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info_outline Dena Justice - Using Neuro Linguistic Programming to Create Change in the Unconscious Mind 04/07/2020
Dena Justice - Using Neuro Linguistic Programming to Create Change in the Unconscious Mind In this episode, Joe invites previous guest, Dena Justice back on the show to continue the conversation on Neuro Linguistic Programming and non-ordinary states of consciousness. 3 Key Points: 93% of what we do on a day to day basis, is unconscious. If we can figure out how to work with that 93%, then we can really do some important things. A lot of times we aren't happy with our behavior, first we have to distinguish between cause and effect. With effect, you blame other people, but when you're a cause in your life, you're taking responsibility for what's happening. Creating new habits is hard at the conscious level, because it requires conscious thought. NLP focuses on the unconscious. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Last Episode 93% of what we do on a day to day basis, is unconscious If we can figure out how to work with that 93%, then we can really do some important things Communicating with the unconscious mind is kind of how we communicate with ourselves The previous episode was called NLP is all about our nervous system and what is coming in with our 5 senses, then the linguistic part is all about how we communicate what is happening in the body NLP basically creates all of our behavior The more we are able to understand how our unconscious mind works, the better we are able to get the outcomes we actually want Outcomes A lot of times we aren't happy with our behavior First we have to distinguish between cause and effect When you're at effect, you blame other people, but when you're a cause in your life, you're taking responsibility for what's happening “When we can help people be more at cause, they get those desired outcomes, and people start to get to where they want to go in life” - Dena Perception is Projection Whatever you're believing that which is outside of yourself, it's actually a reflection of you Dena said that she won't go to fitness classes simply because of the language they use Altering your state through movement makes a person very vulnerable and the language can be very suggestive What are we subjecting ourselves to everyday? When we sit down to watch TV or movies, we are in a trance-like state Dena suggests being very careful to be aware of what we let in Getting rid of barriers and obstacles to get where you want in life is the goal for NLP Prepping the Unconscious Mind Going to the gym is a habit so many people want to have and don't Creating new habits is hard at the conscious level, because it requires conscious thought When we try to make decisions at the conscious level, it gets really difficult “All learnings and behaviors, happen at the unconscious level” - Dena “How many times did you have to tie your shoes consciously, before you tied your shoes, unconsciously?” - Dena Most people don't have good language running in the background, and that is a big reason why people are stuck in poor behaviors Prime Directives of the Unconscious Mind We create gestalts of emotions and experiences A gestalt looks like a pearl necklace, and they are all related to each other All of our experiences of our emotions (ex. anger) all get hooked together like a necklace It's a way that our mind organizes the information When we learn to re-frame intentionally, we can take it as a tool into non-ordinary states of consciousness Re-framing In psychedelic experiences, we are re-framing the conscious mind, we shake loose of our gestalts “We need to learn new tools in order to directly communicate with the unconscious mind” - Dena When we can get to the ‘aha’ moment, we can create change more quickly Limiting beliefs and negative emotions get in the way Getting rid of limiting beliefs causes massive aligned action which leads to massive life change Tools Our unconscious mind loves following instructions We tell the mind so many don'ts, ‘don't cross the street, don't walk on the grass, etc We need to tell the mind exactly what to do People are really clear about what they don't want, but they aren't always clear on what they do want 7% of what we are saying are just words, the other 93% is is how we say it, our emotions, our infections, are body positions, etc Joe mentions somatic techniques, but that only goes so far, NLP takes it home We learn language, but we don't learn to be effective communicators Workshop Joe, Kyle and Dena are talking about doing a 5-day breathwork and NLP workshop in Sonoma, CA Breathwork is such an amazing tool for non-ordinary state of consciousness Until more news is released about the retreat/workshop, Dena invites listeners to take her course over at her website, Ecstatic Collective Sign up at to be notified of the future workshop Links About Dena Justice As a master manifester, Dena has created a beautiful life for herself. She been financially responsible since age 15 including putting herself through college, two masters degrees and purchasing her own home in the San Francisco Bay Area. She has made over $1M in her life through a fulfilling career as a facilitator, educator, trainer, mentor and coach working with thousands of people across the country. She loved her career, yet hit a point where she felt empty. Near the top of her career ladder, she was a classic case of a high performer and leader hitting burnout. She chose a powerful pivot out of her J-O-B and into her own business. Now, she helps other high performers who have hit burnout and are scared to admit they’ve hit a plateau or a wall. She helps them get the eff out of their own way and move to the next level to increase their impact so they feel fulfilled and inspired again, as well as helping them create more wealth and the relationships they want in their lives. She helps people experience new levels of success, increase/improve focus and performance, abolish FOMO, evolve communication skills, develop transformational leadership skills, create amazing relationships, increase financial abundance and live life on their own terms. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Kyle and Joe - Solidarity Fridays - Week One 04/03/2020
Kyle and Joe - Solidarity Fridays - Week One In today’s Solidarity Friday’s episode with Kyle and Joe, they cover current events on COVID-19, social media narratives, a new world, psycho-pharma, psychedelic VICE articles, movies about acid and more. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Coronavirus Joe and his girlfriend are recovering from being sick, potentially coronavirus (they weren't allowed to be tested without being hospitalized) Joe said he was really sick in a new and novel way Kyle is located in New Jersey (currently around 19,000 cases, close to 250 deaths) He has a weak immune system, so he is trying to be super careful by staying isolated (he hasn't left the house in weeks besides to go on a walk outside) Joe says this whole thing is really going to impact humanity and life on earth The ecosystem of commerce is fragile and this is a strong way of showing it Kyle says that Trump estimated 250,000 deaths in the US Joe says we are going to get through this, and life will go on, but what will that look like? How can the conscious show up as leaders? When we are in a fear state, we don't make rational decisions Narratives Kyle says all of the psychedelic people that he is connected to on social media are posting so much on 5G right now There are dual narratives, like people dying, but also a lot of info on conspiracies What do we pay attention to, and what is really happening? Joe said that he played in the conspiracy, occult area for a while, and he couldn't find any solid ground In times like this, the conspiracy media ramps up, because people are afraid, and that impairs cognition There is a lot of media saying that COVID-19 is a biological weapon There is a lot of unknowns, and how do we not panic? Processing All of This We were not evolved for this moment Now, how do we evolve to handle this stuff? How do we build resilience? As ecosystems collapse, some organisms start to mingle with other organisms and then viruses like this can come up, and will pop up more in the future We are in a spiritual emergence-y right now, we need to bring up our shadow and do the work What can I actually do in my life right now? Instead of worrying about everything A New World 90% of products in the consumer economy right now are completely non-essential We are on a finite planet with finite resources don't mesh with infinite growth Hopefully this is the emergency that we need to re-imagine the future There is a role that the psychedelic community plays in this The psychedelic culture is familiar with sitting with shadow, doing the inner work, and taking a creative approach at alternative systems and reimagining the future Kyle says this feels psychedelic, having new ideas about what the future could look like, what we can offer the future A lot of the things that we wish for are starting to unfold, in some sense, the collective has been wishing for the things that are happening When we take substances, we are upgrading our operating system Psycho-Pharma call themselves a leading neuro-pharma company for psychedelic inspired medicines Right now they are working on a compound, essentially an iboga-like drug There is a lot of suffering happening in the world, and whatever tools that can help with the suffering will do There is a roller coaster of the psychedelic experience If every experience was just rainbows and happiness, it would just devalue the human experience Vice Kyle says think about it, that sitting in a chair for a few hours with music can easily induce a psychedelic experience Joe says “the experience is within you, the drug is a key to help unlock that” Shadow Panel Kyle is co-hosting a with Ido Cohen and takes on a Jung approach to process the shadow They host interviews with doctors and other speakers on the topic They explore a lot of somatics in the shadow It is a donation based course right now, potentially paid in the future Final Thoughts Joe says we are heavily impacted by COVID-19, a ton of breathwork events all had to be cancelled But we have a ton of online courses and resources available, from integration books, to online guided therapist and clinician courses, to psychedelic online courses, coaching, and more Joe said he had a fun conversation with a film producer (Malibu Road) on the acid scene in the 70’s The film cant be streamed yet, but the is out About Kyle Kyle’s interest in exploring non-ordinary states of consciousness began when he was 16-years-old when he suffered a traumatic snowboarding accident. Waking up after having a near-death experience changed Kyle’s life. Since then, Kyle has earned his B.A. in Transpersonal Psychology, where he studied the healing potential of non-ordinary states of consciousness by exploring shamanism, plant medicine, Holotropic Breathwork, and the roots/benefits of psychedelic psychotherapy. Kyle has co-taught two college-level courses. One of the courses Kyle created as a capstone project, “Stanislav Grof’s Psychology of Extraordinary Experiences,” and the other one which he co-created, “The History of Psychedelics.” Kyle completed his M.S. in clinical mental health counseling with an emphasis in somatic psychology. Kyle’s clinical background in mental health consists of working with at-risk teenagers in crisis and with individuals experiencing an early-episode of psychosis. Kyle also facilitates . About Joe Joe studied philosophy in New Hampshire, where he earned his B.A.. After stumbling upon the work of Stanislav Grof during his undergraduate years, Joe began participating in Holotropic Breathwork workshops in Vermont in 2003. Joe helped facilitate Holotropic and Transpersonal Breathwork workshops while he spent his time in New England. He is now working in the software industry as well as hosting a few podcasts. Joe now coordinates Dreamshadow Transpersonal Breathwork workshops, in Breckenridge, Colorado. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Dylan Beynon - Mindbloom: The Next Chapter in Mental Health and Wellbeing 03/31/2020
Dylan Beynon - Mindbloom: The Next Chapter in Mental Health and Wellbeing In this episode, Kyle sits down with Dylan Beynon, founder of Mindbloom, NYC based mental health and wellbeing platform. In the show they talk about how Mindbloom differs from other centers, paving the way for accessibility and affordability. 3 Key Points: Mindbloom is a next-generation mental health platform, catered to accessibility and affordability. They use ketamine tablets, different from lozenges and any other method. The tablets are held in the mouth and then spit out to avoid entering the liver, causing a sedation-like experience. Mindbloom differentiates themselves from other psychedelic therapy options by using a patient-choice model, to keep it affordable for those who need it. They offer the 4-week therapy model and give patients the option to choose ‘add-ons’ like extra integration. 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Show Notes About Dylan Dylan is not a clinician or a doctor, he is an entrepreneur and a psychedelic medicine and therapeutic ketamine patient These medicines have been transformative in his life and he wants to bring their benefits to the public He grew up in a family that suffered greatly from mental illness He lost his mother to addiction He discovered positive psychology When learning about the science of happiness, he realized that he wasn't happy He was in business school and wanted to be a banker and make a ton of money He soon realized that money doesn't buy happiness, and he thought maybe everything he was doing was a lie He was self medicating with psychedelics About 5 years ago he heard about psychedelic therapy About 18 months ago he started working with a clinician doing ketamine therapy He saw that when it's done in a therapeutic context, it can have a profound effect for people to get the most out of it “Recreational vs therapeutic use is a false dichotomy” - Dylan Mindbloom The goal is to build the next-generation mental health platform Right now they are doing Ketamine therapy They are trying to make it accessible by making it affordable They are trying to bring an elevated client experience, which they do with the space and software Software Background Voters Friend - a platform to help inform voters on the candidates, to increase access to democracy Mighty - increasing access to social justice Mindbloom - increase access to psychedelic medicines Differentiation The protocols that Mindbloom are using are capped They are increasing access to the medicines, making it affordable They keep it at $150-$250 a session, where at most Ketamine Therapy centers, it can range from $1000-$2000 a session Dylan says he makes this possible by bringing in technology and software tools to make the sessions for efficient and effective They use patient choice care, where the patient can use their best judgement on how in depth they want their treatment They can ‘add on’ extra integration time onto the therapy session, or choose not to This keeps the price down and accessible for each individual patient if need be Mindbloom is a 4 session program, usually 1-2 months They use the platform to have the client practice using the information in the weeks between each session, so they can practice integration even when not with a therapist or in session The Program The clinician prescribes a 4 week Ketamine Therapy session for anxiety and depression The clinician will schedule a video interview to learn their symptoms Then they will meet in person and build an integration program if needed Its $1000 for the 4 session program and $600 for the renewal program They use Ketamine tablets (similar to lozenges but faster acting) They're not swallowing it, they spit it out after If they swallow it, it breaks down in the liver into nor-ketaine, and that produces a sedative effect After they spit it out, there is about an hour of music with no vocals After the session, they move to an integration room where they are journaling The protocols at Mindbloom were based on the MAPS protocol They don't have a clinician in the room during the experience, only for after the experience Dylan is looking to expand to other locations A lot of people request couples or group therapies, so they will be taking that into consideration when building new locations Final Thoughts The more people who are thinking critically about this and putting their intentions into making this more accessible the better There needs to be more gentle conversation around psychedelics and therapy, especially around the people that are still so unaware about this field We should bring sacredness, specialness, and care to the conversation with those who might still be afraid about it Links About Dylan Beynon Dylan is the Founder & CEO of Mindbloom, an NYC-based mental health and wellbeing startup helping people expand their human potential with clinician-prescribed, guided psychedelic medicine experiences. There, he is partnering with clinicians, technologists, researchers, and patients to increase access to science-backed treatments, starting by reducing the cost of ketamine therapy for depression and anxiety by over 65%. Dylan is a 10-year psychedelic medicine patient and 3-time tech entrepreneur with both $100M+ in funding and an exit in his prior startups, which were focused on increasing access to justice and democracy. Dylan graduated from The Wharton School at The University of Pennsylvania. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Dr. Ryan Westrum - The Psychedelics Integration Handbook 03/24/2020
Dr. Ryan Westrum - The Psychedelics Integration Handbook In this episode, Kyle sits down with Dr. Ryan Westrum, Psychedelic Integration Therapist. In the show, they talk about topics and teachings from Ryan’s book, The Psychedelic Integration Handbook. 3 Key Points: The Psychedelics Integration Handbook is designed to bring psychedelic experiences into the flow of your life and maximize their potential for helping you create the life you want to live. There is an important part in distinguishing integration from aftercare. Aftercare can look as simple as taking care of your body, getting good rest, eating well. You can't integrate without taking care of yourself first. One of the pillars of integration is PREP (purpose, reflecting on experiences, expectations, potential). Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Ryan Ryan is a Clinical Psychologist in the Minneapolis area He has been a licensed Marriage Therapist for 15 years He works in the realms of psychedelics and sexuality He has a 14 year old daughter, and likes to take a psychedelic approach to parenting He holds healing circles with mothers and fathers and their child(ren) Psycho-ed and harm reduction are his focus with families This is a group of people that need an honest conversation At a young age he was into Stan Grof and Jungian literature and psychedelic experiences His graduate program was focused on non-ordinary states of consciousness Kyle mentions a good book, “As a western civilization, we have really minimized the opportunity for growth, the expansion of consciousness, and to be ourselves.” - Ryan These experiences are powerful, and to come back to a culture that does not support it, is hard The goal is being conscious with your confidence of why you're doing this work About the Book is designed to bring psychedelic experiences into the flow of your life and maximize their potential for helping you create the life you want to live This is not a book with black and white answers but an offering to individual people who want to explore all the possibilities for being alive and seeking wholeness. The Psychedelics Integration Handbook contains historical perspective, maps of consciousness, approaches for integrating body-mind-spirit, and practical suggestions for all stages of psychedelic exploration. The Psychedelics Integration Handbook The book was written for people to make it their own Its broken into 3 parts, educational, a ‘your turn’ section, and then integration Its about having a compartment, and then playing within the compartment Everyone has unique nuances, integration looks different to everyone Integration practices don't matter if they don't personally mean something to you Integration The question to help determine the integration needs is, "What does the individual lead with?" It's the mind, body, emotion in the spirit altogether Immediately after a psychedelic experience, some want to talk about it, others embody it Do they lead with thoughts or emotions? There is a part in the book: The difference between integration and aftercare How do we distinguish between self care and integration? Is my body rested? Am I comfortable? Are my needs taken care of? Aftercare is grounding “If you're not taking care of your body, you won't be able to integrate” - Ryan It might not be as complex as it needs to be, its as simple as taking care of yourself An important part of aftercare, is asking yourself when it is okay to practice again Ryan was mentored by James Fadiman, and he believed in taking big doses every 6 months One of the pillars is PREP (purpose, reflecting on experiences, expectations, potential) Ryan says he is not the gatekeeper Controlling willpower is a huge step in integration Some people want to just take psychedelics, but not write, or do yoga, or do any other mindful activity Safety Dose, set and setting are the obvious It's like a goldrush, some just want to jump in blindly You have to understand what safety means to you Ryan thinks we aren't talking enough about the recreational use He is excited about all of the conversation on therapeutic use, but he thinks we are ignoring recreational use He wants to see ritual and reverence in the recreational community Preparation is so important Kyle says that a lot of times after an experience he has all of these ideas for how to live his life, and he tries to practice them, but sometimes he finds himself slipping into old patterns of behavior Ryan says he believes there is still movement and progress, be gentle with yourself Links About Ryan Dr. Ryan Westrum, PhD, LMFT, is an internationally recognized psychedelic integration expert. For more than 15 years, his primary focus has been working with individuals and groups facilitating experiential therapy and integrating psychedelic journeys into healing and personal transformation. Ryan speaks on a myriad of topics and leads experiential groups, like dreamwork integration therapy and psychedelic integration groups. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Jessica DiRuzza - Understanding the Psychedelic Experience with Astrology 03/17/2020
