MOCRA Voices
Welcome to MOCRA Voices, the podcast of Saint Louis University’s Museum of Contemporary Religious Art. MOCRA Voices brings you conversations with thinkers and practitioners at the intersections of contemporary art, religion, and spirituality. Go in-depth with artists, scholars, theologians, religious leaders, and others who are engaged in the ongoing dialogue between visual art and the religious and spiritual dimensions. Be sure to check out our Vimeo channel, too.
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Episode 26: Vicente Telles and Brandon Maldonado
04/27/2023
Episode 26: Vicente Telles and Brandon Maldonado
The practice of making and venerating santos (painted or sculpted images of saints) originated in Spain and was carried to territories that fell under Spanish colonial rule. New Mexican santeros (makers of santos) developed distinctive approaches that diverged from the models they found in imported oil paintings, statues, and devotional prints. The Santero tradition flourished from the mid-eighteenth to late-nineteenth centuries before falling into a period of decline. Yet it recovered and thrives today, responding to the needs of both religious devotees and art aficionados. Artists and are forging new links in the chain of the continuing story of the people of New Mexico. Telles is firmly rooted in the Santero tradition, while Maldonado describes his work as being heavily inspired by New Mexican folk art. Yet they see their work converging on the critical question: What can and should Santero art be now? This question is explored in the exhibition Cuentos Nuevomexicanos, on display at MOCRA March 19 – May 21, 2023. Vicente and Brandon sat down with MOCRA Director David Brinker for an interview while they were in town for the opening of the exhibition. to learn more about Cuentos Nuevomexicanos and to explore our other episodes. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 4/27/2023
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Audio Extra, Episode 25: Love as Strong as Death
03/06/2020
Audio Extra, Episode 25: Love as Strong as Death
Dr. Aaron Rosen reflects on an artwork that holds deep personal meaning for him, in a conversation with MOCRA Director David Brinker
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Episode 25: Aaron Rosen
03/06/2020
Episode 25: Aaron Rosen
A leading scholar and curator reflects on the dialogue between contemporary visual artists and religion and spirituality, and shares his thoughts on MOCRA’s future.
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Episode 24, Part 2: artway of thinking / Geographica Schema
05/25/2017
Episode 24, Part 2: artway of thinking / Geographica Schema
How do you know if you're an artist? Many people would reflexively say they are not, since they cannot draw or paint or sculpt. But in this two-part episode, we hear from several people who have a more expansive understanding of what makes an artist. Their focus isn't on what is produced, but on the act of art-making itself, and the cultivation of an artistic methodology. In Part 1, St. Louis-based artist, author, and educator Con Christeson interviews Federica Thiene. Thiene is an artist based in Italy and co-founder of artway of thinking, a non-profit organization with the aim of researching collective creative processes, where the artist enters actively into the process of social change. Together they explore the origins and scope of artway and what it means to work within a co-creation methodology. . Part 2 brings Christeson together with fellow St. Louis artist Tom Brady and MOCRA Assistant Director David Brinker in a conversation about the development of an artistic practice and its role in the community. They reflect on their shared their experiences with Geographica Schema, a project spearheaded by Christeson to introduce artway concepts to artists and others in St. Louis. to learn more about Con Christeson, Federica Thiene, and Tom Brady, and to explore our other episodes. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/25/2017 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 24, Part 1: artway of thinking / Geographica Schema
05/25/2017
Episode 24, Part 1: artway of thinking / Geographica Schema
