The Nonprofit Exchange: Leadership Tools & Strategies
Every week, the SynerVision Leadership team sits down with thought leaders across the nonprofit world to bring you leadership tools and strategies that can bring direct impact to your organization.
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The Danger of Echo Systems Interview with Joel Bryant
05/19/2021
The Danger of Echo Systems Interview with Joel Bryant
The Danger of Echo Systems Interview with Joel Bryant If you are seeking directions to your destiny, you are in the right place! With over 25 years of leadership, sales, and performance development training, Dr. Joel Bryant’s expertise and experience bring a refreshing, enlightening, and inspiring approach to developing a holistic understanding of self and groups within their personal and professional settings. He provides valuable tools and techniques to help you achievehttps://drjoelbryant.webs.com your greatness. Thanks for being here, and know that YOU matter! FROM HOMELESS TO GREATNESS! Several years ago I was as frustrated then as you may be now. I didn’t know where I fit, let alone how to find my place in life. But rather than make excuses, I decided to make changes instead, which is what successful people do. Thanks to God’s grace and my grit I now sit in a place I once dreamed about and drooled over. No, I’m not rich or famous, but I am fulfilled! That’s what matters. In fact, in the last 20 years I’ve written 55 books, published 35, ghost-written two while publishing four books for other writers, In between, I obtained three degrees including a doctorate in Educational Leadership. I’ve also appeared on regional radio and television, served as a university lecturer, newspaper editor, and board member on two area nonprofits, along with other successes I seldom consider because of my quest for greatness. These successes include being a trainer with the Dun and Bradstreet Corporation. In fact, prior to quitting in October of 2000, I was named one of only 61 employees worldwide to receive the company’s highest honor, Best of the Best Leadership Award, for my role in impacting employee performance and morale. One year later, however, I was homeless, broke, and bewildered. I also had my car repossessed. Though painful, these experiences prospered because they improved my leadership abilities and self-reliance. They also gave me insight I couldn’t have gotten elsewhere or otherwise. My goal is to share these insights with you and to help you develop your leadership abilities. More importantly, I want to help you achieve YOUR dreams rather than eyeing others. More about Dr. Bryant at
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What Happens To Youth Who Age Out Of Foster Care?
05/05/2021
What Happens To Youth Who Age Out Of Foster Care?
What Happens To Youth Who Age Out Of Foster Care? Interview with Maria Rolf Have you ever wondered what happens to foster children after they turn 18? Do they graduate from high school? Move off to college with their friends? Start taking steps toward a future career path? For the average teenager, these are normal milestones that symbolize becoming an independent adult. But for teens who have grown up in the foster system, this new stage of life means being thrown into the real world with few resources, few positive relationships, and even fewer hopes of “making it”. Youth who are aging out of foster care instantly find themselves drowning in fears of poverty and homelessness, with little ability to see beyond the day-to-day. As new legal adults, these youth are primarily concerned with one thing: survival. Current statistics for youth aging out of foster care are pretty grim: 25% become incarcerated within their first year of adulthood 1 out of every 5 are homeless before their 19th birthday 3 out of every 4 girls are pregnant before the age of 21 Fewer than 4% graduate from college Only half are employed by the age of 24 It doesn’t have to be this way At Impact Living Services, we are dedicated to changing these outcomes. Our independent living program gives youth the opportunity to transition into adulthood in a safe, secure environment where all of their basic needs are met so they can focus on succeeding and thriving as adults. We provide counseling, mentorship, and life skills coaching to make sure that by the time they turn 21, they are able to hold a steady job, have enough money saved to live on their own, and have a community of positive relationships that are going to be cheering them on for the long haul. We desire to help individuals, churches, and other organizations see the needs of this vulnerable population and come around them to help them succeed. This is an “eyes wide open” and “all hands on deck” vision, and we’d love to help you find your role in it. After working in the academic world for over 10 years, Maria Rolf joined the Impact Living Services team in 2018 as a mentor and life skills coach to 17-20-year-old foster youth in an independent living program. She now serves as the Mission Advancement Officer, helping to engage and invite communities, churches, businesses, and other organizations to take part in changing outcomes for children and youth aging out of foster care.
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Conversations that Build Culture and Fuel Performance
04/28/2021
Conversations that Build Culture and Fuel Performance
Fuel for the Journey: Conversations that Build Culture and Fuel Performance with Dan Rockwell Dan Rockwell is the author of the highly recognized Leadership Freak blog and co-author of The Character-Based Leader. Leadership Freak, read in virtually every country on the globe, has been recognized as the most socially shared leadership blog on the Internet. Over 400,000 people subscribe to Leadership Freak’s social media channels. Inc Magazine lists Dan as a ‘Top Fifty Leadership and Management Expert’ and a ‘Top 100 Great Leadership Speaker’. The American Management Association lists Dan as one of the ‘Top 30 Leaders in Business’. Dan coaches and advises leaders, leads workshops, and delivers keynotes to business and community organizations. Leaders have an amazing opportunity to make life better for the people on their team or in their organization. One important and sometimes neglected skill is managing and fueling energy; our own, others, and teams. Dan will highlight the following in the interview: Reasons organizations seem to battle a downward drag. What are you learning about managing your own energy? How might leaders fuel energy in others and on teams? A 7-step conversation that creates forward movement. (Progress fuels energy.) For more information go to
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How Much More Money Does Your Nonprofit Need to Bring In?
