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Episode 237 - Clarissa Rayward & Jennifer Harris - That's a Wrap! Wellness in Law: Where Are We Now & Where to Next?
09/01/2022
Episode 237 - Clarissa Rayward & Jennifer Harris - That's a Wrap! Wellness in Law: Where Are We Now & Where to Next?
So we made it to then end! In this very last episode of the Happy Lawyer Happy Life podcast I sat down with my now very dear friend Jennifer Harris. Jen and I met thanks to this show and her friendship will forever be one of the greatest things that has come as a result. When I was trying to work out who would be the perfect person to help me wrap this all up I immediately thought of Jen. So here we are! Talking all things happiness in law, what we have both learned over 237 episodes and 6 years of podcasting. Before publishing this episode today I was listening back to Episode 1 to remind myself of what I set out to explore with this show. Now, 6 years later I can say with confidence that there are so many happy lawyers out there. Sure they all have their ups and downs but each of them has found a way to build a career in this profession that they (mostly) love. These stories have show us that happiness really is different for all of us. I have had the chance to speak with some extraordinary people in our profession- some are famous, some are hardly known and all are going about their work with meaning, purpose and conviction and doing great things in the world. We can build careers in law that enable us to pursue a meaningful and happy life- just listen back to my many guests and you will find out how. That's a wrap. It is finally time to say goodbye, and I won't be seeing you on the airwaves next week. A lot of you are asking ‘what's next?’ for me, and as much as I'd love to tell you there's some great plan to do something fascinating, interesting and grand, there actually isn't. Over the last six years, I have really explored what it takes for me to build a life that has at the heart of it, happiness. My kids are that bit older. My business works well. I know that I need craft, sparkles and colour in my life. And so, I'm actually going to take a bit of a step back from this law land stuff. These days I spend most of my free time hanging out with my girls, being a dance mum, watching them build lives that have at the heart of them their happiness. For the next few years, that's all I really want to do. I love law, I love the careers that we all get to build, and I hope I've done my little bit to make an impact in the profession that we're all part of. For now, I just want to go and be Clarissa, that happy lawyer who loves that sparkly stuff and enjoys the people closest to her. Maybe a new project will come along, but I'm pretty content if it doesn't. I want to say thank you to a few people that have made this project what it is. Firstly, to Amelia Rees, the silent mind behind each and every one of these episodes. Amelia and I've worked together for many years. Some years ago, I ran a cafe and she was the manager of that cafe before she transitioned to a receptionist in my law firm. Thanks to some challenges in her own life, she had to step away from working within my business, but in her time there, she'd built the skills to become a podcast producer. Having navigated some health challenges, she fast set up a business using all of the skills that she and I had learned together. Amelia runs a great little business called . She's the back end now of a whole bunch of successful podcasts all around this country. Amelia, you have been such a wonderful part of my life. You and Marshall have been there since the beginning of my businesses and I'm so grateful that you are still involved today. Thank you for all your work in producing this show and making it the great thing that it has been. To my other creative sidekick, Sarah Follent, who has also been there with me the whole time through this journey, the brains behind all of the pretty pictures and all of the nice things that come out of my two businesses I say a huge tinsel filled ‘thank you’! Sarah is another deeply talented human being that I'm so very grateful to have in my life. Many of you would've connected with Sarah over the years and I've come to learn that everyone needs a Sarah in their life, a cheerleader who is kind, determined, and smart. To another cheerleader in my life, Kiarah Grace Kelly aka Episode 117 I say ‘thank you’! Kiarah is my side kick in business at Brisbane Family Law Centre these days, and is fast becoming a significant leader in our profession. She's wise beyond her years and keeps me smiling every day. She's a big part of why I can say to you that I'm stepping back, because with leaders like Kiarah coming through our profession, I have comfort that the future is very, very bright. I would like to thank Ann Maree David and the team at the College of Law. When this show was just an idea in my head, I turned up on Ann Maree’s doorstep with a very poorly produced PDF, asking her and the College to get behind this idea. Six years later, the College has been there for every single episode supporting me and all of us in this adventure. I will forever be grateful to Anne Maree and her team at the College for taking a chance on what was then the first podcast in this country for lawyers. I know I say it every week, but I'm going to write it just in case you forget- “Jump on their website, collaw.edu.au, because the College offers so many wonderful tools and resources for us lawyers, no matter our age or stage in our careers.” I would also like to thank each and every one of the guests that have taken the time to join my show and share their stories so earnestly. Without them, clearly this would not have been possible. To my personal cheer squad, Ollie, London, Daisy, thank you. London's grown up with this show, her voice kicking off the beginning of each episode. She sounds a bit different now. Both my girls think podcasting is just a thing that everyone does, and I look forward to seeing what they each do with the tools that they've come to learn, being surrounded by all these great people. My husband, Oliver, is the quiet cheerleader that many of you will have never met and probably don't hear too much about, but I am forever grateful as he always says, "Sure, whatever, you go for it," with all of my crazy ideas. And finally, a big thank you to you, the listener. Every single week, so many of you have tuned in to hear from me and my guests about all these things, happiness in law. The show clearly wouldn't exist without those of you who have listened, and I hope there'll still be many more of you who will continue to listen into the future. Whilst the question might be answered in the affirmative, we can of course have lives in the law that enable us to be happy people, this is an ongoing dialogue. The pandemic has shown us that the strangest things can happen at any time. The work that needs to be done right now in improving our profession for all within it will no doubt be different in 10 years’ time. We should, as custodians of this profession, be forever doing our best to ensure that we create an environment for all of us that enables us to thrive. A few years ago, I chose to be happy. That sentence sounds so simple, but that action took daily mindful work. It still does, and I encourage you to do the same. Choose happy. It won't be easy, and some days happiness will feel far from your reality, but by choosing happy, you are making decisions within a mindset of optimism, kindness, connection, community, seeking a more meaningful life. And I'd like to think that ultimately, that will leave the world in a better place. In this interview, Jen and I also chatted about- The widening of community and what Jen has loved about our Happy Lawyer podcast adventure. The changes for Jen, both in life and law since we, as the listeners, first met her in 'Shining a light on the human face of those we work with.' The impacts the pandemic had on the legal industry and the new-found strength of the next generation. Tips for finding balance as we integrate work and life. Clarissa shares why she is rounding out the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast'. Her original goals for the podcast and the changes Clarissa has seen. Jen shares her perception of the legal industry as we have been forced to pivot. What Clarissa has taken away from the episodes, as the host. The shift in the conversation we have seen around mental health and the law. Clarissa has been able to successfully advocate for change and says, 'The chance to sit down and talk to people about their lives has been an honour.' The continued work towards connecting not competing. The re-occurring themes of the episodes - There is no set pathway into the law, creativity and the law and, just taking the next step forward each day. Saying 'no' to the things that don't serve us, gives us the opportunity to say 'yes' to the right things. We are shining a light on human stories and learning from each other. The future of law land. For one last time, a Happiness Tip from Clarissa. Sit back and enjoy this interview with final words from our host, Clarissa Rayward. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 236 - Do the Things You Want to Do with Claudia Maw
08/29/2022
Episode 236 - Do the Things You Want to Do with Claudia Maw
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Claudia Maw. Claudia is based in WA, and she is a great friend who I have had the privilege of working with over the past couple years. She has a very fascinating story and has lived such an interesting life. Claudia is building a brilliant niche Estates firm in her regional town of Albany (which is apparently 5 full hours south of Perth!). It was fantastic to learn more about her background in both law and life, and how she came from a travelling military family in the UK to set up a small firm in rural WA. This was such a great conversation to include as I wind down this Podcast. Claudia absolutely embodies all the things I love about the 'new law' movement. She has taken her incredible life experiences, her passions and her interests, and created a boutique firm that fits her perfectly. Claudia's advice? 'Do the things you want to do', and I couldn't agree more. In this interview, Claudia and I also chatted about- If Claudia was not a lawyer, she would have been a set or costume designer. With a choice of a Masters in Politically Science or Law and, in the end, she did her post-graduate in the UK. The connection with an interest in the arts and the correlating skills you learn from life. Claudia was born up in Germany and lived between the UK and the USA as her father was in the army. Claudia attended boarding school from the age of 8 and what the boarding experience looks like. Claudia completed an undergraduate How Claudia came to be in the law and how her first experience in ' The bar, the Inns of Template and the study of law in the UK and, some of Claudia's early experiences. When the GFC hit, Claudia and her husband moved to Perth Australia. The challenges of moving country and missing the connection from which, were filled by a Knitting group! Her time re-qualifying for law here in Australia and her first legal role last at the environmental defender's office. Structure and succession law ultimately led her down the path of Wills and Estates. Claudia has a strong inner self-belief that she can, and she will do what she needs to do to achieve her goals. The beginnings of 'South Coast Legal' in Albany, 5 hours out of Perth in 2017. Claudia's firm direction, and name change - Demeter Legal an online firm. Make changes to ensure your life reflects how you want it to look. Claudia's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Claudia Maw *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 235 - Deep Thinking & Soul Searching With a Sense of Humour with Andrew McCormack
08/29/2022
Episode 235 - Deep Thinking & Soul Searching With a Sense of Humour with Andrew McCormack
