Hi Everybody - A Bad Medicine Podcast

Doctors talk about what Hollywood gets right and wrong about medicine and how the body works. Each week we discuss how a film or episode of television depicts illnesses, injuries, and the lives of medical professionals. As we wrap up each episode, the film or show being discussed is graded for its medical accuracy in comparison to 2010’s The Human Centipede, which marketed itself as “100% medically accurate.” Rian Johnson’s Knives Out, for example, is considered “140% medically accurate” when compared to The Human Centipede. Luc Besson’s Lucy, meanwhile, was awarded a 10%. Midsommar earned our highest rank yet, at 400% - which means it's roughly four times more medically accurate than The Human Centipede. New episodes Thursdays!

76. Beetlejuice - "The skulls are where the weight is" 11/03/2022

75. Grey's Anatomy: Thriller - "You're giving someone horrible news in a kitty-cat face" 10/28/2022

74. Morbius - "I've got a bat tube guy" 10/13/2022

73. Community: Epidemiology - "That Dunning-Kruger Effect" 10/06/2022

72. The Adventures of Pete and Pete: Sick Day - "Always have an exit plan" 09/29/2022

71. Men in Black - "Where's the pierogi hole?" 09/22/2022

70. The Venture Bros: Are You There God? It's Me, Dean - "Grow a pair and save a pair" 09/08/2022

69. Severance - "Avoidance bad, Severance good" 09/01/2022

68. Major League - "Give me the bat, Marge!" 08/16/2022

BONUS Episode - Bad Medicine and Super Heroes - Live from Wondercon 2022 07/20/2022

67. The Simpsons: HOMR - "The ol' Crayola Oblongata" 07/19/2022

66. Futurama: Parasites Lost - "Dr. Zoidberg - A Medical Corporation" 12/21/2021

65. Sex and the City: And Just Like That - When In Rome - "Time is heart. Time is ball." 12/14/2021

64. Pete and Pete: Field of Pete - "A tiny bit of misinformation infects the whole team with nonsense" 11/30/2021

63. Scrubs: My Lunch - "It's not first in, first out for organs." 11/25/2021

62. Wondercon At Home: Parks and Rec & Bob's Burgers 04/13/2021

Transcript: Wondercon At Home - Parks and Rec & Bob's Burgers - Episode 62 04/12/2021

