Generation Cult
An interview show about people who grew up in cults and how they adjusted to mainstream society after they left.
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Leaving Christian Science Pod with Hilary
09/29/2024
Leaving Christian Science Pod with Hilary
Most people have heard of Christian Science and passed by the reading rooms, but how much do you know about it? Hilary grew up as a radical reliant Christian Scientist, which meant her family avoided medical intervention in favor of prayer to try to cure ailments. She lived to talk about it, but others weren't so lucky. As an adult, Hilary became an atheist and started the on . Join us to talk about the history of this group, which is primarily made up of families who have stayed connected to it since its early days. We'll also discuss the medical neglect of children and how much pressure church members have experienced in the past to avoid doctors. While this appears to be changing, elderly members still tied to the belief system continue to suffer as they age and fall ill. ***This episode contains descriptions of medical neglect and death. Listen with care. Music by Lee Dunn, opening/closing song by Editing by Dhyana Levey Watch Hilary's show!
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Sharing the Knowledge with Susan
09/03/2024
Sharing the Knowledge with Susan
When Susan was 13, her stepdad brought her into what was then known as the Divine Light Mission, an organization led by Prem Rawat (aka Guru Maharaj Ji, aka The Boy Guru, aka Lord of the Universe, aka The Perfect Master. ... etc.) She became a believer and eventually moved into one of the ashrams while she was still a teen. By that time, Susan was grappling with a disturbing incident she and another young girl had experienced. And they weren't the only ones who had problems with a certain mahatma. Susan tried to tell the guru. She tried so hard. But there was no accountability. When the internet became a thing, she put her story online. Not a whole lot happened. But other people started putting up their stories about the group, too. One of them was Don, a former high-ranking official of the group, which had changed its name to Elan Vital (it's since changed its name many times). He also has a few things to say on this episode. Join us for Susan's story (and some of Don's). ***This episode contains descriptions of child sexual abuse. Listen with care. Music by Lee Dunn, opening/closing song by Editing by Dhyana Levey More information: 1974 documentary:
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3HO Reparations with Philip and Stacie
06/22/2024
3HO Reparations with Philip and Stacie
and wrote about a recent reparations program meant to address complaints made for decades against 3HO (Happy, Healthy, Holy Organization), led by the late Yogi Bhajan, who started Kundalini Yoga. Join us for a discussion with these two writers about the second generation of 3HO. The children of those who joined the organization felt like they were screaming into a void about the abuses they had suffered, especially when they were sent off to boarding schools in India. The complaints reached a crescendo in 2020, and 3HO offered a reparations program to its former second generation members who reported neglect and psychological, physical, and sexual abuse. The program just concluded and Stacie and Philip wrote about it recently for Baaz News in an article titled They've covered this group for a while and have much to say about its practices, businesses, treatment of children, and actual efforts to make changes. We'll also have comments from Narangkar, a past guest from Season 2 who grew up in 3HO. If you haven't already, go back and listen to Narangkar's story, . Music by Lee Dunn, opening/closing song by Editing by Dhyana Levey
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BONUS: *Season 2 Rebroadcast* No Horses in India with Narangkar
06/21/2024
BONUS: *Season 2 Rebroadcast* No Horses in India with Narangkar
We're rebroadcasting an episode from 2019 to remind you about a guest from Generation Cult's first episode of Season 2. Narangkar is an artist who grew up in 3HO (Healthy, Happy Holy Organization), which is connected to Kundalini Yoga and Sikh Dharma. Narangkar and her two sisters navigated a troubling childhood during their time within the group that included neglect, child-swapping, violence and a traumatizing stay at a harsh boarding school in India. *This episode contains disturbing descriptions of child abuse and death. It serves as a companion to the next episode coming up on Generation Cult discussing a 2023 3HO reparations program. For information about Narangkar's go to: For more information about Narangkar's go to:
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The Farm and The Neon Sun with Kate
05/10/2024
The Farm and The Neon Sun with Kate
grew up in the secluded High View Church Farm where children worked and lived in militant conditions, rarely saw their families, and had little contact with the outside world. She left with only a couple of dollars in her pocket and no idea if that was a lot of money or not. Education was a lifeline but it's also pretty expensive. Kate lived in her car some of the time to save money. Now she advocates for . She's also the co-founder and managing editor of , author of seven books of poetry, and a teacher at Chapman University. Join us to discuss her life and just-released debut novel entitled , which follows the struggles of an unhoused young queer woman trying to get her education after leaving a cult. **This episode contains descriptions of child abuse Music by Lee Dunn, opening/closing song by Editing by Dhyana Levey
