Leadership Kung Fu
For a company's leaders and managers to thrive they must become masters of transformation and agile learners; they must commit the energy and time to be better. This podcast discusses the current critical skills and practices for organizational leaders and managers to become more effective in their roles. Join Jennifer Long and Sandi Verrecchia, each a seasoned executive coach, as they discuss specific ideas and actions leaders and managers can take and practice to create positive impacts within their organizations.
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59 - Conscious Un-Bossing: The New Distaste for Managing
05/31/2025
59 - Conscious Un-Bossing: The New Distaste for Managing
It's a group effort over here on Leadership Kung Fu, so we're glad you're here for episode 59! Join Jen and Sandi as they dissect the topic of Concious Un-Bossing, and listen along as they cover: Jen's NEW book how Gen Z is bringing changes to the workplace conscious uncoupling what it means to start to change a workplace culture purpose over power inclusivity is a power tool trust at every level and how it becomes an operating system mature accountability systems how group leadership makes you a better person how leading is a capability, not a title what advantages your business can gain from this model how shifting to a new cultural model takes time the books by Gary Hamel and Michele Zanini and by Julian Stodd what happens when human solve problems together and more! Thank you so much for listening! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform, and make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Email us at or leave us a comment on LinkedIn! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite listening platform!
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58 - Leading Hybrid and Remote
04/30/2025
58 - Leading Hybrid and Remote
Travel back in time with Jen and Sandi as they chat about a topic that's not necessarily new, but is certainly still a topic of discussion: working remotely and hybrid workforces! Whether you're taking a break in the breakroom or moving laundry inbetween meetings, listen along as Jen and Sandi discuss: The importance of asking questions and the weight of listening a brief conversation about how engagement surveys can fail you thinking about how your work is best done could influece hybrid work management what working in a conducive environment to the work you do can influence work output looking at the work instead of seeking giving "same treatment" what can cause resentment among hybrid teams the strategy of shaping in office/remote work around the type of people who work for/with you the state of strategy your workforce is the solution if you are setting them up for success regardless of environment new terms and slang that have come from 5 years of hybrid workforces how celebrating success is important half thebattle is understanding the correct problems to solve benefits and more! Thank you so much for listening! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform, and make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Email us at or leave us a comment on LinkedIn! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite listening platform!
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57 - Reactive Fist, Broken Mind: The Cost of Fearful Leadership
03/31/2025
57 - Reactive Fist, Broken Mind: The Cost of Fearful Leadership
Don't be afraid, it's a new episode of Leadership Kung Fu! This episode is all about fearful leadership and what that can cost your place of business. Jen and Sandi waste no time diving into what can truly be at stake when leadership takes a reactive instead of a strategic approach. Listen along as they delve into: what can trigger reactive leadership how you show up and how that can impact your team and their action what short-term thinking means for long term effects how reactionary actions affect overall messages/goals of a company what drivers trigger responses/what leaders might be afraid of talent drain the fear around fear-based decisions the dangers of a non-response impacts on factors outside of business what helps create strategic calm the importance of time for strategies tools that can help combat reactive leadership and more! Listen in to help give your leadership tips to retract the reactivity and hold space for strategy. Thank you so much for listening! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform, and make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Email us at or leave us a comment on LinkedIn! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite listening platform!
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56 - Deflect and Redirect: Handling Conflict Like a Kung Fu Master
02/28/2025
56 - Deflect and Redirect: Handling Conflict Like a Kung Fu Master
How to deal with conflict can be, well, confliciting! In this episode, Jen and Sandi tackle the topic of conflict and how knowing yourself can aid you in knowing how to conquer conflict! Listen along as they cover: why conflict can be good for leaders the different types of conflict how to identify what your own conflict behavior is what harm withdrawing from conflict can do the role of EQ (emotional intelligence) in conflict and the weight it carries the gift of considering different perspectives and the ability to get out of your own head how engaging with others is NOT a weakness in leadership increased communication versatility the importance of sleeping on a decision and taking time to process the information the cost of doing conflict poorly and more! Tune in to hear more tips so you can conquer conflict with ease! Thank you so much for listening! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform, and make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn and be sure to leave us a review on your favorite listening platform!
