
07/18/2026
Joe Lanier, I
This week, I interviewed Joe Lanier. Joe is a nearby farmer and rancher who I interviewed for a Washington Post piece I wrote . For Awe, Nice! Joe shared two great stories recounted from time spent hunting in the fall. Hard to believe hunting season starts up in just over a month. For bow hunters, the first week of September. That’s during the elk rut. Joe’s found that the best hunting at this time of year is during the early morning, when elk start moving back to where they would bed down during the day. Joe told me that when he guides bow hunters, he wants them taking shots at 50 yards or closer. The New York City visitor got that and then some. Bull elk can weigh upwards of a thousand pounds and this one, Joe said, was basically screaming in his client’s face. He could smell his breath. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Mini-Awe-Polis 9
07/18/2026
Mini-Awe-Polis 9
My name is Maddy Butcher and this is another segment of mini-awe-polis. Reflections from thoughts gathered, like hay in my jacket pockets. This week, the . So you might deduce that I’ve been thinking a lot about drought lately. If you’re listening to this on KSJD or other Rocky Mountain radio stations, as many of you do, I bet you have been thinking a lot about it, too. Mostly, I’ve been thinking about what I can do to make things better for the plants and animals. Mostly, I’ve been thinking about how to reduce their stress. I don’t have a well and I haul water, so that’s challenging, but I’m watering as much as I can afford, that means water for dogs, horses, a few fruit trees, and some trees around the place that I hope will not perish because of no rain. I’m leaving water out for critters, birds and mammals, so they don’t have to venture far to find it. I leave a way for them to climb out, if they fall in. I’ve seen more rattlesnakes and prairie dogs this summer . As I write in the Post: It’s a good year for rattlesnakes, prairie dogs, and weeds. I’m not sure which is more stressful, the drought or the nearby Ferris Fire, which as I record this is 63,000 acres and growing. It started about 10 miles from my place. The smoke has been pretty brutal. Again, I find myself thinking of the animals, killed and displaced. I know fire can bring incredible renewal. But at this stage, it’s hard. Awe, Nice! is dedicated to moments told by folks who work outside, but since summer tends to be the most popular outdoor season and since many of you are spending hours gardening or working on outdoor projects, I’d like to open up Awe Nice to those of you who, while you technically may not earn your livelihood outdoors, you’re still soaking up the outdoors while you can. . Oh, and AweNice also welcomes your support. You can find a donate button on our about page. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl,. Find more of his terrific music from a link at Awenice.com Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Alex Marienthal, I
05/29/2026
Alex Marienthal, I
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. And you can check us out at awenice.com. This week, I talked with Alex Marienthal from Montana. After high school, Alex left Boulder, Colorado, for Montana State University where he studied snow science as an undergraduate and then as a graduate student. Before becoming an avalanche forecaster, he worked for the ski patrol at the Bridger Bowl outside of Bozeman. Part of the job was mitigating avalanche risk which often involved setting off explosives, to get the snow headed downhill preemptively. To further set the scene, Bridger Bowl has some spots that are strictly for advanced skiers and it requires those skiers to have avalanche beacons on them if they’re going to access those spaces. As a ski patroller, Alex always skied with a beacon, a shovel, and a probe pole. Every year, Alex told me, at least one person he knows - a backcountry guide, a ski patroller or someone in his professional community - is killed in an avalanche. According to the Colorado Avalanche Information Center, an average of 27 people die in avalanches each winter in the U.S. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . We also welcome your support. You can find a donate button on our . Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Alex Marienthal, II
05/29/2026
Alex Marienthal, II
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. And you can check us out at . In this segment, we return to visit with Alex Marienthal, who works in Montana as an avalanche forecaster. Here, Alex shares a near-miss moment. It happened during an intense and extended winter storm which brought more than six feet of heavy, wet snow to the region. It all landed on top of the winter’s already developed snowpack. He picks up the account around Cooke City, which is near Yellowstone National Park. With all the predictability in life these days, I can appreciate how unpredictability lends itself to keen interest and professional fascination. Alex told me that avalanche forecasting lands at what can be a tense intersection of recreationalists, businesses, and, yes, Mother Nature. Sometimes the forecast is dire but nothing happens. Sometimes, as he recounted, the natural phenomenon can be devastating. Last February, despite an avalanche warning ranking of “high”, a big group of backcountry skiers near Lake Tahoe, California, headed into the mountains. The weather got worse and ultimately, nine died in an avalanche that was by all accounts considerably smaller than the one Alex described. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . We welcome your support. You can find a donate button on our . Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Kyler Brown