04/21/2021
How Much More Money Does Your Nonprofit Need to Bring In?
How Much More Money Does Your Nonprofit Need to Bring In? With Debbie Mrazek Debbie Mrazek coaches and consults with Fortune 500 companies, CEOs, entrepreneurs, non-profit organizations, business startups, and family businesses, helping her clients to identify their toughest business challenges and guiding them through the process of developing and devising a clear, concise plan; a road map to achieving their vision and exponentially growing by working “smarter not harder”. She is passionate about bringing the “fun” back to selling -raising money. Additionally, Debbie is the author of “The Field Guide to Sales” and is a prolific writer and speaker sharing her wealth of experiences and sales growth expertise to numerous organizations and publications. Also, recently recognized by DCEO Magazine as one of the 2021 Dallas 500 - the most powerful business leaders in Dallas-Fort Worth. Also, honored by Dallas Business Journal -Women In Business Award Winner and Tech Titan Community Hero. Currently, Debbie is serving as • Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Faculty - Sales/Marketing • TeXchange Board of Directors. For more information:
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The Art and Science of Profitable Joint Ventures
04/14/2021
The Art and Science of Profitable Joint Ventures
The Art and Science of Profitable Joint Ventures Interview with JVology Founder, Jay Fiset Jay Fiset is a best selling author, student of human nature, avid outdoorsman at 5-star hotels, speaks fluent smart ass, can see and reflect your life mission in 5 minutes flat, loves having 2 sons so he can play with their toys, still fantasizes about his wife after 25 years, loves ideas, but loves results, even more, can simultaneously laugh and cry for different reasons at the same time, has never been star struck (but did not get a chance to meet Martin Luther King, and there would have been teenage girl screaming if I had). Jay says, "I am dedicated to instigating a global movement of Conscious Creators and supporting people to organize their life and resources around their passions and gifts." For more information, go to
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Instability to Independence via the Lighthouse Model: A fresh look at serving our community
04/07/2021
Instability to Independence via the Lighthouse Model: A fresh look at serving our community
Instability to Independence via the Lighthouse Model: A fresh look at serving our community Finny Mathew is an experienced President with a demonstrated history of working in the packaging and containers industry. A strong business development professional is skilled in Sales, Sales Management, Team Building, Public Speaking, Management, Renewable energy, green technology, Corporate and business management. He had now focused his skills for creating and growing a cause-based charity, the Lighthouse. About the Lighthouse LIGHTHOUSE COMMUNITY CENTER Lighthouse Community Center is to serve all persons in crisis with basic necessities, support, encouragement, and remedial services that lead to self-sustaining and dignified lives. LIGHTHOUSE HEALTH SERVICES Lighthouse Community Health Services offers an array of comprehensive in-person and virtual treatment to all individuals who may be struggling with their mental health. LIGHTHOUSE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT Helping low-income individuals and families build wealth through the ownership of safe, and lasting affordable housing in a “Beloved Community” featuring wrap-around supportive services. More Information at
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There’s Never Been A Time Like This
03/31/2021
There’s Never Been A Time Like This
There’s Never Been A Time Like This Interview with B1G1 Founder, Paul Dunn Paul Dunn is a 4-time TEDx speaker and is a Senior Fellow in one of the World’s Leading Think Tanks and consults to and mentors leading-edge businesses around the world. He was honored as a Social Innovation Fellow in his new home of Singapore; something he shares with film-star and philanthropist Jet Li and Walmart Chairman, Rob Walton. He was one of the first 10 people in Hewlett Packard in Australia. He then created one of Australia’s first computer companies and then The Results Corporation where he helped develop and grow 23,000 small and medium scale business enterprises. His programs are used by an estimated 226,000 companies around the world and he continues to push the boundaries. He featured in Forbes Magazine alongside Sir Richard Branson in a global piece on ‘disrupters’ in business. He is the co-founder of Accountants for Good and B1G1: Business for Good, the Global Giving Initiative that’s already enabled businesses to create over 220 Million giving impacts globally. For more information go to
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Why Your Authenticity Is Needed In The World Now More Than Ever
03/24/2021
Why Your Authenticity Is Needed In The World Now More Than Ever
Why Your Authenticity Is Needed In The World Now More Than Ever Interview with Sandra Dee Robinson True authenticity as a leader takes courage, but only initially. Once achieved the results show an exponential increase. Decision-making is more clear. For those who feel a higher calling ( not only clergy) remembering the authentic self provides an ROI that sometimes cannot even be measured. Peace of mind and a stronger sense of self in your Design can magnetize others to you and your purpose. There are three things that create the environment for this to happen: Your CORE, your actions, and your language. Let's take a look at what the alignment of these can create in the world that you experience. Sandra Dee Robinson’s mission is to help move people from where they are, to where they are Designed to be. She is a known television actress (former soap opera star), author, international speaker, TV and radio host, and a trusted advisor to gifted leaders and influencers who feel pulled to create an impact in the world. Sandra Dee founded Charisma on Camera Performance Coaching in 2010 and Horsepowered Consulting featuring her exclusive equine-assisted coaching retreats, in 2018. She is master certified in NLP, Hypnosis, Speaker Stage mastery as well as trained in Natural Lifemanship, EAGALA, and is a Certified Success and Soul Business Coach.