In this second last episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Andrew McCormack, family lawyer with Thynne + Macartney Lawyers. Andrew is a great friend of mine, who like me is a Family Lawyer in #brisvegas! Andrew has has been a big part of my legal career, and I am so glad to be able to interview him before this Podcast comes to a close. His story-telling, his sense of humour and his 'law nerd' abilities are things that I greatly appreciate, and this interview really embodies these amazing qualities. Andrew has also been a wonderful friend to me particularly during the challenges of 2020 and 2021 so I am glad I got to say 'Thank you' and have that recorded for good. This episode brought a lot of laughter, but also a lot of learnings on everything from entomology to looking after your mental health in #lawland. Andrew openly speaks about his own neurodiversity, burn out and the steps he takes each day to keep at it in #Lawland. In this interview, Andrew and I also chatted about- If Andrew was not a lawyer he would have been an entomologist. (I did have to ask what that was....) Andrew is a natural lover of knowledge and shares his interest in all things insects. Son of a lawyer, Andrew grew up in a small community on the North Coast of NSW and from the age of 4 was hanging out in his Dad's law firm. Andrew's father has been a practicing lawyer for over 40 years and Andrew shares what he has learnt from him over the years. Small town legal practices vs those in more urban areas. His father's general law practice was established in 1910. Andrew attended University where he studied political science and then law. How Andrew found himself in Family Law and the aspects of this work that he loves. Andrew describes himself as a #lawnerd and loves complex problem-solving. The often distressing nature of family law matters and the high rate of burn-out in the field. Andrew is the father of 3 daughters and openly says he is outnumbered and absolutely loves it! Andrew experienced burnout in 2019 which resulted in taking 3 months of leave. The impacts he felt during this time and using this time to find balance again. The difference between Dispute Management vs Dispute Resolution. Right before the pandemic hit in 2020, Andrew had plans to complete the Bar exam, which was ultimately cancelled. Needing to pivot Andrew joined the team at Thynne + Macartney Lawyers. and loves the culture and collaboration of the team. Andrew openly takes about his struggles with being risk-averse and how he has learnt to overcome his catastrophising. The now out phased Article Clerkship and the value of mentorship. Andrew shares that it takes courage to look within and then take the steps to look after yourself. The conversation shifts around Mental Health and Neurodiversity and Andrew's experience in both these areas. The importance of fostering conversations with younger generation lawyers and keeping the dialogue open. Andrew's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Andrew McCormack. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 234 - Taking The Time For You First with Kate Sherburn
08/26/2022
Episode 234 - Taking The Time For You First with Kate Sherburn
In this episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Kate Sherburn. Kate is an inhouse lawyer at a company I am a raving fan for- 'Who Gives a Crap'- a company who despite a pandemic have a product that sure has been in high demand!! Kate and I have chatted a few times over the pandemic years and it was great to catch up with her in the last few weeks as we close out this show. Like anyone who lived in Victoria, the last few years have taken a toll but Kate's positive mindset explains so much about why she and her team have been able to navigate their way through. Kate is such a great example of someone who has pursued a career in law, found what she loves in an unexpected place, and is absolutely thriving in her career and life. In this episode, we discuss Kate’s experiences in different companies, the incredible teams she works with and has worked with in the past, and what experience and life is like when you’re working as an in-house lawyer in businesses, particular at 'Who Gives a Crap!' (As an aside, I would love to work in a company that manages to appropriately get the word 'crap' into the title!) Kate is such an interesting, personable and articulate human, and I am excited to share her story with you! In this interview, Kate and I also chatted about- If Kate was not a lawyer she would have been a psychologist. The skills which she used in psychology have been applicable to the law. Kate grew up in Victoria and enjoyed legal studies in high school. She completed a 13-month paralegal course for Cadbury Schweppes and fell in love with the business/team environment. Knowing she wanted to work in-house as a lawyer, Kate set off to gain the experience she needed for the role and started Corporate Advisory. The shift in conversation, and opportunity for those seeking in-house roles in the law. After having her children, Kate became the first lawyer in-house at TAFE, a role which was minutes from her home. The opportunity to work in-house at 'Who gives a Crap' came up and Kate jumped at it. The impact of the pandemic as Kate already was able to work from home. The work culture of Who Gives a Crap and the valuable work they are doing in the commuity. The importance of purpose in your work - no matter the subject matter. One of Kates's relational and collaborative working strategies involves assuming good intent from those you work with. The concept of a 'no week' and a 'slow week'. Thinking differently about your time and productivity. By working in-house you are able to see a project from start to finish. Overall happiness and recognising that everything needs to have a boundary. Surviving the Melbourne lockdown and the toilet paper wrapper dress Kate designed. The valuable life lessons Kate has learnt in the recent past. The future for Kate as an in-house lawyer. Kate's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kate Sherburn *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 233 - Chasing Your Passions Like You Chase Your Dog & Kids with Elspeth Finney
08/26/2022
Episode 233 - Chasing Your Passions Like You Chase Your Dog & Kids with Elspeth Finney
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Elspeth Finney, director of Shoalhaven Family Law on the south coast of NSW. Elspeth is someone I’ve known for a few years, and while this interview was recorded all the way back in the Covid-scape of 2021, I am so pleased to have been able to get this episode out there to you all. Elspeth is such an incredible young woman, and is absolutely someone to watch in the legal space moving forward! In this interview, it was such a pleasure to learn more about her. We discussed Elspeth’s earlier life, her love of remote coastal NSW and competitive fishing, and how she has crafted her life, practice and team around the things she values most. While many of us with our own practices take the leap later in our careers, Elspeth knew what she wanted from very early on in law, and made it work (and succeed!) with incredible determination. Elspeth’s pragmatism, strategic brilliance, and wisdom beyond her years is just incredible. I’ve been very lucky to have been able to know and watch her amazing work over the last few years. I think we can all learn so much from her self-awareness, drive, and in crafting her work and life around the people and things she loves. In this interview, Elspeth and I also chatted about- If Elspeth was not a lawyer she would have been a marriage celebrant, or perhaps a fisherwoman. Elspeth grew up in Nowra and, against the odds started her degree in rural Australia. She had a passion and focus was Family Law and helping families. Following a difficult working environment, Elspeth started her own firm to support her loyal clients. Determination and advocacy was a strength for Elspeth and early on she realised she enjoyed strategic work. Elspeth's passion for game fishing has now morphed into a nice family event. Elspeth's decision-making around her career has been based around her life - not the other way around. 3 years post-submission Elspeth started her own firm - 'Shoalhaven Family Law' The highlights, and challenges of starting her own business. Contingency plans for business - can someone else do the work for the benefit of clients and the rest of the team? Elspeth became a mother at the beginning of the pandemic and the changes she implemented in her firm. The advantages she has seen by establishing practices for her team to support their work-life balance. Her advice for those looking to step out on their own. Sparking joy in all aspects of life and becoming clear on the meaning. The future of law-land from a young lawyer. Elspeth's approach to team culture and her advice to others. Making decisions and pushing boundaries. Elspeth's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Elspeth Finney. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 232 - It’s All About Those Magical Morning Moments with Elizabeth Fairon
08/25/2022
Episode 232 - It’s All About Those Magical Morning Moments with Elizabeth Fairon
In this episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Elizabeth Fairon, business owner extraordinaire of both Life Law Solutions and Acumen Leadership. You may not know too much about Elizabeth if you live outside of Queensland, but I can say she is one of the most talented lawyers and business owners I know. In this interview, Elizabeth takes us through so many of the things that makes her such a fantastic leader, business owner and person. From her non-linear journey into law, her love for learning and writing, and her new business ‘Acumen Leadership’ that is helping us all be better leaders in law. She also discusses the attrition rates in law, how to avoid burnout, where she’s going next, and where she finds her peace – in creativity, connection, and those magical morning moments! She has also just launched her own podcast so because you need a new show to listen to I can highly recommend hers- Elizabeth really is just such a cool human and I am so glad I managed to sneak in this interview! In this interview, Elizabeth and I also chatted about- If Elizabeth was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher or a writer. Elizabeth's craving for creativity and the peace she finds in reading. Born in NSW, Elizabeth lived in Thailand for her first 5 years and came back to Australia to study and live in Toowoomba. Her high school experience and the variety of roles she had during the first 2 years out of school. After attending a law lecture, Elizabeth's interest was piqued and she made the shift from teaching to law. The non-linear pathway of Elizabeth's journey and the value of finding your passion first. Interest and curiosity make anything possible. After finishing her law degree in Cairns, Elizabeth completed her PLT at Queensland University. Receiving a traineeship in family law, in a firm she now owns. 'Life Law Solutions' and the advantages of staying on and taking the challenges head-on. Elizabeth's dream is to focus on the side of the law which affects people's lives and the niching the firm. 'Acumen' - the leadership program for lawyers. Elizabeth saw a gap in the law and the reason she chose this space to share with the legal community. Psychological safety within the legal profession. The definition of innovation and the natural curiosity of learning from all areas. Elizabeth shares with us a sneak peek of her new book concept. The attrition rate of lawyers is age 32 for women and 38 for men. Finding your way through a crisis and, strategies to keep motivation for a life in the law. Recognising the signs of overwhelm to counteract attrition rates. The future for Elizabeth, including a book and a Podcast. It’s all about those magical morning moments. Elizabeth's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Elizabeth Fairon. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 231 - The Pieces that Make Up the People with Perpetua Kish and Jonathon Naef
08/24/2022
Episode 231 - The Pieces that Make Up the People with Perpetua Kish and Jonathon Naef