05/29/2026
Kyler Brown
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. And you can check us out . This week, I interviewed Kyler Brown. Apart from the stink, or, maybe because of the stink, that was a fantastic encounter! I asked Kyler how he first learned to ride. He said his rabbi, back in Missouri, first taught him. Who would have thought? Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us Awe, Nice! also welcomes your support. You can find a donate button on our . We thank and for their sponsorships. Music is by my friend, Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Mini-Awe-Polis 7
05/29/2026
Mini-Awe-Polis 7
Welcome to Awe, Nice!, where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. And you can check us out . My name is Maddy Butcher, I’m the creator and producer of Awe, Nice! and we are entering our second season of this novel radio segment. Lined up, I have interviews with ranchers, an avalanche researcher, a farmer, a working cowboy, and our first Awe, Nice! moment from Canada. I figure it’s time for another segment of Mini-Awe-Polis, a departure from our usual interviews, a snippet of small observations, like hay in my jacket pockets. My horses, dogs, and I did something new and spent several months in Arizona this winter and spring. When we returned to Colorado, there was a multi-species exhale of sorts. Where we were in Arizona was rocky and with hardly any grass, so the horses were happy to return to the soft red dirt and green grass. They have been moving more and also lying down more often, with audible pleasure. The dogs, too, seem happier, freer. It was getting hot down there and the cold nights here have given us all a snap-to spirit. For the horses and dogs, that means more friskiness, more appetite, more soaking up the sun with moments of relaxation whereas in Arizona they’d be seeking shade. There is something to be said for familiarity with one’s surroundings. Arizona was unfamiliar to us and I feel like we all carried a bit of a brace as we experienced the time there. Next time, it will likely feel different. So, when we returned to Colorado, our familiarity added to the pleasing aspect of green grass and open skies. The drought has been on my mind and I’m grateful that the pasture could rest until we showed up. It’s a precarious time to be on working lands. Many ranchers are selling stock to reduce the pressure on their fields. Personally, I’ll be cordoning off sections of pasture, to keep the horses from overgrazing it. For the moment, the wind blows beautifully over healthy grasses and the birds busy the skies with territorial calls and with food in their beaks to feed their young. I anticipate rougher going as summer heats up. May the monsoon season be fruitful. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . at awenice.com. Awe, Nice! also welcomes your support. You can find a donate button on our . We thank and for their sponsorships. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Allana Salmon
04/15/2026
Allana Salmon
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. And you can check us out This week I visited with Allana Salmon from Ohio. Allana teaches horsemanship and rock climbing, but it was on a trek with friends toward a climb called Listerine Girl, in the Red River Gorge, when she experienced what she wanted to share here. Allana told me that before three years ago, she was her own worst enemy. No one disliked her more than herself, she said. Since then, she’s done a lot of work, including therapy, and has made significant progress in cultivating more peace and balance to her days. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. We thank knives and salt for their generous sponsorship. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link to Forrest as well as an Awe Nice donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Joe Morris, III
04/08/2026
Joe Morris, III
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. This week we wrap up our short visit with rancher from California. Joe thinks deeply about his work, literally and figuratively. While many of us are looking at what’s in front of us, Joe has learned to see beyond. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. We thank knives and salt for their generous sponsorship. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link to Forrest as well as an Awe Nice donate button on our about page Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Cooper Hibbard
03/21/2026
Cooper Hibbard
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. This week, I visited with Cooper Hibbard from Montana. Cooper runs the which is part of the in Helena, Montana. The Co-op, with has beef, lamb, and other offerings from five central Montana ranches, is committed to transforming the status quo of beef production to a more regenerative, giving-back model. They’re doing some really cool stuff and I encourage you to check them out. Cooper traveled far and wide - to South American and Australia, to name a few places - before coming back to take the reins of his family's ranching operation. He told me that he’s often had a feeling, when he’s fixing fence or gathering cows or hunting, where the hair stands up on the back of his neck and it seems like the air is charged, and he just knows he’s being watched. Then he might come upon a cache, where a lion has stashed a deer to come back later and feed on it. What he feels then is not fear but reverence. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, . We thank and for their generous sponsorships. Music is by . Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Joe Morris, II