How do you know if you're an artist? Many people would reflexively say they are not, since they cannot draw or paint or sculpt. But in this two-part episode, we hear from several people who have a more expansive understanding of what makes an artist. Their focus isn't on what is produced, but on the act of art-making itself, and the cultivation of an artistic methodology. In Part 1, St. Louis-based artist, author, and educator Con Christeson interviews Federica Thiene. Thiene is an artist based in Italy and co-founder of artway of thinking, a non-profit organization with the aim of researching collective creative processes, where the artist enters actively into the process of social change. Together they explore the origins and scope of artway and what it means to work within a co-creation methodology. Part 2 brings Christeson together with fellow St. Louis artist Tom Brady and MOCRA Assistant Director David Brinker in a conversation about the development of an artistic practice and its role in the community. They reflect on their shared their experiences with Geographica Schema, a project spearheaded by Christeson to introduce artway concepts to artists and others in St. Louis. . to learn more about Con Christeson, Federica Thiene, and Tom Brady, and to explore our other episodes. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/25/2017 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 23: Martha Schneider
05/23/2017
Episode 23: Martha Schneider
Thanks to her discerning eye and generous hospitality, Martha Schneider has built a reputation as one of the foremost gallerists specializing in contemporary Latin American photography. But 30 years ago, she had no inkling where her passion for art would lead her. She spoke with MOCRA Director Terrence Dempsey, SJ, about the origins of and how she came to represent world-renowned artists such as Maria Magdalena Campos-Pons, Luis González Palma, and Erika Diettes. They also talk about the highly successful collaborations between the gallery and MOCRA, including 2016's acclaimed exhibition, Erika Diettes: Sudarios. to learn more about Martha Schneider, and to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/23/2017 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Audio Extra, Episode 22: Henry Ossawa Tanner
05/18/2017
Audio Extra, Episode 22: Henry Ossawa Tanner
Leo O’Donovan, S.J., talks about the compelling contemporary resonances he discerns in a painting by Henry Ossawa Tanner, “The Flight into Egypt.” This is an Audio Extra to to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Original release date: 12/22/2016
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Episode 22: Leo O'Donovan, S.J.
05/18/2017
Episode 22: Leo O'Donovan, S.J.
Jesuit priest Leo O’Donovan, S.J., has held some prominent roles, including over 20 years as the president of Georgetown University. But he has also kept up a lively engagement with the world of art and art exhibitions, a fact well known to readers of the periodicals America and Commonweal. O'Donovan spoke with MOCRA Director (and fellow Jesuit priest) Terrence Dempsey, S.J., about his wide-ranging career and his perspective on contemporary religious art. Be sure to listen to the Audio Extra, "." to learn more about Leo O'Donovan, SJ, and to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 12/22/2016 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Audio Extra, Episode 21: Student Reflections
05/18/2017
Audio Extra, Episode 21: Student Reflections
What impact can art have on those in training to become pastoral caregivers? Cristina Stevens shares reflections from three of her students about their experiences visiting MOCRA. This is an Audio Extra to . to learn more about Cristina Stevens and to explore our other episodes. Original release date: 8/30/2016
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Episode 21, Part 2: Art, Empathy, and Healing
05/18/2017
Episode 21, Part 2: Art, Empathy, and Healing
Empathy is a term that surfaces in a variety of fields, including museums. MOCRA Assistant Director David Brinker sets out to explore two different angles on museums and empathy. In Part 1, he talks with museum educator Adam Nilsen about how empathy is understood and studied, as well as the ways it is being applied in museum settings. Part 2 features chaplain and pastoral care educator Cristina Stevens reflecting on the role art and empathy play in the training and practice of those who support the spiritual needs of healthcare patients. . Be sure to listen to the Audio Extra, "." to learn more about Adam Nilsen and Cristina Stevens and to explore our other episodes. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 8/30/2016; updated on 5/30/2017 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 21, Part 1: Art, Empathy, and Healing
05/18/2017
Episode 21, Part 1: Art, Empathy, and Healing