Jessica DiRuzza - Understanding the Psychedelic Experience with Astrology In this episode, Kyle interviews Jessica DiRuzza, Psychotherapist, Astrologer and Teacher. In the show they talk about how astrology can be used as a tool and framework for navigating and understanding psychedelic experiences. 3 Key Points: Astrology can be used as an integrative tool for psychedelic and other exceptional experiences. The planets are emitting some type of force that are letting us behave a certain way. Astrology is the one thing we have agreed upon across millennia and era. A Saturn Return transit can be a difficult but transformative time in one's life. This transit happens around age 28-31. During this time, we face crises in our life as we take on greater responsibility. It can feel like death and a rebirth. It can correlate to Grof's Perinatal Birth Matrix II (“No Exit” and "Cosmic Engulfment"). 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Show Notes About Jessica She is a Psychotherapist She teaches and practices Astrology She uses Astrology to help put meaning and understanding to what happens in visionary states She received her bachelors at CIIS and studied and taught with Stan Grof and Richard Tarnes in the Philosophy, Cosmology and Consciousness Program Since the 70’s, Stan Grof was following his transits and all the transits of his clients Richard Tarnas and Stan Grof studied astrology as a diagnostic tool for those who would do psychedelics They studied transit astrology By looking at these transits, what they found were archetypal similarities “Our solar system is an extension of our ecosystem here on earth.” - Jessica\ “For millennia, the one thing that human beings have agreed upon across cultures and eras, are the meaning of the planets” - Jessica Astrology is the original science Free Will vs. Determinism The planets are emitting some type of force that are letting us behave a certain way They are reflective, what is happening in the sky is indicative of what's happening here Astrology is like a clock, a clock does not make it be a certain time, it just helps us tell the time Interest in Astrology Psychedelics brought Jessica to Astrology Jessica went to her first Burning Man at 20 years old She received an astrology reading there and said it broke her open She went to CA to see the reader that gave her the initial reading She did a high dose LSD session She re-lived her birth experience, and gave birth to her new self The person who gave her the reading was teaching with Stan Grof and Richard Tarnas at CIIS She dropped out of college and moved to attend CIIS She was in a Uranus conjunct Ascendant transit Through these experiences she uprooted her entire life Astrology Lingo Sun represents our sense of self, our identity in the world, egoic consciousness Moon represents our relational matrix, our early childhood experiences, our emotions and experiences, and a deep sense of belonging Rising represents who we are from moment to moment, how we initially meet existence Zodiac means belt of life Each aspect carries a different quality Conjunct means new moon, representing a new beginning A full moon represents when the sun is opposite than the moon, a blossoming or fruition. Astrology is a language, the language of the stars There are so many ways to speak this language, and so many schools of thought What really matters is the cosmology that goes behind the description “Both astrology and psychedelics are a tools for self reflection, that hopefully we are using to become more kind and more caring” - Jessica “Astrology provides a world view or a cosmology to hold what happens in those visionary states, it's a grounding place to integrate and make meaning of what's happening” - Jessica Saturn Return Saturn return happens from age 28-31 During our Saturn Return, we face crises in our life and take on greater responsibility It can feel like a death, but also like a birth “The greater the death, the greater the rebirth” - Jessica The 4 bpms correspond to the four outer planets It's not just in entheogenic spaces that this is applicable “Working with the resistance consciously, actually helps us move into what the divine or the universe wants us to step into our life, karmically, what we are here to do” - Jessica Astrology and Psychedelics Kyle asks about using astrology to pick a time of when to do psychedelics Jessica responds saying that if you have a strong calling to do so for healing and balance, and you have all the components for proper integration, then it's a good time Then, astrology can be used to help find themes and help dissect the experience Your Saturn transits contain a difference component in each person The sense of responsibility grows in you “My deepest calling in this life is to bring Astrology and Psychology together in one unified field” - Jessica Final Thoughts Jessica is so proud of the honest integrity that people are bringing to this work She send best wishes in the great reckoning, and the great becoming Links About Jessica Jessica is a licensed psychotherapist, astrologer, and teacher. Her life is guided by a passion for engaging with people, understanding relationships, and staying connected to the larger world around us. This passion and curiosity led her into the healing profession as a counselor in 2007. For over a decade she has worked collaboratively with individuals, couples, and groups on their transformative journeys. Helping people on their path of exploration and healing is the privilege of a lifetime. Jessica received her Master’s in Counseling Psychology with an emphasis in Depth Psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute. She completed her undergraduate degree at California Institute of Integral Studies, where she studied and taught archetypal astrology and transpersonal psychology. Her greatest joy is working in sacred and revolutionary ways with people in psychotherapy, teaching, and astrological consultations. She also shares her work through podcasts and writing on her site. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Rob Heffernan - Psychedelic Liberty Summit: Religion and Plant Medicines 03/10/2020
Rob Heffernan - Psychedelic Liberty Summit: Religion and Plant Medicines In this episode, Kyle sits down with Rob Heffernan, an independent researcher and activist. In the show, they talk about churches, Ayahuasca, accessibility and the by the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines. Rob is also part of . The Council for the Protection of Sacred plants is "an initiative of the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines that endeavors to advocate for the legality of sacred plant medicines among indigenous peoples and non-indigenous communities, encourage legal harm reduction practices that protect those who use them, educate about conservation of plant species, document relevant legal and social issues, and consult on legal cases including possible litigation. " 3 Key Points: The Psychedelic Liberty Summit is a gathering on legal, cultural, and political issues around the emerging psychedelic renaissance. Accessibility is not just about whether or not people can afford psychedelic therapy, people cant even afford regular therapy, the whole healthcare model is an issue. A lot of churches get a bad name, but really most churches are built around community. Psychedelics can help revitalize churches. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Rob Rob is a member of the Chacruna Council for protection of sacred plants He is an integrative sound and music practitioner He is involved in the Santo Daime He has been drinking Ayahuasca for over 20 years He began to ponder and ask a lot of questions about involvement with medicine communities Psychedelic Liberty Summit Rob will be hosting a talk on religious exemptions and more There will be speakers of all different initiatives, from decriminalization to indigenous relations There are a lot of investors interested in the psilocybin market The issue is complex because there is this ongoing cultural history of the US and other countries exploiting those cultures and removing resources (oil, medicines, etc) Ayahuasca The first time Rob drank Ayahuasca was back in 2000, where there weren't Ayahuasca retreats going on then People who lived in the area were not familiar with Ayahuasca use People started coming from around the world to use Ayahuasca There are feedback loops between the cities and the forests People typically think integration is what happens afterwards, but really it is also the sacrifice from the start, the preparation, such as a dieta We need to honor what we have learned from the indigenous, and give back Traditional dietas don't involve actually drinking the Ayahuasca, the culture has come a long way Accessibility While these medicines are relatively safe, you can get in trouble using these substances recreationally, there is a role for the therapeutic support It's not just about whether or not people can afford psychedelic therapy, people cant even afford regular therapy, the whole healthcare model is an issue Santo Daime It was founded in the 1930’s in Brazil The reason that the Santo Daime looks more white in the USA is due to the segregation There are all sorts of ways that the Santo Daime may look When Rob first got involved in drinking Ayahuasca, he wasn't sure that he wanted to get involved in the Santo Daime, but he said the container was so strong There are hymns sung, and it's very structured It allows you to really go deep Sometimes it can look like drumming, dancing, and fire, but there is also a style of sitting in silence There is a profound ethical foundation which is really important All of the elements make for a really important container In the traditional form, you do not touch anyone, unless there is a certain circumstance, and a prior consensual agreement, and waivers signed, etc There have been issues of sexual abuse in the psychedelic realm, the Santo Daime takes many precautions against this Churches There are legal churches in the US through the Daime and the UDV (União do Vegetal) The Daime has 5 churches that are explicitly legal The government has decided not to pursue or prosecute Ayahuasca for those other churches Someone tragically died at the , but it wasn't related to ayahuasca There are a lot of people that claim to be a part of a Native American church that are not A lot of people reach out to Chacruna on how to become a part of the Native American Church to hold ceremonies, and it's not easy, you almost have to already be a part of it, instead of just joining Some people don't like the word church, but it originates from the words ‘congregation’ and ‘assembly’ “The problem is the controlled substances act, that these things are illegal in the first place” - Rob "The experience in all those settings is about community. The goal isn't to have spiritual experiences, its to have a spiritual life” - Rob Psychedelics and entheogens could be central to creating a new hub It is possible to create psychedelic churches outside of the Santo Daime The Ayahuasca tradition really uses the potential of group process “How individual is the psychedelic experience, where you need some one-on-one work?” - Kyle Psychedelic Liberty Summit April 25-26 in San Francisco Discount Code: PsychedelicsToday for 10% off at checkout Links About Rob Heffernan Rob Heffernan has been involved in the Peruvian curandero tradition and the Santo Daime for the last 16 years. He was a member and chairman of the North American Santo Daime Legal Committee for a number of years. He has been engaged in independent research and active in ad hoc groups promoting legal clarity and ethical integrity in the Ayahuasca Community. He is also a certified Integrative Sound and Music Practitioner; Shamanic Breath Work Facilitator; and a long time student and practitioner of Buddhist Dhamma. He has a BA in Communications and Social Studies from Fordham University, and works in the AV/IT communication industry. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Alicia Danforth PhD - ICPR 2020: Ethical Challenges in Psychedelic Medicine 03/03/2020
Alicia Danforth PhD - ICPR 2020: Ethical Challenges in Psychedelic Medicine In this episode, Joe interviews Clinical Psychologist, Alicia Danforth. In the show, they cover topics including how to get involved in the space, consent, research, MDMA, Autism and more. 3 Key Points: Alicia Danforth is a Clinical Psychologist who will be having a talk on Ethical Challenges in Psychedelic Medicine at the ICPR Conference in the Netherlands, April 2020. There is a possibility for MDMA to have a non-responder effect. No one has done research dedicated to why some people don't react at all to MDMA. Psychedelic science is very hard to talk about. We have the language of science that studies the psychopharmacological effects of drugs but no language that holds the effects of an altered state of consciousness yet. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Alicia Her path to her current place is such a random road that led her to where she is She was going to burning man and getting into harm reduction when she realized the untapped value of psychedelics, its where her interest began She began volunteering, doing administrative work for a doctor She was offered to be a study coordinator She got introduced to the power of psilocybin as a medicine, for dying cancer patients The patients had a prognosis from 6 months to a year To see how this state of consciousness helped people transition to the end of life so smoothly, that is what inspired her 5 months after she started working on the study, she got a cancer diagnosis Getting Involved in the Space Alicia would always get people approaching her about how to get in the field and she tells them “what field?” Her Power Point making skills, are what technically got her involved in this field “You never know what skill may be needed in this field” - Alicia Alicia encourages people to look into their own collection of skills, and dig deep into that, find your niche, and then use that to contribute to the movement Clinical therapists and psychologists are not the only people in this field We need accountants, marketers, etc Consent People start to get really religious around this field Joe mentions a story where someone performed non-consensual reiki Current Research She is currently looking at why psychedelics appeal to people who typically like to abuse power She did a talk at burning man about ‘coming down from the psychedelic power trip’ She tries to cite as many references and research as possible Her talk at ICPR is going to be the very professional, version of that talk Why are individuals who seek to abuse these tools so irresistibly drawn to psychedelics? “If someone gets abused, and people say don't come out about it because it's not good for the movement, then what kind of movement is that?” - Joe Empathogens MDMA is known as an Empathogen Can empathogens help people who are not empathetic, become empathetic? Cohen’s D is the measure of effect size Big pharma uses this all the time, to determine the effects of one drug compared to another The Cohen’s D is how large that difference is Non-response MDMA There is a known, non-responder effect with MDMA There was a few double-blind sessions, where the patient received MDMA, and they didn't react, their vitals didn't change At the end, it was revealed that they truly received MDMA, and then even to be sure, they would do a blood test, and it showed up in the blood No one has done research dedicated to why some people don't react at all to MDMA It's probably common, that for people who are relying on MDMA to work as their last resort option and try it and not feel anything at all, to end their life afterward Media and Support It's the most difficult thing in dealing with the media When you are entirely dependent on funding, if you don't talk about what you're doing, then you can't get funding at all There is a crisis in science on the replicability on these studies Joe says its cool to have these studies replicated outside of the US “Psychedelic science is very hard to talk about due to the subjective nature of the psychedelic experience. We have the language of science that studies the psychopharmacological effects of drugs. There is no language that holds the effects of an altered state of consciousness yet.” - Alicia The rapport that the patient and facilitator have, and the effect of that relationship, is a variable Links About Alicia Danforth Alicia received her doctorate in clinical psychology from the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology in Palo Alto in 2013. Since 2006, she has worked in clinical research at the Los Angeles Biomedical Research Institute at the Harbor-UCLA Medical Center on clinical studies for adults with anxiety related to advanced-stage cancer and with autistic adults who experience social anxiety. She is currently a lead clinician and supervisor for a clinical trial at UCSF for psychological distress in long-term survivors of HIV/AIDS. She is also certified in Trauma-Focused CBT and Focusing-Oriented Psychotherapy. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Mike Margolies - Psychedelic Seminars: the Benefits, Risks, and Complexities of Psychedelics 02/25/2020