03/12/2026
Joe Morris, II
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. And you can check us out at awenice.com. This week we have another visit with Joe Morris from California. Joe runs and is an award-winning of environmental stewardship and regenerative ag. This second moment involves the cattle. The connections we have – with other animals and with the land – become more and more apparent when we can pause and pay attention. The connections are full of energy and communication. There is often an undercurrent of that theme with these segments and I’m grateful to Joe for highlighting it. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. We thank knives and salt for their generous sponsorship. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link to Forrest as well as an Awe Nice donate button on Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Carol Von Michaelis, II
03/12/2026
Carol Von Michaelis, II
Welcome to !, where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. This week, I visited again with Carol Von Michaelis from Arvada, Colorado. Carol runs which seeks to bridge the gap between agriculture, the outdoors, and urban residents. Lots of people visit and when they do, they are likely greeted by Pepsi, a mini donkey that came into Carol’s life when the two were paired for a burro race. What’s a burro race? Glad you asked! Pack burro racing is the Colorado’s official summer heritage sport. Runners and donkeys pair up for races of varying lengths. All donkeys must be loaded with a pack, which includes mining gear. The race Carol and Pepsi ran was about 15 miles and started in Fairplay, elevation about 10,000 feet. It was a bit of a blind date as sometimes goes with people who have donkeys but don’t run and runners who are donkeyless. I was so glad to hear that Pepsi ultimately landed at the Community Farm. Carol told me that Pepsi also serves as a mascot for the Colorado School of Mines, where he specializes in meeting fans and having photo opportunities. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, . We thank and for their generous sponsorship. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link to Forrest as well as an Awe, Nice! donate button . Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Joe Morris, I
03/06/2026
Joe Morris, I
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. This week I interviewed from California. Joe is a horseman raised in the vaquero tradition and part of an accomplished, multi-generational line of ranching in his family. He learned holistic management practices from , who many say pioneered the field. Joe told me he sees the animals and the land as one community, a whole. We have three short moments from Joe. The first involves a young horse he started years ago when he was working on a large ranch in Nevada. Joe picks up the story at the banks of the Owyhee River during spring runoff. The current was fast, deep, and chocolate-colored. Boy, so many elements of this scenario that could have been stressful for horse and rider. There’s the current and the depth of the Owyhee. There’s the fact that Joe is lifting his legs way up. And there’s having Sissy on his back. But Joe worked very hard to develop a partnership, a relationship with his new horse. I trust you. You trust me. We go forward together. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. We thank knives and salt for their generous sponsorship. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link to Forrest as well as an Awe Nice donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Erin Nissen
03/03/2026
Erin Nissen
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. And you can check us out at awenice.com. This week I interviewed Erin Nissen from Mosca, Colorado. Erin farms in the San Luis Valley which is known many things, but in our case, potatoes. Idaho may lead the nation in production, but the Valley still contributes mightily – some two billion pounds of potatoes a year. Just a bit of vocabulary: the words “bin” and “plenum” refer to a specialized building where potatoes are stored. Thanks to careful control of humidity, airflow, and temperature, the Nissens can store millions of pounds of potatoes from October to May. Also, a hundred weight is a sack of a hundred pounds of potatoes. So, a hundred thousand hundred weight is 10 million pounds. Erin has heard from an old timer in the valley, who told her that in the fifties, when he was a kid, his elementary school class shrunk from 20 to six kids as people left due to the droughts. We'll have images of mano and metate and the image of the storm and the mountains . By dedicating more acreage to cover crops and soil building, the Nissens have been able to increase potato yields. At first glance, this may be counterintuitive. I mean, if you have x number of acres, you should plant them all with potatoes, right? Not so. It’s important to vary and to give the ground what it needs. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. We thank knives and salt for their generous sponsorship. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link to Forrest as well as an Awe Nice donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Carol Von Michaelis