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Perpetua Kish (Pepe) and Jonathon Naef (Jono) Co-founders of Balance Family Law. I’ve known Pepe and Jono for a few years now, and it’s been incredible watching them from afar as they have built and created their firm. This was recorded quite a while ago, so apologies to you both that this episode has taken me so long to publish! What really stood out for me in this chat was how Pepe and Jono have found themselves working in Family Law with such a similar vision, but with such different strengths and experiences. We don’t see many partnerships in newer law firms emerging, but Pepe and Jono truly embody the spirit of why and how these partnerships can come together and bring out the best in us. Their mutual vision, respect, and helping one another in realising their complimentary strengths is absolutely something we can all learn from - in life both inside and outside the law. In this interview, Pepe, Jono and I also chatted about- If Jono was not a lawyer he envisions himself in the teaching space or as a Lego Master. If Pepe was not a lawyer, she would be a creator of any description - she is highly creative and originally pursued a career in acting. Pepe grew up in Canberra, but moved to Sydney after university and shares how acting led to her to pursue a career in the law. The re-occurring correlation between creatives and the law. Jono grew up in Canberra and had the goal of joining the police force so he enrolled in Justice Studies as a way to kick-start his career. He decided to make the switch to law after a year of study, and has never looked back. Discussing how things fall into place - the tragedies and the wonderful things Pepe experienced in her journey to where she is now. The reflection on the life events that change our path but, if it were not for those events, we wouldn't be where we are today. The pieces that make up the people. Pepe and Jono embracing the attitude of 'Let's just try it, and see how it goes.' Family law and Estate Law, and the focus on problem-solving is the aspect of the work that Jono loves most. Pepe's experience in being an associate to the Children's Magistrate Court where casework captured her heart. After the emotional drain of working with children, Pepe made the switch to a Family Law firm where she met Jono in 2016. Identifying what you don't like and moving toward what you do enjoy. Systems, processes and numbers are Jono's strengths, complimented with Pepe's passion for humanity and social work. Progression from working together in larger firms, and the decision to open Balance Family Law on the 1st of March 2019. The strong common purpose in the partnership between Pepe and Jono. Dealing with imposter syndrome and some of the challenges of starting a law firm. Some of the highlights and how to move forward in a practical way by sharing common goals. Winning awards and celebrating the wins each day. Traditionally Partnerships in law were common, however Pepe and Jono are no longer the norm. Their top tips for working together as a team and finding the right partner. Pepe's Happiness Tip Jono's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Pepe and Jono from Balance Family Law. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 230 - 'Do your own thing and take a different path' with Rachael Bosnjak
08/01/2022
Episode 230 - 'Do your own thing and take a different path' with Rachael Bosnjak
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing immigration lawyer, Rachael Bosnjak. Rachael is someone who I’ve gotten to know through this Podcast as a dedicated listener so it is fitting that she is bringing home our last 7 episodes ever! About a year ago now, right in the midst of the pandemic with international borders closed, Rachael took a giant leap and opened her own law firm, Passage Migration. Now you might think opening a migration practice at a time when migration was near impossible was a little left of centre but a year down the track and we can now say that Rachael was ahead of the curve, literally! Rachael's creativity is the heart of her success in designing and operating her own business- her recent sketches in a workshop we both attended made me jealous! As I’m starting to wrap up the Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast after 6 wonderful years, this chat with Rachael was fantastic in discussing where the conversation around lawyers finding happiness began all those years ago, compared to where it is now. I had so many moments through this Podcast recording where I was reminded why I started this whole thing – the chance to talk to incredible people across the world that I otherwise would not have met, and all of the incredible listeners out there- Rachael being one of them. Thank you for this wonderful interview Rachael, and I look forward to seeing the Aston Martin goal come to life! In this interview, Rachael and I also chatted about - If Rachael was not a lawyer she would have been an academic, and she finds joy in seeing someone's marks improve. Memories from her childhood growing up in sunny Brisbane. Rachael was 12 when she decided she wanted to become a lawyer, and later attended law school at Griffith University. With a mixed heritage of Irish and Croatian, Rachael's interest in Immigration Law was sparked at University. Experience is the best teacher and Rachael's first few years were spent dabbling in Criminal Law and Personal Injury in addition to Immigration Law. Rachael understands why there is such a large rate of graduate lawyer dropouts and shares some of her own experiences. Working in Immigration Law and the diverse range of work she put her hand up for. After completing an MBA and managing a practice, Rachael briefly left the law to start on her own path. Coming across community and finding her love for law again. Launching 'Passage Migration' on 2021 and the 'solopreneur' model. The perks of working for herself, in contrast with the challenges of owning a business. Being your own boss and, the importance of your financial choices in the early days. Rachael gives her tips for living out your values and purpose in business. Being vulnerable isn't a weakness and the value of sharing with like-minded people in law. Setting up students for success at University. #lawpreneur and Rachel's perspective on alternative pathways, work structure and culture. Rachael's words of wisdom; 'Do your own thing and take a different path.' Rachael's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Rachael Bosnjak. There are still a couple more interviews to come before this show comes to an end, but fret not – I am still doing all of the Happy Lawyer things! In true Clarissa style we will be celebrating the end of the Podcast with a party alongside the incredible College of Law, not to mention the upcoming Retreat in November. If you want to stay in the loop, just check out my Instagram @thehappyfamilylawyer. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 228 - Loving people, loving law, and a Coral Trout pivot with Joplin Higgins OAM
03/22/2022
Episode 228 - Loving people, loving law, and a Coral Trout pivot with Joplin Higgins OAM
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing family lawyer Joplin Higgins OAM. Joplin is someone I’ve known through the excellent work she does in the family law space for a while now, so it was such a privilege to be able to sit down and learn more about her story. Joplin really is such a great example of someone who came into law through a fascinating pathway, found her calling, and has created a unique space in #Lawland where she continues to flourish. While covering what led her to where she is now (Joplin’s rural upbringing, love of jewellery, time in Germany and how coral trout led her into the law), a key piece for me here is Joplin’s observation on the importance of loving people as a lawyer, and our role in creating a great customer service experience. In allowing this love and care for clients to shine, it makes us better – not just as lawyers, but as people too. This conversation was so much fun, but also a fantastic insight into something many of us experience in law – ending up in a space that was not a part of our initial plan! Joplin is a beautiful example of how life leads us to unexpected places, and how we can make the most of these opportunities to learn, grow, pivot, and find joy. In this interview, Joplin and I also chatted about- If Joplin was not a lawyer she would have been a jewellery designer! Managing your mind through creativity. The perspective Covid has brought us and Joplin's realisation of the important things in life. Growing up in Emerald country NSW, gave her a passion for regional communities. A rotary exchange in Germany resulted in Joplin moving there for 2 years as a nanny. Re-locating to Carins in North QLD to be closer to her brother, where she stayed for 12 years while raising a family. How a Coral Trout led Joplin to become a lawyer. The many different ways people find themselves on the path to law. Studying at JCU in Cairns and her first work experience stint, led to a change from criminal to family law. After her own divorce, having to make difficult decisions to manage study and a family. After her degree, Joplin was finally able to be with her kids and made the move to Wagga Wagga in NSW. Making the right decision at the right moment. Joplin's experience in Legal Aid and her recommendation for young lawyers to work here for a stint. Moving to the Hunter Valley to buy a farm and start a law firm! The evolution, and deconstruction, of Joplin Lawyers The care for the client is essential and Joplin discovered that loving people leads to loving the law. Reflection brings clarity and, the perspective of balance. She has become an advocate for Domestic Violence Abuse and the awards she has won for her work including an Order of Australia Medal. Joplin's advice to young lawyers coming into the industry. Joplin's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Joplin Higgins. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 229 - Living your best life with Kate Christie
03/16/2022
Episode 229 - Living your best life with Kate Christie
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful Kate Christie.
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Episode 227- Be really good at one thing with James Janke and Drew Hamilton.
02/18/2022
Episode 227- Be really good at one thing with James Janke and Drew Hamilton.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing James Janke and Drew Hamilton. James and Drew are together the owners and operators of Hamilton Janke, a progressive criminal law practice based in Newcastle. These two friends started their business a few years ago and I so enjoyed hearing the 'how and why' behind that decision. Partnerships in legal firms were certainly the way of the past, but we don't see so many of them popping up now and yet here is one that really works. For James and Drew it is the combination of their shared drive for excellence in their area of law but perhaps more importantly their common belief in the value of life and family. This is a fun interview for anyone with an interest in building a firm from the ground up. These two have done it, successfully, and I can see why having had the chance to enjoy their banter for this hour! We talked about surfing, being a Rock Star and somewhere in their life as a criminal lawyer! My favourite tip from these two was a reminder that as business owners it is important to give yourself permission to have downtime, without any guilt. In this interview, James Janke and Drew Hamilton and I also chatted about- If James was not a lawyer he would have been a firefighter and Drew would have been a Lawyer or a Rock Star! (yes I did get a little distracted by the Rock Star ideal!) The connection between the performing arts and advocacy as a courtroom lawyer. James was born in the UK and moved to Newcastle where he completed his studies. Drew grew up locally in the Hunter Valley and why he chose the law. The value of human connection in law. How Drew and James' paths crossed and the aligned values they shared. The beginnings of 'Hamilton Janke' in 2016. The impact of the pandemic on life in law- the good and the not so good! The opportunities of smaller boutique firms and rural local communities. The importance of giving yourself permission to have downtime, without guilt. Why their business partnership works and how they are able to support each other. The challenges of running a legal practice. Becoming agile in a traditionally rigid legal system. The transfer over to fixed fees and the advantage of this for their clients. A couple of criminal law stories- and a kangaroo in court! Literally!! The operation of the criminal justice system during the pandemic. The future for 'Hamilton Janke' Their tips for their younger selves going though university. James Janke and Drew Hamilton's Happiness Tips. Sit back and enjoy this interview with James Janke and Drew Hamilton. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law.