Mike Margolies - Psychedelic Seminars: the Benefits, Risks, and Complexities of Psychedelics In this episode, Kyle and Joe interview Mike Margolies of Psychedelic Seminars. In the show, they cover topics including guests and conversations from the Psychedelic Seminars, the decriminalization of all drugs, and the importance of allowing psychedelic use to be a part of training therapists for psychedelic therapy. 3 Key Points: Psychedelic Seminars is an educational conversation series deepening awareness of the benefits, risks, and complexities of psychedelics. There are large topics of decriminalizing psilocybin or the movements for ‘decriminalize nature’, but the conversation on decriminalization of all drugs is rare, which is what's really important. Some companies (MAPS for example) allow the option to use MDMA as a part of their therapist training program while other companies who are training therapists for psilocybin therapy, don't have the option to use it. This leaves the question, "Should the psychedelic experience be part of the psychedelic therapy training?" Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Mike Mike used to work as a chemical engineer in corporate America, and then he did Ayahuasca When he returned, he thought to himself about what he wanted to do with the rest of his life He took a look at the pulse of the country and looked at what it needed There wasn't anyone organized locally in Baltimore, so he started Psychedelic Seminars Now he is living in the Bay Area, doing events locally He has been interviewing people and putting the videos out globally Psychedelic Seminars They will be having some Indigenous people at the seminar It's hard to get Indigenous people to seminars and conferences, because, what's in it for them? The goal is to ramp up the project and do a seminar every month, where it usually takes place every few months They are doing it all in a home, privately The whole project is donation dependent, they are doing it all for free You can support the mission After Michael Pollan, they did one with Jim Fadiman He did another with The talks were on microdosing and the unknowns of microdosing Just because there is no real harms taking a large dose of LSD, doesn't mean there aren't any harms taking a low (micro) dose of LSD frequently Mike thinks that the term Jim Fadiman uses is its ‘sub-perceptual’, in that you have a noticeable effect on the mood, but no other way of noticing it Decriminalization Drug Policy tends to stay in the realm of psychedelics only There are large topics of decriminalizing psilocybin or the movements for ‘decriminalize nature’, but no one likes to talk about the decriminalization of all drugs, which is what's really important Poppy is not considered in decriminalize nature, which is selective nature decriminalization It's not a real decriminalization, it's just a low priority for law enforcement He’s been asking in his conversations, opinions on decriminalizing all drugs Different drugs have different risk profiles “Just because you're not using criminal justice as your mechanism for reducing risks of drugs, doesn't mean you do nothing. The last thing we want to do is add criminalization to those who are already suffering, this is why we should decriminalize all drugs” - Mike Laws should be written in terms of what are you not allowed to do, not what you're allowed to do He is allowed to walk down the sidewalk, but not punch someone he walks past, but the law shouldn't be to get a license for walking down the street so long as you don't punch someone The communities that are marginalized continue to be marginalized by the drug war Psychedelic Therapy and Experience with Use With MAPS, there is an option to do MDMA as a part of the training With psilocybin, at least with Compass Pathways, there is not an option to use psilocybin. Mike says that's a huge issue When you scale treatment, there is the risk of losing the quality of care “We aren't going to solve the problems of our future by mass distributing psychedelics” - Mike The fact that we have such mass amounts of widespread depression, means that we have a deeply ingrained systemic issue at hand Psychedelics treat the symptoms, but we still need to fix the underlying cause “If you are distributing psychedelics, but still exacerbating the same underlying issues, you now have the problem and solution in the same hefty package” - Mike “Psychedelic experience is intrinsically something spiritual. How can you guide someone in spiritual practice if you haven't experienced it yourself?” - Mike “Inducing a state intentionally, and guiding someone through a process, its completely unethical to guide someone through a spiritual process that you haven't been through yourself.” - Mike New Economy Burning man is not a barter economy, it's a gift economy, where things are given without an expectation of receiving something in return We are far from that economy What if we had a world where instead of trying to extract value, we were trying to create value? Links About Mike Margolies Since 2015, Mark has worked full-time in the psychedelic community, starting and contributing to a number of projects as an event and media producer, connector, and advisor. He is the Founder of , an educational conversation series deepening awareness of the benefits, risks, and complexities of psychedelics. On the PsychSems stage, he has interviewed a range of leaders including , , and . He started the project in 2015 after returning to his home city of Baltimore to build community for open and honest conversations about psychedelics. The project now operates primarily out of the San Francisco Bay Area and livestreams globally. Through his psychedelic community work in Baltimore, he seeded the . He has sparked and mentored similar Psychedelic Societies around the world from Washington DC to San Francisco to Portugal. He helped start the to connect them. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Elizabeth Nielson and Ingmar Gorman - The Importance of Psychedelic Integration Training for Therapists 02/18/2020
Elizabeth Nielson and Ingmar Gorman - The Importance of Psychedelic Integration Training for Therapists In this Episode, Kyle sits down with Elizabeth Nielson and Ingmar Gorman, Co-founders of Fluence, Training in Psychedelic Integration. They are both therapists on the MAPS clinical trial for MDMA Assisted Psychotherapy for PTSD. 3 Key Points: Elizabeth and Ingmar are co-founders of Fluence, an online Psychedelic Integration Training program. If psychedelic treatments become available more widely, the fear is that therapists won't be as educated on how to handle their patient interactions based on the behavior of each psychedelic. Psychedelic Integration Therapy Training is so important. There are 3 phases to the MDMA for PTSD clinical trial. Phase 1 would be pre-clinical data about the chemistry of a drug, Phase 2 is where you begin to test your treatment in a patient population, and Phase 3 is where you get the data to demonstrate that the treatment is superior to a placebo and other treatments in general. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Ingmar Ingmar is a previous guest of the show He is a private Investigator for the MAPS MDMA trial He is a therapist and the Co-founder of Fluence About Elizabeth Elizabeth is a Clinical Psychologist She has a long history in working with clinical trials as a therapist She is part of the psychedelic education and continuing care program She does a lot of supervision and training for therapists The Trial The approval of expanded access by the FDA includes 50 people in total They are near the end of MAP 1 (out of MAP 1 and MAP 2) When they transition into MAP 2, it will be a little more refined MAP 2 is different participants than MAP 1 There are 3 phases Phase 1 would be pre-clinical data about chemistry of a drug and how it metabolises, if its poisonous, etc Phase 2 is where you begin to test your treatment in a patient population Phase 3 is where you get the data to demonstrate that the treatment is superior to a placebo and other treatments in general They are done as a double-blind trial, both the therapist and patient don't know if the patient is receiving the treatment or now Take-aways There is a lot of information that has to be shared effectively The therapists are very much in the lives of the participants on top of just the MDMA Instead of learning from the trials of what to do on a practical level, its about inspiring them to bring this as an actual treatment for people The multiple ways that PTSD can manifest and look like, and the may ways that MDMA can look like when administered, have some commonalities The deepening, the broadening, the way they communicate, can all be the same Ingmar holds the belief in the inner healing intelligence of all people One of the first things he does when he begins with a new patient, he says that this is something he really believes in, and his role as a therapist to help them in their own healing process and mechanism What Elizabeth wanted to learn, know and practice while she was going through school, isn't what she she thought it was until she found it She says this work really requires them to trust people's minds and experiences There is something that they tell their patients, “Don't get ahead of the medicine” - Elizabeth There is an interesting paradox between not knowing and following intuition, to having an actual method and following that There is a sweet spot between following a script to following your intuition as a therapist You want to trust that inner healer process of the patient, but also need to know when to intervene (usually from a safety standpoint) Fluence 3 days after Horizons, Elizabeth was at home with a cold, and talked to Ingmar that morning curious for a name for the project Fluence means, magical or mystical power or source of power It can also refer to the density of particles of energy They teach about harm reduction and integration with their patients in their practice They aren't teaching protocols in the workshops, they just think the harm reduction is important The last part of integration is mindfulness Ingmar’s biggest influence are his clients and patients, he is so inspired by them A large piece of the motivation for creating Fluence is from patients just looking for someone to talk about their experience with The Why A mother whose teenage daughter with depression, reached out to Ingmar with trouble trying to treat her depression The family decided it would be a good idea to use Ketamine therapy, which was successful She was doing so well, so well that she then went to a therapist to integrate it The therapist that she went to then instead of responding positively, decided to fire the teen for further therapy, and report the parents to child care services for providing ketamine therapy Ingmar says their position is not that everyone needs psychedelic integration therapy, its specifically for those that don't feel supported by family or community, and it gives them a professional service as an option "Psychedelics are not 10 years of change in one night, they are 10 years of insight in one night. integration is so important." - Elizabeth The goal is to support people in making a change that feels safe and right for them If the treatments become available more widely, the fear is that therapists won't be as educated on how to handle their patient interactions based on the behavior of each psychedelic Mental health practitioners can be a great source for working through those experiences Menla Training They could really take their time with the process and training The trainings that they had gone to has made their own Fluence courses better In 2019 they had 5 of the trainings for clinicians, and the trainings will be better and better as they go Ketamine Infusion Therapy The experience is not dose dependent The purpose of the workshop is to educate both therapists and doctors about what can happen in psychotherapy Links About Elizabeth Dr. Elizabeth Nielson is a co-founder of Fluence and a psychologist with a focus on developing psychedelic medicines as empirically supported treatments for PTSD, substance use problems, and mood disorders. Dr. Nielson is a therapist on FDA approved clinical trials of psilocybin-assisted treatment of alcohol use disorder, MDMA-assisted treatment PTSD, and psilocybin-assisted treatment of treatment resistant depression. Through Fluence, she provides continuing education and training programs for therapists who wish to engage in integration of psychedelic experiences in clinical settings. Her program of research includes qualitative and mixed-methods projects designed to further understand the phenomenology and mechanisms of change in psychedelic-assisted therapy, including the experiences of trial participants and of the therapists themselves. Having completed an NIH postdoctoral fellowship at NYU, she has published and presented on topics of psychedelic therapist training, therapists’ personal experience with psychedelics, and including psychedelic integration in group and individual psychotherapy. About Ingmar Dr. Ingmar Gorman is a co-founder of Fluence and a psychologist who specializes in assisting populations who have a relationship with psychedelics. He is the site co-principal investigator and therapist on a Phase 3 clinical trial studying MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for post-traumatic stress disorder. Dr. Gorman is a board member of Horizons Media, Inc., a not for-profit educational charity and organizer of the Horizons Conference: Perspectives on Psychedelics. After completing his NIH postdoctoral fellowship at New York University, Dr. Gorman stepped down as director of the Psychedelic Education and Continuing Care Program to focus his efforts on Fluence and the training of future therapists. Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Jon S. - NYU’s Double-Blind Trial of Psilocybin-Assisted Treatment of Alcohol Dependence 02/11/2020
Jon S. - NYU’s Double-Blind Trial of Psilocybin-Assisted Treatment of Alcohol Dependence In this episode, Joe interviews Jon S. on his experience in the psilocybin-assisted trials for alcohol dependency at NYU. In the show, they dive into Jon’s background and how psilocybin assisted therapy helped him out of his alcohol dependence and into a new life. 3 Key Points: Jon participated in the NYU Double-Blind Trial of Psilocybin-Assisted Treatment of Alcohol Dependence. The study was double-blind. In each session, he didn't know if he was going to receive psilocybin or Benadryl. The sessions helped him so much with this dependence on alcohol, he believes he is a better father, husband, and human overall. He hasn't had a drink in 5 months (or a desire to). Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Jon He is based in New York Jon is the father of 2 kids He spent a lot of his life DJing, so he has spent a lot of time around alcohol He found out about a psychedelic therapy study at NYU from someone at a Holotropic Breathwork Retreat The study took place in New York City He had always wanted to explore the psychedelic side of things He read Michael Pollan’s book and it said in the book that the Holotropic Breathwork community would be a great group to help find a guide The Trial In his assessment, he found out truly how much he was drinking He would crack a beer before even playing with his kids He was into craft beer and at 8% a beer, his 3 beers were more like 5 He was asked to not have his sessions recorded so he could be as open as he could be The session was very focused on curbing drinking His wife knew he was going down the path of psychedelic healing “I'm not doing this to have a good time, I'm doing this to be a better person” - Jon His trial was double-blind He was never told when he was receiving the psilocybin at each session He was told that he was either going to get 1 or 3 doses in the trial The First Session The first session with the eye shades on (on psilocybin), was very visual In that first session he kept seeing this pirate ship underwater His sons would say “come on daddy, lets play on the pirate ship” He would go to the pirate ship with his sons and then say “I need to go back down and do some work”, and he would swim back into the depths He came home that day, and his youngest son greeted him at the door, and said let's play power rangers, I'll be the red power ranger and you be the pirate It hit him in a float tank session, the message of that session was to play with his sons more He had a moment in his first session of rebirth Integration There is a 2 hour integration session the very next day He didn't think it was going to be as important as it turned out to be He had the choice to keep it at the same dose or up it He upped the dose to 40mg instead of 25mg He was told his second session wouldn't be anything like his first The medicine was so intense the second time, he couldn't even remember the music In his second session, he saw a body being chopped up (realizing it was his body) He realized that he was one with the universe, love is the only thing that matters He wanted to be a part of everything He was compensated about $100 per session "When the university gives you financial compensation, you buy everyone in the ice cream shop ice cream" - Jon Jon says he has a new baseline for anxiety He never thought he had anxiety, but after his sessions, he found that he is way less anxious than he was, even though he really wasn't He didn't have a desire to drink, he hasn't had a drink in 5 months He has never felt better or happier He's a much better dad, and husband Life After the Experience He is re-reading Aldous Huxley and is finding a whole new meaning to it all He is spending more time with his family and being present with the He spends a ton of time with his kids now Stuff that used to worry him, doesn't worry him anymore His experience was everything he hoped for and more He genuinely believes, that whatever he got out of a session, is what he needed Final Thoughts He is talking to the Decrim Nature in NY He appreciates the platform (Psychedelics Today) for the space to talk about his experience He appreciates everyone at NYU for the work they are doing Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Joost Breeksema - The Interdisciplinary Conference on Psychedelic Research 02/04/2020
Joost Breeksema - The Interdisciplinary Conference on Psychedelic Research In this episode, Joe interviews Joost Breeksema from the Netherlands to talk about the Interdisciplinary Conference on Psychedelic Research. In the show they cover topics on ICPR 2020, and the importance of accessibility. 3 Key Points: The Interdisciplinary Conference on Psychedelic Research takes place April 24-26, 2020 in the Netherlands. It's important to acknowledge the indigenous, ethical, and political dimensions to psychedelic use at conferences. Although this conference will be catered toward mainstream science and research, personal experiences and stories are important too. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Joost Joost is a part of the ICPR is a huge conference Nobody before was doing research on psychedelics in the Netherlands William James work sparked Joost’s interest in psychedelics ICPR Starting with the OPEN Foundation, the conference has been very scientific It is interdisciplinary, but also taken very seriously This field is so broad, you could really never get bored Wade Davis, Alicia Danforth, Matt Johnson and more will be speaking at the conference There will be over 80 speakers Joost expects it to be a pretty international conference, half local, and half from abroad Psychiatrists are usually short on time, and they like things compressed more It's really easy and cheap to grow psilocybin as mushrooms or truffles Even in Mexico, they need to use GMP Psilocybin Accessibility “If this is going to be the treatment, how are we going to help people afford it?” - Joe There is some tricky stuff happening, companies trying to patent different parts of psilocybin to use it for therapeutic use Ketamine has been off patent for years, but you can develop a new route of administration, patent that, and make a ton of money Spravato is making it to the UK Conference Themes Joost is both excited and scared that they are bringing indigenous practitioners to the conference It's important to acknowledge the indigenous, ethical, and political dimensions to psychedelic use Talking about concepts and approaches to healing is going to be an important aspect The goal would be to do research with the indigenous communities to be able to address the needs of psychedelic use There are also a few neuroimaging people coming For mainstream scientists, the conference has to be as close to a scientific conference as possible, they may be turned off to the cultural aspects of psychedelics It's the conservative nature of psychedelia Joost also says that although the scientific research is important, it is really cool to hear the personal experiences Joe brings up a previous Stories are much more convincing than just data People’s experience with psychedelics may be completely different from each other It's important to share the bad stories with the good stories If we don't share the stories and data and research, then we can never learn Joe hopes that there will be a growth of citizen science in the near future Links About Joost Joost Breeksema is a part of the OPEN Foundation, which from it came the Interdisciplinary Conference on Psychedelic Research. His current research focuses on the experiences of patients that are undergoing therapy assisted by psychedelic substances. His aim is to better understand psychological mechanisms of action/change, to tease out salient themes, and finally to learn about what works and what does not work in psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Hallie Rose and Kyle Buller - Soltara Healing Center and Kyle’s Experience with the Plant Medicine 01/28/2020