02/27/2026
Carol Von Michaelis
Welcome to , where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. We’re on the radio and we’re also on podcast platforms. And you can check us out at awenice.com. That’s a-w-e-n-i-c-e This week, I visited with Carol Von Michaelis mc haylis from Arvada. Carol grew up around Golden and it was there as a high school student that she volunteered for the local ambulance. That work evolved into EMT work she served for some time on wildland fires for the forest service. Over time, she got her nursing degree, then her physician’s assistant degree, and, for good measure, a PhD in community health promotion. She rides horses, is an avid trail runner, and has founded , a small non-profit farm in Arvada. We have two Awe, Nice! segments from Carol. This first one involves her introduction to farming on Colorado’s eastern plains. Do you, like me, kind of consider the eastern plains as vast but vacant spaces? Think again. The wildlife diversity on the eastern plains was remarkable, Carol told me. She’s never seen so many birds of prey, hawks, owls, falcons. Also badgers. She said wildlife around Denver gets so observed, by so many people, it can feel like a zoo. Not so, out on the plains. Carol didn’t quite recall the number of bread loaves she helped harvest while working the combine, but it was a lot. Maybe millions? Thank a farmer, y’all. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. We thank Kershaw knives and Redmond salt for their generous sponsorship. Music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link to Forrest as well as an Awe Nice donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Robert Eversole
02/24/2026
Robert Eversole
Welcome to where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. My name is Maddy Butcher and this week we are giving another nod to the 2026 Lunar New Year, the Year of the Horse. I interviewed Robert Eversole, also known as the for his expansive horse camping and trail riding website and for his many clinics he holds on traveling safely with equines. Robert and his two mules live in Washington and here he describes an outing in the Pasayten Wilderness, in Washington, near the Canadian border. Elevation about 7,000 feet. After recording, Robert and I talked about all the little details of knowledge that one needs to have to pack and camp well with horses. I think for outfitters who have been riding, packing, and camping for decades, the work has become intuitive. For the rest of us, I think we work through stages of competency. Have you heard of that? You start with unconscious incompetence (also known as “you don’t know what you don’t know”), work to conscious incompetence, then to conscious competence and finally, unconscious competence. It’s a journey alright. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button We’d like to thank Redmond Salt and Kershaw knives for their generous sponsorship. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Jeremie Forman, III
02/18/2026
Jeremie Forman, III
Welcome to where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. My name is Maddy Butcher and this week we are giving a nod to the 2026 Lunar New Year. It’s the Year of the Horse. Jeremie Forman returns with a story that’s fitting to the celebration. Aside from his work in law enforcement and his running a horse facility, Jeremie is mayor of the small town of Francis, Utah. Population about 2,000. Every year for many years, Jeremie has run the town’s summer rodeo. One year, as he recounts, he wanted to do something special as a presentation to open the rodeo. For his idea, he needed a lot of horses and riders. So, he put the word out on Facebook. But, Jeremie told me, he had to be a bit secretive about his plan. Their rodeo is the last one of the summer in the region. It follows the Summit County rodeo. There’s a Fourth of July rodeo and a Pioneer Days rodeo. He’s found that if he has a good idea and shares it openly, other rodeo planners have copied it and done it before the rodeo in Francis. So, on the QT, Jeremie recruited dozens of volunteers to be part of this production. He borrowed scores of American flags from a local church and made sure everyone could be safe with carrying a flag and riding their horse. His son, Jayce, who stands about 6’6’’, rode a big Percheron gelding and carried an extra large flag. I know there may be listeners for whom patriotism is a challenging idea at a moment when our country is so fractured, but I hope you all listen with an open heart. I was thrilled to hear Jeremie mention Joel Nelson’s poem Equus Caballus, which Wylie Gustufson crafted into the song of the same title. Joel is a horseman from Alpine, Texas, a Vietnam vet, and in 2009 received a National Heritage Fellowship from the National Endowment for the Arts. He was also nominated for a Grammy in the spoken word category some years ago. The line Jeremie mentions is this: I have suffered gross indignities from users and from winners, I have felt the hand of kindness from the losers and the sinners. I have given for the cruel hand and given for the kind. Heaved a sigh at Appomattox when surrender had been signed. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button We’d like to thank and for their generous sponsorship. Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Jeremie Forman, II
02/05/2026
Jeremie Forman, II