Empathy is a term that surfaces in all kinds of settings, including museums. MOCRA Assistant Director David Brinker sets out to explore two different angles on museums and empathy. In Part 1, he talks with museum educator Adam Nilsen about how empathy is understood and studied, as well as the ways it is being applied in museum settings. Part 2 features chaplain and pastoral care educator Cristina Stevens reflecting on the role art and empathy play in the training and practice of those who support the spiritual needs of healthcare patients. . Be sure to listen to the Audio Extra, "." to learn more about Adam Nilsen and Cristina Stevens and to explore our other episodes. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 8/30/2016; updated on 5/30/2017 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Audio Extra, Episode 20: Art and Alzheimer's
05/18/2017
Audio Extra, Episode 20: Art and Alzheimer's
Pamela Ambrose talks about the ways in which art museums can use their collections to enrich the lives of people living with Alzheimer's and their caregivers. This is an Audio Extra to . Original release date: 8/30/2016
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Audio Extra, Episode 20: Lewis deSoto's "Paranirvana"
05/18/2017
Audio Extra, Episode 20: Lewis deSoto's "Paranirvana"
Pamela Ambrose and Terrence Dempsey, SJ, discuss the inflatable sculpture Paranirvana, by Bay Area artist Lewis deSoto, a contemporary interpretation of a centuries-old Buddhist shrine. This is an Audio Extra to . Original release date: 8/30/2016
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Episode 20: Pamela Ambrose
05/18/2017
Episode 20: Pamela Ambrose
Pamela Ambrose has had a distinguished career as a curator and museum director. On the occasion of her retirement as Director of the Loyola University Museum of Art in Chicago, Ambrose joined MOCRA Director Terrence Dempsey, SJ, to look back over her distinguished career managing both galleries and museums, and talk about her enduring interest in the intersection of art and the spiritual dimension. Be sure to listen to the two Audio Extras, "" and "." You can hear more from Ambrose in . Also, watch the related video podcast episode, "," on the MOCRA Voices Vimeo channel. to learn more about Pamela Ambrose and to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 8/30/2016 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 19: Jordan Eagles
05/18/2017
Episode 19: Jordan Eagles
The multidimensional, abstract paintings, sculptures, and installations of artist have caught the imagination of viewers and critics alike. His invented preservation technique, combining blood, plexiglass, UV resin, and other materials, permanently retains the organic material’s natural colors, patterns, and textures. Eagles speaks with MOCRA Director Terrence Dempsey, SJ, about his unusual artistic media and his works’ rich symbolic associations. They also discuss Eagles’ continuing growth as an artist, including , a work created to raise awareness about the FDA’s ban on the donation of blood by men who have sex with men. Jordan Eagles' work was featured in the 2013 MOCRA exhibition . to learn more about Jordan Eagles and to explore our other episodes. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 8/30/2016 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 18: Howard Fox
05/18/2017
Episode 18: Howard Fox
Howard Fox is well-known in contemporary art circles as a curator and author. MOCRA Director Terrence Dempsey, SJ, speaks with Fox about his approach to curating exhibitions and discerning trends in art-making, as well as the process of writing essays on contemporary art. Along the way they discuss specific artists who engage the religious and spiritual dimensions in their work. to learn more about Howard Fox and to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/31/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 17, Part 2: MOCRA Memories - Consecrations
05/16/2017
Episode 17, Part 2: MOCRA Memories - Consecrations
In 2013, MOCRA celebrated its twentieth anniversary, a perfect time to talk with people who have been affiliated with the museum over the years: those who had a hand in MOCRA’s genesis, artists who have participated in exhibitions at MOCRA, and other participants in the broader dialogue between contemporary art and religion and spirituality. With "MOCRA Memories" we bring you these conversations and reflections. This two-part episode features people involved with MOCRA's groundbreaking 1994 exhibition, . . to learn more about the people behind the voices. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/31/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 17, Part 1: MOCRA Memories - Consecrations
05/16/2017
Episode 17, Part 1: MOCRA Memories - Consecrations