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Dysfunctional Nonprofit Boards Can Ruin an Organization
03/17/2021
Dysfunctional Nonprofit Boards Can Ruin an Organization
Dysfunctional Nonprofit Boards Can Ruin an Organization, These Recruiting Principles Offer a Solution Interview with Jim Mueller The complexities and challenges of sustaining a nonprofit far exceed those faced by similar-sized for-profit entities. Board members are called upon to be voices in their communities, to promote the importance of their cause, and to attract a band of true believers so that their nonprofits have the best opportunity to have the greatest impact for the most people. Having the wrong people end up on a nonprofit board can spell disaster for the organization. My message revolves around seven principles that nonprofits can use to recruit and sustain highly effective boards - and I aim to provide a roadmap for leaders to get there. JAMES MUELLER is the president of James Mueller & Associates LLC (JMA), a national consulting firm that provides services in the areas of organizational development, governance, and philanthropy. His new book, Onboarding Champions: The Seven Recruiting Principles of Highly Effective Nonprofit Boards (February 23, 2021) is filled with intelligent and practical advice interwoven with a lifetime of stories about working with nonprofit boards. Mueller’s work helping nonprofits advance their missions has earned him national recognition. He has worked with nonprofit board members ranging from the highest positions of success and prominence to local communities and neighborhoods, where good people with big hearts ensure the health and wellbeing of their nonprofits. He has an undergraduate degree from Cornell University and spent the first ten years of his career at Cornell, followed by executive positions at Northwestern University, Advocate Healthcare, Lake Forest Graduate School of Management, and Goodwill Industries. More information at
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How Nonprofit Organizations Can Grow
03/10/2021
How Nonprofit Organizations Can Grow
How Nonprofit Organizations Can Grow Interview with Jennifer Katrulya Jennifer Katrulya is a Partner at Citrin Cooperman and is considered a pioneer of the outsourced/virtual CFO, advisory, and accounting services space. She has spent the last 20+ years helping clients create and execute the strategic and operational plans needed to scale quickly, secure funding, provide critical reporting and communications to company stakeholders, increase market share, and position for a successful exit. Jennifer helps companies leverage Citrin Cooperman’s rapidly growing BPO services group of exceptional controllers, bookkeepers, and technology specialists. The team at Citrin Cooperman takes on the day-to-day accounting functions for clients, allowing them to focus on growing the company. Jennifer has often been called a “power connector,” based on her proven track record of bringing the right people and companies together to help drive business growth and success, both in specific business deals and in the formation of winning strategic alliances. Her experience ranges from bringing early-stage companies and funding sources together, to connecting C-Level executives in Fortune 500 companies.
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The Why Behind Our Businesses
03/03/2021
The Why Behind Our Businesses
The Why Behind Our Businesseswith Vintro’s Founder Noor Sugrue Noor Sugrue, Founder of Vintro, combines her studies at The University of Chicago, studying Economics and Art History, with her role in leading her first business venture. Growing up in an entrepreneurial family, she was always encouraged to go the extra mile and achieve success in whatever she was doing. It is an ethos that has remained with her throughout her education and, more recently, in the creation of Vintro. In 2018, while Noor was still at school, she came up with the original concept for Vintro after watching Shark Tank on TV and realizing how much it takes to get a business idea in front of the right people. Noor recognized that even the best business ideas need support to grow, and too many entrepreneurs and creators don’t know the right person or can’t get the right advice. Vintro changes that. This democratization of access to the influential spurred her to her mission, to let no idea get left behind, and the creation of Vintro for Volunteers within the core Vintro offering. This allows those without the financial resources to access Vintro leaders by using charitable service hours to purchase decision-makers. There is a way to do business and to do good. In today’s world, it is a must that businesses are built with soul and purpose and with a mission. For more information about Vintro go to
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Your Relationship with Money: Will I Win or Lose?
02/24/2021
Your Relationship with Money: Will I Win or Lose?