Welcome to where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. My name is Maddy Butcher and we are fast approaching our first year anniversary of being on the air. I want to thank KSJD for taking a chance with me as well as and for extending some help with sponsorship. This week, we return to a recollection with Jeremie Forman of Utah. Aside from his work as a police officer. He and his son run a stable facility and an fledgling outfitting operation. Last week, he told us about a wicked lightning storm in the Uintas. This week, he recounts what followed. Just a bit of help on vernacular, if listeners need it: A pack string is several animals, in this case, horses and mules, that a rider leads. Usually all the equines that aren’t being ridden have big, heavy loads on them. High lining is one way that horses are tied in the back country. It involves running a tight, high line (highter than the horses) and then tying individual horses to that line with another section of rope. A bell mare is like the leader of the pack. She may not be the strongest or biggest, but she is the one who other equines respect and are most bonded with. We pick up after Jeremie, his friends, family and his stock have all weathered a high mountain storm near Red Castle, elevation about 12,000 feet. One of the joys of interviewing people about moments of awe is to hear them reflect on not just that particular experience, but the bigger picture. Zooming out. Jeremie told me for him, backcountry time is just normal. And there are lots of guys, he remarked, who are out there more than he is. But he also knows that lots of people never get to have those kinds of experiences and for some that do, it can be life-changing. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Jeremie Forman, I
01/30/2026
Jeremie Forman, I
Welcome to where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. This is our 40th segment since this little project started last year. This week, I talked with of Francis, Utah. Francis, population around 1,800, is 50 miles east of Salt Lake City and sits near the foot of the Uinta Mountains. The Uintas are unusual because they run east-west while most mountain ranges in the US run north-south. In fact, the Uintas are the highest east-west range in the lower 48, with peaks between 11,000 and 13,000 feet. Jeremie is a busy guy who’s managed to combine and juggle police work with horse work. We couldn’t talk last week because he and his Summit County Mounted unit were patrolling the streets of nearby Park City, while the Sundance Film Festival played out. This segment is the first of two parts as he recounts time spent mountain goat hunting in early fall, near Red Castle, a stunning mountain and lake at about 12,000 feet elevation. In our next segment, Jeremie will recall what unfolded next during that trip, so I hope you tune in. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Mini-Awe-Polis 6
01/30/2026
Mini-Awe-Polis 6
Welcome to !, where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. My name is Maddy Butcher, I’m the creator and producer of awenice and it’s time for another segment that I call, Mini-Awe-Polis, a collection of observations, like hay in my jacket pockets. If you’ve been listening to lately, you know that we have dedicated several segments to wildland fire fighting, specifically some moments as told by members of Interagency Hot Shot crews, who are elite wildland fire fighters charged with some of the most risky assignments. I think it would be a safe summation to say that their moments of awe were particularly adrenalin-fueled. It got me thinking about what awe means. What does it mean for me? What does it mean for my interviewees? What does it mean for you, dear listener? Roughly, awe for me means a moment in time that’s memorable for what I’m seeing and experiencing with all my senses. Often, but not all the time, moments of awe are around something unexpected, something I have never witnessed before. Or, it could something that starts out as totally expected but then takes a brilliant turn which stops me in my tracks. I have moments of awe that are not adrenalin-y at all. Like seeing Niagara Falls. I have other moments that are quite adrenalin-y. Like seeing my kids run hellbent towards the Niagara River above the falls. This might sound absurd, but when you visit the Falls, you can park in a big parking lot and basically walk right up to the river’s edge. Nothing’s stopping you from walking right in. My memory of seeing the falls will be forever tied to screaming bloody murder as my sons, then four, six, and eight, chased gulls and sprinted towards the current that would horrendously carry them away. It's true, as research tells us, that high emotions can cement, conflate, and even embellish memories that might otherwise fade away. Just so you know, there is no embellishment here. My rotten kids really did run for the river. And Niagara Falls is impressive. It’s loud and you can feel the mist of it on your face from a long ways away. Anyway, I’ve been spending some time in southern Arizona. At night, I take the dogs for a walk and do last call the horses. Sometimes I use a headlamp and when I do, I’ve been catching these little flecks of reflection in the dirt. At first, I thought they were just shiny parts of sand or rock. But they are not. They are the eyes of certain spiders that build burrows and scoot back in them when approached. Pretty cool. Everything here is prickly, spiny, thorny, and pokey. The dogs and