Hallie Rose and Kyle Buller - Soltara Healing Center and Kyle’s Experience with the Plant Medicine In this episode, Kyle invites a guest interviewer, Hallie Rose of the Thought Room Podcast, to interview him on his recent experience at Soltara. In the show, they talk about Soltara, Kyle’s experience with the plant medicine, and important topics like privilege. 3 Key Points: Eastern attendees have a different integration need than Western attendees. In the West, attendees come back to more hustle and bustle, more time is needed for integration. Soltara does a really good job at providing that time for integration. With Psilocybin and other psychedelics, there is this one big door, you eat the mushrooms and open the door and get to experience it heavily. With Ayahuasca, there is a smaller doorway to penetrate through, you have to create a relationship with the medicine first. If the people that really need the help can't even afford it, then how do we have mass healing? Peer support movements are a way forward in this issue. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Hallie Hallie interviewed Kyle after his first 4 experiences with Ayahuasca The Thought Room Podcast was inspired by Hallie’s first Ayahuasca experience She had typically pushed away anything psychedelic in nature, even alcohol before coming to Soltara as a guest “A lot of the paradigms I had been working with were flipped upside down on their head” - Hallie The message that really spoke to her was to create a podcast 2 ceremonies later she had some things come up about family and career, and again, the message ‘podcast’ came up again When she went over her integration notes from her experience at Soltara, she kept coming back to the podcast thing She describes her journal entry message as a black hole, a void She felt like she was in rooms, some were bright and rainbow-y, and others were dark and lonely The rooms were rooms for thoughts, thought rooms She owns the start up company Soltara Hallie mentions that she was blown away by the amount of effort that it takes to uphold a medicine center like Soltara Kyle says right from the start from arrival to the location, he was greeted with such warmth and it reminded him of his breathwork background The ground rules that they laid down right at the start made him feel so safe She said it's amazing to see the amount of healing that happens in that space “When it comes to your own medicine work, your own journey work, only you know what's right for you” - Hallie Hallie is part of a mastermind group through Aubrey Marcus, the CEO of Onnit She is connected to a bunch of people as a part of this group She was introduced to Dan Cleland, a co-founder of Soltara, who invited her to come down Yes they had the traditional Shipibo aspects, but they also did a fantastic job of adding in the Western concepts to cater to the western needs Hallie mentions that coming from the West, we have the need to integrate the experience in a different way than those coming from the East, and Soltara does a really good job with that kind of integration The First Session Kyle said the tea was actually tasty You drink a lot of it where you override the system to where the body wants to purge Kyle drank 5 cups of the tea over all the nights The purging is to clear the system out of toxins and clean it out energetically Soltara built in pre-ceremony sessions like yoga or meditation to help ease into the actual sessions Kyle said that the Ayahuasca experience was familiar Everything felt very green behind his eyes There was a serpent weaving in and out of his DNA The experience felt so healing Kyle didn't purge (vomit) but did do a little crying He said he did not experience much anxiety The serpent was healing him and stitching parts of himself back together “There is something intelligent here working on very subtle levels” - Kyle The next two ceremonies were very gentle, some crying, going through family dynamics, but always in the background, there was that same serpent Kyle said the first 3 sessions felt really easy, compared to previous experiences with psychedelics The spirit said to him “oh you think this was going to be easy, that you would just drink this and that I would show you all this stuff. Well we have to get to know each other first” With Psilocybin, there is this one big door, you eat the mushrooms and open the door and get to experience it heavily, with Ayahuasca, there is a smaller doorway to penetrate through, you have to create a relationship with the medicine first Final Ceremony It was during the full moon in Cancer and lunar eclipse, the energy was already intense For the 4th ceremony, Kyle was already feeling high energy, and did not want to go too strong, so he started with ¾ of a cup Kyle felt like he was sober, the medicine told him to ask for a second dose The facilitator gave Kyle ¼ of a cup more That ¼ of a cup really blasted him off After the singing, he laid down and that's when things took off All of a sudden, he saw himself back in the CAT scan machine (referring back to his NDE as a teen) He always tells the story as blissful and beautiful, but this time was so different He saw himself back in the CAT scan machine as a child, and was terrified, and he began shaking He felt this pain in his pelvic area as he felt during his NDE He was shivering and so cold, it brought him right back into that state He was re-experiencing the fear in a new way during the ceremony He went into his body and felt the scar tissue and felt that shake and stretch and kind of brought in some healing there After his actual surgery/NDE, as he was healing he was always really afraid to move in certain ways in the fear that movement would re-open some of the healing wounds He got a clear way of looking at how the body holds trauma, especially after surgery That trauma is tied to the way we hold ourselves, the way we walk and talk and in so many ways This ceremony helped Kyle view somatic body work in such a new light The ceremony was not scary, he allowed his body to process the fear, but not attach to the fear and become fearful Yoga can also bring that out, stillness and vulnerability can bring up some body trauma and put you into that fight or flight response Even when you think you're done processing something, there are always more layers to dig into and see something differently to bring more clarity Preparation Hallie said what she is learning with this medicine, is that she doesn't need to make anything happen, she needs to just let it happen That feeling of relaxing things is scary because it means giving up control It's a practice and its a lot easier said than done The most important part is the set (mindset), because the set is you “Having your set figured out, when the going gets tough, you're safe still” - Hallie Kyle said that Aya always told him to wait, he didn't need to jump into trying it right away, he waited over 10 years to process his NDE trauma Hallie says it's just like marriage, you can get married easily, but it's not always going to work out if you don't have the tools and the skill sets to maintain it Ayahuasca is similar in needing the right tools and time to do it right The dieta and the prep itself is so hard People are turned off by the idea of doing something disciplined These experiences can be so much different when we go through the process of giving something up It's not to punish ourselves, it's to heal ourselves “There is a whole other side of us, that opens up when we cut out some of the things that numb us” - Hallie The dieta strips away the illusions, the plant medicines help us remember who we are Hopi Creation Story The great creator said “I have a gift for the human beings, but I need to hide it somewhere until they are ready to find it” It is “the gift of the knowing that they can create anything, they can create their own reality” The creator asked the earth where he should hide it The eagle said he will bring it to the moon The fish said he will bring it to the bottom of the sea The buffalo said he will bring it to the edge of the plains The creator said no to all of them, they will find it there So the great grandmother who lives in the breast of the earth said, put it inside of them And the creator said “it is done” It brought Kyle back to his fourth ceremony, the Ayahuasca was a reminder that everything he needed was already inside of him Privilege It's hard to tell people of their only legal options for healing, which most of them are leaving the country, which is not an option for some people We are all worthy of finding relief of our suffering through psychedelics Is therapy only going to be for the rich and elite? There are so many people who really need it Yes, you can grow mushrooms, but then you're at risk of the law The system is so complex and we need a more humane way of moving forward in this field and offer experiences like this to the people that need it Therapy is a privilege Most people that need therapy are in survival mode that don't have the privilege of access to therapy Peer support movements are a way forward in this issue If the people that really need the help can't even afford it, then how do we have mass healing? There are great healers out there that never became healers because they didn't have the privilege to Kyle says he escaped a lot of suicidal ideation after his near death experience, it took a lot of time to call earth his home “Just to wake up and be a part of this, even that is magical in itself” - Kyle “The stars come out every night, and we watch television” - Hallie Authentic Self Hallie has recently had her 12th Ayahuasca experience “I am no longer breathing, I am being breathed” - Hallie “Hatred does not exist, it is only a resistance to love” - Hallie Even being hard on ourselves is only a resistance to loving ourselves Its love with nowhere to go People that have a lot of self hatred toward their bodies or themselves, the medicine always comes back to the self, it teaches people to love and take care of themselves “You really can't love anything outside of yourself until you love yourself” - Hallie Kyle says that the people who he looks up to (ex, Stan Grof), what if they never showed up for themselfves? What if they never stood up for what they believe in? Links $200 off coupon code for Soltara: THOUGHTROOM About Hallie Hallie Rose is an author, speaker, educator, and relationship coach from New York City. She is the host of The Thought Room Podcast and also the founder & CEO of the company Lunar Wild which aims to reclaim the sacred feminine and address a modern need for a Rite of Passage into womanhood. The Thought Room is a combination of edge-of-your-seat storytelling and groundbreaking interviews with celebrated thought-leaders from around the world. The show covers a breadth of topics including psychology, spirituality, sex & relationships, psychedelic science & plant medicine, bio-hacking, fitness, nutrition, alternative health, business & entrepreneurship, mindfulness, yoga, and meditation. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Aaron Orsini - How LSD Helped Bridge the ASD Neurotypical Divide 01/21/2020
Aaron Orsini - How LSD Helped Bridge the ASD Neurotypical Divide This disclaimer was originally posted in our episode, and it feels important to post it on this episode as well. Caution/Disclaimer A few important notes. This is an episode of an individual experimenting with powerful drugs to see if he can get any sort of relief from autism. In this case, it appears to have been successful. That said, this came with a substantial amount of risks, and people need to be aware. Please read the below bullets so you understand. Autism is not what is treated. The thing being treated would be a symptom like social anxiety. "The field of autism science includes a long and shameful history of quack treatments and parents taking desperate and harmful measures to “fix” their children. Autism is a spectrum of congenital and neurocognitive variants, and there are no published research data in support of any compound that can influence its course." Alicia Danforth, PhD Please do not administer these drugs to children with autism. It would be highly unethical to do so. There are only two researchers investigating where MDMA and autism meet - and . A scientific paper will likely be available on this in the next few months. Expect to see more here. These drugs have not been shown to cure or treat autism, but in some cases, just like with neuro-typical individuals, some have seen meaningful changes. Even if changes are noticed the person is still autistic no matter how many high doses of psychedelics they take. Obtaining pure drugs is very difficult if not impossible in black markets. Verifying purity will require the resources of mass spectrometry from organizations offering these services like or Providing unsafe, dirty or compromised drugs to people can cause serious harm or death. If you are planning to use MDMA to alleviate some suffering on your own, please wait or don't. Do substantial research and have skilled people available to help. Thanks to Alicia Danforth for helping us understand the nuance's in this area. ..autism is a genetically determined cognitive variant. It's pervasive, and it affects the whole person, not just the brain. No chemical compound has been shown to treat, cure, or alter the course of autism. However, for some people, substances like MDMA can help them manage symptoms such as anxiety, social anxiety, and trauma effects. - Alicia Danforth, Ph.D In this episode, Joe sits down with Aaron Orsini, Author of Autism on Acid. In this powerful episode, Aaron shares his moving story on how LSD gave him life-saving relief from his struggles with Autism Spectrum Disorder. 3 Key Points: Aaron spent the first 20+ years of his life suffering from the struggles of Autism Spectrum Disorder. He changed his life in an unexpected way through the use of LSD. LSD gave Aaron the emotional installation of perception to see the stimuli in life that he had been blind from because of his disorder. Aaron is the author of the book, Autism on Acid, a self told story on his autistic perceptions before, during and after his LSD experience. He goes into great depth on his experience in the show. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Aaron A large part of his psychedelic journey stems from his Autism His diagnosis didn't affect him in school so much as it affected him in his adult years with socialization His childhood friends were more based on similar shared activities When he was thrusted into more social situations, he had more issues with non-repetitive and non-scheduled socialization He was anxious in the idea that he would go into avoidance, he wasn't very afraid, just more confused Most of his knowledge was based on repetition and memorization, it was harder to navigate new or unique social scenarios Social vertigo is how he described his experience His doctor told him to read some books, and he felt like he was reading a journal on his own life Daniel Tammet - Born on a Blue Day A Transition Point Aaron left his job A relationship he was in ended A friend of his was killed by a drunk driver He was in a dark place, and he wanted to retreat He didn't know what he needed, he just wanted to leave He got a backpack and a bike and headed west toward California He had an opportunity to try LSD He thought it was going to be an escape, and it ended up being the most involved experience of his life He sat on a tree stump in a wooded area, finally noticing everything that had been there his whole life that he hadn't seen before He saw the beauty in literally being alive He sat there and cried for an hour or two, it was a lot Aaron eventually got up, and started walking and saw some people walking and he had an urge to say hello, so he did, and they said “hello, how are you” back He describes it as a sensation of a child riding a bike for the first time Them saying “hello, how are you” to him, was the first time he experienced someone saying hello to him and him feeling it It was like a def person getting a cochlear implant and hearing for the first time It kick started his exploration of the world around him Integration His LSD experience was about 6 years ago, and he didn't know much about LSD at the time He didn't know what to do with his experience In the beginning, he felt as if he would go into it, see everything very clearly, and then back out of it again, and things felt more muted and ‘blurry’ “I was utilizing LSD, not for a sub-perceptive, metabolic effect, I was going for a supra-perceptive effect” - Aaron Aaron was taking at or slightly above the threshold dose amount (20-50micrograms) For someone who already had sensitivity issues, it was very apparent when he would take ‘too much’ In no way is he advocating someone to repeat what he has done, he wants it more to spark interest in researchers to find more data on this in the hopes to find relief for others Emotional Installation “LSD has helped me understand myself and embrace that” - Aaron Aaron said he's willing to take a risk to not be anonymous, because it's not some simple thing, it's so important, it's the most important thing to him He gets emails all the time saying the same thing has happened to them, but they want to stay anonymous Aaron says it has changed his relationships with his loved ones, the fact that he has this new depth of feeling has changed his relationships dramatically The main treatments for kids with autism was to help the caretaker, to help the child not fidget when they sleep Aaron says he needed to fidget, he needed to squirm around “If you can't hear, and someone is telling you over and over again ‘listen, listen, listen’, how are you going to begin to listen? That’s the void that LSD filled.” - Aaron He fell in love with parts of himself that he didn't get a chance to before Every other form of therapy was coming from the outside and telling him what to feel, LSD was the only therapy that came from the inside He mentions a quote from a documentary on someone who used truffles to help them, “Truffles installed emotionality in me” Hope for Research There were studies done with LSD on autistic children in hospital settings before the drug prohibition The results showed the kids changing so fast and so effectively It's a difficult topic, ASD research in general is heavily funded by the government Autism aside, the older you are in life, the more surprised you are when that veil is lifted for a moment The risk that he is taking is nothing compared to the significance of what good this has a chance of bringing It's not a desired risk to come out as an Autistic person, and especially as one who has taken controlled substances to heal from it Links Email: firstname.lastname@example.org About Aaron Orsini Aaron Paul Orsini is a writer, public speaker, and survivor of a decades-long battle with clinical depression resulting from social isolation, mental rumination, and hypo-sensitivity issues common in autistic individuals. When Aaron was diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder at the age of 23, he took comfort in receiving a diagnosis but remained deeply depressed as a result of seeing himself as broken and blind; someone who just couldn’t and wouldn’t “get it”. But then came his first experience with LSD, during which he became intuitively aware of the very stimuli he’d been incapable of perceiving throughout his life. Thanks to LSD---and a yet-to-be-fully-understood combination of chemically-induced synesthesia and associated fluctuations in intrinsic functional connectivity within the salience and default mode networks, Aaron can now perceive critical social cues embedded in facial expressions, speaking tones, and body language, which in turn means he feels fully connected to the human experience, and fully capable of navigating the social and emotional landscapes of life. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Daniel Greig - The Cognitive Continuum: From Insight to Enlightenment 01/14/2020
Daniel Greig - The Cognitive Continuum: From Insight to Enlightenment In this episode, Kyle and Joe interview previous guest of the show, Daniel Greig. In the show, he goes in depth into the meaning of enlightenment and previews the new book he is writing with Dr. John Vervaeke, The Cognitive Continuum. 3 Key Points: Insight, flow and mystical experiences are all facets of working toward enlightenment. Enlightenment is really a fundamental grip on reality. It's about maintaining a relationship with the transcendent, it's not about just constantly escaping this body life. The mystical experience is a glimpse at consciousness. The most important part of having a mystical (psychedelic) experience is coming back into our bodies and developing better relationships with ourselves, others and the world. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes The Cognitive Continuum There will be a crowdfunding campaign launched for the book The book will be a combination of art and science He is writing it with Dr. John Vervaeke The core of cognitive continuum is insight There is also the flow state There are also mystical states Insight, flow and mystical experiences all have something to do with enlightenment If we can train people on how to access this cognitive continuum, they can become enlightened Enlightenment It is important to see the truth “How can we take our natural ability to attach to things, and learn to step back and care about the greater good?” - Daniel Cognitive flexibility is important to understand the needs of the greater collective "Enlightenment means to apprehend truth and act in relation to truth” - Daniel Mind does not equal brain Gut Feeling EGG - electro gastro grams There is a singular resting state network between the brain and the stomach You're never really able to access this network, but when we have ‘gut feelings’ it's typically coming from neurons in your stomach Being grounded in those sensations of the stomach is a huge part of problem solving and guidance in truths We need to get back to ‘feeling’ something as actually meaning something Mystical Experience Enlightenment is really a fundamental grip on reality It's about maintaining a relationship with the transcendent, it's not about just constantly escaping this body life Daniel uses a lot of in his new book There is the absolute reality and illusory reality The mystical experience is a glimpse at consciousness The most important part of having a mystical experience is the coming back into our bodies, having better relationships with ourselves and others Psychedelics don't do anything by just sitting there, they take a perceiver to matter and make a difference It's the person, the body, that really holds the power to embodiment Psychedelics and Enlightenment People say that psychedelics are a shortcut to enlightenment Daniel says that psychedelics can help take people out of depression style states A mystical experience can help you, but you're going to hit a plateau if you don't integrate and interpret these experiences For those practicing a lot of psychedelic work, they should balance with body work like yoga There needs to be a balance in all practices in order to keep escalating toward enlightenment Links About Daniel Greig Daniel is an educator, organizer and artist living in Toronto. He studied Cognitive Science and Philosophy at the University of Toronto, specializing in wisdom, consciousness, and spiritual belief and experience. In 2015, he founded the Mapping the Mind conference that occurs annually in Toronto, which raises much needed funds for psychedelic research. Daniel regularly host lectures and workshops, on topics in cognitive science. He is currently writing a book with Dr. John Vervaeke on the science of enlightenment, which will be published in 2020. When not contemplating the realm of the intellect, Daniel delves in the sonic perturbations of music, writing and producing progressive metal. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Chris Bache - LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven 01/07/2020