In 2013, MOCRA celebrated its twentieth anniversary, a perfect time to talk with people who have been affiliated with the museum over the years: those who had a hand in MOCRA’s genesis, artists who have participated in exhibitions at MOCRA, and other participants in the broader dialogue between contemporary art and religion and spirituality. With "MOCRA Memories" we bring you these conversations and reflections. This two-part episode features people involved with MOCRA's groundbreaking 1994 exhibition, . . to learn more about the people behind the voices. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/31/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 16: Daniel Ramirez and Buzz Spector
05/16/2017
Episode 16: Daniel Ramirez and Buzz Spector
Artists Daniel Ramirez and Buzz Spector were studio mates in the MFA program at the University of Chicago in the 1970s, forging a friendship that has lasted ever since. In this wide-ranging conversation with MOCRA Voices, they trace the evolution of their artistic output over the decades. They touch on the thought of Ludwig Wittgenstein, the music of Olivier Messiaen, divine geometries, book design, and even the finer points of bowing technique. to learn more about Daniel Ramirez and Buzz Spector and to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/30/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 15: MOCRA Memories - Sanctuaries
05/16/2017
Episode 15: MOCRA Memories - Sanctuaries
MOCRA has been shaped by many people and events over the years. “MOCRA Memories” episodes delve into particular moments in MOCRA’s history. In 2013, MOCRA celebrated its twentieth anniversary, a perfect time to talk with people who have been affiliated with the museum over the years: those who had a hand in MOCRA’s genesis, artists who have participated in exhibitions at MOCRA, and other participants in the broader dialogue between contemporary art and religion and spirituality. In this episode we bring you conversations and reflections with people involved in MOCRA’s inaugural exhibition, . to learn more about the people behind the voices. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/29/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 14: MOCRA Memories - Berkeley
05/16/2017
Episode 14: MOCRA Memories - Berkeley
MOCRA has been shaped by many people and events over the years. “MOCRA Memories” episodes delve into particular moments in MOCRA’s history. In this episode, MOCRA director Terrence Dempsey, S.J., reflects on three people who played pivotal roles in the creation and development of MOCRA. He encountered art historian Jane Daggett Dillenberger, theologian John Dillenberger, and art historian Peter Selz during his doctoral studies at the Graduate Theological Union (GTU) in Berkeley, California, a leading center of research in the intersection of contemporary art and religion. Dempsey discusses how these important scholars shaped his thinking and practice in ways that ultimately led to the establishment of MOCRA. The episode includes excerpts from archival recordings of the scholars themselves. to learn more about the people behind the voices. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/29/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Audio Extra, Episode 13: The Crucifixion Market
05/16/2017
Audio Extra, Episode 13: The Crucifixion Market
Menachem Wecker shares his observations of how religious art fares in the international art market. This is an Audio Extra to . Original release date: 5/7/2015
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Episode 13: Menachem Wecker
05/16/2017
Episode 13: Menachem Wecker
Journalist and author Menachem Wecker has had a long-standing interest in art and religion in contemporary society. He joins MOCRA Assistant Director David Brinker to talk about a wide range of topics, including how he identifies and researches topics for reporting, the role social media is playing in the dialogue between art and religion, and how religious scriptures are interpreted in graphic novel format. Be sure to listen to the Audio Extra, "." to learn more about Menachem Wecker and to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 5/7/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Audio Extra, Episode 12: Every Mother's Child, an Artist
05/16/2017
Audio Extra, Episode 12: Every Mother's Child, an Artist
Ellen Dissanayake talks about the evolutionary adaptations that contribute to the influence of mothers on their children’s development as artists. This is an Audio Extra to . Be sure to listen to the other Audio Extra, ““ for a Listening Guide to this Audio Extra. Original release date: 4/24/2015
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Audio Extra, Episode 12: Where Do Book Covers Come From?
05/16/2017
Audio Extra, Episode 12: Where Do Book Covers Come From?