horses have figured it out pretty quickly. Me, less so. Often, plants will have the obvious spines but then also less obvious, frankly impossible-to-see spines that might feel okay at first, when you make the mistake of coming into contact with them, but 10 minutes later you’re mumbling and grumbling, shaking your hand and tenderly googling how best to extract prickers you can’t even see. I’m still amazed by how the birds perch and feed on cactus. I don’t live near where there are saguaros. It’s too cold. But I like seeing them. Did you know that it takes about 15 years for a saguaro cactus to grow 12 inches? And it takes another 60 or more years for it to grow an arm. Saguaros serve as some pretty cool homes for birds, who have, of course, figured out the prickers. welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. By the way, Kershaw knives, makers of some of the best pocket knives out there, has stepped up to sponsor Awe, Nice. Check out the Ken Onion line. They’re excellent. Awe, Nice! also welcomes your support. . Music is by my friend, Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Steve Nicholson, II
12/11/2025
Steve Nicholson, II
Welcome to where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. This week, I’m airing another moment recounted by Steve Nicholson, a division supervisor on the Stoner Mesa fire, here in southwestern Colorado. Steve was able to get away from fire work for a while and was spending time back home in Montana. It was a hot fall, with temperatures approaching 90, and the woods, he said, were really loud because everything was dry and crackly as you moved through. Steve was archery hunting and it made things challenging. Often it’s difficult to squeeze Awe, Nice recollections into segments that are under 10 minutes. It’s like stuffing a sleeping bag into a stuff sack. So much good stuff. In this case, what I had to edit, was that Steve spent many more days hunting to no avail. He told me he often hikes 10 to 12 miles over a day, with vertical climbs as much as 2,000 feet. That’s some serious dedication and enthusiasm, and as many hunters have told me, it’s not all about what you end up putting in the freezer. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Jamie Carpenter
12/11/2025
Jamie Carpenter
Welcome to where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. This week, we have another interview with a wildland fire fighter. I met Jamie Carpenter on the Stoner Mesa fire this summer. Jamie was on the Cal-Wood fire five years ago, during another history-making fire season, this time complicated by the pandemic. Ten million acres burned across the western US. Thousands of homes were lost and dozens of people died. The Cal-Wood fire was towards the end of a vveerry long season. It was relatively small, eventually contained at about 10,000 acres, but it was right in Boulder County. So, that’s pretty scary. Also, it was going on when two of the biggest fires in Colorado history were raging. The Cameron Peak fire and the East Troublesome fire, both burned about 200,000 acres. That’s over 600 square miles. Jamie told me that typical days start with a 5:30 wake up, with breakfast and then meetings where they review the day’s game plan, in which weather, fire behavior, and safety aspects are discussed. For planning, they use the PACE acronym which stands Primary, Alternate, Contingency, and Emergency. You’ll hear it reference in Jamie’s account. As I witnessed at the Stoner fire, sometimes the terrain is just too gnarly to directly engage the fire. So, as you’ll hear, Jamie and the crew were conducting a firing, burning a limited number of acres in order to create a perimeter, to contain the approaching blaze. I asked Jamie how he got into wildland fire fighting and he said initially it was a good way to work outside and then have time off in the winter to ski. But then he added some thoughts. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Doug Falconi, Part II
12/02/2025
Doug Falconi, Part II
Welcome to Awe, Nice! where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. This week, we return to a moment recalled by Doug Falconi. It’s part of a bigger focus on recollections from wildland fire fighters. In the first segment, Doug describes a moment as part of the Bitterroot Hotshot crew, on the Ash Creek Fire in 2012. On the day they arrived, it literally blew up. Each day, he said, it burned 40,000 acres. Temps were in the 90’s. Winds gusted over 30 miles per hour and the relative humidity was low. When we pick up here, the fire is converging, burning up three draw to a saddle where several dozen men are, with vehicles – trucks, engines, and, luckily, a bulldozer. But first, here’s Doug, talking about what it means to him to be a wildland fire fighter and what he’s observed from his peers. Ultimately, the Ash Creek fire killed hundreds of cattle and destroyed many homes along with vital timber and grazing acreage. The next year, in 2013, 19 hotshots died after having deployed fire shelters in the Yarnell Hill Fire in Arizona. Doug told me that for many career wildland fire fighters, this was the most extreme, intense fire behavior they had ever experienced. It caused them to reevaluate their strategies. That was something we saw on Stoner, when it was simply too dangerous to directly engage the fire. People would have died, Doug said. Riding up there for days and months, I could understand: the country climbs from 8500 to 11000 feet over just a few miles and it is thick with trees, not just living trees, but lots of dead and down. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button . Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Steve Nicholson, I