Chris Bache - LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven In this episode, Kyle and Joe interview Chris Bache, author of LSD and the Mind of the Universe. Chris went through 73 high dose LSD sessions and talks about his experience in the show. 3 Key Points: Chris went through 73 high dose LSD sessions, but he says that pushing the edge of high dose and high frequency use brought on increasingly intense difficulties. He does not recommend high dose sessions like he did. The mind of the universe is where someone goes when one completely dissolves. In the show, they discuss psychedelic therapy and the debate on whether or not therapists should have to have psychedelic experience to do the therapy. Chris believes that the level of experience a therapist has had will impact the type of support they will be able to give. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Psychedelic Interest It was at the time Chris had just finished grad school and was looking where to take his research as a university professor He was introduced to the work of Stan Grof, and his book He was the professor of Religious Studies, sticking to his traditional life He knew there would come a time for him to share his experiences with a larger audience Chris says he's always been locked into his body and his physical experience He had no background in psychedelic states of consciousness Protocol He said you're always working with a sitter and same context/setting As the dosage increased, he began creating a more intense music playlist Chris thinks music is very important for psychedelic sessions Chris does not recommend working with high doses “When you're working with opening consciousness that radically, music has a tremendous effect, it has an amplifying effect by 5 or 10x than doing it without music” - Chris Chris said he has experienced all the common layers of the psychedelic unconscious that's talked about Consciousness Levels Chris experienced 4 different death/rebirths Chris differentiated 5 levels of the universe The first is at the personal mind, where an ego death happens The second takes places at the collective mind, about species The third level is an archetypal mind, the high subtle mind, moving beyond the species existence The fourth level is causal mind, causal oneness, profound states of non-dual reality The last is Diamond Luminosity, its absolute clarity, pureness Psychedelic Therapy Chris says that there is a certain level of support that one needs to truly let go of themselves and let go to the experience He says that he thinks the level of experience will impact the type of support a therapist will be able to give Subtle Level The mind of the universe is where someone goes when one completely dissolves Pushing the edge of high dose, high frequency use brought on increasingly intense difficulties Chris says he was very secret about his psychedelic use, his students didn't know about it But he said after he had gone deep and touched these different levels of consciousness, his students became alive The deeper he went in his own work, the more it touched the students at a deeper level Potency Chris thinks that LSD is a little cleaner than other psychedelics His basic sense is that psilocybin tends to be less evocative, disruptive Ayahuasca is more disruptive in opening up to deeper levels LSD is the most disruptive in opening people up to really deep levels of consciousness With LSD is was less about his personal experience, and more about the collective unconscious experience Realizations With one of his experiences, he had seen everything in his whole life all at once He then entered into archetypal experiences, the platonic domain beyond the time-space reality The beings he ‘met’ were as large as universes, responsible for creating time and space He went into ‘deep time’, different magnitudes of time experiences in a broader frame of reference (where we are in the history of time, what our future looks like) He reached that diamond luminosity level only 4 times out of all of his LSD sessions “If we keep this up, sooner or later, the totality of this consciousness is going to wake up” - Chris “We are moving toward a collective wake up, it's not a personal experience, it's a collective experience. An evolution of our species.” -Chris If Chris has one tip, is to let go of our fear of death, when we die, we go back home After so many sessions, and not taking the time to stop to integrate, after years, his body was screaming for community, and he felt this deep existential sadness and felt as if he was just waiting to die It took 10 years to integrate his deep exploration, and to finally feel okay and comfortable again in his body suit and in this life The universe is an infinite ocean of possibilities, we will never reach the end “The collective psyche is being cosmically stimulated by the trauma that we are entering into” -Chris Links Chrisbache.com - future website About Chris Christopher M. Bache is professor in the Department of Philosophy and Religious Studies at Youngstown State University where he taught for 33 years. He is also adjunct faculty at the California Institute of Integral Studies and a Fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences. An award-winning teacher, Chris’ work explores the philosophical implications of non-ordinary states of consciousness, especially psychedelic states. Chris has written three books translated into six languages: Lifecycles - a study of reincarnation in light of contemporary consciousness research; Dark Night, Early Dawn - a pioneering work in psychedelic philosophy and collective consciousness; and The Living Classroom, an exploration of teaching and collective fields of consciousness. His new book is Diamonds from Heaven ~ LSD and the Mind of the Universe (2019). Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Peter H. Addy PhD - Salvia: Research and Therapeutic Use 12/31/2019
Peter H. Addy PhD - Salvia: Research and Therapeutic Use In this episode, Joe interviews Dr. Peter Addy, Licensed Mental Health Counselor out of Washington. In the show, they talk about the research and therapeutic use of Salvia. 3 Key Points: Salvinorin A is the active molecule that causes the psychedelic experiential reports, although there are at least a dozen unique compounds in the Salvia plant. In a recreational setting, Salvia is usually smoked, but in the Mazatec culture, they do not smoke it, they use a sublingual method. The clinical applications of Salvia are tricky right now. It's not easy to get funding for psychedelic research. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Peter Peter helped found the Yale Psychedelic Speaker Series The main goal was to normalize talking about psychedelic research as research Peter joined the pharmacology lab for his post doctoral research on Salvia The team was mainly studying THC but were also studying Ketamine He wanted to bring in MDMA and Psilocybin research Peter attended The Institute of Transpersonal Psychology As a psychologist, Peter focused heavily on feedback and experience Transpersonal Psychology It all started when Peter stumbled across a dusty book in the library as a Freshman, The book talked a lot about meditation Joe says he has been practicing non-drug transpersonal states (breathwork) for years You can have a psychedelic experience without drugs, and you can also take psychedelics and not have the psychedelic experience at all, it's not about the drug “Everyone has an innate desire towards transcending who they are, moving towards wholeness, and personal and societal transformation” - Peter “If I'm kind, then people around me are more likely to be kind, it's about the transformation of groups and societies than about having a cool trick” - Peter Salvia “Psychedelic Assisted Psychotherapy is proven to do a lot of really good things, but it's not the only way and it's not necessarily the right way. There are wrong ways to do it, but not one culture owns this experience.” - Peter "Having a healthy critique of science in the modern world is helpful because its a series of provisional truths, it's a good tool to get closer to objective reality, but its not perfect, it's all we have so far" - Joe Peter says that art is an amazing tool as well Verbal language is limiting, he has seen images that can convey an experience way better than words can Salvinorin A is the active molecule that causes the psychedelic experiential reports There are at least a dozen unique compounds in the Salvia plant There was going to be a bill to make Salvia illegal in 2008 or 2009 Now it's just illegal for minors Salvia Study Peter recruited 30 people who had all used psychedelics He used a controlled set, setting and intention He used either a Salvia extract or just the unadulterated leaf No one in the real world is using Salvinorin A, they are smoking the leaf or using extracts of the leaf The participants smoked it when they desired, Peter was not enforcing the smoking It was a very relaxed setting Once the participants smoked, they then had an experience for 10 minutes, and then he came together with them and just listened to their experience 2 people got up and moved, the rest just sat there in the experience Interoception (the inner feelings of your body) is the internal form of proprioception (the feeling of your body in space) Every time you smoke something it is going to hit you quickly and be over quickly By the time you realize what's going on in a Salvia experience, you're already on your way out In the Mazatec culture, they do not smoke it, they use a sublingual method Advice The clinical applications of Salvia are tricky right now It's not easy to get funding for psychedelic research Peter says if you do get funding, attach it to something else MDMA research didn't just begin to ‘see what it could help’, PTSD sucks, and there isn't a whole lot that works to treat it, but MDMA does and it just happens to be a type of psychedelic Links About Peter Peter is both a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in Washington and a Licensed Professional Counselor in Oregon. He earned a PhD in Clinical Psychology from Sofia University in 2011, including certification in biofeedback and Process Oriented Psychodrama. There, he studied non-ordinary states of consciousness, holistic and all-encompassing views of a person, and ways that these experiences can transform a person and society. Peter then engaged in post-degree specialty training at Danville State Hospital, Yale University School of Medicine, and the Connecticut Mental Health Center. As faculty at Yale University he engaged in research and training. Some of his clinical training is in mindfulness-based therapies, Motivational Interviewing, and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. He also discovered a passion for data management and security which he brings with him to his online therapy practice. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Rafael Lancelotta and Alan Kooi Davis - 5-MEO-DMT: Facilitation Harms, Oneness and Privilege 12/24/2019
Rafael Lancelotta and Alan Kooi Davis - 5-MEO-DMT: Facilitation Harms, Oneness and Privilege In today’s episode, Joe visits Naropa in Boulder, CO to sit down with Rafael Lancelotta and Alan Kooi Davis. Alan is a Clinical Psychology Professor at Ohio State and Rafael is a legal Psychedelic Therapist operating out of Innate Path in Colorado. 3 Key Points: Facilitation is a huge problem in the 5-MEO-DMT space. Some people take it without the intention of working on it afterward, they are commonly given too much, and also in a poor context. This recipe of poor facilitation and guidance leads to a lot of challenging experiences and a lot of integration work. The feeling of oneness typically arises when taking 5-MEO-DMT. It can be great for some, but for others, it can be extremely overwhelming and harmful when not provided the correct intention, context and tools to work through it. Privilege is a huge issue in the psychedelic space. The goal in this space is to make everyone’s voice heard, not just those of privilege. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Rafael Rafael studied Mental Health Counseling at the University of Wyoming He is currently at Innate Path in Lakewood, CO doing Ketamine and Cannabis assisted Psychotherapy Alan Alan is on the Faculty at John’s Hopkins He is a Clinical Psychologist He is currently doing clinical research on psychoactive substances 5-MEO-DMT It is a psychoactive substance that comes from the Sonoran Desert Toad It's a fast acting and powerful psychedelic substance that is challenging to predict Some have amazing, beautiful and transcendent experiences, but it also has the ability to bring up challenging and dark things to deal with It isn't as visual as other psychedelics, it has to deal a lot more with consciousness itself “It may feel like being shot right into the center of love, or the center of the universe” - Alan DMT can be more visual, while 5-MEO-DMT can be more spiritual, not that they can’t dip into each other 5-MEO-DMT Harms Alan did a talk on 5-MEO-DMT at Horizons There are a lot of harms when using 5-MEO-DMT Both Alan and Rafael have been contacted numerous times about looking for facilitators or about trying to integrate massive and difficult experiences An ego death, in the right context, can be transformative, but in the wrong context, can be extremely harmful. The facilitators are the problem If the facilitators are delivering the medicine in a shamanic practice, and the people using it are coming from a Western mindset, then with goals misaligned, there can be some major issues People have these grand, god-like experiences when using psychedelics, then feel like they need to become shamans and facilitate these experiences for others and have literally no clue or education on how to properly care for these people using the Toad Joe says facilitators commonly overdose their users because the toad venom is hard to predict potency Alan says that the fear response needs to be initiated when extracting the venom from the toad He thinks it can come up as a huge problem when using 5-MEO-DMT from a fear-stricken animal Alan says there is a lot of reports of feeling abducted by aliens, and it could be related to the fear response from the toad being hunted for its venom It's a similar concept to the traumatization of any other animal by the way it is killed and then eating the meat of that traumatized animal On average, there is roughly 10-20% of 5-MEO-DMT in the venom Oneness When someone becomes ‘one’ with everything, it takes a lot of detailed integration When someone becomes ‘one’ with everything, that would also mean that they experience the suffering of everything around them When the rational mind comes back online, if the person does not decide to take action, it can be seriously overwhelming to feel that oneness Integration has part to do with the experience but then the other part is everything before it, our family, relationships, job, our personality, etc. “Yeah its cool that we are one with the universe, but so is everything else” - Rafael Power and Privilege Privilege means having a voice, but it also means position in society, gender, race etc In psychedelics, for so long, it has been so hard to find a voice But with this psychedelic renaissance, it has become so much easier to speak up about psychedelic use, research, etc The people within the scientific community get put on a pedestal to speak about psychedelic research Alan says his goal as someone in the middle of the research role, is to create community, to bring every voice to be heard Being connected to psychedelics in anyway, used to mean prosecution There are still imbalances that need to be looked at The psychedelic renaissance is a chance to look at systemic issues We need to determine what our personal values are, and values of the whole community, and whether or not they are aligned Final Thoughts Alan says his goal is to continue having a voice and allowing others’ voices to be heard in this space Rafael says his goal is to make this therapy more available to those who can benefit from it and not just for the privileged Links About Rafael Lancelotta Rafael is a graduate from the University of Wyoming in Mental Health Counseling. He has worked as a wilderness therapy guide with adolescents and young adults experiencing a wide range of emotional and psychological challenges. He has also worked as a counselor at the Behavioral Health Services unit of a psychiatric hospital treating severe and persistent mental illness and medically supervised drug and alcohol detox. He has worked on several research projects studying the epidemiology of 5-MeO-DMT use in the global population and is also the administrator of 5meodmt.org, an online forum dedicated to hosting community discussions on harm reduction, integration, and safe practices around 5-MeO-DMT use. He is interested in the use of psychedelics paired with therapy for increased resiliency, mental health, and openness. He believes that the counseling relationship is essential to deepen, enhance, and actualize the benefits of psychedelic-assisted therapy. He is passionate about finding ways to make psychedelic-assisted therapies available to all those who may benefit from it as well as helping to raise awareness as to responsible clinical applications of psychedelics/entheogens. About Alan Kooi Davis Dr. Alan K Davis is an Assistant Professor of Social Work at The Ohio State University and an Adjunct Assistant Professor in the Psychedelic Research Unit at Johns Hopkins University. Dr. Davis’s clinical experience includes working with people diagnosed with trauma-based psychological problems such as addiction, PTSD, depression, and anxiety. His clinical expertise includes providing evidenced-based treatments such as motivational interviewing, cognitive behavioral therapy, acceptance and commitment therapy, and psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy. Consistent with his clinical interests, his research interests and expertise focus on contributing to the knowledge of and ability to help those suffering with substance use and mental health problems, understanding how to improve clinical outcomes through examining new treatments, and developing ways to conceptualize substance use and mental health problems through a strengths-based approach. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Mike Jay - Mescaline: A Global History of the First Psychedelic 12/17/2019
Mike Jay - Mescaline: A Global History of the First Psychedelic In today’s episode, Joe interviews Mike Jay, Author of the book, Mescaline: A Global History of the First Psychedelic. In the show they discuss Mescaline’s origins and the history of Peyote use. 3 Key Points: Mike Jay is a Cultural Historian and Author whose topics include science, medicine, drugs, madness, literature and radical politics. Mike’s recent book, Mescaline, is a definitive history of mescaline that explores its mind-altering effects across cultures, from ancient America to western modernity. Over time, Peyote has been used by spiritual seekers, by psychologists investigating the secrets of consciousness, artists exploring the creative process, and by psychiatrists. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Mike Mike Jay is a freelance writer, an author and cultural historian Mike has been interested in Mescaline for a really long time Indigenous Use James Mooney is a crucial figure in the transition from indigenous use of peyote to the more current applications The New Deal made religions respected, protected under the First Amendment for freedom of worship History There is a ton of literature before the 60’s on psychedelic use It was obvious that if people were interested in psychoactive drugs, they would take it themselves Back then, science was much more proactive than it is today, but it is becoming more popular again Peyote Experience It's hard to find an ethical source of Peyote Mike says its unpleasant but warm and tingly and euphoric By 1970, Mescaline was this legendary substance, but it was hard to find on the streets unless you knew an underground chemist On the Erowid site, they have a bulletin that the DEA created about all of the street drug seizures He wrote a book 20 years ago called Emperors of Dreams 2CB is not as intense as Mescaline Mescaline is a phenethylamine It does not cross the blood brain barrier as easily. So you need to take more of it It is a body and mind drug Indigenous Use The Comanches were in a reservation in the Wichita mountains He was notified by the Comanches on some history He went to meet with them, and they told him stories on the history Peyote use originated inside of a Tipi “The way that we see psychedelics in modern Western culture, is not the only way of thinking about it:” - Mike Native American Church There is an interesting thing that happened between Mexican/South American Shamanic practice and Native American Church In the ceremony, the facilitator is made to not ask like a priest, everyone is their own priest It is a healing modality for everybody The very first peyote experiences in the west encouraged artists to make art Salvador Dali was apparently anti-drug use The surrealist movement had a number of rules Huichol art is a very psychedelic inspired art The plant Peyote is so fast growing, in some places it is growing naturally San Pedro is way more sustainable than Peyote There is a lot of demand for Peyote currently Joe says he thinks that Peyote is not scheduled in Canada Accounts The western story is full of first-person experiencesIts based on the personal experiences and visions In the indigenous accounts, there are very little stories on experience or personal matters, its more recording on the collective experience Links About Mike Mike Jay is a leading specialist in the study of drugs across history and cultures. The author of Artificial Paradises, Emperors of Dreams, and The Atmosphere of Heaven, his critical writing on drugs has appeared in many publications, including The Guardian, The Telegraph, and The International Journal of Drug Policy. He sits on the editorial board of the addiction journal Drugs and Alcohol Today and on the board of the Transform Drug Policy Foundation. He lives in England. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Dena Justice - Neuro Linguistic Programming and Non-ordinary States of Consciousness 12/10/2019