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Episode 226- No Smoke and Mirrors, just Customer Service with Hunter Steele
01/26/2022
Episode 226- No Smoke and Mirrors, just Customer Service with Hunter Steele
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Hunter Steele. Now Hunter is a lawyer turned tech company head and one of the creators of the Legal Software Company Smokeball. So how does a boy from Western NSW find himself at the head of one of the world's leading legal tech companies? Well that is what I found out in this chat! As is the case in so many of these interviews, I was again reminded that our training and skills as lawyers have such broad application if we let them. For Hunter, it was growing up in his Dad's regional law firm, seeing the everyday challenges of small business, that kickstarted his interest in legal tech. That and a wonderful friendship early in his career with another lawyer turned tech guru, Christian Beck. Hunter's knowledge and love of legal practice shines through in this conversation. And I have decided that building legal tech is sort of 'building' with virtual lego blocks so it makes so much more sense to me now! Jokes aside though, Hunter is another great example of using your skills, following your passions and building a career in law that works for you. In this interview, Hunter and I also chatted about- If Hunter was not a lawyer he would have been in the tech space - which is where he is now! Hunter has always been creative and shares how he ended up in the software field, rather than heading into the construction space. As a child, Hunter lived in Bathurst and his experience of growing up in a beautiful regional town. His time studying law at Bond University. Joining the software writers at 'Leap' and how this changed the trajectory of his life. The beginnings of 'Leap' and how the founder, Christian Beck, was well ahead of his time. The beginnings of 'Smokeball' and how Hunter started this spin-off business with the support of his mentor and. Building the culture within a business has brought the most joy to Hunter. In the last 2000s, Hunter launched Smokeball into America. Hunter's experience of living in Chicago USA, through Covid and, the political environment in 2021. Legal market trends and how verticalization (or niching) is changing in Australia. A day in the life of Hunter! The legal trend changes, in Australia, and the average law firm's attitude towards technology. The advantage of a fixed-fee and client-centric business model. Hunter's predictions for the future of tech in the law. His advice for those looking to shift into technology space and, how these programs can be used to reduce stress. Hunter's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Hunter Steele. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 225 - Leaving people better than when you found them with Kass Hall
12/09/2021
Episode 225 - Leaving people better than when you found them with Kass Hall
In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful Kass Hall. I’ve met Kass this year, as she’s finally moved up to Brisbane after many prior moves down south. This is a really interesting chat with a very special person, and I think there’s a lot to take from Kass’s story. Kass is a lawyer, an artist, a teacher, a humanitarian, and an AFL enthusiast. She’s had a diverse background in both her career and her life experience, and has come into the law as a graduate a little later in life after a prior career in teaching. She is passionate about kindness and helping others, being candid in our struggles, and emphasizes the importance of owning your experiences and struggles in order to learn and grow. Kass takes us through the difficulties in beginning a legal career after having previous vocations, the realities of health struggles and how they can put life on hold, and the ultimate importance of knowing how and when to say, ‘I am not okay’ – which applies to mental health as much as it does to physical health. She has also struggled with her mental and physical health extensively over her lifetime, and has developed a unique resilience and perspective from these challenges. Ultimately, Kass’s life experience – both in law and outside of it – is a really powerful story for anyone looking to find their place and make their mark on the world. The bottom line of Kass’s story, and they key piece in her finding happiness? While we can't control what happens through our lives, what we can control is our responses to these challenges. In this interview, Kass Hall and I also chatted about - If Kass was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher, which she was in her earlier days. She is an avid AFL Football fan and grew up in inner-city Melbourne. Yelling at a football game always gives Kass an emotional boost and is a great outlet. Kass' parents are both in the police force and she shares some childhood experiences. At the young age of 12, Kass was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer, which has had a lasting impact on her. The risky and long-lasting procedures Kass endured as a child, and having life-changing decisions made on your behalf. Kass' mental health and the impact her illness has had on her life. 'You cannot be physically healthy unless you are mentally healthy.' Control in our lives is lacking - all you can control is your reaction. Learning to say 'I'm not okay today', and Kass' tips for walking alongside someone dealing with mental health struggles. 'Don't be afraid to screw up - life goes on.' Losing a partner at age 21 and how she coped with this event. Getting to the end of her visual arts degree before going into teaching. Her four cancer re-occurrences and the miracle surgery. Kass wrote a book before her 4th cancer re-occurrence, and how this journey led her to become a legal studies teacher. Kass' passion is to represent young people in a more impactful way. The move to Brisbane just before the pandemic hit and her difficulty in finding work. Kass' passion for young people, justice and fariness. Kass encourages everyone she meets to seek legal advice of some sort before self-represening. Leaving people better than when you found them; 'It's not about me - I want to be the one to push others forward.' Kass's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kass Hall. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 224 - Passion, Purpose and Pepsi Max - Finding a New Way with Carolyn Devries
12/02/2021
Episode 224 - Passion, Purpose and Pepsi Max - Finding a New Way with Carolyn Devries
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Carolyn Devries. Carolyn has been someone who has been working in a similar space to me for a long time, and finally getting to sit down and talk with her has been such a pleasure. She is running the first ever privately owned not-for-profit law firm in the family space in Australia, ‘New Way Lawyers’, and she has found a very different way of structuring a law practice! When we think of innovation in law, the focus is often on legal technology or the financial benefits, and Carolyn's perspective has been a really refreshing way to reflect on legal innovation with an emphasis on the humans involved. It was quite some time ago that we did this interview, as is the chaos of 2021 for me, but it really was such a poignant discussion. Carolyn is an incredible person who has lived an exceptional life, driven by her values and purpose in every space of her life and career. From a farming property in a small country town in NSW, she has travelled the world and taken time to carve her own path – a path that has led her to ‘New Way Lawyers’. Carolyn has created a very unique and holistic practice that makes legal help more accessible. ‘New Way Lawyers’ exists to help guide separating families – regardless of financial situation – through the hardest time of their lives. Not only does Carolyn's team help legally, but they also give emotional and practical support to their clients too. She has created a unique business that embraces both a legal and not-for-profit framework to create a practice that is both incredibly innovative and deeply empathetic. There is a strong sense of peace and freedom for Carolyn in knowing that she is where she is meant to be – in her family, career, faith, and home in Brisbane. Carolyn offers us a lot of learnings in regards to finding happiness in the law, and her passion, values, purpose and sense of humour are key pieces in that. In this interview, Carolyn and I also chatted about- If Carolyn was not a lawyer, she would love to review musicals and books! However, ultimately, law is her calling. Carolyn’s upbringing and travels – from rural NSW to Northern Canada, Namibia, Kakadu and Nullabor with her husband (and later children!) Her pathway to law; decided to study law as she describes herself as being a ‘typical candidate’, however, she hated studying it until she began to work with clients and realised that it could be a pathway to help people. Sharing her difficulties in the confronting nature of criminal law, and how this resulted in her closing the door on law for a while. After moving to Kakadu, Carolyn became involved in the not-for-profit sector working with First Nation Australians. Through this work, she found a deep passion that led her to her Masters in the management of not-for-profit organisations. While in Canada and continuing her Masters, Carolyn’s realisation that while she had ‘closed the door’ on law, it was not locked. The puzzle pieces of Carolyn’s experiences, chance meetings and how this brought her to a place of contentment. The beginnings of New Way Law Firm – Australia’s first not for profit law firm. The moment of fear, and how Carolyn overcame these fears with passion and purpose. The team at New Way and the ‘more than people’ attitude of the firm. Carolyn explains ‘Social Franchising’ and how her firm works. How New Way delivers client care activities outside of the traditional legal sphere, including the weekly ‘Client Care Blog’ and her in-court client support. The benefits of moving the measure of success from the cash to the customer. The importance in seeing family law as an experience, as opposed to as a service. Innovation in law, usually connected to technology, is now shifting to customer service. How vital it is to surround yourself with supportive voices! Working from a place of values and purpose gives you the peace and freedom that come from doing what you love. Carolyn’s tips for students coming into the law, and her encouragement to cross-learn. Faith, Family and Pepsi Max! Carolyn’s Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Carolyn Devries *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 223 - Embrace the silly with Danae Younger
11/21/2021
Episode 223 - Embrace the silly with Danae Younger