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Rejecting Race Rhetoric with Amanda
04/30/2024
Rejecting Race Rhetoric with Amanda
The church Amanda grew up in was started by a man known for his ejection from the KKK for being too militant. The tight and secretive community that revolved around the church valued white supremacy, male dominance, and obedience. Amanda had a lot of questions. A girl with questions wasn't valued in this community. Neither were women who wore pants or got educations. She did a lot of things that made her congregation mad, including learning how to not be racist. Join us for a very interesting discussion. ***This episode contains descriptions of racism and child abuse Music by Leanne Dunn, opening/closing song by Editing by Dhyana Levey
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In God's Name Pod with Grace
03/27/2024
In God's Name Pod with Grace
Yes, we are back! We're kicking off Season 4 with a conversation with Grace. She grew up in a little-known Christian fundamentalist group referred to as the Geftakys Assembly and, although her family left when she was young, she was impacted greatly by leadership's harsh rules regarding women and children. So greatly was Grace impacted that she dove into a years-long history/research project and created her own podcast about it called "." New episodes are being released now. Join us as we talk about Grace's upbringing in the group, how her family left, and why she went back recently to interview former members of the Geftakys Assembly and produce her own show. ***This episode contains descriptions of child abuse Music by Leanne Dunn, opening/closing song by Editing by Dhyana Levey
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We Love New Books: Forager with Michelle
10/20/2023
We Love New Books: Forager with Michelle
We're back with yet another special literary edition! For this bonus episode, we're celebrating the recent launch of the book "Forager: Field Notes for Surviving a Family Cult." It's out now in bookstores and . The author, Michelle, was raised in an end-times group that was started by her grandfather in the 1930s. As survivalists in an organization referred to as “The Field,” her family lived in isolation on a mountain, where they foraged for food and viewed basic comforts as a sin. Michelle endured illness, abuse, hunger and neglect before finding solace in nature and education. Now a professor of journalism, she lives a comfortable life in Southern California but still enjoys using her knowledge of edible plants to forage in her surroundings. Her book, which was released in March, discusses her childhood as well as how to forage through nature for what provides sustenance. In this interview, we speak to Michelle about her life, writing a book about it and how she got through some of her most challenging times.
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Book Launch Edition: I See You Survivor with Liz
08/29/2023
Book Launch Edition: I See You Survivor with Liz
Generation Cult is dropping back in with a bonus edition to celebrate today's launch of Liz Ianelli's new book called "I See You, Survivor: Life Inside (and Outside) the Totally F*cked-Up Troubled Teen Industry." In it, Liz details her years left at a program within the Troubled Teen Industry, a network of expensive residential programs, wilderness camps, and religious-affiliated establishments meant to set your child straight. Join us as we discuss Liz's time in one of these programs, how she relates it to a cult, the abuses she and her friends endured, and the struggles kids who live through this experience have after leaving. Liz has been an outspoken activist against the Troubled Teen Industry for many years, arguing that the programs should be shut down or, at the least, held accountable for their practices. This is her first book, released to the public on Aug. 29, and it can now be found in various bookstores as well as Amazon: ***This episode contains discussions of suicide and child abuse
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Ep. 14: Tween Marriage and the Culture of Polygamy with Tamara
04/14/2023
Ep. 14: Tween Marriage and the Culture of Polygamy with Tamara
Tamara grew up in a Sufi polygamist organization in the US and England. Her father joined the group when she was 5 and she soon found herself torn between a somewhat "normal" life with her mother and a bizarre, hard-working communal lifestyle with her dad. Deemed a "special child" by her father's group, she was sent to live with the leader, who put her to work caring for young children and cooking and cleaning in his mansion alongside his multiple wives. At age 12, Tamara got married -- a spotty relationship that lasted until she was 20. But when her husband wanted to follow the polygamist practices of the group, she left. On the Season 3 Finale of Generation Cult, Tamara chats with Dhyana and Ashlen about her life and the important role education played in her recovery from abuse. We'll discuss the culture of polygamist groups and what it was like to get married as a tween. Thank you for listening to this season of Generation Cult! ***This episode contains discussions of child abuse For more information about Tamara and her work, go to:
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Ep. 13: Declared Evil with Rhonda
03/31/2023
Ep. 13: Declared Evil with Rhonda
Rhonda's parents joined the Holy Order of MANS (standing for Mysterian, Agape, Nous and Sophia in Greek, or mystery, love, mind and wisdom in English) when she was a year old. The San Francisco-based group held classes and meetings studying a mix of religions, initially leaning heavily on New Age concepts and Christianity. Children were not allowed to live with parents, so she was raised on a farm with other kids as her parents moved through the ranks of the organization. The Holy Order changed and dropped its New Age associations after the Jonestown tragedy in 1978, when a similar group called the People's Temple very publicly met its end in a massacre. Rhonda's parents left shortly after that but continued to practice the concepts they had learned regarding vibrations, colors, light and music. Rhonda's life was structured by her parents' beliefs, especially her father's disgust for particular forms of music and aspects of mainstream society that he deemed "evil." Eventually convinced that she was evil as well, Rhonda dealt with her parents' judgement, lingering trauma from being raised on the farm and current inability to fit in with "normal" people through substance abuse and other unhealthy practices. But in her 20s, she began to seek help and returned to school. In this one-on-one chat with Rhonda and Dhyana, we discuss a brief history of the Holy Order of MANS, Rhonda's conflict with her parents and their decision to send her away when she was young, her struggles to fit in and the journey she went on to heal.
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Ep. 12: Searching for Healthy Community with Sarah
03/24/2023
Ep. 12: Searching for Healthy Community with Sarah
Sarah grew up in a bible-based group in Ohio with about 400 members, many of whom are related to her. She was sexually abused throughout her childhood, something she reported to leaders of her organization, who not only didn't stop the perpetrators but told her she was one who had sinned. Sarah left in her early 20s struggling with mental health issues as she got her education, traveled the world and started her own business. Along the way, she searched for a new, healthy community where she could feel safe and comfortable. She found that in the friends she made and a Christian church where she is allowed to ask questions and debate with the leaders. Join us as we hear Sarah's story and discuss why she considers her family's group a cult vs the more supportive communities she found herself in after she left. **This episode contains discussions about child sexual abuse and thoughts of suicide. Please listen with discretion.
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Ep. 11: The Influence of Faith with Will
03/10/2023
Ep. 11: The Influence of Faith with Will
Will grew up devout in an evangelical community and attended Christian schools, camps and mission trips. His beliefs were so strong in his youth that he describes himself as becoming radicalized and isolated from the rest of society. But in his teens he began to question his church's strict guidelines regarding who can be saved or even considered a Christian. After conversations with people from other faiths and failed attempts to have his questions answered within his community, he left his church. On this episode, Will chats with Dhyana and Ashlen about the strict evangelical beliefs he grew up with and how those beliefs impacted the politics of the people around him. Join us as we discuss the moments that caused him to question his outlook on life and spirituality, his journey into a Quaker community, and his recent concerns regarding dogmatic behavior in our country. Have questions or comments? Send us an email at Interested in starting your own podcast? Get up to two months of free podcast hosting from using our promo code GENCULT when you go to
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Ep. 10: Cults and Courts with Carol
02/24/2023
Ep. 10: Cults and Courts with Carol
While listening to the stories on Generation Cult, do you ever wonder at what point people can take legal action against their abusers? Do you want to know what charges have been brought against coercive groups and taken seriously in the courts? In this episode, Dhyana interviews attorney , who has brought successful lawsuits on behalf of people who were sexually abused in Buddhist, yoga and cult-like groups. Join us as we discuss the most effective ways to approach cases against high-demand organizations and how the playing field has changed in the post #metoo/Harvey Weinstein world. ***This episode contains discussions about sexual assault Carol works with the London-based firm and can be reached directly at Here's a link to a paper we discuss on the show about using the argument of undue influence to prosecute (as opposed to attacking a group's beliefs): Want to start your own podcast? We've been using Libsyn since 2018! Get a discount when you and use the promo code GENCULT
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Bonus: Talking Twelve Tribes with Tim
02/21/2023