Your Relationship with Money: Will I Win or Lose? Interview with Richard Hansen Money and your relationship with it will ultimately dictate how you live, who you help, and how much you receive. If you view money as a scarce resource, it is! If you view money as an abundant resource, it is! We are taught that it is better to give than to receive, so are we giving enough? Are we being too selfish with what we have? As leaders we have to be the BIGGEST givers, we have to be the BIGGEST examples of success, and we have to be the BIGGEST advocates for a change! Change your mindset about money, and you'll change your mindset about money. Richard Hansen was born into poverty, chose poverty by becoming a teenage father, then decided to make a move and join the Middle Class and now onto Wealthy America! Hansen spent 11 years working for a Fortune 100 Bank and in 2016 became an entrepreneur and started his own financial firm. Married to his high school sweetheart, father of two amazing teenagers, and looking to serve the Lord each and every day!
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Rock Against Trafficking: Saving Lives Through the Power of Music
02/17/2021
Rock Against Trafficking: Saving Lives Through the Power of Music
Rock Against Trafficking: Saving Lives Through the Power of Music with Gary Miller Rock Against Trafficking is a non-profit 501c3 charity driven by seasoned music industry veterans who are taking action to end human trafficking on a global scale. With growing awareness and support from the media and public officials, we continue to see an increase in anti-trafficking task force initiatives worldwide — many businesses are providing training to their employees to help identify traffickers and victims in their tracks. With over 600 rescues so far this year, our network of affiliates is hard at work but we need your help! Gary Miller is a British Pop and Rock music producer, songwriter, composer, and guitarist. Gary worked for the London production house Stock Aitken Waterman as producer and songwriter and was later part of the Metrophonic team. He is best known for his work with David Bowie for the album Heathen, Katy Perry, Donna Summer, Lionel Richie, Kylie Minogue, Bananarama, and Simply Red. Miller started his music career during the 1980s as a guitarist, touring with Sir Elton John and Nik Kershaw all across Europe and the US. In 1989, Miller was Musical Director for Deon Estus on George Michael's Faith Tour. During his long-spanning career, he was also MD and guitarist for the 30-year reunion tour for British Pop duo Bros, twin brothers Matt and Luke Goss, in 2017. The Bros Live 2017 Tour filled The O2 arena in London two nights in a row. Miller additionally founded the Rock Against Trafficking foundation which records and releases album projects to raise money and awareness to fight human trafficking. The first Rock Against Trafficking album "Set Them Free", which was produced by Miller, features Police and Sting covers performed by various well-known artists, such as the rock band Journey, Heart, Carlos Santana, Slash, Julian Lennon, Ellis Hall, and En Vogue. Most recently Gary has achieved a #1 record across several UK charts with Rozalla’s “I Feel It Slipping Away”. More about Rock Against Trafficking at
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Passionate Performance: Striving to Change the World
02/10/2021
Passionate Performance: Striving to Change the World
Passionate Performance: Striving to Change the World with Mrs. Virginia American, Dhomonique Murphy Passionate Performance: Striving to Change the World with Mrs. Virginia American, Dhomonique Murphy Did you know that 1 in 4 children in America will grow up never learning how to read? Readers2Leaders is committed to bringing hope, opportunity, and education to the front doorstep of every child we touch. Dhomonique Murphy is a 3x Emmy Award-Winning Television Journalist and the reigning Mrs. Virginia American Dhomonique has appeared on stages across the nation and has been featured on The Steve Harvey Show, FOX, ABC, NBC, HSN, CBS , and countless radio, print, and local television platforms. Dhomonique is also the founder of a 501(c)(3) nonprofit called Readers2Leaders, Inc. The Yellow Box Project is on a mission to put thousands of books by way of e-reader into the hands of children in underserved communities across the nation. (TheYellowBox.org) Dhomonique is a leading industry expert in the field of personal and professional development. She is the owner and President of The Right Method (TheRightMethod.com). Dhomonique and a television crew traveled the nation in 2020 to interview some of theworld’s most notable business icons and motivators. She conducted the interviews inside the living rooms of these individuals to learn their secrets of success. Dhomonique is now working to bring this to a national platform. She has been endorsed by the co-founder of Constant Contact Alec Stern, Shark Tank’s Kevin Harrington, New York Times Best Selling Author Sharon Lechter, co-founder of Priceline.com Jeff Hoffman, famed motivational speaker Brain Tracy, and many others. Dhomonique is a published author of three books: A) RESET: Attitude is Everything, B) The Right Method Cookbook, and a contributing author on the bestselling book: 1Habit for Entrepreneurial Success alongside Les Brown. Dhomonique and her husband Frank reside in northern Virginia (Arlington) with their two young sons Christian (2) and Christopher (1). Did you know that 1 in 4 children in America will grow up never learning how to read? Read that statistic again. That’s 25% of children. WriteExpress Corporation. “Literacy Statistics.“ Begin to Read. Accessed April 16, 2014. According to the Reading Foundation, many academic and social issues can arise for children who are poor readers. We believe that every child has the potential to succeed in life and opportunities to read and learn should not be limited based on economic status. Readers2Leaders is committed to bringing hope, opportunity, and education to the front doorstep of every child we touch.