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Danae Younger. These days Danae is a Barrister here in Brisbane with a beautifully diverse practice. Her career in law has been a fascinating one- from private practice to stints at the Public Guardian and the Crime and Corruption Commission. Danae also has a beautiful perspective on life and law and shared lots of great advice, particularly for anyone considering a move to the private Bar. And while I thoroughly enjoyed our discussion about life in the law, I was so thrilled for the excuse to discuss my other passion in life-Dance! It turns out that Danae and I have a shared love of all things performing arts and while we are both more connoisseurs than participants these days, Danae threw on her dancing shoes this year and joined the Brisbane Festival in the 'Common People Dance Eisteddfod' something that sounds right up my ally! But for all our chat about dance, Danae's message is an important one- that when we create space for fun or even a bit of silly in our lives it has a wonderful impact on our wellbeing. In this interview, Danae and I also chatted about- If Danae was not a lawyer she would have been an editor as her passion for writing has always been a part of her life. The performing arts and the joy that this creative outlet brings to so many in the law. The thrill and anxiety of performing and the advantage of this skill set in law. Danae was born and bred in Brisbane and shares her traditional path into the law. The reason Danae chose the law, as well as her time in journalism and the performing arts. Not everything you do needs to lead to something - there is value in passions outside of the law. Her time as an Article Clerk and the practice areas she enjoyed. Working as a paralegal for an insurance firm and how she makes connections in this field. Business services, wills and estates vs criminal law. The value of a mentor and how they are able to drive your passion. The importance of speaking up, which led Danae to her preferred path of Criminal Law. Working for the Government was a way to receive a more flexible work arrangement. Danne's time challenging investigative powers and testing to ensure due diligence. Danae's decision to join the Private Bar and her experience of the Bar Course. Her time as a public guardian and what is involved in this work. Life as a woman in the bar - the pros and cons. Danae pushes herself to build her skills and communication. Women connections and the briefing policy at the Bar. As a barrister, Danae enjoys the flexibility and balance in life this work brings. The Common People Dance Eisteddfod and the connections she has made with others who 'embrace the silly.' Finding joy in activities outside the law and the role of laughter on your happiness. Danae's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Danae Younger. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 221 - Law is What We Do, Not Who We Are with Nick Dore
10/07/2021
Episode 221 - Law is What We Do, Not Who We Are with Nick Dore
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Nick Dore. Nick is someone who I have learnt a lot from, particularly in the past 12 months. I wanted to bring in Nick this week, as it is mental health week here in Australia and Nick has a whole lot of helpful things to say about this topic. From his own lived experience to a very successful and equally demanding career in the law, Nick's perspective on the importance of sharing our narratives, seeking help and looking after each other makes him the perfect guest for this important week. Nick is a criminal lawyer who helped to create Fisher Dore, a renowned Law Firm, here in sunny Brisbane. Brisbane is where Nick has been based for the majority of his life (despite his best efforts to escape to the Caribbean!). Outside of being a successful criminal lawyer, Nick is a very down-to-earth person with a strong sense of humour and a great deal of love for his wife and kids. Something that both Nick and I hold very close to our hearts is mental health awareness, and one of the main pieces we discuss here is the personal and professional changes – both positive and negative – that have occurred in the past year since Covid emerged in this space. At the end of the day, while someone who has spent most of his life dedicated to building up his firm, Nick has put a lot of emphasis on being a human first, and a lawyer second. While ‘being human’ is a flexible term here (for Nick it means taking the kids to swimming, going to Sizzler and playing Call of Duty), the bottom line of being yourself and knowing when to ask for help is something that is vitally important. Nick’s sense of humour and candidness in tackling these tough discussions is something that I think we could all learn from going forward. In this interview, Nick and I also chatted about- If Nick was not a lawyer, he would have continued to run a video store, which was his full-time job in university. Nick's experience at both Griffith and UQ studying law and film, and shares his experience of University in the late 90s. Nick's wife Marie - how they met, and how their careers have aligned. His early experience of working in Woodridge in Criminal and Personal Injury law. Working as an Articled Clerk and the different types of matters he dealt with. The emotional resilience which is required to maintain a passion for Criminal Law. Nick shares the beginnings of Fisher Dore in April 2006 and the start-up experience. The award-winning culture of Fisher and Dore and gender balance in the law. How Nick manages the mental impact of the pandemic on his staff. The creative flow has resulted from the pandemic within legal aid. The loss of Judge Guy Andrew in 2020 and, this impact on Nick as a close personal friend. Nick's personal experience in seeing a psychologist, and how this introspection has helped him learn and grow as a person. The stigma and fear attached to discussions of mental illness, death and suicide in our community, and the importance of being candid about struggles and grief in order to help ourselves and others into the future. Nick's tips for balancing your workload and your personal health in law to create sustainability and longevity for your legal career. Time lost, and the lifestyle shift Nick has experienced over the past year. Managing client and staff expectations, and Nicks practical tips for time management. The future (and some past stories) of Fisher Dore. The value of networking and showing interest in people as human beings. Nick's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Nick Dore and this week I am including some important phone numbers for the wonderful services that are available for you or anyone you know who might need to talk at any time. on 13 11 14 on 1800 551 800 on 1300 789 978 on 1300 659 467 on 1300 224 636 on 1800 650 890 *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 222 - Building your portfolio career with Athlete Advocate Alex Sinatra
09/30/2021
Episode 222 - Building your portfolio career with Athlete Advocate Alex Sinatra
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Alex Sinatra. I think Alex best described her role(s) now when she said she has a 'portfolio career'. My take on this descriptor is that Alex has brought together her unique knowledge and experience to build a career in law that has many aspects but is a perfect fit for her. At the time I recorded this interview with Alex we were both in the midst of following our world leading athletes at the Tokyo Olympics and it made for a fascinating conversation as Alex has both a personal background as a competitive gymnast but also now works in the sports law space. That coupled with her biological connection to Frank Sinatra had me so intrigued during this chat. Each day in Alex's work life is different and this is how she likes it. She is a true example of building a career that brings together your passions, interests and talents which has at the heart of it happiness- all the things you know I love! In this interview, Alex and I also chatted about- If Alex was not a lawyer she would have been an actress or a model. Alex grew up in the United States and currently resides in Texas. She came from a multi-cultural background and yes - is related to the famous Sinatra family! Many Alex's family members are in the medical field and she discusses her expectations of COVID in the next few years. Originally, Alex set out to become a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and completed 2 years of pre-med. After deciding medicine was not for her, she made the switch to law and business. Alex always had goals to combine sport into a career and shares why this was so important for her. Alex shares how student-athletes were unable to profit from their name, image and likeness, and her involvement in changing these regulations. The world of social media and the profits that can now feely be made by athletes. The NCAA and Alex's passion for becoming an Advocate for Athletes. The world of Gymnastics and the pressure athletes are under both domestically and abroad. Alex shares her perspective on the parallels between sport and our work as lawyers. Mental Health and recognising we, as lawyers and individuals are important as well. The TLAP program and the ability to check-in anonymously on a colleague if concerned for their mental health. The eye-opening moment of working in Family Law, her experience working in this area and her motivation to change direction. Alex's first experience in sports law and her growth in leadership and management. Working on USA today writing for the NFL and how she intentionally curated her career over many years. Pivoting during the pandemic and the beginnings of 'Your Potential For Everything'. Alex has taken her practice of law and coupled it with her passion for sports and says, 'the puzzle has now fallen into place.' The value of networking and how to prove you are a good investment. Alex encourages us to follow our path and stay in our own lane. As lawyers, we are taught perfection or failure and dealing with those expectations. She says 'Have that faith in yourself. Recognise that it will not be easy, but if you're doing what you want to do it will be enjoyable.' Contentment balanced with striving for more without comparison. Alex's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Alex Sinatra *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 220 - Simple Courage with Heather Hubbard
09/13/2021
Episode 220 - Simple Courage with Heather Hubbard
