Rethinking God with Tacos Podcast

Rethinking God with Tacos is Derek Turner and Jason Clark, two fellas who really like tacos discovering, with friends, that God is like Jesus; that God is love, and His love is better than our greatest thoughts, better than our wildest imaginings, and even better than our best biblical understanding. Just two guys talking with amazing guests, rethinking.

John Blase / Are You Letting God Love You Today? 07/06/2023

John Blase / Are You Letting God Love You Today? “Are You Letting God Love You Today?” Abundant life, the goodness and the GODness of God, loss, suffering, and trust, grieving and grace, and more grace, healing, embracing the heights and depths of the human story, becoming like Jesus, poetry and faith, in this podcast, John Blasé and the guys have a vulnerable conversation about life and trust and the GODness of God. John shares about his friendships with Brennan Manning and Eugene Peterson and the impact they both had on him and our world today. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/27386064

Brittney Serpell / Imperfect Parenting 06/29/2023

Brittney Serpell / Imperfect Parenting The true goal of parenting—safe, loving, heart-to-heart connection with our kids—in this podcast, Brittney Serpell shares about growing mature in our own identity as parents, modeling repenting and humility, finding courage to fight for family, recognizing fear, control, and punishment in our parenting, trading perfectionism for trust and always pursuing heart-to-heart connection as we guide our kids on their own learning journey to becoming healthy, confident, emotionally intelligent, and strong in character. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/27320292

Mark Appleyard / Dignity: The Leading Edge Of Love 06/22/2023

Mark Appleyard / Dignity: The Leading Edge Of Love Redefining success, living loved—from Jesus, laying our lives down for one another, awakening to a union, living from rest, the peace that surpasses understanding, human flourishing, and dignity as the leading edge of love; in this podcast, the guys dive into how dignity seeks to protect the image of God in a person. Dignity treats every human interaction as if it were eternal. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/27231963

Joe Chadburn / Peace Is Inevitable 06/13/2023

Joe Chadburn / Peace Is Inevitable “The greatest manifestations of justice will find their genesis in a grassroots love for all mankind. I have more hope in a trickle-up effect vs the hierarchal top-down pyramid paradigm.” Justice, love, respect, our shared humanity, a discussion around Christian Zionism and the peace of Jerusalem, ETC, and a shift in hearts and minds around war and the inevitability of peace; in this conversation, the guys connected with Joe Chadburn around the finished work of Jesus and an inevitable peace on earth as it is in heaven. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/27131427

Steve McVey / Quantum Life 06/04/2023

Steve McVey / Quantum Life “God didn’t want me because of anything I could do for Him; He wanted me just because He loves me.” Paradigm shifts, intimacy, eternal life, practical applied theology, a sustaining energy of a more subtle kind, the connection of all things, quantum science, quantum faith, the supernatural, miracles, signs and wonders, and union; in this conversation, Steve dives into the scientific universal nature of the love of God. “I am not a biblical universalist… but you might call me a quantum universalist…” “I don’t believe in ultimate reconciliation; I believe in historic reconciliation. I believe everything and everybody has already been reconciled to God, and they just don’t know it. And conversion is a recognition of what's already true of you… “Is the universe a friendly place, is God love — yes… “This is eternal life, that they may know you…” John 17:3 Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! For more on Steve Website: Quantum Life: /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/27039537

Logan Barone / The Mystery In You 05/31/2023

Logan Barone / The Mystery In You “Did Christ accomplish a potentiality, or did Christ accomplish a reality?” Grace beyond theory, the road of union, discovering Christ in us and embedded in humanity, inclusion, the incarnation, experiencing God, and stories about church life and the journey of faith while searching for community; in this conversation with Logan Barone, the guys discuss the message of his book, The Mystery In You. You can learn more about Logan at: Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/27002589

Pete Scheller / Dancing With Wisdom 05/21/2023

Pete Scheller / Dancing With Wisdom “For too long the image and understanding of God, the One Jesus called “Abba”, has been hidden from view or distorted beyond recognition. The unspoken cry of sons and daughters all over the world is ‘Give us our Dad back!’” A renewed mind, western wisdom vs. God’s wisdom, theology in relational terms, and above all, a Father who doesn’t just love us, He really likes us; in this conversation, Pete Scheller shares from his new book, Dancing with Wisdom. The guys dive deep into the Father nature of God and laugh along the way. You can learn more about Pete and his ministry as www.heartmindspirit.net /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26907063

Rusty & Erin Pleune / Creating A Culture of Connection In Marriage 05/10/2023

Rusty & Erin Pleune / Creating A Culture of Connection In Marriage Hope, healing, intimacy, unconditional love, and acceptance; in this conversation, Rusty and Erin Pleune talk about the intentional steps they took to create a culture of connection in their marriage and how they now help couples do the same. They also dove into their journey of discovering community and deeper faith as they lean into the goodness of God. You can learn more about Rusty & Erin & Making A Way at: Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26797137