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Dream Big and Then Make It Happen with Jim Hardwick
02/07/2021
Dream Big and Then Make It Happen with Jim Hardwick
Dream Big and Then Make It Happen with Jim Hardwick Jim Hardwick has been in the healthcare industry for many years leading sales teams. He has worked for companies in hospital distribution, medical devices, diagnostics tests, and software solutions and is currently a Sales Consultant. “The spirit and energy of the African people have opened my eyes to how important our global community is. The opportunity to help free people of dental pain has become my driving passion." Starting a nonprofit is hard work and many hours that others never see. However, if your passion and heart are in the right place the experience is both rewarding and humbling. Stay focused when times are hard. Having the heart to change the world can move mountains. Because of a dream, we were able to impact many lives on the other side of the world.
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New, Collaborative Approaches to Combatting Human Trafficking
01/31/2021
New, Collaborative Approaches to Combatting Human Trafficking
New, Collaborative Approaches to Combatting Human Trafficking with Mitzi Perdue Mitzi Perdue is a businesswoman, author, and Founder of Win This Fight, Stop Human Trafficking Now. She holds a BA degree with honors from Harvard University and a Masters from George Washington University. She’s s a past president of the 40,000 member American Agri-Women and she was a U.S. Delegate to the United Nations Conference on Women in Nairobi. As a columnist for 22 years, her column, THE ENVIRONMENT AND YOU, was the most widely syndicated environmental columnist in the US. She is the founder and president of “Win This Fight! Stop Human Trafficking Now” an organization that raises funds and awareness for other anti-trafficking initiatives. Mitzi presents a way that you can, at no cost, raise awareness about human trafficking while also raising funds. For more information go to
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Viral Media Fundraising: Growth Hacking That's Here to Stay
01/24/2021
Viral Media Fundraising: Growth Hacking That's Here to Stay
Viral Media Fundraising: Growth Hacking That's Here to Stay with Pete Winters Pete Winters is a 30-year veteran of the communications industry having started with print, innovating through cross media, digital media and his present specialty, viral media. Pete focuses on helping nonprofits, causes and foundations increase their chances of going viral. Pete says: Many organizations have the potential to go viral, but not 1 in 100 know how. For an organization, the benefits of going viral are out of this world extraordinary. Campaigns that have gone viral leave clues. Those clues can be turned into replicable strategies and tactics that organizations can use to increase their chances of getting there. This discussion will walk through the what, and the how, of going viral including suggestions of what Causes can do to assess their chances of potential success.
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How to Give $1 Million Per Year to Charity
01/17/2021
How to Give $1 Million Per Year to Charity
How to Give $1 Million Per Year to Charity with Mike Skrypnek Mike Skrypnek is a business coach, international speaker and seven time bestselling author. Mike helps impact-minded, mid-career entrepreneur business owners who know they could do more, but aren't serving enough of their ideal clients to succeed and achieve the way they know they can. They know if only they could realize this growth, they could have the big impact they always desired while building a great business and enjoying a great life. His proprietary training teaches his Grow Get Give philosophy. Divining the true desire for impact within business leaders' intentions is key to understanding the path to giving. When you uncover passion to make a difference, it is possible to align those values with a Big Impact Goal that connects a business purpose with action. It is a bold step to choose giving in business over scarcity mindset and hoarding impulses. Mike will share his journey to find his own way to giving in the financial services industry, while learning from the successful business lkeaders he guided to realize their impact.
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Increasing Philanthropy with Planned Giving and Opportunity Zone Funds
01/10/2021
Increasing Philanthropy with Planned Giving and Opportunity Zone Funds
Increasing Philanthropy with Planned Giving and Opportunity Zone Funds with Brion Crum Brion Crum is a Vice President, Investments, at Caliber Companies. His responsibilities include raising money for Caliber’s multiple real estate funds and helping accredited investors develop their wealth. Prior to Caliber, Brion was a financial advisor at Merrill Lynch and Synergy Investments, advising high-net-worth clients and business owners on strategies for asset protection, tax planning, and portfolio construction. Brion has become an expert and presenter on the Opportunity Zone program and how it creates an impact on the community. Brion has been on the founding advisory board of Eliances, an entrepreneurship community, and is a board member/advisor for a diverse group of organizations that have community impact and sustainability at their core. Brion obtained his BSBA in Finance and Aviation Management from Ohio State University. He is a registered representative with Caliber Funds, which is affiliated with Patrick Capital Markets, LLC – Member FINRA/SIPC1. Through fellow members of the Planned Giving Roundtable, we have enhanced the tax and investment benefits of charitable trust strategies for investors, business owners, and real estate owners by incorporating an Opportunity Zone Fund as an asset in certain charitable trusts. This can be a powerful tool for non-profit organizations to share with their donors who may be anticipating or have experienced a significant liquidity event.