Dena Justice - Neuro Linguistic Programming and Non-ordinary States of Consciousness In this episode, Joe interviews Dena Justice from the Ecstatic Collective. Dena and Joe talk about Neuro Linguistic Programming and how it is beneficial to use with non-ordinary states of consciousness. 3 Key Points: NLP is Neuro Linguistic Programming. Dena Justice is a Lifestyle Design Strategist that uses NLP to help people create their dream, ecstatic life. 93% of communication happens at the subconscious level. NLP training focuses on how we use communication tools to help people in non-ordinary states of consciousness. Perception is Projection. Our belief of someone else, is a projection of ourselves onto them. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Dena Dena grew up with NLP in her life NLP is Neuro Linguistic Programming “You get to create your reality, what are you choosing consciously?” - Dena She became impacted by Tony Robbin’s events, and decided to teach NLP NLP is about language and communication and things that are happening subconsciously 93% of communication happens at the unconscious level Neuro Linguistic Programming Perception is projection “If I have a belief about someone else, that is my projection of myself onto them” - Dena The big no-no in NLP is to say things like don't or not Say it the way you intend it What messages do you want to enforce when in an altered state? You want it to be positive “What is someone creating in their reality based on their unconscious communication?” - Dena It's important to take NLP and combine it with non-ordinary states because they are more powerful together than the sum of them separately The ‘aha’ moment happens because we have neural networks in every single cell in our body Resistance is always a sign of a breakthrough is known for translating people’s representational systems In the Hierarchy of Ideas, Virginia was all about ‘chunking down’ When someone says “I'm upset” then you ask “how specifically?” On the opposing side, Milton Erickson focuses on abstraction, chunking higher to get to trance Dena uses the Milton model of hypnosis to bring people into trance states NLP Training Dena offers NLP training that focuses on how we use communication tools to help people in non-ordinary states of consciousness It's so important to understand the 93% of communication that is happening at an unconscious level Timeline therapy is a process that utilizes the unconscious mind to get rid of negative emotions such as anger, sadness and guilt Every part of her training concludes with NLP coaching The Milton model and hypnosis is really beneficial when focusing on its delivery specifically Hypnosis is important because its using everyday words but with intention and volition to put people into a trance state We reduce resistance in communication when we move up in abstraction Links About Dena Justice As a master manifester, Dena has created a beautiful life for herself. She been financially responsible since age 15 including putting herself through college, two masters degrees and purchasing her own home in the San Francisco Bay Area. She has made over $1M in her life through a fulfilling career as a facilitator, educator, trainer, mentor and coach working with thousands of people across the country. She loved her career, yet hit a point where she felt empty. Near the top of her career ladder, she was a classic case of a high performer and leader hitting burnout. She chose a powerful pivot out of her J-O-B and into her own business. Now, she helps other high performers who have hit burnout and are scared to admit they’ve hit a plateau or a wall. She helps them get the eff out of their own way and move to the next level to increase their impact so they feel fulfilled and inspired again, as well as helping them create more wealth and the relationships they want in their lives. She helps people experience new levels of success, increase/improve focus and performance, abolish FOMO, evolve communication skills, develop transformational leadership skills, create amazing relationships, increase financial abundance and live life on their own terms. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Raquel Bennett - KRIYA Conference Recap: Ketamine in Psychiatry and Psychotherapy 12/03/2019
Raquel Bennett - KRIYA Conference Recap: Ketamine in Psychiatry and Psychotherapy In this episode, Kyle sits down with Raquel Bennett to recap on the KRIYA Conference. Kyle attended the conference, which is to bring people together with dedication to understanding the better use of Ketamine. 3 Key Points: The more recent KRIYA Conference was the last of its kind. The goal is to make information on ketamine more accessible to more people in the future. At KRIYA Institute, they believe that there is not one right way to use ketamine, different patients are best served by different treatment strategies. Intramuscular ketamine is usually 93% bioavailable, while nasal and lozenge based ketamine is usually only 40% bioavailable. The less variability the better when working with a powerful medicine for therapy. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes KRIYA KRIYA is an international conference focused on ketamine and its therapeutic potential The goal of KRIYA is to get people of all different ketamine backgrounds in the same room Different people benefit from different things, and different doses and methods matter There is a symbiotic relationship between therapeutic and spiritual practice of ketamine She wanted to create a place where researchers and clinicians could come together This last conference was the last one The conference is CME accredited, which means physicians can get units for their education Raquel picks people from different backgrounds, therapists who use low dose ketamine for therapy, to those who do full blown spiritual work with ketamine Ketamine is a relational medicine - which is about having a relationship with the substance Ketamine Therapy Ketamine Therapy Lessons Wisdom Teaching A Loving Relationship The Medicine The medicine is adjunct to the entire process, it's not just about the ketamine, it's about the relationships, the wisdom teaching, etc. And each are powerful on their own, and even more powerful when all combined When people are using ketamine in absence from the other components, people are not getting the full effect that they could “Ketamine when done correctly, when administered in the right setting, with the correct support, enhances resilience.” - Raquel Therapy is an important mechanism to teach coping skills needed in psychotherapy Highlights of KRIYA When Raquel first started running this conference in 2015, the clinicians were afraid to even come, they were afraid to talk about Ketamine This past year, there were hundreds of applicants and so much excitement around talking about ketamine In 2014, a whole bunch of psychiatrists stood up and said they have been using ketamine for their patients and it worked A doctor talked about combining meditation with ketamine to heal substance use disorder When ketamine is offered in a structured context, its highly beneficial Another doctor talked about using ketamine to treat those who are acutely suicidal People who are severely psychiatrically distressed benefit from ketamine treatment Another doctor talked about combining ketamine with EMDR to treat patients with PTSD Bioavailability Raquel says she prefers intramuscular ketamine over lozenges It's the cheapest way of doing it Its super precise, you have a great control of the bioavailability of the ketamine to the patient With IM, 93% is bioavailable With nasal and lozenge ketamine, usually 40% makes it to the patient's brain, which is a huge range of variability when working with a powerful medicine Progression Clinicians are on the fence for prescribing for at home use A doctor talked about 4 different tiers of ketamine experiences related to dosage Other doctors talked about measurement tools of pre and post experience ways to take data when administering ketamine to patients There is a lot of ketamine use outside of the medical context The field is stuck in the question “Should ketamine be allowed to be used by people who aren't psychiatrically fragile?” Everything good that is going to come out of ketamine usage and assisted therapy, will come It's a slow process, but it is all moving forward Final Thoughts Raquel encourages people to are interested with using ketamine in therapy to get together regionally and learn from each other She is thinking about creating a video series, as well as a retreat for ketamine providers The KRIYA Conference is over, but the KRIYA Institute isn't going anywhere She is looking at ways to get the information out faster and to more people, than to limit it just to conference attendees Links About Raquel Bennett Dr. Bennett is a Post-Doctoral Fellow in Clinical Psychology (PSB 94022544), working under the supervision of Dr. Bravo. Dr. Bennett primarily works with people who are experiencing severe depression, who are on the bipolar spectrum, or who are contemplating suicide. She has been studying the therapeutic properties of ketamine since she first encountered it in 2002. In addition to her clinical work, Dr. Bennett’s practice has evolved to include consultation services for medical professionals who wish to add ketamine services to their offices. She also lectures frequently about therapeutic ketamine. Dr. Bennett is the Founder of KRIYA Institute and the Organizer of the KRIYA Conferences. Use code PSYTODAY at for a discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free audible trial at
info_outline Andy Frasco - Finding Balance with Psychedelics and other Substances as a Touring Musician 11/26/2019
Andy Frasco - Finding Balance with Psychedelics and other Substances as a Touring Musician In today’s episode, Joe sits down with Andy Frasco, a touring rock musician with the band, Andy Frasco and the UN. In the show, they cover what is it like to be a touring rock musician with drugs so available and how to live more healthfully in the space. 3 Key Points: Andy Frasco is a talented, touring music artist a part of the band, Andy Frasco and the UN, as well as a podcast show host. Andy uses psychedelics to help cope with the anxiety that the rock star lifestyle brings. Psychedelics open us up to the possibility that everything we know is wrong. Finding truth and clarity for some people is hard, and people resort to alcohol and other harmful behaviors to suppress the painful reality we live in. Cocaine and uppers only keep a rock star up for so long. It keeps you awake for the partying, but it suppresses all the stresses of the lifestyle. Psychedelics and meditation can help with the balance needed in a stressful, lifestyle of traveling and fame. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Intro Joe attended a bunch of his live shows and was able to catch up with Andy in his hotel room while he was in town Life is tough for a traveling entertainer, so the healthier they are, the better they are to perform for their audience Micro-dosing Microdosing is typically 6 weeks on, two weeks off, dosing every 3 days 1/10-3/10ths of a gram (of mushrooms) is the typical microdose Once you feel it, it's more of a macro-dose Paul Stamets has made mushrooms popular Mushroom Evolution Mushrooms did not leave a mark on bone structure, so it's hard to tell if they actually made a difference in human evolution Drugs have been around for a long time, and people in the past have definitely used them There are studies of mushrooms helping to grow nerve cells and brain neurons back We are only 50-100 years in on science “(Psychedelics) open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong.” -Terence McKenna Joe says he's been to a therapist a bunch of times, and he says he has enjoyed it Joe’s main form of therapy has been Breathwork His most intense experiences have been just as powerful as his Ayahuasca experience About Andy Andy says he is open about taking psychedelics, he takes mushrooms, he doesn't really use cocaine He says he feels more anxious when he isn't taking them than when he is He says he gets really anxious on weed now as he gets older Psychedelics show us a lot of truths “We are all trying to figure out life, it's hard. Psychedelics help us create a better relationship with our mind.” - Andy Andy says he has been anxious his whole life He has had very scary panic attacks He became addicted to sex as a crutch for his anxiety He woke up one day, and sex didn't give him the thrill anymore Andy started in the music industry because rock stars get the chicks Teen years are just about being super insecure about everything Shame is a huge influence on our relationships with other people “The majority of effects from drug use for people are good.” - a quote from Carl Hart, a Psychology Professor who studies drug use Andy's first psychedelic experience was an 8th of mushrooms at 18 years old Rock Star Lifestyle Andy says he used to be really into coke because he just had to stay up for the shows But he says he doesn't take anything anymore that feels like speed He was coping his exhaustion with drugs and alcohol “When you're in a band you're the party for one day of the year in that city.” - Andy Life for a rock star can't just be the 2 hour show, the trick is figuring out how to be mindful for the other 14 hours of the day after the party The lifestyle is really hard, its very common to use drugs, sex and alcohol to suppress it Humans were not designed for this Andy has begun using transcendental meditation to help with this lifestyle He also mentions having his first DMT experience recently Links Use code PSYTODAY at for discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free trail at About Andy Frasco Andy Frasco, a Los Angeles, CA native singer, songwriter, band maestro, entrepreneur, party starter and everyday hustler, tours with his band, “The U.N.” The music has elements of Soul, Funk, Rock and Roots and the shows have been described as orchestrated chaos, an overall great time. Frasco average 200+ dates a year, touring the country dozens of times, creating a loyal following everywhere he goes.
info_outline Kyle and Joe - Q&A: The Many Uses of Psychedelics 11/19/2019
Kyle and Joe - Q&A: The Many Uses of Psychedelics In this episode, Kyle and Joe sit down to cover questions from listeners of the show. They discuss topics that include psychedelic use for exorcisms, cluster headaches, athletic performance, processing grief and more. 3 Key Points: There are a few examples where psychedelics are used to increase athletic performance. Psychedelics can also be used to help realign those who are using sports as a form of distraction from internalized issues. When eliminating variables for psilocybin consistency in mushrooms for therapeutic use, freeze drying helps. But there are so many variables in mushrooms versus synthesized psilocybin. When addressing the sustainability of the Toad, according to the data, there isn't a real difference between 5-MEO-DMT from a toad and synthesized 5-MEO-DMT Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Kratom Warning Joe brings up an issue that was brought up to him by a physician from the , Dr. Craig Heacock, out of Fort Collins, CO Dr. Heacock warns about Kratom It is safer than opioids, but it can be physically addictive and getting off of it can be horrible Kratom withdrawal closely imitates opioid withdrawal The receptor site activity is the same as opioid pills Using Psychedelics for an Exorcism Kyle thinks of shamanic uses for plant medicines, and with the idea of purging and spiritual emergence, working in non-ordinary states can exacerbate these states and maybe help with this kind of work Joe and Kyle go into writings from Stan Grof, explaining the physical appearance of those going through LSD psychotherapy or breathwork, and how it assimilates to an ‘exorcism’ of releasing the bad The purging during a psychedelic experience may feel evil, or alien Joe and Kyle say, do not perform an exorcism, leave it to the trained people Treating Cluster Headaches with Psychedelics is an organization for the research on cluster headaches LSD works for some as well as oxygen treatments work for others We know a lot more about migraines than cluster headaches The migraine is where neurons in the brain start misfiring and create a firing storm How can Psilocybin Mushrooms be Standardized in Production for Therapeutic Use? Joe says the practical solution is to have a really large amount of psilocybe cubensis, all blended up, and then split in even doses There are potency differences between species, strains, etc There are so many variances with mushrooms versus synthetic psilocybin Freeze drying also promotes close to 0% loss of psilocybin when drying mushrooms Psychedelics and Athletic Performance There may be psychological blocks that are getting in the way of a person reaching the peak performance of their genome It could be trauma, or psychological blocks Athletic performance could be a distraction from what you're really here to do Athletes have a lot of dysfunctional behavior Psychedelics may show us our bad behavior and help us align Kyle says he had this passion to snowboard and dedicate his life to snowboarding, and then he received a message in journeywork that told him snowboarding is simply a hobby and he needs to focus his life on other things “Sports are a great way to cover up our emotions” - Joe Kyle mentions tow other episodes that cover similar topics How to get the Ball Rolling on Psychedelic Liberty Start a club Joe says he’s been incubating a Psychedelic Club in Phoenix Clubs are great for harm reduction Is There a Humane or Conservative Way to Harvest the Toad Without Disrupting its Habitat? Joe says yes, roadkill, pick them up off the road If you touch a living one, there is a chance you'll be doing harm Even touching the toad can transmit harmful fungus to them According to the data, there isn't a real difference between 5-MEO-DMT from a toad and synthesized 5-MEO-DMT How Psychedelics Might help with Processing Grief Kyle says when he thinks about grief, he thinks about trauma Psychedelics may be really beneficial when treating trauma Kyle says he loves breathwork, because it creates the container to process things and even just simply cry Kyle recommends a really great book on grieving, by Martin Prechtel Our culture does not contain grief very well A lot of people internalize it instead of breaking down and letting it go Links Use code PSYTODAY at for discount on all products except fitness equipment Get a 30 day free trail at About Kyle Kyle’s interest in exploring non-ordinary states of consciousness began when he was 16-years-old when he suffered a traumatic snowboarding accident. Waking up after having a near-death experience changed Kyle’s life. Since then, Kyle has earned his B.A. in Transpersonal Psychology, where he studied the healing potential of non-ordinary states of consciousness by exploring shamanism, plant medicine, Holotropic Breathwork, and the roots/benefits of psychedelic psychotherapy. Kyle has co-taught two college-level courses. One of the courses Kyle created as a capstone project, “Stanislav Grof’s Psychology of Extraordinary Experiences,” and the other one which he co-created, “The History of Psychedelics.” Kyle completed his M.S. in clinical mental health counseling with an emphasis in somatic psychology. Kyle’s clinical background in mental health consists of working with at-risk teenagers in crisis and with individuals experiencing an early-episode of psychosis. Kyle also facilitates . About Joe Joe studied philosophy in New Hampshire, where he earned his B.A.. After stumbling upon the work of Stanislav Grof during his undergraduate years, Joe began participating in Holotropic Breathwork workshops in Vermont in 2003. Joe helped facilitate Holotropic and Transpersonal Breathwork workshops while he spent his time in New England. He is now working in the software industry as well as hosting a few podcasts. Joe now coordinates Dreamshadow Transpersonal Breathwork workshops, in Breckenridge, Colorado.