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing one great lawyer and now the founder of 'Simple Courage,' Heather Hubbard. Heather and I have been connected with one another online for years, as we are working on very similar things despite being across the world from one another. She is someone who inspires me a lot, especially with her work in the space of finding courage and joy. Heather has spent her life on a mission to speak out and change the world for the better. From her childhood in a small, conservative town in Kentucky, she has been determined to achieve her dreams and prove wrong anyone who told her otherwise. Heather has practiced in law firms of all sizes, and found a specialty in holistic strategy and advice. She is the founder of 'All Rise' and more recently, 'Simple Courage', both of which are businesses with a focus on helping people achieve their goals. What makes Heather so special is her ability to see the bottom line of what stops us from reaching these goals; fear. 'Simple Courage' was founded to hone in on this aspect, and help people to discover themselves and give us the courage to reach (and surpass) our ambitions. A piece that I particularly love that Heather focuses on is her belief in finding moments of play, joy and mindfulness in our lives. This podcast may seem a little left of field, as Heather is, in her words, an 'inactive' attorney - but I think her focus on fear, courage and play is incredibly poignant and relevant to lawyers at all stages of their lives and careers. There is a lot of power in Simple Courage. In this interview, Heather and I also chatted about- The importance of certainty for our wellbeing and we discuss the impact of the pandemic this past year. If Heather was not a lawyer, she would have been doing what she is now - an online business where she is a speaker. Women in the law who have taken their skills to the next level. The beauty of social media and the sense of belonging that is achievable in this space. Heather grew up as a small-town girl in Kentucky where she knew, early on, that she wanted to challenge societal norms. Her time at Vanderbilt Law School and her path into law. Heather's goal was to work in Entertainment and Intellectual Property Law and she shares her 'hustle; approach. 'Fancy law-firm America' and the overwork culture. Heather's reasoning for leaving the law to follow her dreams to become a leader and speaker. The initial version of 'Simple Courage' and her learnings from this time. Giving yourself permission to have fun. Problem-solving and the experimental part of pivoting in business. The beginner mindset or the curious mindset and the value of questioning your life. The beginnings of Simple Courage and the evolution to a holistic approach. When an idea pulls at your heart you need to listen. The worry around failure and Heather's tips for overcoming this fear. Courage is an act so, get uncomfortable because courage is contagious. Our assumptions of roles and expectations - these are the root of our beliefs. Authenticity and the law can go hand in hand if we have the confidence to do so. Heather's perspective on the legal identity and how we can step out in a different way. Outside of work, Heather is creative and shares the value of creativity in the law. Heather gives us the discount code HappyLawyer for her Sit back and enjoy this interview with Heather Hubbard. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 219 - Embracing the Chaos with Kristal Naividi
07/21/2021
Episode 219 - Embracing the Chaos with Kristal Naividi
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast,' I had the pleasure of interviewing solicitor Kristal Naividi. Kristal is someone who I hadn’t had the opportunity to properly chat to prior to recording together, and really embodies what is so special about this podcast. Kristal’s sense of humour, kindness, resilience and ability to focus on the bigger picture are things that have really stood out for me – as well as her spectacular ability to embrace the chaos life brings! Kristal has not followed a conventional path to law. In fact, her first experiences with the legal system came as a part of growing up in public housing across the road from the Long Bay Jail in Eastern Sydney! While her journey into law was non-linear, Kristal now runs her own firm – Coastal Lawyers – and is doing her Masters. In fact, Kristal was drawn to criminal law and family law as her lived experience growing up has given her a lot of insight into how people end up where they are. As a result, she can provide an unusual level of empathy and perspective for her clients. Beginning as a legal secretary after seeing studying law at university as unattainable, Kristal has since become a qualified lawyer, worked for 12 years with the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) in difficult, varied cases across NSW. However, in 2020, she started finding the build-up of vicarious trauma harder to leave at work – so Kristal decided she wanted to start something new. Kristal started her law firm ‘Coastal Lawyers’ last year, 6 weeks before the Covid-19 lockdown hit - with three boys under 6 at home! Despite this, Kristal has continued to grow her business, run around with her boys, and work in a space that lets her passion for hearing the stories of others really shine. Kristal’s superpower is her ability to view speed-bumps in life as learning experiences, and to see the bright side of life in even the most difficult cases. Her story is a great reminder to be kind, to listen, to ride the wave, and to remember that even in the toughest days in #lawland, the sun will rise the next day. In this interview, Kristal and I also chatted about- Kristal’s lockdown tips – lower your expectations, prioritize, and keep your routine! Kindness is not weakness. What would Kristal be in an alternate life? A singer or a psychologist! Growing up and living on the Central Coast, how her upbringing shaped her career. Her non-linear path into law. Benefits and difficulties in working for the DDP. Her start-up business journey through Covid. A day in the life; Kristal’s tips for lawyering as a mum. Clients, and knowing when to say no! The importance of teams and communities. Non-lawyer life – the chaos of a house of boys, and how this helped her law firm! Stressors in life and law, and how she manages these. Mental health issues and the law, and the impact this has. Her influences in law, and where she’d like to be in 10 years. The benefits of having her own firm – flexibility, and what works best for her priorities. Kristal’s thoughts on family law, and the differences between family and criminal law. Her ‘magic wand’ wishes, and her favourite guilty pleasure TV show. Kristal’s happiness tip! Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kristal Naividi. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 218 - Empathy, Duty and Making a Difference with Adair Donaldson
07/13/2021
Episode 218 - Empathy, Duty and Making a Difference with Adair Donaldson
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Adair Donaldson. This episode has been a long time in the making! I have known Adair for a few years, and he is someone that I have a lot of respect for both professionally and personally. Adair is someone who takes responsibility and ethical duty very seriously and is incredibly passionate and dedicated to his work. Adair has dedicated his career to helping people, and in helping make a lasting difference – to individuals and to the legal system – through his role as a lawyer and as an educator. Adair’s practice, Donaldson Law, specialises in advocating for victims of sexual abuse. What makes Donaldson Law so special is its focus is not just the traditional route of legal assistance. Adair has created Donaldson Law as a practice that takes a far more holistic, understanding and healing approach to their clients. He focuses on the human factor; the trust in listening to and sharing stories, and being able to assure clients that their stories are heard, believed, and going to be shared to make a difference. Adair’s passion, dedication and determination in law is a great example of what law can offer – to both practitioners and clients – in creating and sustaining a better world. In this interview, Adair and I also chatted about- Adair's calling to become a lawyer (and his inspiration, Atticus Finch!) Mentors and the importance of educating the younger generation. The 4 A's of Abuse for survivors - Acknowledgement, Apology, Assurance and Assistance. Adair's background and lasting roots in regional Queensland. His work with Shine Lawyers, and his decision to create a different way of doing the law. The beginnings of Donaldson Law in 2016, and the value of working with his wife. The decision to start the national office in Sydney before opening in Toowoomba. Grinders, minders, finders and cupcakes! Increasing exposure for Violence Against Women, and what steps need to take place for long-term change. Defining sexual harassment and giving others the strength to speak out. Making a difference in sports for the next generation and Sport Integrity Australia. Adair's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Adair Donaldson. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 217 - Carving out joy with Michelle Snape
06/24/2021
Episode 217 - Carving out joy with Michelle Snape
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Michelle Snape. I have come to know Michelle thanks to her involvement in my Mastermind Program this past year. I have often asked myself if perhaps I have learned more from Michelle than she from me in that setting and I have really come to know her as one of the wisest, kindest and impressive lawyers (and humans) I have met in my time. She is also the last person to share her own successes so I am hoping I have managed to do that for her in this interview. When it comes to legal innovation, often the conversation is centred around firms in metropolitan areas, tech solutions or 'new law' organisations. We rarely hear of the many innovative practices occuring in smaller towns around our regional centres and this is a story of 2 of those. Michelle is one of the most innovative lawyers I know, running two very different practices on the central coast of NSW. You just won't probably have heard much about any of that until now as she prefers to focus on the doing more than the saying! I could talk for hours about Michelle's achievements but they are best summed up by two things- firstly she has become known in our Mastermind group as 'The Oracle' because she forever has the wise advice that we have all needed on all sorts of things this past year. And she is also the subject of my next 'Celebrating the Cool' brooch for the month of July as I felt her 'coolness' needed to be captured in a brooch too! In this interview, Michelle and I also chatted about- If Michelle was not a lawyer she would have been Amish with wifi! Michelle's mother was a teacher and her father was a diesel mechanic which took them all around the country in her childhood. Growing up, Michelle was creative with an interest in the performing arts but was also very academic. This theme seems to have continued into her career. Michelle started her career as a school teacher and how this led to her 'accidentally' enrolling in the law. Not that her hands weren't already full after having 2 children, she decided that she should study law 'just because', finishing her 6-year legal studies in just 4 years. She didn't plan on becoming a lawyer and Michelle shared how that came to be after a chance meeting. Michelle explains 'Creatures of Place' and the asbestos cases she worked on in her first few years of law. In the early 2000s, Michelle started her blog, 'A Vision Splendid'- she was a blogger before that was even a thing and has some funny stories to share here! As a result of her blog, Michelle started to write books, publish articles all while actively living a 1930's lifestyle. Michelle then moved on to a myriad of projects - TAFE legal teaching, instructional design, accessible education all of which eventually led to her opening her own legal firm. The chambers model which Michelle started with a colleague and the application for rural firms. Now, Michelle has two law firms that run on a 'digital vs 'analogue model and the advantages of both. Regional law firms are the hidden gems of the industry. Life balance vs work-life integration. The process of working through life challenges give you resilience. Michelle's analysis of joy. Presence, the cult of busyness focusing on the now and slowing it down. Michelle's perspective on law in the current times. Michelle's foundational habit morning routine and why we all need one. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Michelle Snape. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 216 - Where Are They Now!
06/15/2021
Episode 216 - Where Are They Now!