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Learning the Value of Human Alignment / Collaboration
12/29/2020
Learning the Value of Human Alignment / Collaboration
Powerful Collaborations with Stewart Levine Hugh Ballou: Welcome to The Nonprofit Exchange. Russell, here we are again. Week after week, we have amazing people. Yet today, this is a friend from years ago. I sent out an email asking people if they wanted to contribute to the magazine or be on the show. Immediately, Stewart Levine responded. How are things in Denver today, Russell? Russell Dennis: It’s a little cloudy, a little bit cooler than it has been. But we are in the fall season. All is well otherwise. Welcome, Stewart. Thank you for coming. Stewart Levine: My pleasure to be with you guys today. I will be landing in Denver early tomorrow morning and then driving up to Vail for some American Bar Association meetings. Interesting, because I have a new book called Becoming the Best Lawyer You Can Be: How to Maintain Physical, Emotional, Spiritual, and Mental Health. The American Bar Association, 27 authors, I curated it and edited it. I’m actually very excited about it. Hugh: Look at that. Let’s back up. I’m sure there is people watching who want to know who this guy is anyway. Why don’t you tell them, Stewart? Stewart: Thank you, Hugh. Here’s the short synopsis. I practiced law for about 10 years in a reasonably traditional number of contexts, starting off in the New Jersey Attorney General’s office. Then I got tired of fighting with people. And it was before the whole ADR, Alternative Dispute Resolution, movement came on board. So I decided to do a little career change. I spent six years inside of AT&T as they were going through huge organizational change and transformation with major law firms as my clients, not in a legal sense, but in an account representative sense. On a parallel track, I started divorce meditation because I wanted to use the skills I had developed as a lawyer. I learned a lot about communication, about collaboration, about conflict resolution working with couples getting divorced because no one is in worse shape than that. Over time, I moved that work over into working with organizations, teens, organizational transformational cultural change work, individual coaching. For the last 30 years, that essentially is what I have been doing. The last 10 years, I have learned a ton of teaching programs and all the soft skills, relationship skills on behalf of the American Management Association. I have done a number of collaborations over time with various other individuals, all in the organizational space. That is the short synopsis, except I have also written a couple of best-selling books. The first one is called Getting to Resolution: Turning Conflict into Collaboration. It was endorsed by Stephen Covey. It was named one of the best business books of 1998, second edition came out in 2008. A follow-up called The Book of Agreement: 10 Essential Elements for Getting the Results You Want. That was endorsed by a number of notable people. That’s the short answer. You and I met in the context of both being on the faculty of an organization called CEO Space. It’s a pleasure to see your face again, Hugh. Hugh: It’s a pleasure. Thank you for stepping up when I sent out that probing email. Actually, we were standing in those groups out in the lobby, and someone was addressing the group. I whipped out my draft of my workbook, Dealing with High Performance Teams, and I said, “Would you do me a favor and review this? Tell me what it’s missing.” You sent me an email saying there was nothing about agreements in here. So I asked if I could quote your book of the 10EssentialElementsofAgreementsso I could give you attribution. I refer to those all the time. I send people to Amazon to get that book. It’s really a treasure. We are speaking to people who are in the social benefit/for-purpose sector. They are clergy running a church or synagogue. They are executive directors running a for-purpose community-based organization. They are running a membership organization. I see a lot of conflict because people haven’t been really good in creating this agreement. They don’t write it down. They haven’t decided how we are going to define expectations. I would guess, we’re talking about collaboration and alignment today. I would think one tenet of alignment is to be able to have your expectations written down. Where do you start with alignment? What is the starting point? Stewart: Sure. Just to frame this, what I always say to people is you can pay me now or pay me later. If you pay me now, you’ll pay me a lot less. Essentially what that means is spend a little time on the front end, making sure you have alignment, making sure you have shared expectations. Otherwise, the root of conflict is when people have different understandings of what they are doing together, and they have a different sense of metrics in terms of how we are going to measure whether or not we were successful. Critical piece is spending time on the front end. TheBookofAgreementcontains about 30 models of agreements for getting to a place of alignment. Those ten elements are actually so good I put them on the back of my business card. It’s not like I’m trying to keep any secrets. I am happy to give them away. You start off by having a conversation. What is our intent and vision? In other words, what are we doing together? What’s our intent and vision? By the way, as a little aside, most legal agreements are something that I refer to as agreements for protection. What if this goes wrong, and what if that goes wrong? There is not a huge amount of time spent on what we are trying to achieve here. That was the perspective that I took. What is our intent and vision? What is the role that each one of us is going to play? In other words, what is each party or person responsible for? What are the specific promises that each person makes? In other words, what is each person going to do to bring that vision into reality? How are they going to contribute? What is the value that each person receives? Why? Because if people don’t receive, if they are not getting value out of any form of collaboration, they will stop contributing. They will stop performing. Metrics. How will you measure whether or not you were successful? Get it to a place of objectivity. Concerns and fears. People often have concerns and fears that they don’t want to talk about. They are shy. What I like to do is put this in the model. No, this is something you have to talk about. Renegotiation. The idea that when we begin, we know what we know, but