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55 - Leading with Clarity-Debunking Leadership Myths
01/31/2025
55 - Leading with Clarity-Debunking Leadership Myths
Welcome to Episode 55 of Leadership Kung Fu! Jen and Sandi are back after a shiny new rebrand and a first episode of 2025! To start out this year, listen along as they tackle topics such as: what has changed within things you subscribe to and how the workplace is different than what it was 10/15+ years ago how "no" is not a bad word in the workplace vulnerability is a good, healthy thing not all leaders are charismatic results vs. relationships and the importance of workplace connections how relationships ≠ "liking" someone how our words set us up to show up time and energy management and more! Tune in as they bust more leadership myths to start your 2025 with clarity! Thank you so much for listening! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform, and make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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54 - The Art of Goal Setting, Keeping, and Achieving
12/27/2024
54 - The Art of Goal Setting, Keeping, and Achieving
Happy holidays from Organizational Transformational Kung Fu: The Podcast! Jen and Sandi are looking to the future this week and talk about goals and how to set them, keep them, and meet them! Follow along as they chat about: their year in review what reflection can do for you and writing vs. typing/digital record keeping hard vs. soft transformations the role of practice and support in discipline what we're really doing when we "let ourselves off the hook" the importance of the set up short term does for long term how we are influenced by the number of goals we set considering a "shift" instead of a "stop" an exciting new change coming to OTKF in 2025! We want to thank each and every one of you for your support all throughout 2024, and we cannot wait to see what we can do in 2025! See you next year! Thank you so much for listening! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform, and make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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53 - Listening as a Leader
11/29/2024
53 - Listening as a Leader
In this week's episode of OT Kung Fu, Jen and Sandi revisit the types of listening they talked about with author Sean Grace and ponder how the listening types affect us in the workplace. Join them as they cover: how virtual calls have affected listening the importance of body language what curiosity really does for you conversational blindspots levels of learning Neha Sangwan's book and more! Thank you so much for listening! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform, and make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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52 - Say What? The Art of the Question with Author Sean Grace
10/25/2024
52 - Say What? The Art of the Question with Author Sean Grace
Welcome back to OT Kung Fu: The Podcast! Sandi and Jen are joined this week by the incredible author Sean Grace! From Sean's website: "Sean Grace is a communication consultant, author, coach, and speaker, with over 25 years of experience developing and training sales, marketing, and leadership talent across diverse industries. His unique brand of business consulting is forged from his long career in media, advertising, and the creative arts. Sean studied music performance at the Juilliard School and SUNY Purchase, and finance at Wharton. As an award winning musician and multi-instrumentalist, he borrows techniques from jazz improvisation to help foster creative collaboration and cooperation within and across teams. Sean’s track record of success as a consultant and coach has earned him a reputation as a trusted advisor and trainer to some of the world’s most innovative and successful organizations." Listen along as Jen, Sandi, and Sean discuss topics from Sean's new book The Art of the Question: A Guide for Seekers, Dreamers, Problem Solvers and Leaders such as: the value of creative thinking in a post-pandemic workplace Sean's workflow in how he got started in the formulation of questions how vital curiosity and openness is to the process of questions the 3 phase model types of listening and the effect on conversations and situations the Socratic 8 his work as a musician and his album "Wonderland" the origin of the name OT Kung Fu! You can connect with Sean at and find his book over at ! Thank you so much for joining us, Sean! Thank you so much for listening! If you like what you hear, leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform, and make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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51 - Conversations on Change with Curtis Bateman
09/27/2024
51 - Conversations on Change with Curtis Bateman
Welcome to Episode 51 of OT Kung Fu: The Podcast! Joining Jen and Sandi this week is Curtis Bateman, co-author of Change: How to Turn Uncertainty Into Opportunity and vice president of direct international offices for FranklinCovey. From the FranklinCovey site: "With over twenty-five years of experience in the training industry, Curtis is an internationally recognized presenter, content developer, change consultant, business leader, and coach. His passion for enabling organizations “at change” resulted in the co-creation of transformative, industry-leading solutions, including Change Element, Leaders@Change, Managing Millennials, Millennials@Work, and the Change Practitioner." We're thrilled to have Curtis join us to talk about what change means to a leader and the workplace as a whole! Listen along to the conversation as they cover: the behaviors that show up when change comes what it means to be reactive vs. choosing a reaction what a change introduction does risks and rewards of change how leaders can maintain good effects of change compliance vs. engagement and more! You can read more about Curtis and check out more of his articles at his page and follow him on his ! Thank you so much for listening! Make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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50 - Thinking About Hidden Potential by Adam Grant