It has been almost 5 years since I kicked off this podcast and over those years I have met some really remarkable lawyers and something I am often asked is 'where are they now!' This week I decided to answer that question with 3 of my earliest guests on this show- Janelle Kerrisk, Mel Storey-Scott and Dugald Hamilton. I interviewed Mel back in 2016 when she was working our at the Brisbane Airport. She now works in-house for a global technology company. She says, 'The difference is like a cruise ship vs a jet ski!'. On a personal level, in our last interview, Mel was just about to enter into her first (and only) bodybuilding competition. She ended up in the top 6 however, the toll on her body sent her into a depression. She says, 'I wasn't a very happy lawyer after we last spoke, but I learnt a lot about my discipline, boundaries and what I wasn't willing to put myself through.' The last time we spoke in episode 82, Dugald was only a year into the journey. So, now that we are a few years down the line Dugald, along with growing his firm, has become involved in the legal hackathon and shares his passion for risk management, technology, cybersecurity, disputes and mental health. He is growing his firm and says 'I'm playing around with a lot of automation and some projects which will be disclosed soon!' When we spoke on episode 14 with Janelle she had 1-year-old twin boys (who are now in grade one) and had just started 'I would say I'm considerably more tired now, but my enthusiasm levels are still there and I still believe in doing law differently' says Janelle. She has kicked some amazing goals including running an international arbitration, building a 3 city law firm and setting up online products just to name a few. She has also managed to scale while maintaining a niche market. Janelle says, 'I do feel like I am working towards a meaningful purpose and it has been really beautiful to have that in my life over the last 5 years. ' These 3 lawyers are 3 of my favourites- they are all leaders and always have an interesting perspective on things so I decided they were the perfect bunch to bring together to tackle some of the big issues in our profession at the moment- mental health, the impact of COVID19 and workplace harassment and bullying. These are big topics but these 3 have so much to say that we can all learn from. So, what is going well in this COVID climate we are experiencing? Well, Janelle has noticed an awakening through COVID in the legal sector which has proven that change is possible in the law. When Covid hit, Dugald was fortunate enough to hire a new staff member who had been let go from a large firm, who as a result has been able to learn about micro-firms and increase his knowledge base as he assists Dugald at 23Legal. 'From the general legal population, we are starting to see lawyers re-evaluate their career paths. They are starting to question the long hours and are starting to value their home life more'. Mel added, 'I also feel like the walls just came down. When everyone was home we saw the full human experience and I don't think we realise how valuable that was.' In contrast, there are always things that don't go so well. Dugald shares a funny story about 'Dropbox' and the long way to go we have law-land when it comes to embracing change. 'The mental health aspect of COVID and the way in which it is portrayed is becoming a massive issue' says Dugald. Mel says, 'I think we are having a 'me too' moment in the legal profession, in that we are starting to uncover what we knew was actually going on. It is disturbing, but it is ultimately for the better, although it may be uncomfortable.' We then dive deep into a conversation around the responsibility of law firms and the generational changes we have seen as the law catches up to the expectations of society within this space. All of this change in the law has led to a positive uptake in expectations. 'There is a new generation of lawyers who are willing to stand up and have a voice' says Janelle. 'The clients are also expecting better lawyers and better practices within our firms' says Dugald. There are so many more young women who are coming through law and the definition of success has also shifted within the industry. 'At some point, the gold stars are not enough. There is no meaning' says Mel. Students are starting to see that there are different pathways into the law and the re-framing of conversations that are required in Educational Institutions. There is no right way to do the law and the pathways are opening up drastically. 'The very first conversations I heard around the value of happiness in the law came from you (Clarissa) and I realised it was ok for me to want to be happy' shares Janelle 'Now I base a lot of my law-land existence around that concept.' The science of happiness proves it leads to a longer life, better decision making, calmer people, it is contagious. Clarissa says, 'When we think about what you want for our kids want in life - its happiness. We need to value that ourselves if we want that for the people closest to us in life.' Happiness also makes you a better lawyer! 'The selling point to law firms is - Happiness Pays' says Dugald and goes on to explain this concept. 'When we talk about diversity, it is about the diversity of thought, experience and patterns which leads to growth' says Mel. We switch topics to client-centric law firms, innovation and if they can be combined in legal practice. The answer - yes! 'When we think about innovation we are thinking about adding value, and it's not just tech-led solutions' says Mel, 'we need to think about the client, come from a place of empathy and ask how we can add value.' Clarissa then brought out a bedazzled tissue box, which led to a conversation around comfort and safety for a client. 'This is where technology, innovation and even a tissue-box can bring people back to a level where they can make comprehensive decisions about their future' says Dugald. Finally, we are lucky enough to get three happiness tips. 'Have conversations' says Janelle 'listen to people outside of your box, reach out and make the decisions that are right for you.' 'The biggest thing I have learnt is to be kind to yourself. You've got to be led from a place of love for yourself and give yourself some slack- you're doing an awesome job' says Mel. Dugald rounds up by saying, 'Be you. If you are not authentically who you are, you will never be happy.' *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. 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Episode 215 - Creating space to live the life you desire with Jenna Du Preez
06/03/2021
Episode 215 - Creating space to live the life you desire with Jenna Du Preez
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing criminal lawyer Jenna Du Preez. Jenna is practicing from the North Queensland town of Mackay and in this interview we discussed the many advantages that Jenna has encountered since establishing her firm in that region. Jenna launched her own business at the beginning of 2020, just before everything turned upside down, so it was really fascinating to hear how Jenna navigated her very new business through those early months of lockdown when Courts were not hearing matters and things were at a bit of a standstill. When she is not being a lawyer, Jenna is hanging out with her 2 beautiful daughters and family. I had a good chuckle hearing how fishing is not at all on Jenna's list of things to do even though it is a hobby for many in her local area! And I think my favourite part of this interview was hearing how Jenna has built herself a business in law that enables her the best of both worlds- the ability to do the work she really enjoys but in a way that enables her to be with her family in the way she wants to be. In this interview, Jenna Du Preez and I also chatted about- Jenna cannot imagine herself as anything but a lawyer, except for perhaps a chef. She grew up west of Mackay in sunny Northern Queensland and moved to Brisbane to attend Griffith University where she fell right into the city life. The drawcard to law for Jenna and how she came to find herself in the world of Criminal Law and found her way back to Mackay. Jenna's time working for probation and parole which, sparked her interest in the psychology behind criminal offences. After working in the criminal defence space she had her two children and sought balance in her legal career. Jenna opened her own firm 'Valiant Lawyers' right at the end of 2019, just before the COVID lockdowns. The human psychology that sits behind behaviours and Jenna's perspective on defending criminals. The aspects of Criminal law that Jenna enjoys and, what keeps her passion going in this difficult field. We discuss the Domestic Violence space and the changes we have seen over the recent past and, the changes that still need to be made. Jenna shares what she loves about working for herself as a solopreneur. The gifts that 2020 gave us in the legal space and the change in perspective towards working from home. A day in the life of Jenna as a working mother of 2 and a reluctant fisherwoman. The culture of overwork and the law and managing those self expectations. Jenna's advice top tips for those considering stepping out and starting their own business. Criminal Law has only recently become a more female-driven landscape and Jenna's experience of harassment in this space. Jenna is a living, breathing example of the change that is possible for women in the legal industry and the opportunities that are now accepted by the broader profession. Humour, play and fun and their contribution to happiness as a lawyer. Jenna's Happiness Tips. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Jenna Du Preez. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 214 - Embracing technology and trying new things with Fiona McLay
05/10/2021
Episode 214 - Embracing technology and trying new things with Fiona McLay
In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing my good friend . Fiona and I crossed paths a few years ago now and she is someone I have learned so much from because she is my go to #legaltechguru! She is the person that just knows what tech is around and what might work for firms of all shapes and sizes and this passion for legal technology has fast become a business for Fiona. Fiona is a commercial litigator by trade- a role she has learned so much from having had the chance to work in law firms from the very large to the very small. It is this cross section of experience across our profession that has really helped her when it comes to her tech business too. Fiona is another quiet achiever in law and when she is not off 'lawyering' she loves creative endeavors- from film school to watercolour and photography. Fiona and I spent the weekend together last weekend at our quarterly business Mastermind so I have had the advantage of seeing in live time the great ideas she has to help us all with our tech for the future and I took this chance to pin her down to her favourite tools for us all to consider! Fiona and I also chatted about- If Fiona was not a lawyer she would have been a journalist as she loves uncovering people's stories. Fiona grew up in Sydney but moved last year to Melbourne (right before the lockdown eek!). Fiona's mum was a solicitor and Fiona shares the generational differences and similarities between the law now and then. Starting her studies in accounting, Fiona's favourite subject was law so she made the switch and shares her experience of studying. Fiona received a summer clerkship and a graduate position in medical malpractice litigation. A day in the life of a litigation lawyer. The impact of your working team environment and Fiona's observations from contrasting law firms. Fiona's approach to life outside of the law, and how that resulted in enrolling in a film course. During her time as a litigation lawyer, Fiona came to see the value in tech and how it could be used to enable her to improve her work processes. Fixed value pricing and the patience required to change process. Finding a business coach, along with 'The Club' gave Fiona answers she was looking for on how to build her business - her way. With the right tech behind her, Fiona stepped out into the world of freelance litigation and started her Masters at the College of Law looking at the Business of law. Off the back of her learnings, Fiona started her side-hustle, highlighting tech tools to help lawyers grow their respective businesses. Crunch, Bundle Docs and other Apps that Fiona loves. So, which Practice Management Software should we use? Fiona says, 'That is the wrong question - Ask what do you want the software to do for you.' Fiona gives us her top tips for refining your list of requirements to find a practice management solution that works for your business. Outside of work, Fiona has taken up watercolour sketching and finds the irregularity of it a good contrast to her legal work. The future for Fiona and what we can expect from her this year. Change management and how to bring in new projects and systems to your team. Fiona's favourite tools: Syntheia, FamilyProperty, Microsoft teams planner integration, Insights for Office 365. AI integrated coaches and Fiona's perspective on how the law should be approaching AI. Fiona has found her Tribe in The Club, and she shares why this is so critical. Knowing your wellness warning signs are and preparing your first aid kit with tools to help you lift yourself up. Women who are leaving law firms and where they are going and why that may not be the big problem it is sometimes pitched as. Fiona's Happiness Tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Fiona McLay. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 213 - It's ok to fall down - it's what you do after that matters with Michele Davis
05/05/2021
Episode 213 - It's ok to fall down - it's what you do after that matters with Michele Davis