Schlyce Jimenez / The Path 04/23/2023

Schlyce Jimenez / The Path God to Schlyce: “You never rebelled from me; you rebelled from a version of me that was never me…” Identity, the illusion of separation, trauma triggers and healing, how to hear the voice of God, experiencing the joy and wonder of continual fellowship with God; in this conversation, Schlyce Jimenez shares about her faith journey and her book, The Path. The Path helps readers discover how their life would be different if they could know the Father like Jesus did. You can learn more about Schlyce at "The meaning of life is to find your gift, and the purpose of life is to give it away." - Pablo Picasso Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26623056

Seth Dahl / Spirit Led Families 04/22/2023

Seth Dahl / Spirit Led Families “I tell parents ‘You become the theology your kids believe” Engaging our kid's imaginations, learning to recognize God's voice, and encountering His love, life, joy, and friendship; in this conversation, Seth Dahl shares stories of transformation and gives insight into Spirit-led parenting. The guys talk about a good God and the journey into trust, intimacy, and union in the context of parenting. Learn more about Seth at Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26620815

Cherith Fee Nordling / A Permanently Human Gospel 04/09/2023

Cherith Fee Nordling / A Permanently Human Gospel “The reason you can't take your own human life seriously is because you’ve never taken my (Christ's) life seriously.” The incarnation, Jesus as fully human, Jesus and His divinity, grace, cruciform love, leaving Gnosticism, resurrection fearlessness, freedom, and salvation as a human story; in this conversation, Cherith shares a beautiful gospel in which we are discovering how to enter into the life of Jesus! Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26486619

Jonathan Foster / Theology Of Consent 04/05/2023

Jonathan Foster / Theology Of Consent "Consent is the depth of love..." Jonathan Foster shares about his book, Theology of Consent, where he blends René Girard’s scapegoating theory with open and relational theology. The guys talk about anthropology, mimetic theory, and the nature of love. This is a conversation for those already deep in the forest of theopoetics, life, love, the church, and theology. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26448429

Allen Arnold / The Eden Option 03/25/2023

Allen Arnold / The Eden Option “The world is accelerating in the wrong direction. It feels like all we’re doing is trying to fix what's broken. And it isn’t working. We’re exhausted, overwhelmed, and losing heart. Where is God in all this? Well, he’s living a different story. A story he’s inviting us into.” That’s the back cover introduction to Allen's new book, The Eden Option. In this conversation, the guys dive in and explore a homeward journey, not to the Eden of the past, but a new Eden discovered in Christ. Union, rest, community, creativity, miracles, and hope, in this podcast Allen shares his journey into trust and maturing faith. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26339643

Eden Jersak / A Love That Includes Everyone 03/23/2023

Eden Jersak / A Love That Includes Everyone “My mom exemplified this (The Tree of Life) further every time she invited the “black sheep” of the family to our family Christmas events. That was confusing to me as a child because in my mind, and in our culture, they were most certainly “Out,” yet that never deterred my mom from inviting them to our table.” Eden Jersak. In this podcast, Pastor Eden shares about our heavenly Father's grace, love, kindness, and all-inclusive love. The cross, the journey of inclusion, reconciliation, pastoring, and valuing humanity as Jesus does, this conversation is between two relational human beings endeavoring to love well. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26080740

Tommy Miller / Deathless 03/13/2023

Tommy Miller / Deathless Union, inclusion, sin, grace, sonship, the covenants, a very high view of Jesus and humanity, and biblical immortality, Tommy Miller shares about his new book, Deathless. Tommy is passionate about seeing the local Church equip sons to look like their Father and create atmospheres that look like heaven, and it’s evident in this revelatory conversation. "Deathless" is a thought-provoking exploration of the concept of biblical immortality, and the guys have a brilliant conversation unpacking this thought. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26219406

Bishop Jamie Englehart / Myths & Mistranslations 03/07/2023

Bishop Jamie Englehart / Myths & Mistranslations Lucifer and the devil, God, and control, union vs. separation, awakening to Light, Life, and Love, and approaching scripture through sonship; in this conversation, Bishop Jamie Englehart breaks down myths for truth and sheds light on many of our religious misconceptions that have been built upon separation. Jamie’s understanding of the Kingdom of God, the New Covenant, and the heart of the Father is evident in every word he speaks. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26147580

Thomas Jay Oord & Keith Giles / Deconstructing Hell 02/22/2023

Thomas Jay Oord & Keith Giles / Deconstructing Hell Perhaps no modern church dogma has been more destructive to the mission of Jesus, created more atheists, or generated more religious trauma than that of eternal conscious torment (ECT). In this podcast, the guys talk with Thomas Jay Oord and Keith Giles about their collaboration on Chad Bahl’s book, Deconstructing Hell. The book brings together experts in their fields to take the reader on a historical, philosophical, and theological journey to deconstruct this harmful doctrine, and the podcast highlights Oord and Gile's contribution. The guys dive into the "logic of love" and offer compelling pathways to reconstruct a biblical perspective on the nature of God and our understanding of hell. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/26011827