08/30/2024
50 - Thinking About Hidden Potential by Adam Grant
It's OT Kung Fu's 50th episode! We have another book review episode, this week featuring Hidden Potential by Adam Grant! Join Jen and Sandi while they cover topics like: -Performance Reviews and how they have changed from potential to goal-oriented -How imperfect leaders are more beneficial than "perfect" leaders -How meeting folks where there are at instead of where you want them to be cultivates a better workplace culture -High potential compared to related experience -Why learning agility is more valuable as a leadership predictor -Why self-reflection is such an important tool -Learning curves and useful uncomfortability -Imposter Syndrome and feedback -Self-awareness and how it echoes into other aspects of life -How a "scarcity"mindset affects you -"Learning Organizations" and follow-through -How tech and instant delivery plays in You can check you more about Adam Grant book and take the assessment on his page at ! Thank you so much for listening! Make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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49 - Leadership and Building Organizational Capacity with Todd Conklin
07/31/2024
49 - Leadership and Building Organizational Capacity with Todd Conklin
You made it to the end of July, and we have a new episode of OT Kung Fu for you to celebrate and gear up before a new month begins tomorrow! Jen and Sandi are joined on this episode by Dr. Todd Conklin, author of Pre-Accident Investigations: An Introduction to Organizational Safety as well as host of his organizational safety podcast of the same name. From his website: "Todd Conklin spent 25 years at Los Alamos National Laboratory as a Senior Advisor for Organizational and Safety Culture. Los Alamos National Laboratory is one of the world’s foremost research and development laboratories; Dr. Conklin has been working on the Human Performance program for the last 15 years of his 25-year career. It is in this fortunate position where he enjoys the best of both the academic world and the world of safety in practice. Conklin holds a Ph.D. in organizational behavior from the University of New Mexico. He speaks all over the world to executives, groups and work teams who are interested in better understanding the relationship between the workers in the field and the organization’s systems, processes, and programs. He has brought these systems to major corporations around the world. Conklin practices these ideas not only in his own workplace, but also in the event investigations at other workplaces around the world. Conklin’s best selling book, Pre-Accident Investigations: An introduction to Organizational Safety is a best selling book on safety. Conklin has several other books and a huge podcast following for his twice-weekly podcast of the same name. Conklin defines safety at his workplace like this: 'Safety is the ability for workers to be able to do work in a varying and unpredictable world.'" Listen along as they talk about the 5 HOP principles mentioned in Dr.Conklin's book and how leadership mindsets can flourish within those principles, what simply having confidence can do for you, "why?" versus "how?" and what kind of leader flocks to each question, and more! Thank you so much for joining us on this episode, Dr. Conklin! You can find all of Dr. Conklin's books and his podcast on his page on HOP Hub . Dr. Conklin and Jen will be speaking at the next Conklin Conference in Santa Fe, NM from September 10th-September 12th 2024. You can sign up for the conference . Thank you so much for listening! Make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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48 - Influence as a Strategy: Getting Better Outcomes with Others
06/28/2024
48 - Influence as a Strategy: Getting Better Outcomes with Others
Happy Summer! Beat the heat with Sandi and Jen and listen along as they tackle the topic of influence (as a person, not for social media)! Today they cover: How reciprocity is different within the workplace How you show up as a leader to your peers vs. to your boss The traits of a successful workplace influencer Their love and use of the within training they have done Negotiation awareness and the balance required to not cross the line into manipulation Persuasion vs. Influence and more! Thank you so much for listening! Make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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47 - Work-Life Bloom with author Dan Pontefract
05/24/2024
47 - Work-Life Bloom with author Dan Pontefract
We have a real treat for listeners today! Jen and Sandi are joined by award-winning author Dan Pontefract to talk about his new book Work-Life Bloom: How to Nurture a Team that Flourishes! From his website: "Dan is a renowned keynote speaker who has presented at four TED events and delivers approximately 50 keynotes annually. He is an adjunct professor at the University of Victoria’s Gustavson School of Business and has received over 25 industry, individual, and book awards." Listen along as Dan, Sandi, and Jen cover topics such as: The origin of Work-Life Bloom Personas in Work/Life Balance "Soil" vs "Water" tests in the workplace Workplace Vulnerability and Gen Z You can connect with Dan on his website , and you can check out the book's page at Dan's Assessment: Connect with Dan on ! Thank you so much for listening! Make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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46 - Critical Thinking and Problem Solving for Teams: A Red Teaming Review