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing solicitor Michele Davis. I have come to know Michele this past few years through her work as a lawyer of course but also as a writer, teacher and advocate. I would describe Michele as a one of a kind 'law nerd'! She has the perfect mix of a deep love of an understanding of her speciality coupled with a kind hearted soul that makes her a pretty unique find in #lawland. What I didn't know about Michele is that her path to her law career was anything but predictable. Having left High School in Grade 12 after a difficult experience with bullying I suspect 17 year old Michele could never have predicted where her life would take her. Fast forward a few years and she returned to TAFE to complete her Grade 11 and 12 studies before commencing university while holding down a full time job. Michele fell into a role in wills and estates early in her career and has not looked back since. The past 12 months have thrown Michele a series of curve balls, the most significant of which has been a chronic health condition that has meant she has once again had to pivot her career path. But as is so often the case, these challenges tend to mean new opportunities and I suspect it is Michele's 'roll with the punches' approach to life that means she just keeps finding those wins even when things are upside down. In this interview, Michele and I also chatted about- If Michele was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher as she has a love for sharing information and helping others learn. You have to be creative to be able to problem-solve. Michele was born in Sydney but has lived in Brisbane most of her life. Michele took an untraditional path to the law as she was bullied in high school and left at a young age. Following school, she worked full-time in a pharmacy while she put herself through study. Michele was admitted in 2011 and fell in love with Wills and Estates. She has always had an interest in the theory of law and defines herself as a 'law nerd'. Her path to law has given Michele the life experience to be able to connect with others on a deeper level. Michele's experience of bullying in high school and her decision to choose herself rather than her education. School is different to real life, as is the theory of law vs the practice of law. In 2004, Michele was the first hire in a brand new law firm in conveyancing and, as she says, 'if you can handle conveyancing you can handle anything.' Michele fell into wills and estates law which she says gives her the perfect balance of human connection and depth in theory and problem-solving. Why Michele will never stop learning. Michele has recently discovered she has a chronic connected-tissue disorder and the impact this has had on her life. After being offered a scholarship to do her PhD, Michele's health took a down-turn and she had to let this opportunity go. As a result, she started her own legal practice while also being offered a role at the College of Law as the Practice Area Leader in Wills and Estates. Michele's process for getting over the hurdles that life throws and, the way she re-joins a path. 'Your career is like a jungle-gym, not a ladder'- Ann-Maree David. The decision to start her law firm, 'Michele Davis Estate Law' and her approach to providing legal services to her clients, while balancing her heath. Michele's creative passion appears in different ways - website design, writing, lecturing, products, courses and blogging. Words are so powerful and as Michele writes, in any context, she leads with kindness. Lawyer wellness and Michele's perspective on the changes we have seen in this space. Human connection in contrast with the law and the risk factor associated with it - Paralysis by analysis. Michele's approach to social commentary online and responding to negativity. Mentorship and Michele's advocacy for young lawyers to create connections. The future for Michele as she navigates life and the law. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Michele Davis. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 212 - Defining your success both in law and in life with with John Chisholm
04/27/2021
Episode 212 - Defining your success both in law and in life with with John Chisholm
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful John Chisholm. John aptly describes himself these days as a 'recovering lawyer' but I soon came to learn that his passion for the profession is deeply ingrained. John is a third generation lawyer, and you might say followed a family legacy that has been built across 60 years and started with John's Grandfather at the firm Maddocks. It is clear that John has achieved incredible success in his career in law- from Articled Clerk to Managing Partner at one of the country's largest firms but it was John's definition of and perspective on the concept of success that had me intrigued in this conversation. John left private practice in 2004 and since that time has been consulting to firms all around the world and is a leader in law firm innovation. John's passion for abolishing the billable hour, rethinking the markers of success in law businesses and building a sustainable future for lawyers has driven his career this past decade and I can personally say his influence on so many of us who are following in his footsteps will mean that his legacy will live for many decades to come. And I would call John a happy lawyer- even if it hasn't always been that way- and I suspect is has been his wife, family and health that keep him that way. In this interview, John and I also chatted about- If John was not a lawyer he would have been an artist. Creativity, the law and the benefits creative activities have on our mental wellbeing. John grew up in Victoria, as the eldest of 4 boys, with a father who was a second-generation lawyer. John's journey into law and how becoming an articled clerk in his father's firm influenced his career. Law firm Maddocks in the 1970s, and how it has changed over the past 40 years. John shares his broader definition of success in the law. John's experience of the technological changes on the legal profession across his career. The drivers of change in law and how busyness and technological changes have impacted the wellbeing of lawyers. Gender and opportunities previously held in the law and the barriers which have been broken. Multi-disciplinary law and our client's perspective of the profession. The role of non-lawyers in law firms. The highlights of John's 9 years as a managing partner at Maddocks at the beginning of his career. John describes himself as a 'recovering lawyer' and his choice to step away in 2005 to find clarity in life. How John fell into the world of consulting and why he made this shift within the legal space. Value pricing and John's passion for this style of billing and how it led into his full-time career. A whole of business shift is required to move away from the billable hour. Profitability and the perception of profit and success. John's mentors and their influence on how John saw success as a lawyer and a person. The benchmark of success, comparisons and competition between legal firms. John's tips for lawyers stepping into the law and how to find fulfilment in their careers. To be a great lawyer you need to enjoy life and John shares his life outside the law. The positive life changes that COVID has had on John's life, (and mine!). John share the importance of boundaries. And finally, John refers us to Ralph Waldo Emerson's definition of success: "To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; … to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child or a garden patch … to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is success.” Sit back and enjoy this interview with John Chisholm. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 211 - Solving problems with respect, communication and kindness with Patric McCallum
04/07/2021
Episode 211 - Solving problems with respect, communication and kindness with Patric McCallum
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Patric McCallum.
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Episode 210 - Be simple, be short, be human with Paul Holmes
03/22/2021
Episode 210 - Be simple, be short, be human with Paul Holmes
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Paul Holmes.
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Episode 209 - Eat, Pray, Love or perhaps Collaborate with Rajan Chettiar
03/12/2021
Episode 209 - Eat, Pray, Love or perhaps Collaborate with Rajan Chettiar
This week I went across the oceans for Happy Lawyer Happy Life the international addition and had the chance to catch up with a wonderful colleague and friend Rajan Chettiar. Rajan is a fellow collaborative family lawyer who practices out of Singapore. Our paths crossed a few years ago thanks to our mutual involvement in the International Academy of Collaborative Professionals and I have been so grateful for social media for enabling us to keep in touch ever since. Rajan began his career in law in a large firm in Singapore practicing in banking litigation but a few years in, he found himself in a place many of us can relate to- feeling pretty burned out and questioning whether life in the law was for him. He embarked upon a 4 week trip around India (aka Eat, Pray, Love) and returned with the idea to start his own family law firm and hasn't looked back since! I have come to know Rajan as a talented Collaborative Lawyer, a wonderful leader and a kind and empathetic professional. In this interview he shared much wise advice on building a fulfilling career in law and ensuring we all find time for 'life' too. In this interview, Rajan and I also chatted about- If Rajan was not a lawyer he would have been a social worker. He has a passion for helping others which he first learned of when volunteering at age 14. Rajan grew up in Singapore and gives us a snapshot of his upbringing and the multicultural aspects of life in Singapore. Singapore is a beautiful country and Rajan describes it as an 'international food paradise'. How Rajan found his way to a career in law. Rajan studied law in both the UK and Singapore and shares his experiences studying across two quite different countries. These days Rajan is an avid cook which he first learned during his time in the UK. Finishing up his studies in the UK Rajan came home to Singapore to sit his bar exam and then worked in a large law firm for 6 years. Although Rajan always had aspirations to help others, his first 6 years in lawland were in banking litigation something he enjoyed but that fast led to burnout. Rajan explains that banking litigation was a good foundation for becoming a lawyer as it taught him ethics, hard work and how to be a good lawyer. The hours Rajan worked in his early years were taxing and brought him to the edge of burn-out. He took a leave of absence and embarked upon a 4 week trip to India. He and I both chuckled at the similarity of this trip with parts of the popular Elizabeth Gilbert 'Eat Pray Love'. While in India, upon reflection, Rajan decided to go back to his core calling - family law. He returned home and set up his own firm. The leadership aspect of owning your own business and managing personalities and emotions in the office. The importance of the support of Rajan's wife in building his business. Hearing the term ' Collaborative Law' for the first time and Rajan's love for the non-adversarial approach to separation. In 2012 Rajan undertook training in Collaborative Practice from a lawyer here in Melbourne and he was able to take his learnings back and kickstart Collaborative Practice in Singapore. The benefits of the collaborative approach. The importance of relationships, a sense of community and their impact on our daily happiness. 'Relationships are at the core of the work that we do - it's really important - for ourselves and the people we work with.' Rajan's tips for managing the stress as a family lawyer and business owner. After two burnouts, Rajan learnt the value of self-care and now needs time alone to recharge. The shift in the conversation around mental health in Singapore. Rajan's Happiness Tip Sit back and enjoy this interview with Rajan Chettiar. *** Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode
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Episode 208 - Value your life outside of the law with Jason Munro.
02/23/2021
Episode 208 - Value your life outside of the law with Jason Munro.
In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing personal injury lawyer and weekend mountaineer Jason Monro. Ok, so mountaineer might be a slight exaggeration but there is no doubt that Jason’s happiness in his day job as a lawyer is well connected to his love of hiking on the weekends. It hasn’t always been that way and in this interview Jason shared with me how he has really shifted his focus to ensure that health is a a priority. Jason has had a fascinating career- starting in the Army, then the Police and now of course as a lawyer. Jason has spent most of his career as a personal injury lawyer and it is an area of the law that he is clearly passionate about and I suspect excels in. Working for the successful national practice, Slater and Gordon, Jason shared with me the successful way his firm has navigated the challenges of the last 12 months and it was really interesting for me, the owner of a small firm, to understand the logistics of navigating a multi-office national practice through the restrictions imposed during this pandemic. Jason is another great example of why there are so many different paths both into law and during our careers that lead to success. In this interview, Jason and I also chatted about- If Jason was not a lawyer he would have been (and was) in the army reserves and a police officer. Born in Papua New Guinea, Jason moved to Brisbane when he was seven. After graduating high school and joining the Army Reserves, Jason moved to Cairns for his first year posting as a police officer. Jason made a switch to study law during his posting as he found he really enjoyed working in police prosecution. After his studies at JCU, he started a 5 year articles at a law firm working between criminal law and personal injury law. The crossover between personal injury law and medicine and the level of knowledge needed to successfully advocate for clients. Jason loves the methodical nature of personal injury law and now works at the Northlakes Slater and Gordon branch. The working environment at Slater and Gordon and the changes he saw during the lockdowns of 2020. Jason is a trained mental health first aid officer and shares how he supports his staff. The efficiencies that have come from court phone and video appearances, as well as time saved in travel. Jason’s perspective on mental health in the legal profession, both during Covid and over the past years. Jason’s own mental health and wellbeing as a result of his lifestyle changes. The all-consuming nature of law and the impact of exercise and good health can have on our careers. Jason’s tips for managing the stresses of working as a lawyer. In Jason’s experience, there are so many different roads to law and the life experience we gain along the way are essential for connecting with clients. No learning is wasted – it is all essential to growth and passion. Jason’s tips for new lawyers coming into law-land. Jason’s happiness tip. Sit back and enjoy this interview with Jason Monro.
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