we don’t know what we don’t know. As we work together, moving down the road, we discover things, and we constantly need to be mindful of renegotiating that agreement to make sure we are back in a place of alignment. Consequences or benefits. What’s at stake here? What’s really at stake in this collaboration for the individuals involved, for the organization, for the community that is being served in the world of nonprofit and benefit organizations? Conflict resolution. We know that things happen. How are we going to resolve the conflicts and differences when they come up? After you have talked about those nine things, you look at the other person or the group and go, Yes or no. This is a project that I am engaged with. What I like to say is if you got good alignment, you don’t have to worry about loose panels flapping off the rocket ship that you are trying to get to take off. I’m not sure where that came from. A little feedback from the universe. That’s okay. The last element, number ten, is agreement and trust. Are we aligned? This is what is essential to do at the front end. People who start to use this and discover it think it’s like sliced bread. It’s just amazing, the simple ten element model, what it can create and what it can save you in the long run. Hugh: Absolutely. I call it paying the upfront price. You quoted the oil filter pay me now or pay me later. That’s a great commercial. It’s so true. It’s the price upfront is far cheaper. That’s a brilliant model. What happens when you get to #10 is you really know that you have an agreement. Stewart: You know you have an agreement, or you know you don’t, which is of equal value. You know that Okay, this is, we’re not in alignment. I don’t think we can get to alignment. This is not a good project to work on together. Hugh: I don’t know if you know I do lots of group board meetings and staff meetings. I am fundamentally a music connector who helps build ensembles, which is synergy in group interaction. In the South, y’all can tell I’m in the South, we say none of us is as smart as all of us. How do you get the best collective thinking without going into groupthink? My answer to that is we teach people how to build consensus. I find most people confuse consensus and compromise when they are the exact opposite. A consensus is a win-win, and compromise is lose-lose. What dawns on me as you are describing that model which I have read so many times is that prompts people to talk in a different way, discover new things, and come to some sort of consensus that whether we can work together or we can’t. Is consensus part of alignment? Stewart: Absolutely. Consensus is essentially alignment. I’m glad you mentioned the word “compromise.” You said it exactly correctly, Hugh. Compromise means to lose-lose. People giving up what’s important to them. Consensus is we are all in agreement, we are all in alignment, we are all moving forward toward the same things with the same end result in mind. Hugh: It’s very misunderstood. What setting it is. A corporate setting, a boardroom, or anything like that. I think it’s really misunderstood. It’s important that we can build that synergy if we are going to work together as teams. Why is alignment essential in today’s world? Why don’t you go to D.C. and teach them? You can skip that second part. Stewart: I want to go back a second, and I will come to your question. I want to punctuate this point, Hugh. What also happens in the process of having this conversation is you start to develop a real deeper relationship. I don’t mean an intimate personal relationship; I mean a working relationship. And as we all know, when you have relationship with people you are working with, it’s much easier to resolve differences, which will inherently come up. The only reason people end up in lawsuits is when relationships break down. That’s the only time they resort to those 100-page agreements that attorneys prepare, when the relationship breaks down. Otherwise, they work it out; they want to keep working together. Having said that, why is this more important in today’s world? I think it’s more important in today’s world because we have a lot less face-to-face interaction. So much of what we’re doing transactionally is virtual. In those kinds of situations, it’s easier to be a jerk. And people don’t consciously spend time to build relationships. This is a way to do it. That’s one piece. The second piece is it’s too costly when things break down. When you end up in conflict and any kind of lawsuits or legal process, you can’t afford it. You can’t afford to waste that time removing so quick. Three is if you look out at the world, it seems that there is a movement toward a much more values-based business and organizational culture. Much more. Because people realize what goes around comes around. You can’t treat transactions as a one-shot deal. We have to be more relational and values-based. Even the millennial generation coming up, for them, it’s real important to be part of a mission-driven organization, whatever that mission happens to be. To frame for-profit missions as having a “missionary” value. Business organizations in some sense are becoming a place where people get in culture. Business, nonprofits, in that context, it’s where we spend so much time. Bringing values and alignment into that are critical. Probably more than you wanted to hear. To go back to that other question about Washington D.C., about 10 years ago, I was actually doing a two-day program for the Federal Executive Institute, which is run out of the Treasury Department. I had about 75 people for two days. At the end of the program, a bunch of Navy officers came up to me in white uniforms and said, “You need to go down the block and teach those guys in Congress.” Bottom line is, I don’t know if you remember those old jokes, “How many blanks does it take to change a light bulb?” How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but it’s got to want to change. The guys in D.C., I use guys generically, they don’t seem to want to change. They are sitting in some old cultural model, and that’s why the rating in D.C. of the folks that we elect as representatives and our employees, the ratings are so incredibly low. Hugh: They are. We are shaped by the culture that we have experienced and the culture we have been injected into. We don’t have to accept that. I can’t imagine what it’s like on the inside. Some of the large companies and some of the large churches I have served have a culture. You refer to this topic of conflict. Before we leave the alignment and agreement piece, what I have experienced when