Bonus: Talking Twelve Tribes with Tim
****Bonus episode! Dhyana chats with Tim Elliott, host of the new podcast called "Inside the Tribe," which takes a deep dive into controversial religious sect the Twelve Tribes. This short interview is a great companion to our Ep. 9: "Finding Freedom from the Twelve Tribes with Suvav," which released to the public on Feb. 10. Suvav also appears on "Inside the Tribe," which you can find on most podcast platforms. Elliott, an investigative journalist for the Sydney Morning Herald, first became acquainted with the group years ago while working for the newspaper. He was so troubled by their practices that he partnered with another journalist, Camille Bianchi, to produce the podcast, which is currently releasing new episodes: ***This interview contains discussion of disturbing topics, including child abuse **Patreon subscribers have early access to this bonus Want to start your own podcast? We've been using Libsyn since 2018! Get a discount when you and use the promo code GENCULT
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Ep. 9: Finding Freedom from the Twelve Tribes with Suvav
02/10/2023
Ep. 9: Finding Freedom from the Twelve Tribes with Suvav
Suvav grew up in the Twelve Tribes, a controversial religious organization founded in the 1970s that has since been accused of systemic child abuse, medical neglect, labor violations, arson, murder, and even more. In 2019, Suvav -- now an adult with three children -- left with his wife and kids, and are still struggling to find housing and stability in the world outside the Twelve Tribes community. On this episode, we chat with Suvav about growing up in the group as a hard-working, misunderstood child who suffered from food insecurity and severe untreated injuries. As an adult, he became disturbed by the group's harsh treatment of children, along with other questionable activity (including the death of his father) and made the difficult decision to leave with little to no support. *Suvav is also appearing on another podcast called Inside the Tribe, which takes a deep dive into the Twelve Tribes' history of abuse: **This episode contains disturbing discussions of child abuse, medical neglect, severe injuries and other topics not subtable for a younger audience. Please listen with care.
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Ep. 8: End Times and Conspiracy Theories with Emily
01/27/2023
Ep. 8: End Times and Conspiracy Theories with Emily
Emily was raised on a secluded farm in the Midwest with her six siblings before her family moved to the Pacific Northwest. Her parents were convinced that the world was going to end in 2012 and taught the children about survival, encouraged them to stay away from "outsiders," kept them minimally homeschooled, and controlled their day-to-day lives. Emily began a tough acclimation to the rest of the world after 2012 came and went, and she was allowed to attend school. When the pandemic began, her parents doubled down on their end times belief and fell deeper into conspiracy theories, particularly regarding the COVID vaccine. While Emily has since moved out of their home, she worries about her siblings who remain. Emily didn't think she could call herself someone who grew up in a cult but Dhyana and Ashlen disagree and explain why. Join us as we hear her story and discuss family cults, coercion in less recognized settings, and the timely prevalence of conspiracy theories.
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Ep. 7: Life After Mormon and Trauma Recovery with Jolyn
01/13/2023
Ep. 7: Life After Mormon and Trauma Recovery with Jolyn
Welcome back to Generation Cult and Happy New Year! We are kicking off 2023 with this episode about Jolyn, who grew up in the Mormon Church. While her experiences weren't as extreme as some of the other stories we've had here, she describes a sort of "whisper campaign" she experienced as an unenthusiastic member who then left, and the harm that even subtle group pressure can do. After experiencing upheaval in her family involving the criminal justice system, Jolyn -- now a trauma recovery coach -- wrote a recently-released guidebook about recovering from trauma. Join Dhyana and Ashlen as they chat with Jolyn about her life, work and leaving the church. You can reach her and learn more about her work at https://gvtraumarecovery.com/generationcult *This episode contains some discussion of suicide and sexual abuse
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Ep. 6: The COG and the Media Part II with Amy
12/16/2022
Ep. 6: The COG and the Media Part II with Amy
Welcome to Part II in our two-part series about the Children of God (aka the Family International), the infamous group created in the late 1960s that became known for the sexual exploitation of its members. Amy grew up in the Children of God (COG) and was coerced away from her parents to be trafficked as a child entertainer through many countries to promote the COG. She was also sent to live with the group's founder David Berg. Finally, as an adult with her own children, she able to escape to the US with help from some family friends. Join us for a chat with Amy about her life in the COG, her work as a performer for the group, getting out and going public with her story. **This episode contains discussion of child sexual abuse, suicide, prostitution, and trafficking. Please listen at your own discretion.