04/19/2024
46 - Critical Thinking and Problem Solving for Teams: A Red Teaming Review
Welcome back to OT Book Club, er, we mean OT Kung Fu! Jen and Sandi invite you to listen in as they discuss "Red Teaming: How Your Business Can Conquer the Competition by Challenging Everything" by Bryce G. Hoffman. Enjoy the ASMR of Jen and Sandi flipping through to their favorite parts and points of the book and chatting about how you can empower your teams to think critically in tough situations, and how you can get that critical thinking to produce critical solutions! If you want Jen and Sandi to reviews about teams or accountability solutions or situations in the future, let us know! Thank you so much for listening! Make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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45 - The Customer Experience and a Coaching Approach with Dan Coldwell
02/23/2024
45 - The Customer Experience and a Coaching Approach with Dan Coldwell
Happy February Podcast! Jen and Sandi are joined by Dan Coldwell this week, a colleague of Sandi's at Satori Consulting, Inc. Dan has 30 years of experience in financial services as an executive and industry speaker and has also served as chief marketing and chief operations officer in past positions. He is a hockey certified coach, and he "cross-pollinates" (as he puts it) between the business and sports world. Listen along as they chat about: Acting on feedback/pain points The 3 steps of responding to feedback Feedback collection Do's and Don'ts How to not fear bad reviews because of what they do for good reviews Thank you so much for joining Jen and Sandi, Dan! If you'd like to chat more with Dan about the customer experience, you can contact him through the Thank you so much for listening! Make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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44 - Transformational Leadership with Cara Cameron
01/25/2024
44 - Transformational Leadership with Cara Cameron
Happy first podcast of 2024! We're starting out this new year with a treat for you- Jen and Sandi are joined by Sandi's colleague Cara Cameron, who holds the position of Chief Future of Work for Mutual Insurance. She has worked in Human Resources for over 15 years and is passionate about developing leaders. With her Chief Future of Work position, she is able to better analyze how the changing workforce impacts the organization, teams, and how those parties respond to the change. Listen along as Jen, Sandi, and Cara talk about: How do employees want to work/what they are looking for from a Chief Future of Work how the position develops and implements plans around intention and how HR supports those intentions how they meet skepticism and the "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude how supportive CEOs/Presidents/Leadership are the keys to enacting positive change what it means when you understand where your team is through touch points and intentional support that Performance Management is an ongoing process Thank you so much for listening! Make sure to check out the video cast under the "Videos" tab! Connect with Jen on and visit her website Connect with Sandi on and visit her website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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43 - Change Starts with You
12/28/2023
43 - Change Starts with You
Surprise! One additional episode before the New Year! This week, Jen and Sandi discuss changes in the workplace and how those changes come about. It all starts from the same place: you! Join them as they cover: -how change is not linear, but dynamic -how to go about thinking about change and understanding the "why" of change -how changing requires vulnerability -the -the level of awareness in change -self-reflection when it comes to change and more! Enjoy this last episode of 2023, and Jen and Sandi will see you in 2024! Check out the Video cast under the "Video" tab! Connect with Jen on Connect with Sandi on Visit Jen's website Visit Sandi's website Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment on LinkedIn!
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42 - Leveraging Mastermind Groups to Grow Yourself and Your Business with Julie Ellis
12/12/2023
42 - Leveraging Mastermind Groups to Grow Yourself and Your Business with Julie Ellis
Happy December! This week, Jen and Sandi are joined by fellow entrepreneur and author Julie Ellis! Join the trio as they discuss: -Julie's start with Mabel's Labels and how she scales her leadership systems for different sized teams at different revenue numbers - Julie's new Mastermind project: a peer-reviewed mentorship for women in business and how to scale your successes -What evolutions take place as your business grows in sales and in people and the leadership needs that come from that - Julie's Book Big Gorgeous Goals:How Bold Women Achieve Great Things Thank you so much for joining us, Julie! If you have a question for Jen, Sandi, or Julie, leave a comment below or connect with them on LinkedIn! You can find Julie by clicking the following: Julie's Julie's Julie's Buy Julie's Check out the Video cast under the "Video" tab! Visit Jen's website Visit Sandi's website Connect with Jen on Connect with Sandi on Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment or connect on LinkedIn!