Transcript: Wondercon At Home - Parks and Rec & Bob's Burgers - Episode 62 Wondercon At Home - Parks and Rec & Bob's Burgers - Episode 62 Hi folks! Here's the transcript from our Wondercon at Home panel, where we discuss and Like the podcast, this transcript is not medical advice. If you catch any errors, let us know in the comments! Johnny Kolasinski: 0:13 Hello WonderCon at Home, I’m Johnny Kolasinski. You might remember me from such podcast as Hi Everybody - A Bad Medicine Panel, The Snyder Cut. It’s just like this panel, but it’s four hours long and it has Jared Leto. This is, Hi Everybody - A Bad Medicine Panel. We’re going to be talking about what Hollywood gets right and wrong about medicine and how the body works. With me today are my co-host, Dr. Jackson Vane. Dr. Jackson Vane: 0:36 Hi everybody. Johnny Kolasinski: 0:38 And Dr. Courtney Nicholas. Dr. Courtney Nicholas: 0:40 Hi everybody. Johnny Kolasinski: 0:41 And Dr. Greg Winter. Dr. Greg Winter: 0:43 What’s up! Hi everybody. Johnny Kolasinski: 0:48 So, you can find this podcast online on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter at @hieverybodyMD or at www.hieverybodymd.com Dr. Jackson Vane: 0:59 Or if you want to call us or leave us a message or text us, you can call us at 530-DOCTORB. That’s 530-362-8672. I guess, the B this week would stand for burgers. I guess it would tie in all the stuff that we’re talking about. Johnny Kolasinski: 1:14 Yeah. Before we get into the two episodes of TV, we’re going to be discussing which is Parks and Recreation, Season 5 Episode 13, Emergency Response, and Bob’s Burgers, the kids run the restaurant, Season 3 Episode 20. I want to... Can you just introduce yourselves to people who don’t know the show and what you do? Dr. Jackson Vane: 1:39 Sure. I’m Jackson Vane. I’m a pediatric emergency medicine doctor here. Dr. Courtney Nicholas: 1:45 My name is Courtney Nicholas. My brother calls me a baby mechanic. So I’m a neonatologist. I take care of the babies in the ICU. Dr. Greg Winter: 1:51 I’m Greg Winter. I am a hospice and palliative care doctor. I deal mainly with people at the end of life or people with severe symptoms that need managing. Johnny Kolasinski: 2:01 And I’m Johnny Kolasinski. And I have no marketable skills. Dr. Greg Winter: 2:06 You do so many podcasts. Dr. Jackson Vane: 2:09 So much hosting. Johnny Kolasinski: 2:12 Let’s talk about the elephant in the room really quickly before we get things started. And the fact that hey, you guys are there, I’m here. Why is that? Dr. Jackson Vane: 2:23 Well, we’re all vaccinated. Since we’re all healthcare providers, we all have to get vaccinated, so we can work. So I mean, we’re still wearing our mask outside of our group of people and especially when we’re in public. But here, since, we’re all in the bubble, we are not wearing a mask right now. And that’s why we’re all here together. And you are unclean, so that is why you’re over there by yourself. Johnny Kolasinski: 2:45 Exactly. Medical podcasters don’t get the same priority. Dr. Greg Winter: 2:49 No. Johnny Kolasinski: 2:49 And it just because we set up this great podcasting studio that we needed to immediately start recording remotely. Dr. Greg Winter: 2:57 I also think it should be known like Jackson and Courtney both got their vaccines before I did, as they are more frontline than I am. I mean, there’s reasons for the rollout that they’re doing. And I’m glad that I can be in the same space with them. But also, we are following the rules. And you should protect yourself and protect your loved ones. It’s not a joke. Johnny Kolasinski: 3:17 Yeah. Dr. Jackson Vane: 3:17 We wish we could be there in real life, but this will be the second best thing we can do. Dr. Greg Winter: 3:22 Third! Johnny Kolasinski: 3:22 Exactly! Dr. Jackson Vane: 3:23 Third best thing we can do. Parks and Rec: Emergency Response Johnny Kolasinski: 3:26 So with that, let’s get into the first episode that we wanted to talk about today, which was the Parks and Recreation Episode. And quick synopsis of it is, at the last minute, Leslie Knope gets called into a disaster preparedness drill, where they are dealing with a fake outbreak of H5N1, which is the bird flu. Dr. Jackson Vane: 3:54 Yeah. That one’s the avian flu. I think, we were watching this and I think, it brought back memories of when the hospital inspectors come to the hospital randomly and just surprise us. And we are all caught off guard and kind of forced into like a quick thinking situation. But H5N1 is actually a pretty scary virus. I think that was like the big hot virus a few years ago. Dr. Greg Winter: 4:16 I mean, also I don’t think [that] in a real world scenario, they don’t come in and say, “Hey, here’s what’s happening.” It’s more like, “Are you doing things properly? What are your contingency plans in case something happens?” It’s less of a role playing scenario and more of a “Do you have your ducks in a row scenario?” Which is very different from a town council perspective, which is what they’re portraying. And actually, I think they do get this kind of testing, where someone comes in and runs a scenario with them. Actually Jackson, Courtney and I all lived in Long Beach. And part of my residency training there was doing this sort of running around with the government enforcement officials and kind of seeing what is going on, which means, “Are restaurants up to code?” Also, not just kind of penalizing people, but “Hey, here’s how you get your Grade A recommendation.” And one of the things I thought was really interesting when I was going through that particular rotation, in Long Beach, they have horse stables in the middle of downtown Long Beach, which is the thing you don’t know unless you have a horse. But part of that is they have bird cages there, where they are trapping birds, they’re also like taking blood from specific chickens and things like that to see if there is a spread of certain viruses and things like that. It was a very, very interesting rotation to just kind of see the things that are going on behind the scenes to make a city work and also make a city safe. So I mean, there’s that part of it, where it was like, “This is definitely for humor”, but also know that that’s happening behind the scenes in the city. Dr. Jackson Vane: 6:02 And that also happens in the hospital too, where they’ll actually have like internal disasters. Dr. Greg Winter: 6:07 Yeah. Oh, yeah. We definitely do that. That’s true. Dr. Jackson Vane: 6:09 We actually have people with blood on their face, and just full makeup, and the ambulances would actually drive them