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Ep. 5: The COG and the Media Part I with Christina
12/02/2022
Ep. 5: The COG and the Media Part I with Christina
Christina grew up in the Children of God (aka The Family International), a group founded in 1968 by the late David Berg. As the organization grew, its members moved all over the world and were coerced into prostitution and other labor to bring in more money and support. Many children were born overseas, moved around contently, exploited and sexually abused. Christina lived a controlled, isolated existence and was trafficked through many countries well into adulthood. Finally, as a mother herself, she and her children got out. While rebuilding her life, she appeared on talk shows and other media to discuss her history with the Children of God (COG). Join us for a talk with Christina about her life, challenges, and leaving the COG, as well as her experiences going public with her story. *This is the first episode in a two-part series about the Children of God. **This episode contains descriptions of child sexual abuse, prostitution, and trafficking. Please listen at your own discretion.
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Ep. 4: Scientology Confessionals with Chris
11/25/2022
Ep. 4: Scientology Confessionals with Chris
Chris, a former classmate of Dhyana and Ashlen in the Psychology of Coercive Control graduate program, grew up in Scientology. He stayed through adulthood, marrying another Scientologist, working for Scientology, joining the Sea Org. ... until he couldn't put up with all the lying anymore. After Chris left, he wrote a book about his time in Scientology and went on to amplify his voice through his YouTube channel and podcast Sensibly Speaking. Join us as we hear Chris' story and discuss his master's dissertation about confessionals in Scientology.
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Ep. 3: Weight Loss & Coercive Control with Megan
11/11/2022
Ep. 3: Weight Loss & Coercive Control with Megan
When Megan was young, her mom introduced her to Gwen Shamblin and her Weigh Down Workshop diet seminar. Gwen taught that God wanted them to be thin and helped Megan and her mom lose weight by cutting their food intake. Megan's life became steadily more controlled as Gwen, who also started the Remnant Fellowship, demanded absolute obedience to herself and the group. Megan stayed under the control of her mother, the diet workshop, Gwen and the Remnant Fellowship until she was a young adult. Now a mother herself, she soon realized that the control also extended to her baby, and she left -- under much distress. In this episode, Megan discusses her life and how she regained her own autonomy. Join us as we also chat with Megan about weight loss as one of the many ways destructive groups can assert control over their members.
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Ep. 2: Denial with Dhyana
11/04/2022
Ep. 2: Denial with Dhyana
Want to know more about the host of Generation Cult? Join us as co-host Ashlen Hilliard interviews Dhyana Levey.
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Ep. 1: What is a Cult? with Ashlen
10/28/2022
Ep. 1: What is a Cult? with Ashlen
Welcome to the first episode of Season 3! We are so excited to be back, and also thrilled to welcome Ashlen Hilliard as a co-host. Since you'll be hearing her voice throughout the new season, we wanted you to get to know her better, so she's also our guest for this episode. Ashlen grew up in the conservative Church of Christ while living in the midst of Utah's Mormon culture. Mormons were constantly trying to convert her, while she was trying to convert them. When the strict rules handed down by her church began to cause her panic attacks, she left. Ashlen then went on to help women leave polygamist groups, organize events for the International Cultic Studies Association, contribute to CultNews101 and, most recently, started her own LLC called People Leave Cults. We hope you enjoy this episode and the rest of the season!