info_outline Jac Harrison - DMT Inspired Music: How DMT Mimics The Near-Death Experience 11/12/2019
Jac Harrison - DMT Inspired Music: How DMT Mimics The Near-Death Experience In this episode, Kyle sits down with Jac Harrison, a grammy nominated music producer. Kyle and Jac talk about music as therapy, how DMT mimics the near death experience, and how Jac produces music based on frequencies of mystical experiences. 3 Key Points: Jac shares his story about his near death experience, and how DMT has been a therapeutic option for him to cope with his crippling anxiety and PTSD. Jac is a music producer, who uses frequencies from mystical experiences to produce music. His music helps people with addiction, sleep issues, anxiety, and more. Music is not an FDA approved medicine, but if there is music that tricks your mind into thinking you have taken a medicine, then it should be an option for those suffering. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes About Jac In 2008, Jac was newly married with a baby on the way He needed a new job, and accepted one with Whole Foods Magazine Around 2011, the owner of the company became ill, and gave his company to his daughter, who was awful Jac said that he knew something had to change He started his music career, went under a lot of stress, and went through a divorce Everything started to go okay with his music career, money was pouring in His first album was Musicians Collection Project He had a ton of anxiety after the divorce, and had high blood pressure He took some cold medicine, on top of his blood pressure medicine, totally forgot about it, then decided to have a glass of wine with a friend The next thing he knew, he was in an ambulance getting his chest pounded on They told him he was in and out all night, and practically died After this near death experience, he felt amazing! But the feeling of greatness only lasted about 3 weeks, and then his anxiety came back, and it was crippling A Synchronistic Event Jac says he doesn't believe in magic or witchcraft or any woo woo For his 39th birthday, he was working a trade show He ran around his hotel in Las Vegas, screaming that he felt he was going to die He didn't know how, but he could feel it Everyone thought he was crazy Moments later, was the shooting right outside of his hotel It was the Las Vegas shooting He does believe in coincidence He had this overwhelming feeling that something bad was going to happen, it was his intuition Understanding the Experience After trying to figure out what this all meant, he took a 2000mg bar of chocolate to blast off, trying to relive his near death experience He said, there was a lot of frequency, and as a musician, he felt like he could mimic it His first album, and first song on the album, Relief, was about his experience when he died His music is found at Each song he did after that, catalogs the DMT experience he had “An old projector TV, I had one for a while, it was great. The light came on and told me I needed to change the bulb. I changed the bulb and saw in a new and clear way forever. That's what DMT is like.” - Jac Kyle says that when he attended COSM for the DMT Spirit Molecule release party, Rick Strassman was there and said that the idea that DMT comes out of the pineal gland is just a hypothesis, and people took it and ran with it as truth Frequency for Healing After he smoked DMT, he heard this humming, and so he started humming and recording it as a frequency for the album He took opium, and then figured out the frequency that substance performs at He wrote music, based on the mathematical equation on how opium works and releases He says it has helped others detox off of opium Jac cant take mushrooms because he is allergic, so he takes DMT Jac worked with a man who had gone through a ton of trauma, he had gone through combat He kept reliving his combat trauma when he would try to go asleep He smoked DMT, and really relived the experience, and was able to let go of it after that “Your mind is a bitch.” - Jac “If you can lock onto a memory, and dissociate it with something, and re-associate it with something else, Every time you can go back to that memory,you can relive it in a way that it's tolerable, and get over it.” - Jac Jac says without this, he would not be able to function, and he would be institutionalized Jac’s music is Alex Grey’s form of art creation It is made to go with journeywork experiences It is supposed to mimic taking a pill, so you don't need to take the actual pill It is supposed to guide people when taking different psychedelics His tracks match the frequency of specific psychedelics Malta Hypogeum , the oracle chamber, is a cave with naturally occurring frequencies Raymond Reif is an underestimated person in history He beat cancer using frequencies in the 30’s and 40’s “If we're not going to someone to get drugs for something that we need drugs for, and solving our problems using plant based medicines, music therapy, and frequencies, we are much better off.” - Jac Jac came across psychedelics when trying to treat crippling anxiety Kyle is the first person he has told this NDE story to Alzheimers is not a neurological problem, it's a perception problem Psychedelic medicine should be used for research to treat cognitive health problems, PTSD, alzheimers, etc “If the earth gives us something for our body, we should be able to take that at the same time we are able to take modern medicine.” - Jac Jac says that he started doing this type of work as more of an Atheist, and after the psychedelic experiences, he says he has become more spiritual Intuition Jac says that his intuition and discernment came after his near death experience Kyle says that this happens after mystical experiences, we become more in tune with what is going on around us “I believe that we have something in us, that is triggered, when we have a fear of death.” - Jac Final thoughts Jac recommends Relief as the first track for listeners He extends himself to people who are heavily anxious, have severe PTSD, or depressed, to come to him, and he will make music for them He said that this is not medicine, but if there is music that tricks your mind into thinking you have taken a medicine, then it should be an option for those suffering Links About Jac Harrison Having spent most of his adolescent life medicated to treat ADD/ADHD, Jac developed a dependency on the medications and could not function without them. When he stopped using them, his anxiety was so bad that he was diagnosed with PTSD in 2009; so he took his love for music with his understanding of mathematics and developed music to help himself get off all the medication. Mind Toy Box is the result of his work.
info_outline Kyle Buller and Joe Moore - Exploring Psychedelic Integration and Coaching 11/05/2019
Kyle Buller and Joe Moore - Exploring Psychedelic Integration and Coaching In this episode, Kyle and Joe sit down to explore psychedelic integration. They cover different frameworks, resources and benefits of integration and coaching services. 3 Key Points: Integration is commonly confused as post-session only, but it includes pre-session, self care, and really begins at the point you decide to engage in self-work. It is important to remember the GPA framework when determining where you are at in the integration process, G - grounding, P - processing, A - action. Psychedelics Today offers many resources to assist with the integration process; Navigating Psychedelics Online Course (and Live Course), Coaching and Integration Calls, and books, Trip Journal and Integration Workbook. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Updates Kyle will be attending the this November He is speaking and doing a breakout session with Michelle Hobart Kyle is going to present on using technology for support with spiritual emergence Kyle and Joe will not be offering any major workshops until spring. They will be attending a conference in Exeter UK - Psychedelic Integration Kyle says his near death experience shows up in his life everyday Integration is not only post session, it is also pre-session Integration, at its root means bringing parts together into wholeness Joe says you don't need support to do integration, although it is helpful Kyle's analogy of a psychedelic experience as a big hallway with a lot of doors, and a ton of magical stuff, even scary monsters, are coming through the doors and wandering through the halls The goal is to realize and say “this is a part of me” and learn to be okay with all of the stuff in the hall Self care works until it doesn't, and that is when integration comes in Integration Framework Kyle uses a framework and asks, what is your GPA? G - grounding, post session, how are we getting re-connected to ourselves? P - processing, once energy feels stable and centered, how can we process the material? It could mean journaling, therapy, body or somatic work, breathwork, yoga, etc. A - action, moving it forward, breaking the leanings down into goals of things to work on Kyle says that these things do not need to be done in order necessarily, but its a good framework to check in after an experience and see where you're at Joe reminds listeners of 'pre-hab', that preparation can make a world of a difference and weigh a lot more than post work in a lot of cases “Life is integration, call your mom, pay your rent.” - Joe Joe mentions the quote that “the opposite of addiction is connection” Climate change can bring up a lot of existential dread, the connection piece, and other topics can be addressed with psychedelic integration Resources The Psychedelics Today, is a great way to learn more about integration We offer two books, the and the We also offer coaching calls and services You don't need an integration coach all the time, but for someone to just be there helps If you have a retreat planned, integration and coaching can really help mitigate the risks Integration within the psychedelic community is somewhat understood Kyle says he gets tons of emails asking for medicine sessions Psychedelic Integration and coaching services do not include medicine or guiding or providing of medicine, its simply pre and post session guidance Psychedelics Today does not suggest underground or illegal psychedelic sessions/therapy and makes a significant effort to be ignorant of underground work, there are legal options to choose from Links About Kyle Kyle’s interest in exploring non-ordinary states of consciousness began when he was 16-years-old when he suffered a traumatic snowboarding accident. Waking up after having a near-death experience changed Kyle’s life. Since then, Kyle has earned his B.A. in Transpersonal Psychology, where he studied the healing potential of non-ordinary states of consciousness by exploring shamanism, plant medicine, Holotropic Breathwork, and the roots/benefits of psychedelic psychotherapy. Kyle has co-taught two college-level courses. One of the courses Kyle created as a capstone project, “Stanislav Grof’s Psychology of Extraordinary Experiences,” and the other one which he co-created, “The History of Psychedelics.” Kyle completed his M.S. in clinical mental health counseling with an emphasis in somatic psychology. Kyle’s clinical background in mental health consists of working with at-risk teenagers in crisis and with individuals experiencing an early-episode of psychosis. Kyle also facilitates . About Joe Joe studied philosophy in New Hampshire, where he earned his B.A.. After stumbling upon the work of Stanislav Grof during his undergraduate years, Joe began participating in Holotropic Breathwork workshops in Vermont in 2003. Joe helped facilitate Holotropic and Transpersonal Breathwork workshops while he spent his time in New England. He is now working in the software industry as well as hosting a few podcasts. Joe now coordinates Dreamshadow Transpersonal Breathwork workshops, in Breckenridge, Colorado.
info_outline Kyle and Joe - Horizons Highlights: Perspectives on Psychedelics 10/29/2019
Kyle and Joe - Horizons Highlights: Perspectives on Psychedelics In this episode, Joe and Kyle sit down to cover highlights from the Horizons Conference. In the show, they discuss the presentations and topics they heard at the conference. 3 Key Points: Joe and Kyle attended Horizons: Perspectives on Psychedelics Conference in NYC, it is a forum that examines the role of psychedelic drugs and plant medicines in science, medicine, culture and spirituality. Carl Hart gave a compelling talk; Dispelling the Lies that the Psychedelic Community believes about Drugs. Greater than 80% of the effects of drugs used are positive. Another popular topic was on the economics around psychedelics, and discussion on companies trying to monopolize on psychedelics. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Horizons Kyle mentions he loves to attend because it's a great social event to connect with others interested or involved in the psychedelic field Kyle says the videos of the talks from the conference will be released soon They presented neuro-imaging data 5-MEO-DMT did a talk on 5-MEO-DMT and its challenges People have a hard time letting go into the experience because its so fast and overwhelming He talked about a term, reactivation, similar to flashbacks that happen between 1-2 weeks after the experience People were reporting it as positive experiences, 80% of people enjoyed the reactivations He did say that there were some bad players in the 5-MEO-DMT space There is no control in the dosing in underground facilitation A lot of people eyeball their dosage in 5-MEO-DMT Joe suggests to buy a milligram scale Carl Hart did a talk; Dispelling the Lies that the Psychedelic Community believes about drugs Greater than 80% of the effects of drugs used are positive PCP is a psychedelic drug, but the psychedelic community chooses not to own it Ketamine was derived from PCP Hamilton Morris said that no drug is bad, it comes down to the dose and how its being used Poison can be a medicine, and medicine can be a poison, it all depends on dose No drug should be illegal, drug scheduling should just go away Some states are starting to ban private prisons Joe says the drug war is the war on race, the war on class, etc Joe suggests looking up the Portugal drug law; less overdoses, less HIV, less incarceration, etc Kyle mentions that in some cultures they would drink alcohol to get into a trance state and dance around all night and then chill for 3 days afterward because they would all be recovering from the hangover Talks and Topics Shelby and Madison, co founders from Doubleblind Magazine did a talk Fiona Misham did a talk on the use of psychedelics for festivals and fun She talked about having on-site drug testing facilities and how they heighten safety In 2018 in Europe the MDMA contents were tested at 168milligrams 1 in 5 substances are mis-sold 1 in 20 MDMA samples were long lasting N-ethylpentylone, a drug that keeps you up for 3 days straight There was also an Economics panel Kyle says it was a heavy and hot debate There was a lot of conversation on companies making money on psychedelics There was worry from some on Compass Pathways monopolizing on psychedelics Kyle says big and fast growth can be dangerous for mental health It's possible that these companies will just push for results to pay off the investment than to really take the time to have slow meaningful sessions and include the therapeutic model When therapists have more congruence with their client, they get better results Links About Kyle Kyle’s interest in exploring non-ordinary states of consciousness began when he was 16-years-old when he suffered a traumatic snowboarding accident. Waking up after having a near-death experience changed Kyle’s life. Since then, Kyle has earned his B.A. in Transpersonal Psychology, where he studied the healing potential of non-ordinary states of consciousness by exploring shamanism, plant medicine, Holotropic Breathwork, and the roots/benefits of psychedelic psychotherapy. Kyle has co-taught two college-level courses. One of the courses Kyle created as a capstone project, “Stanislav Grof’s Psychology of Extraordinary Experiences,” and the other one which he co-created, “The History of Psychedelics.” Kyle completed his M.S. in clinical mental health counseling with an emphasis in somatic psychology. Kyle’s clinical background in mental health consists of working with at-risk teenagers in crisis and with individuals experiencing an early-episode of psychosis. Kyle also facilitates . About Joe Joe studied philosophy in New Hampshire, where he earned his B.A.. After stumbling upon the work of Stanislav Grof during his undergraduate years, Joe began participating in Holotropic Breathwork workshops in Vermont in 2003. Joe helped facilitate Holotropic and Transpersonal Breathwork workshops while he spent his time in New England. He is now working in the software industry as well as hosting a few podcasts. Joe now coordinates Dreamshadow Transpersonal Breathwork workshops, in Breckenridge, Colorado.
info_outline RiverStyx - Funding the Access and Preservation of Sacred Plant Medicines 10/22/2019
RiverStyx - Funding the Access and Preservation of Sacred Plant Medicines In this episode, Joe interviews Cody Swift from the Riverstyx Foundation. In the show, they talk about Peyote and the troubles for Native Americans and their church not having access and preservation of Peyote. 3 Key Points: RiverStyx is a small family foundation that funds projects that demonstrate the potential for healing and beauty. RiverStyx has funded the preservation of land to protect the sacred Peyote plant. The Portugal Model shows that decriminalization works. Portugal faced unprecedented overdoses and drug abuse, typically with heroine, and when they turned to decriminalization and treatment, overdoses and incarceration dropped significantly to almost none. The Native American churches have held onto their ceremonial practices very tightly, and they struggle to find legal and sustainable access to Peyote, their sacred plant medicine. 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Show Notes About Cody and RiverStyx Foundation RiverStyx is a small family foundation Cody’s grandfather was the CEO of UPS, and before his grandmother passed, she put a large share of the stock into a small family foundation Cody and his father took their quarter of the Foundation and created RiverStyx “How do you use a million and a half dollars a year for remarkable good?” - Cody He fell into philanthropy along with the burden/blessing of making decisions to change the world with a lot of money He started LEAD (Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion) It is a program that aims to help those struggling with addiction rather than punishing them with prison time The Portugal Model In the early 2000’s, Eric Schlosser’s book, Reefer Madness eluded to Portugal having decriminalized all drugs Portugal faced unprecedented overdoses and drug abuse, typically with heroine They realized that they couldn't arrest their country out of the drug addiction problem, so they turned to decriminalization and treatment They de-stigmatized treatment and drug users didn't have to feel ashamed and use drugs in the shadows This lowered HIV rates to almost nothing It was highly successful “Not everyone needs drugs, but not everyone should be at risk to go to jail if they get caught with them.” - Joe Joe encourages psychedelically inclined folks to look deeper into harm reduction and drug decriminalization “Let's provide these people safe access to a clean supply where they can stabilize again” - Cody Joe mentions a book by Jeremy Narby, Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge, The drug war is causing danger to the plants Cody says, if cane syrup was made illegal because it is killing people, we wouldn’t ban the growth of corn, because it is sacred and used for so many other things “Jail is one of the biggest problems for mushroom users” - Joe Joe mentions that he was a little frustrated that Michael Pollan was able to take mushrooms and not go to jail, but the average person could go to jail Cody says that he highly respects Michael Pollan and what he has done for the psychedelic revolution, and that he thinks that Pollan wouldn't want anyone to go to jail for this People like Michael Pollan and Tim Ferriss have done a tremendous job securing funding for Psychedelic Research Peyote Native American people had always been close to Cody’s heart As a philanthropist, he didn't know where to begin There is a myriad of problems facing Native American communities About 5 years ago, it just came into consciousness He got connected to Sandor of the Native American church He learned about ceremony and it became absolutely clear that he had to be a part of it It was an unclear path on how to support the community in the beginning, there was no 501C-3, there were no other philanthropists, the community is so large “How to support them in the continuance and empowerment of their using of a highly potent and healing substance to treat communities that have suffered so much, that was the key question” - Cody Looking at the threat and endangerment of the Peyote plant was the most important part of securing the preservation of this sacred plant Synthetic Mescaline is difficult to access and expensive Ceremony It's hard to track the ancient original threats to the traditions The Native American churches have held onto the ceremonial practices very tightly It's important that white people don't just come in and tweak the ceremony The average life expectancy for Native Americans is only in their 50s They have gone through so much suffering, and they are very awake, sensitive people that are holding this culture and practice close to them Alcoholism is one of the largest problems in Native American communities, and Peyote has shown to be a highly tangible benefit and cure for alcoholism Preservation It has taken over 4 years to begin building these alliances Riverstyx and Bronners have been the only sources of funding, they need more Through this, they purchased 605 acres of land for peyote preservation in Texas 600 acres may not solve the Peyote crisis, but it is a start and has opened the doors to connect with other farmers that has now led to 12,000 acres dedicated to peyote preservation This is to return sovereignty and control to the Native After the land was purchased, they had a pilgrimage with the Navajo Peyote is God to them, it's their connection to the spiritual realm Native Americans have resisted acculturation and stuck to their ways, that is their strength Links Email: email@example.com About RiverStyx RiverStyx Foundation attempts to lessen human suffering caused by misguided social policy and stigma, while advocating enhanced opportunities for healing, growth, and transformation in such areas as drug policy, criminal justice, and end-of-life care. The Riverstyx Foundation believes in the human potential for healing, growth, and transformation. The Riverstyx Foundation works to provide a bridge to the relinquished parts of ourselves, our society, and our ecology, to ease those fears and prejudices by funding projects that demonstrate the potential for healing and beauty, when life is embraced in its fullest expression.