into the ambulance bay and just drop them off going, “This one was an African and may have Ebola.” Like, racist. Yes. Dr. Greg Winter: 6:25 Well, yes, Jackson is racist. I agree. Dr. Jackson Vane: 6:27 How dare you? Dr. Courtney Nicholas: 6:28 But in a very generalized sense, drills help you be prepared for these disasters that may come. And you tend to see them pop up more after significant storms, [or] things that may happen in the country, and we want to make sure that we’re prepared in certain area. Dr. Jackson Vane: 6:43 Yeah. Dr. Greg Winter: 6:44 I think the thing that’s kind of... I mean, this definitely happens. But the thing that’s fictional is that it’s out of nowhere. Whereas most of the time when your hospital is going to get tested for something, you know ahead of time, you’re preparing for it ahead of time. I mean... Dr. Jackson Vane: 7:00 You basically don’t want it to be like Jerry. Dr. Greg Winter: 7:02 Right. Dr. Jackson Vane: 7:03 Where you just spring it on them and go, “Oh man, its...” Someone is gonna think it’s real, and everyone freaks out. And that actually happened when... Dr. Courtney Nicholas: 7:10 I will argue with that. I think some people don’t know that it’s real. And yeah, the people the top may know it’s coming, but part of it is true. Dr. Jackson Vane: 7:16 So that actually happened in my fellowship, where we actually had a drill where hot air balloons collided, and it was in the middle of our football field. Dr. Greg Winter: 7:26 Kablammo! Dr. Jackson Vane: 7:27 Yeah. Dr. Courtney Nicholas: 7:27 Boom. Dr. Jackson Vane: 7:27 And they had like down balloons and everything. And people on the sides like videotaping calling 911 and all that stuff, saying, “Something bad happened on the football field.” And we’re telling them, “No, it’s fake. It’s okay.” And they didn’t believe us, because everyone was super bloody. Well, also a bunch of ER doctors out there too, didn’t really help. Dr. Greg Winter: 7:47 Right. Right now the place I’m working with is going through recertification. And so this is a thing that happens every couple of years, but it’s less. That’s very different from a disaster testing scenario, where... We’re getting recertified, which is the thing that you know about and you’re preparing for, but disaster preparedness is something where you can be tested, but I don’t... It’s not like suddenly you lose. It’s just like,” Oh, here are things you can improve on.” It’s not like, “You suddenly can’t be a hospital or something like that.” Johnny Kolasinski: 8:18 Yeah, you’re suddenly no longer certified to deal with a disaster. So if there’s disasters happening, your hospital closes. Dr. Jackson Vane: 8:24 And really they didn’t describe the penalty that would happen to pawning it. Johnny Kolasinski: 8:29 Yeah, I don’t think there was a penalty, because they said they failed. Yeah. Can you turn Greg up just to touch? Dr. Greg Winter: 8:38 Things no one ever says. I need a little more Greg in the microphone. Johnny Kolasinski: 8:48 So let’s talk a little bit about what their plan was for H5N1. So is H5N1, first of all, is this something that’s going to be spread person to person or is it only animal to people contact? Dr. Jackson Vane: 9:04 So it’s droplet and it is from person to... Dr. Greg Winter: 9:06 Person to Birdman. Dr. Jackson Vane: 9:07 Person to Birdman, yes. Johnny Kolasinski: 9:09 You can only catch it from Michael Keaton. Got it. This is a good time to say what I should have said earlier, which is this podcast is not medical advice and neither is this panel. Dr. Greg Winter: 9:18 The B stands for Birdman. Dr. Jackson Vane: 9:19 The B stands for Birdman, Yes. The natural reservoir is in birds, poultry... Dr. Greg Winter: 9:25 Also Edward Norton, so good. So good in birdman, Jesus Christ. So good. Dr. Courtney Nicholas: 9:29 I think, I need to add that one to my list. Dr. Jackson Vane: 9:32 Birdman? I got to watch that too. I haven’t watched it yet. Dr. Greg Winter: 9:36 Oh, Johnny Kolasinski: 9:37 That midsummer Dr. Greg Winter: 9:38 And we just talked about Birdman. And we don’t have time. We don’t have time. Dr. Jackson Vane: 9:42 No time. Not enough time. But yeah, it’s actually it started in birds and then it actually started in China. I believe, it was the first outbreak of H5N1. And it was in the live markets but also in hobby farmer. So you’re keeping chickens in your backyard for fun, or if you had cockfighting chickens, that’s actually how it spread quite a bit. I knew that was gonna get a snick somebody. Dr. Greg Winter: 10:08 I mean, who had less than 10 minutes before Jackson mentioned cockfighting. Just... It could happen... Johnny Kolasinski: 10:16 Moving on with this PG13 panel. Dr. Greg Winter: 10:19 I said cockfighting. I know what I said. Dr. Jackson Vane: 10:22 But it is spread from person to person. And there was actually a small outbreak at the end of last year of H5N1 as well. Johnny Kolasinski: 10:29 At the end of 2020 or 2019? Dr. Jackson Vane: 10:32 2020. Johnny Kolasinski: 10:32 Okay. Dr. Greg Winter: 10:33 There was also a significant... I’m sorry. Dr. Jackson Vane: 10:35 I don’t remember where, but I know there was an outbreak of it. Dr. Greg Winter: 10:38 There was a significant outbreak, probably, I want to say like six or seven years ago, also. And it was sort of the thing that was happening that you had to pay attention to. Johnny Kolasinski: 10:48 Yeah. And that’s right around, I think, when the episode aired. It was like... If I remember it correctly, it was 2013. Dr. Greg Winter: 10:54 From the headline. Johnny Kolasinski: 10:54 Exactly. Dr. Jackson Vane: 10:57 But it’s a pretty deadly one too. So we’ve all heard of like H1N1, which is like swine flu. That one is like pretty contagious. It spreads really quickly, but it doesn’t have a high mortality. However, this one, it’s spread slower, but it has a higher mortality in general. Johnny Kolasinski: 11:13 In that situation, it’s kind of like COVID-19 then. Dr. Jackson Vane: 11:17 Kinda yeah. Dr. Greg Winter: 11:18 COVID-19 is in the... It’s in the [unclear 11:20] spot of fast spreading, also high mortality. And it’s more like the Spanish flu - another racist name. But it is one of those things where it’s like, it spreads slow enough to, or the symptoms are slow enough so that when it spreads, it’s not so bad, but it hurts you enough so that people die. And so that’s when things get scary when you can get a disease, and not know about it, and then spread it to other people, and then also everybody gets really sick and dies. Dr. Jackson... /episode/index/show/hieverybody/id/19700861