12/02/2025
Steve Nicholson, I
Welcome to where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. I’ve been turning my attention to wildland firefighters, several of whom I met this summer on the Stoner Mesa fire, which burned over 10,000 acres north of Dolores. I work as a hand up there on a grazing allotment. One of the people I met was Steve Nicholson. Here, Steve shares an anecdote from the 2012 fire season, which as listeners may know, was the 3rd worst in US history. Though he wasn’t positive, he thinks it unfolded on the Wenachtee Complex, multiple fires which burned 56,000 acres in central Washington in September of that year. He was a senior member of a hotshot crew charged, on that day, with cold trailing. Cold trailing is following the black of the edge of the fire, identifying hot areas, literally laying hands on the ground for hot spots, and making sure the cold edge is solid and cannot rekindle. This involves cutting down trees, clearing brush, and lots of digging. The terrain was precipitous and rugged. For those unfamiliar with the terminology, a chute is a steep, narrow gully, often between two rocky walls. Steve is now a division supervisor. He told me it’s not uncommon to have close calls on hotshot crews, so after the incident, there weren’t any real deep conversations. But, he said, it’s not like someone would have walked away with a dislocated shoulder when the rock came down. It would have been a big deal. Next week, Steve shares an elk-hunting moment, so make sure to tune in. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Doug Falconi, Part I
12/01/2025
Doug Falconi, Part I
Welcome to where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. Sometimes I think I should call this show, Oh, No! For many, the moments they recall have excitement and wonder, but also scary predicaments. Over the next few weeks, I’m turning attention to wildland firefighters. This is partly because they deserve attention and partly because I met several this summer on the Stoner Mesa fire, which burned over 10,000 acres north of Dolores. I work cows on one of the Forest Service allotments that was right on Stoner Mesa. For weeks, my boss and I were pretty busy tending to the cows and trying to stay clear of the firefighters. This week, I interviewed Doug Falconi, who was a division supervisor trainee on the Stoner fire. He recalls the eastern Montana Ash Creek Fire of 2012. 2012 was an incredibly intense year for wildfires, the third worst in US history. 67,774 wildfires burned over nine million acres. In Montana alone, 1.2 million acres burned. The Ash Creek fire was the sixth largest, burning 250,000 acres. Doug arrived as part of the only hot shot crew on the fire, when it was just 5,000 acres. As you might imagine, fire fighting resources were being spread thin that summer. Just a mention of wildland fire vernacular – ‘overhead’ is the bosses above the crews. This is the first Awe, Nice! moment that we’re splitting into two segments. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us . Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Nina Hance, II
11/14/2025
Nina Hance, II
Welcome to Awe Nice, where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. This week, we return to a conversation with Nina Hance, the backcountry guide from Montana. Nina and her husband have had several encounters with grizzlies. Once they were mountain biking and were bluff-charged. She estimates the sow, who had cubs with her, was 500 pounds or so. While the incident was short, it had a lasting impact on her psyche, including regular nightmares. Another time, she and Alex were hunting and were chased off while field dressing a deer. Because of these events and others, she tends to flinch when she sees big dark objects, what might be a bear, but what might also be a stump or a rock. She’s become hyper vigilant and often avoids being in the backcountry at dawn and dusk, especially in the fall when bears go through hyperphagia, seemingly ravenous, in preparation for their winter hibernation. You’d think that at 10,000 feet, in a bit of a spring blizzard, grizzly bears would be the least of your concerns. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button on our Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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Nina Hance, I
11/14/2025
Nina Hance, I
Welcome to Awe Nice, where we highlight moments of wonder while working outdoors. This week, I talked with Nina Hance. Nina is a backcountry guide certified by the American Mountain Guides Association. In the winter, she works for Beartooth Powder Guides as a lead guide. Nina shared two events. Her first moment was during a guiding trip outside of Cook City. Cook City (population about 70) is near the entrance to Yellowstone National Park and not far from the Wyoming border. She takes us to Woody Creek Cabin, a 20 x 24 foot, single room cabin which served as the group’s base camp. Awe, Nice! welcomes interviewees. If you have a moment you experienced while working outside and would like to share it, contact us at awenice.com. Our music is by my friend, Forrest Van Tuyl. You can find a link and a donate button on our Keep your eyes, ears, and mind open. Until next time.
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