info_outline Louis Adam and Jordan Williams - Mycology Now: Spreading Knowledge one Spore at a Time 10/15/2019
Louis Adam and Jordan Williams - Mycology Now: Spreading Knowledge one Spore at a Time In this episode, Joe sits down with Jordan and Lou from Mycology Now, a company that makes and sells spore syringes for microscopy use. In the show, they talk about the start of Mycology Now, the culture change caused by psychedelics, and personal stories on how psychedelics changed their lives. 3 Key Points: Mycology Now is a company that produces premium spores for microscopy use. The goal is to spread knowledge about mycology, one spore at a time. We are living in an age of information that has never been experienced before, people have the tools to break the stigma on their own just by educating themselves. Psychedelics are becoming a culture change agent, more and more people are becoming accepting of psychedelics, and psychedelics are helping people come together to create positive change. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Mycology Now Jordan and Lou are co-owners and creators of Mycology Now The company runs out of Florida Mycology Now is a company that sells spores for microscopy They have two locations in Denver The mission of the company is to spread spores and knowledge Lou shares how his interest in mycology began He says it began with his struggle with depression and suicidal tendencies Psilocybin had ended up being the only thing that helped with the struggle, the depression was completely erased Jordan shares his story His mother was in a relationship when he was about 10 years old with an abusive man This man abused narcotics, opioids He was abusive mentally, physically and emotionally He grew up being convinced that he wasn't worthy of love, and he blamed himself About 2 years ago, he discovered mushrooms, and was able to go into the painful parts of his childhood and forgive himself and heal from his trauma “Although negative things did happen to me, and to my family, I was not the cause of it, and I should not have to carry that around with me.” - Jordan He wants to do everything in his power to bring that to the rest of the world Shattering the Stigma One thing that they have noticed about the younger generation is that they are way more open and have way more acceptance of psychedelics and an interest in self care and mental health “We are living in an age of information that has never been experienced before, people have the tools to break the stigma on their own just by educating themselves.” - Jordan Joe mentions that in Colorado, psychedelics are a bit normalized to have conversation about In Florida, the median age is 55, so there is more of a challenge because people that age grew up in the taboo time of psychedelics The start of Mycology Now It organically grew into a website Lou says it was an entity that grew on its own Joe predicts that in 2020, we are about to see the Psilocybin movement really take off Joe brings up the Paul Stamets Stack, which is Cubensis, Lions Mane and Niacin There are testimonials about auditory changes that you can measure, you can increase your ability to hear frequencies They bring up an example of a deaf man being able to hear the waves of the ocean for the first time after practicing the Stamet’s stack Psychedelics as a Culture Change agent Some people say its the worst time in history, and other people say this is the best time in history There is a hunger of more digestible ways of receiving information Psychedelics can help us understand the impermanence of things Lou brings up that Paul Staments and Dennis McKenna were the catalysts to his understanding of mycology Jordan says that his inspiration and influence came from people at music festivals People are very open and authentic when on psychedelics Meeting real people with real lives who had profound change in their lives because of psychedelics are his major sources of inspiration Psilocybin for Cancer and Depression Lou’s sister was diagnosed with Metastatic breast cancer with a double mastectomy and was diagnosed with depression afterward After talking about the health benefits, she took psilocybin, and laid down and disconnected with her body Afterward, she was able to come out of it and talk about her ease with death The experience felt like death itself, and having felt what death might feel like, she no longer experiences depression about her cancer Final Fun Fact Johns Hopkins psilocybin study on smoking cessation 80% of people were abstinent from smoking cigarettes on a 6 month followup Those people smoked an average of 19 cigarettes per day for an average of 31 years of their life Links About Mycology Now Mycology Now is a humble small business dedicated to spreading awareness. They are a company that makes and sells spore syringes for microscopy use. Their Mushroom Spore prints and syringes speak for themselves; always having a heavy spore count.
info_outline Dr. Daniela Peluso - Guidelines for the Awareness of Sexual Abuse in Ayahuasca Ceremony 10/08/2019
Dr. Daniela Peluso - Guidelines for the Awareness of Sexual Abuse in Ayahuasca Ceremony In this episode, Kyle joins in conversation with Dr. Daniela Peluso, Cultural Anthropologist and Associate Director at . In the show, they discuss guidelines for the awareness of against sexual abuse in Ayahuasca ceremony. 3 Key Points: Ayahuasca settings bring together shamans and participants, and with the increasing occurrence of such encounters, there is an alarming rate of incidences where shamans make sexual advances toward participants during or following ceremonies. Ayahuasca is a commonly used substance for seducing participants looking for healing, whom then return from their retreats needing additional healing from sexual abuse. This guideline reviews some of the key behaviors to look out for and ways to prepare before attending an Ayahuasca retreat to avoid and protect oneself against sexual abuse. 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Show Notes Daniela Daniela has a PhD in Anthropology She was living with Indinenous people in Amazonia She conducted field work in the Amazonian regions of Peru over the last two decades, particularly Ese Eja She is on the board of Directors at Chacruna's Institute for sexual abuse She wrote an article on Ayahuasca and was noticed There was an initiative that made a guideline for doing Ayahuasca but it was held back because there are so many different ways ceremony can be performed and it wasn't accurate Drinking with friends is wise Drinking with experienced women or a couple is another wise move Abuse mainly happens to women but it does happen to men as well There is a higher chance for a person to speak up when they have someone they know and trust there with them Ayahuasca tourism is why sexual abuse is such a problem When someone doesn't know that touch is out of the norm in ceremony, they might accept it because they were never informed that it's wrong They may think that being touched sexually is just a part of the ceremony, and it's not and are both decent resources for reviews on Ayahuasca centers/ceremonial retreats Unless something goes terribly wrong, you will usually get good reviews Places also change over time It's not necessary for healers to touch intimate parts of your body or any area to which you do not consent There are forms of healing where the body is touched, so it's important for the person to make known what is okay and not okay from the start Curaciones, Sopladas and Limpiezas do not require you to remove your clothes If a shaman removes clothing, that may be a warning sign because that is not a part of tradition Look out for warning signs that a healers intentions with you might be sexual When healers start to talk about how they aren't married or that they can give you ‘special treatment’ or that sexual or ‘love magic’ is necessary for healing, that is a warning sign Use common sense and draw the line immediately if anything sexual comes up Sexual Intercourse between healer and patient during ceremonies or directly after the ceremony is not acceptable in Ayahuasca tradition Sexual intercourse with a healer does not give you special power or energy Consider cultural differences and local behavioral norms when interacting with native healers, letting go of ethnocentrism Having an understanding of what is culturally normal is important Consider cultural differences and local clothing customs Protect your personal space, physically and spiritually Each person has a right to know their body and know what feels right and wrong to them No means no Be wary if healers offer psychoactive substances other than those used during ceremonies He is a Shaman, not a Saint! There is a lot more “I am a Shaman” these days, where it used to be more of “I am not a Shaman” Ayahuasca tourism definitely romanticized what being a Shaman really is If violation occurs, get support People should speak up as quickly as they are able to, vocally or physically “There is no need to suffer in silence” - Daniela Beware of what might appear to be consensual sex It has a lot to do with having the same form of communication, trust, and power dynamics Beware of getting romantically involved If you are aware of or witness sexual abuse, speak up Final Thoughts “Individuals have to accept that Ayahuasca has become a business and an industry as much as it is a spiritual practice, and that it includes the trappings of capitalism like exploitation and inequality.” - Daniela Links Email: firstname.lastname@example.org About Daniela Peluso, PhD Daniela Peluso is a cultural anthropologist whose current research focuses on indigenous Amazonian communities. She has worked over the last two decades in Lowland South America, mostly with communities in in the Peruvian and Bolivian Amazon. She is actively involved in various local efforts on issues relating to health, gender, indigenous urbanization and land-rights and works in close collaboration with indigenous and local organizations as reflected in her publications. She also specializes on the anthropology of finance. She received her PhD in 2003 from Columbia University and is a senior lecturer in social anthropology at the University of Kent. She is an Associate Director of the Chacruna Institute for Psychedelic Plant Medicines and on the board of the Society of Lowland South America (SALSA) and People and Plants International (PPI).
info_outline Laura Northrup - Healing Sexual Trauma with Psychedelics and Entheogens 10/01/2019
Laura Northrup - Healing Sexual Trauma with Psychedelics and Entheogens In this episode, Kyle interviews Laura Northrup, Marriage and Relationship Somatic Psychotherapist and creator of the podcast, Inside Eyes. Inside Eyes is an audio series about people using entheogens and psychedelics to heal from sexual trauma. 3 Key Points: If you think sexual abuse is happening, its important to speak up! We live in a world where it's scary to speak up, but at its core, it's really scary to not speak up, and to let these things happen to our fellow humans. Somatic work brings people the autonomy of their body that usually gets taken away when trauma is formed. Dissociation is usually a side effect of trauma, and it's common for a trauma patient to take psychedelics and become re-associative after one experience. But, if a patient was traumatized at a young age and dissociated their whole life, becoming re-associated can be stressful, and integration becomes really important. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Inside Eyes Inside Eyes is an audio series about people using entheogens and psychedelics to heal from sexual trauma. Laura says the name 'Inside eyes' means to look inward Sexual violence happens in every community, as well as in the psychedelic community “Entheogens and psychedelics can wake us up so we can be more empowered and better stewards to the earth. But just because someone uses these substances, it doesn't mean that they will be operating at their highest self.” - Laura Somatics Laura is a psychotherapist in the Bay area who works with survivors of sexual trauma There is a place where people get with their healing that is very difficult to move past There is something on a spiritual level that needs to move to heal someone past their ‘block’ Somatic therapy is a huge part of preparing for and integrating these experiences to heal from trauma Laura says when people talk about their healing, its common to only talk about the part when the entheogen or psychedelic comes in, but maybe not the 6 years of therapy they had before hand She says she really wants to create the balance of including both the therapy and the entheogenic/psychedelic use Laura says she also believes in community based healing There is so much shame in secrecy One theory of somatic therapy, is that there was a physical response that our body may have wanted to make during a moment of sexual trauma, and psychedelics and entheogens brings those movements out in therapy, to be able to heal Somatic work brings people the autonomy of their body that usually gets taken away when trauma is formed Integration This thing can happen when you become extremely dissociated from trauma, and then you use psychedelics or entheogens, and you become associated after just one experience, thats great But if you have trauma from a young age and have been dissociated for your whole life, one psychedelic experience can be very stressful It takes a lot of integration to deal with the difficulties Ketamine Dissociation when you're already suffering from dissociation has a healing effect “Part of healing is going toward wholeness” - Laura There is a lot of variation in what someone considers dissociation “Being embodied is empowering, and being disembodied is different than being dissociated. People can become more embodied after using a dis-associative medicine.” - Laura Laura also covers how people function in their relationships as they heal from their trauma Alcohol is legal, its horrible for your body, it causes so many deaths yearly, yet we don't look at Ayahuasca and MDMA and all these other medicines as a collective culture Bystanders If you think something is going on, it's important to not just be polite and not say anything The politeness is a sickness that we have in America Psychedelics and entheogens can be really good at helping us be activists in healing both ourselves and others We live in a world where it's scary to speak up, but at its core, it's really scary to not speak up, and to let these things happen to our fellow humans Psychedelics and Entheogens get people into a deeper sense of their own truth “We need to be in a globally aware place, we don't need to just be healing ourselves, we need to all be healing.” - Laura We need more connected relationships, if you spend today and have a more connected relationship to yourself or someone else, that is one step closer to healing our world Advice Just because you get connected to a group, does not mean that that group is the group you need to do your healing with Do your research, and get references Laura says she looks at psychedelic and entheogenic substance use from two lenses, she cares about the people taking it, and about the plants themselves She says that some of these plant compounds are becoming endangered so it's important to be mindful of that She also says that some therapists and shamans use bodywork and ‘touch’ so it's also important to be aware of that before ceremony or therapy Touch can be both very healing, but also traumatizing, so it's important to know boundaries Horizons Event Laura will be hosting an event at Horizons on sexual ethics in the psychedelic community, sign up Links Email: email@example.com About Laura Northrup Laura Mae Northrup is the creator and host of the podcast Inside Eyes, a series that explores the use of entheogens and psychedelics to heal sexual trauma. She is a practicing psychotherapist and educator. Her work focuses on defining sexual violence through a spiritual and politicized lens and supporting the spiritual integrity of our collective humanity. She is a champion of living more fully engaged and responsible lives through the healing use of entheogens and psychedelics. She lives and works in Oakland, CA.
info_outline Dr. Ben Sessa - Preliminary Results from MDMA Assisted Therapy for Alcohol Use Disorder 09/24/2019
Dr. Ben Sessa - Preliminary Results from MDMA Assisted Therapy for Alcohol Use Disorder In this episode, Kyle and Joe interview Ben Sessa, a Consultant Psychiatrist. Ben comes on the show to talk about preliminary results from the first ever, MDMA assisted therapy for alcohol use disorder (AUD). 3 Key Points: Ben Sessa plays a role in leading the current MDMA assisted therapy study for alcohol use disorder, and shares preliminary results. In the current stage, out of the first 12 patients, 2 have turned back to drinking, 5 have stayed completely dry and another 5 who have had a drink or two but have not relapsed back to their typical levels of consumption. Most people with a long term substance addiction have a history of trauma. MDMA can help people feel safe, in order to work through and heal trauma. Support the show Leave us a review on Share us with your friends – favorite podcast, etc Join our Facebook group - – Find the others and create community. Show Notes Preliminary Results They had 13 people in the study, and they took data on 4 people The first caveat in these results is that there was no blinding and no placebo in this study There is no way to tell that it was solely the drug that resulted in the effects In terms of tolerability, everyone preferred it to other treatment, there were no bad reactions to the MDMA, there were no negative reactions, it was a total success in terms of tolerability In the current stage, out of the first 12 patients, 2 have turned back to drinking, 5 have stayed completely dry and another 5 who have had a drink or two but have not relapsed back to their typical levels of consumption They did a similar study previous to this one except without the MDMA and they had 11 patients, 9 of them went back to their full level of consumption They chose alcohol use disorder because it's so difficult to treat All patients are recruits from local drug and alcohol services Ben picks them up after they have detoxed, after they have been cured of the physical dependence, but when they have yet to be cured of the psychological dependence They receive 2 dosing days within their 8 week therapy (usually weeks 3 and 6) They do 125mg and then half that size dose 2 hours later, which sustains the high Ben mentions that recruitment is difficult, a lot of people have a drinking problem, but they can't have patients that are depressed, suicidal, pregnant, epileptic, etc. Future for the Study Up until next March, they are continuing to take in new patients for the study to have more data The next step is to have a randomized control study This current study is sponsored by Imperial College of London It's not a MAPS sponsored study, it's the first non MAPS, MDMA study The main papers, with all the data are over a year and a half away from publishing Addiction and Trauma “MDMA addiction is as rare as a hen with teeth.” - Ben “Most people with a long term substance addiction have a history of trauma.” - Ben Trauma and PTSD is highly treatment resistant There are certain drugs that inhibit fear response, such as alcohol, heroin, etc They make you forget the pain but you can't work with them and do therapy with them, with MDMA you can MDMA can help people feel safe, in order to work through and heal trauma “We are all the products of our attachment relationships.” - Ben Breaking Convention This past year was the 5th one There were 1300 attendees from all over the world What's wonderful about Breaking Convention is how multidisciplinary it is There's the guy in the gray suit in one room talking about high level neuroscience and a hippie with dreads in the other room talking about the spirits that live in the Salvia leaves Ben says they work really hard to make that balance work There's a lot of debate and conflict in the psychedelic movement right now, Breaking Convention is very important for creating space for this debate Looking ahead Ben is looking into opening a clinic He mentions academia is not his area of study, he is a clinician, but this research is an excuse to treat patients Links About Ben Sessa Ben Sessa is a consultant psychiatrist in adult addictions, working part-time at Addaction in Weston-Super-Mare and is senior research fellow at Bristol, Cardiff and Imperial College London Universities, where he is currently taking time off clinical medical practice to study towards a PhD in MDMA Psychotherapy. He has specialist training as a child and adolescent psychiatrist and is interested in the developmental trajectory from child maltreatment to adult mental health disorders. Dr Sessa’s joint interests in psychotherapy, pharmacology and trauma have lead him towards researching the subject of drug-assisted psychotherapy using psychedelic adjuncts. He is the author of two books exploring psychedelic medicine; The Psychedelic Renaissance (2012) and To Fathom Hell or Soar Angelic (2015) and is currently conducting research with Imperial College London and Cardiff universities studying the potential role for MDMA-assisted therapy for the treatment of PTSD and alcohol dependence syndrome. Dr Sessa is outspoken on lobbying for change in the current system by which drugs are classified in the UK, believing a more progressive policy of regulation would reduce the harms of recreational drug use. He is a co-founder and director of the UK’s Breaking Convention conference.