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41 - Strong Leaders Know They Are Imperfect
11/09/2023
41 - Strong Leaders Know They Are Imperfect
In this episode of OT Kung Fu, join Jen and Sandi as they dive into how strong leaders are able to recognize their own shortcomings to encourage their own growth and stability as leaders. Topics in this episode include: - self reflection and the act of identifying your own insecurities and how that is a helpful skill -Imposter syndrome -The Johari Window -Humility and learning from mistakes -How being vulnerable is vital to learning -Adaptability and Inclusivity within that self-reflection Check out the Video cast under the "Video" tab on the OT Kung Fu Website! Visit Jen's website Visit Sandi's website Connect with Jen on Connect with Sandi on Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment!
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40 - Leadership Training at the Top
10/04/2023
40 - Leadership Training at the Top
Join Jen and Sandi LIVE from New York (not on Saturday Night, unfortunately) as they discuss how often the teams at the top and how the top team can be skipped when they start investing in team learning and workplace learning. They touch on the importance of top teams always checking in with their own learning as organizational health can shift and grow. Editor's note: due the location and way of recording, there is a door noise at the 11:10 mark. Removing this would also remove the voice audio, so we were only able to dampen it. Jen is also wearing jewelry that clicks when moved, and we could not could not separate out without deleting voice lines as well. We apologize if these are distracting. Have a comment, question, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment in the box below!
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39 - Psychological Safety and Accountability
08/02/2023
39 - Psychological Safety and Accountability
Sandi and Jen explore the topic of what it means when someone feels psychologically safe in a workplace and where that starts for us, and what effect that can have on workplace accountability. Have a question, comment, or topic for Sandi and Jen? Leave us a comment in the box below!
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38 - Getting Results from DEI Efforts
07/06/2023
38 - Getting Results from DEI Efforts
Jen and Sandi take on a relevant topic of DEI- Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion within the workplace to ensure it's not just a token requirement that is met simply to tick a box. They round out Pride Month by placing the workplace and ourselves under the microscope with how to we recognize and shift into DEI mindsets.
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37 - Meeting Disciplines
06/01/2023
37 - Meeting Disciplines
Join Sandi and Jen as they tackle the topic of meetings, the kind of people who show up to them, and what makes a meeting actually worth your time to attend. As the nature of meetings has changed in recent years, Jen and Sandi encourage reflection on the hows and whys of meetings and their attendees at their cores.
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36 - Coaching Leaders
05/03/2023
36 - Coaching Leaders
Join Sandi and Jen as they dive into what it takes and means to coach leaders and how to encourage them and keep them as new folks are stepping into leadership roles. They also discuss how leaders can learn and adapt that "coaching" role as modern leadership takes on more than previous years.
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35 - Establishing Teams and Team Norms
04/12/2023
35 - Establishing Teams and Team Norms
Jen and Sandi come to you today talking about what it a team truly is and what it takes to establish that team and the normalities needed for the team to function cohesively and productively.
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34 - Good Strategy, Bad Strategy
03/03/2023
34 - Good Strategy, Bad Strategy
Join Sandi and Jen as they discuss good strategies in the workplace versus bad ones, and how to get your team through both. Listen in as they discuss some of their favorite strategy authors, resources, and inspirations to navigate process and product.
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33 - Leading in Stressful Times
02/23/2023
33 - Leading in Stressful Times
This week, Jen and Sandi discuss the workplace post-pandemic, and the humanness of the stresses that are sourced from the adaptations we've had to make. They offer some solutions to keeping yourself and your team stress-free while navigating hybrid work environments.
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32 - Retention
02/10/2023
32 - Retention
Sandi and Jen meet to discuss retention of employees in the workplace and what that looks like in 2023. With much of the workforce now remote, what can managers and leaders do to keep them engaged, and what does that look like versus those who wanted to come back to the office? Tune in to hear how things have changed and how to navigate the waves of management.
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31 – Strategic Whiplash
01/27/2023
31 – Strategic Whiplash
Jen and Sandi discuss VUCA-Volatility, Uncertainty, Complexity and Ambiguity and what the impact of changing strategies can bring to the pace of our lives and the business world. What events in the workplace give us whiplash, and how do we come out of it?
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30 - Neuroscience of Accountability
05/20/2022
30 - Neuroscience of Accountability
Sandi and Jen interview Reut Schwartz-Hebron. Reut, Sandi and Jen discuss how accountability interacts with neuroscience and how that affects work and life. Reut trains and supports coaches, consultants, and HR leaders to complete their Certification in Applied Neuroscience.
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