people have those kinds of conversations. By the way, another piece Russell and I present and attend is the Business Acceleration Summit with your cheerleader Shannon Gronich, who studied your program with you. She uses it quite well. In going through that process, there is a transformation that happens with people’s perspective, even those who want to change. There is a substantive transformation that happens. Give us the story. Am I right? Does that happen with people exploring those options? If so, is there an example without giving away names of the kind of transformation that happens when people can have a different kind of conversation? Stewart: It creates connection. Connectivity. To me, human connectivity is the key to productivity. That sounds like a rhyme. Connectivity is the key to productivity. It is. If you think about high performance teams, what was it about the teams that made them great? The human relationships. The high levels of trust. When you create alignment, that is naturally going to happen. For religious organizations, go back to the words of Christ. Wherever two or more of you are gathered, there is one. When you create alignment and connection, you create a different kind of energy. It’s there. It’s there. One other thing I wanted to say about this, Hugh. You mentioned the word “culture.” I do cultural transformation work. People often ask for that. It’s a very amorphous concept. When you think about what is culture in an organization, culture is actually held in relationships. Relationships are a function of agreements, implicit and explicit. I say if we can make our agreements explicit, we can change the culture. By having agreements with how we will be with each other, how we will treat each other. I have done this in many organizations over time. It always comes up value-based because people use their highest aspirations when they are creating these kinds of agreements. Culture. Huge piece. Hugh: Let’s focus in a minute. As a conductor, I create high performance cultures in choirs and orchestras. If you are familiar, the person at the front influences others. I have a lot of leaders say, “I want other people to change.” I point out, “That ain’t gonna happen unless you change.” I don’t know if you’re familiar with the work of Murray Bowen, the psychiatrist who has a whole leadership methodology. Bowen’s wisdom is if you want to change people on your team, you change yourself, and they reflect that. What you are talking about is the vulnerability of the leader willing to open their brains to something new. Stewart: Jim Kouzes, favorite leadership consultant, and his partner Barry Posner. Talk about as one of the key elements of leadership modeling the way. That is a validation of what you just said. Modeling the way. Change yourself. Show others how you want them to be. Critical piece. Hugh: Amen. Stewart: Amen. It’s interesting. I did a project for a state government agency a few years ago. You asked for an example. They were implementing a new fiscal system to the entire state. It was coming out of the controller’s office. You can imagine the political, the legacy systems. It was a group of professional accountants who were charged with the pilot program. I got a call from someone who had seen me present about 10 years ago for the Project Management Institutes in the Greater Bay Area of San Francisco, which is where I am. I got in there and used the models that we’re talking about to get to the bottom of what conflicts were between the various units and to create an agreement about how it was that these folks were going to move forward with the level of human alignment to get this first pilot off the ground and in the implementation off the ground. It’s amazing what these ten elements of agreement can do. It’s a systematic way of creating an activity, alignment, a shift in culture, how to get humans hooked up and connected. Hugh: I’m coming back. We are champions of transformational leadership. That is a transformational mindset here of people being aware. I think what happens when I have seen leaders go through steps like which you are proposing, there is a transformation of their knowledge and their being. They see the world differently when they start having conversations. Stewart: I call that mindset “resolutionary thinking.” Resolutionary thinking. Mindset is certainly something that I talk about. As a matter of fact, in my first book, when Stephen Covey endorsed it, he actually said, “The mindset and the skillset are just terrific.” Hugh: Love it. I have been hogging all the time here. I want to give Russell a chance. He listens. Russell, I notice Stewart doesn’t miss a lick. He comes back to my questions even though I forgot I asked them. Real clarity of thought here. Russell, what are you hearing? Before we switch over to talking about conflict, do you have any observations or questions on this powerful part Stewart is bringing to us? Russell: Thinking about alignment, it starts with ourselves. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that’s why you wrote this book: to talk about internal alignment. We all have that. When we recognize that need to align ourselves internally, then we get along better with others. What is critical to this alignment and approaching this process in this manner it stops any problems before they start. People don’t do business with entities; people do business with people. If we are not aligned or on the same page, it won’t work very well. I really appreciate all of the things that I see. This is a book I keep for myself. I have used it to put agreements together that I put together for people I do business with so that we can create a good set of expectations. We don’t want to have problems later. Although this book has been around for a while, people don’t seem to be as proactive as they could be. You look at your typical agreement, and it’s written in legalese. We don’t want to duck for cover. We want to work together and solve some problems. I love your approach in that way. Stewart: It’s interesting, Russell. Having practiced law for ten years, I saw all these legal books that their lawyers put their names in. In some ways, when I wrote The Book of Agreement, it was my antidote to that kind of agreement. The legal agreements I call agreements of protection. My agreements I call agreements for results. They help you get to that place you want to. Thank you. Thank you. To validate your point, this whole notion of being aligned internally, having some level of clarity, having some level of emotional...
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