Ellen Dissanayake knew that a well-known work by Paul Gauguin was the perfect match for her book. But that was just the beginning. This is an Audio Extra to . Be sure to listen to the other Audio Extra, “.” to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Original release date: 4/24/2015
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Episode 12: Ellen Dissanayake
05/16/2017
Episode 12: Ellen Dissanayake
Author and scholar Ellen Dissanayake approaches art through the disciplines of evolution and ethology (the biological study of animal and human behavior), and makes a case for art being necessary for the biological survival of the human race. In 1988 her critically acclaimed first book, What is Art For, drew the attention of both the scientific and art worlds with its exploration of the impulse to make art, which Dissanayake calls “making special.” She speaks with MOCRA Director Terrence Dempsey, S.J., about her distinctive point of view, as well as the implications of her research for assessing and understanding contemporary art. Be sure to listen to the Audio Extras, ““ and “.” to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 4/24/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 11: Tobi Kahn
05/16/2017
Episode 11: Tobi Kahn
Tobi Kahn is a New York-based painter, sculptor, and educator, who for over thirty years has been steadfast in his commitment to the redemptive possibilities of art. MOCRA director Terrence Dempsey, S.J., spoke with Kahn about integrating faith and heritage with his artistic practice, his commissions for public sacred spaces, and how MOCRA has impacted his career. to learn more about Tobi Kahn and to explore a Listening Guide to the interview. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 1/20/2015 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 10: MOCRA Memories - The Early Years
05/16/2017
Episode 10: MOCRA Memories - The Early Years
MOCRA has been shaped by many people and events over the years. “MOCRA Memories” episodes delve into particular moments in MOCRA’s history. In 2013, MOCRA celebrated its twentieth anniversary, a perfect time to talk with people who have been affiliated with the museum over the years: those who had a hand in MOCRA’s genesis, artists who have participated in exhibitions at MOCRA, and other participants in the broader dialogue between contemporary art and religion and spirituality. In this episode we bring you conversations and reflections with some of the folks who were with MOCRA at the beginning (and before). to learn more about the people behind the voices. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 6/12/2014 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 9, Part 2: Batya Abramson-Goldstein and Timothy O'Leary
05/15/2017
Episode 9, Part 2: Batya Abramson-Goldstein and Timothy O'Leary
Showing how art can be a vehicle for interfaith understanding is a key element of MOCRA’s mission. But MOCRA isn’t the only arts institution exploring that possibility. In this two-part episode, MOCRA Assistant Director David Brinker speaks with Batya Abramson-Goldstein, Executive Director of the St. Louis Jewish Community Relations Council, and Timothy O’Leary, General Director of Opera Theatre of Saint Louis. Part 1 focuses on Opera Theatre’s 2011 production of the John Adams opera The Death of Klinghoffer, and how that opera became a springboard for interfaith conversation and action through the arts. . In Part 2, Ambramson-Goldstein and O’Leary discuss the genesis of an interfaith September 11 memorial service, and other lasting positive consequences of the interfaith collaboration that began with The Death of Klinghoffer. to learn more about Batya Abramson-Goldstein and Timothy O’Leary, and to explore a Listening Guide to the conversation. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 6/7/2014 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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Episode 9, Part 1: Batya Abramson-Goldstein and Timothy O'Leary
05/15/2017
Episode 9, Part 1: Batya Abramson-Goldstein and Timothy O'Leary
Showing how art can be a vehicle for interfaith understanding is a key element of MOCRA’s mission. But MOCRA isn’t the only arts institution exploring that possibility. In this two-part episode, MOCRA Assistant Director David Brinker speaks with Batya Abramson-Goldstein, Executive Director of the St. Louis Jewish Community Relations Council, and Timothy O’Leary, General Director of Opera Theatre of Saint Louis. Part 1 focuses on Opera Theatre’s 2011 production of the John Adams opera The Death of Klinghoffer, and how that opera became a springboard for interfaith conversation and action through the arts. In Part 2, Ambramson-Goldstein and O’Leary discuss the genesis of an interfaith September 11 memorial service, and other lasting positive consequences of the interfaith collaboration that began with The Death of Klinghoffer. . to learn more about Batya Abramson-Goldstein and Timothy O’Leary, and to explore a Listening Guide to the conversation. Recording Engineer and Editor: Mike Schrand Host: Linda Kennedy Theme and Incidental Music: Stephen James Neale Producer: David Brinker Original release date: 6/7/2014 This episode was made possible with financial support from the .
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