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Ep. 10: You Don't Have to Tell Them Anything
04/22/2020
Ep. 10: You Don't Have to Tell Them Anything
On the final episode of Generation Cult, we wrap up Season 2 with a conversation with Meghan, an ex-Jehovah's Witness. She left as a young adult when the mental anguish she experienced within the organization threatened to take her life. But that departure sent her on a roller coaster of family detachments that she still rides to this very day. Although relieved to flee the bible-based religion, she continued to believe its teachings and was convinced she was going to die in Armageddon. So, she experimented with everything she had been taught not to do: She smoked cigarettes, tried a few drugs and worked on a pot farm. And she had a lot of sex. Eventually, she began to work in the sex industry as an escort. Find out what happened to Meghan and how she became the person she is today. Thank you so much for listening to Generation Cult. *This episode contains discussions of self-harm and sexuality and is not for younger listeners. Discretion is advised. **Photo courtesy of Meghan Smith
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Ep. 9: TM Redux
03/02/2020
Ep. 9: TM Redux
Do you remember Gina from Season 1? She discussed growing up in the Transcendental Meditation movement during the height of its guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's fame. Well, due to some pretty poor sound issues in that last episode, we've brought Gina back for Season 2! Hence, the "TM Redux" title. While Gina does talk again about her unattended childhood in the movement, which led to a relationship with a much older man and, subsequently, children, we also discuss other issues with TM overall. Like, why did people get so upset that we brought up Transcendental Meditation at all on the show? Join us as we offer a better-sounding episode touching on Gina's life in a TM community through age 30, leaving with three kids and a reluctant husband, education in both medicine and cultic groups, as well as her own thoughts on communication about the TM movement. *Image courtesy of Gina Catena
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Ep. 8: The Cult Pseudo Identity
02/11/2020
Ep. 8: The Cult Pseudo Identity
In this expert episode, we talk to Gillie, a psychotherapist and the director of the UK-based , which for the past 16 years has provided post-cult counseling to those recovering from extreme, “high-demand” organizations. Join us as we chat about the mental health services she provides to patients as well as the training she offers for other therapists who want to work with people coming out of cults. Gillie also discusses her doctoral research and thoughts about what she calls “the cult pseudo identity,” which people can develop while integrating aspects of an authoritarian group into their own personalities.
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Ep. 7: Devastating Disconnections
01/24/2020
Ep. 7: Devastating Disconnections
When Aaron and his twin brother were 4, their mom joined Scientology. The boys grew up with the organization as a main focus in their lives. Their formal education ended after Aaron finished the seventh grade. He then worked full time for Scientology as a staff member from age 12 to 26. But soon came a wave of family rifts, including a great tragedy that severed him from someone he loved. Aaron left Scientology in 2014 and appeared on the first season of A&E's "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath." While he has a happy life, job and family, the fall out from their time in Scientology continues to undermine relationships for him, his wife, children and even his dog He's now the vice president of the The Aftermath Foundation, a nonprofit that helps people suffering from "disconnection" and "fair game" as they leave the group. Join us as we talk about his life, The Aftermath Foundation and recent legal action brought against Scientology. **This episode contains language and subject matter that some listeners might find disturbing. Discretion advised. *Image courtesy of Aaron Smith-Levin
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Ep. 6: The Medium and the Time Machine
12/23/2019
Ep. 6: The Medium and the Time Machine
When Katharina was 10 years old, her parents packed up their possessions, moved out and joined "The Family," a New Age cult that started in Germany and moved around a bit before settling in a Belize jungle. The group was led by a controlling man who managed a woman claiming to be a medium. Both favored inappropriate relationships with minors and encouraged other members of the cult to do the same. Katharina's childhood experiences included separation from her parents, sexual abuse, underage labor, denial of emotions and the bizarre fashioning of a time machine. She made her way out and now directs Stronger After, an online resource for people harmed by coercive groups and relationships. https://www.stronger-after.org/ In this episode, we'll hear her story and thoughts on the psychological impacts of high-control groups on children. *This episode contains descriptions of sexual abuse and violence. Listener discretion advised. **Image courtesy of Katharina Meredith
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Ep. 5: You Might As Well Be a Therapist!
11/21/2019
Ep. 5: You Might As Well Be a Therapist!
It's time to bring in an expert! As much as we love hearing personal stories, we'd also like to add commentary about cults and coercive control from someone who has studied the subject matter and worked directly with patients. In this episode, we sit down with Colleen Russell, a San Francisco Bay Area therapist who has spent about 20 years counseling people who were raised in or joined cults.
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