The Problem with Retribution with Jason Clark 02/17/2023

The Problem with Retribution with Jason Clark This podcast announces and features Jason’s new book, Leaving and Finding Jesus, in audio format. Retribution is the title of chapter seven and is presented in its entirety. In this chapter and podcast, Jason juxtaposes retribution with reconciliation and recognizes that a punishment lens on the nature of God is one of the reasons the church is navigating broken trust. It’s also why we currently find ourselves in a Deconstruction Movement. God is as Jesus revealed Him, and on a cross Jesus forgave. And on a cross, God, in Christ, reconciled the world to Himself. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/25967175

Shawn Harnish / Unconditional Love 02/16/2023

Shawn Harnish / Unconditional Love Pastoring a community, faith and living in mystery, putting unconditional love before understanding, kindness that leads to repentance, the nature of trust, punishment, hell, Bible College, the Age of Certainty, and timeless reconciling love - in this conversation, Shawn Harnish shares about his 25-plus years of pastoring in one area and the transforming discovery of the finished work of the cross. Add to that, 25-plus years of friendship with Jason and a mutual love of the Buffalo Bills, and you got a profound and fun conversation - Go Bills! Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/25950159

Robin Smit / It Is Finished 01/30/2023

Robin Smit / It Is Finished “…You are absolutely perfect in the Father's eyes! You can't become more perfect than you already are. His heart is captivated by you!” Grace, resurrection, life, the finished work of the cross, and the impact on sin, death, and sickness, this conversation is an invitation to realize and awaken to the fact that we are co-seated with Christ. Robin speaks to the love of our Father, His affection – “He has always loved us we take His breath away!” We are loved in the same way our Father loved Jesus! This conversation also included Robin's passion for writing and her new publishing venture, The Writers Society Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/25774971

Felicia Murrell / Empathy; The Treasure of the Incarnation 01/17/2023

Felicia Murrell / Empathy; The Treasure of the Incarnation “The Spirit said to me, ‘I want you to hand to me everything that you believe to be true about God and let me hand back to you everything that is true.’” Racism, deconstruction, shame, guilt, certainty, empathy, infinite mercy, grace, healing, and other-centered, self-giving love, in this amazing conversation, Felecia and Jason visit fear and prejudice while leaning into the AND of God's always present, empathetic, reconciling love. We don’t get to healing without Truth…(we) don’t get to healing in denial – so (we) have to own both the wound and (our) responsibility and completeness….” Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/25629888

The Polar Express with Jason Clark 12/21/2022

The Polar Express with Jason Clark “It’s Christmas Eve, and instead of dreaming of the best day of the year, the boy is in his bedroom agonizing over the universal question: Does God…sorry, I mean Santa Claus, really exist?” In this final podcast of 2022 and season three, Jason shares a story from his first book about the Polar Express, and faith. Whether you're tired or wide awake, full or empty, lost or found, sick or whole, you are loved by Triune God who walks beside you, will never leave you, and invites you to awaken to His affection and love. “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace, and goodwill toward men!” Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/25399239

Sheila & Keith Gregoire / The Good Guys & Girls Guide to Great Sex 12/15/2022

Sheila & Keith Gregoire / The Good Guys & Girls Guide to Great Sex “Biblically, sex is something that is mutual, intimate, and pleasurable for both…But in the church, we have made sex into a male entitlement, and a female obligation. And it’s really hurt us.” Sheila Gregoire. In this conversation, the guys talked with Sheila and Keith about intimacy, sex, and God’s design for our marriages. Based on groundbreaking surveys of more than twenty-five thousand people, the Gregoires shared how our theology impacts our intimacy, the nature of our sex drives, porn addiction, and freedom, all for the purpose of helping husbands and wives discover intimacy and experience great sex! This is both an insightful and fun conversation. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/25332306

Jason Grimsley / Cross Stitched 11/30/2022

Jason Grimsley / Cross Stitched “Whether I’m high or low, in heaven or hell, nothing can ever separate me from God’s love.” Jason dives into a memoir he helped his friend, baseball legend, Jason Grimsley, write. They guys talk about Jason’s wild and unbelievable life. This conversation is part storytelling, part revelation, and all testimony of the love of God. Jason shares about several hardships he’s faced, including a botched suicide attempt and the near destruction of his marriage. The guys shared insights and wisdom for the highs and lows of life. And all along the way, they highlighted the message of the book. Cross Stitched displays the very real and present love of God and the abundant life He offers us when we surrender to Him. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/25181613

An Emmaus Road Deconstruction with Matthew Hester 11/23/2022

An Emmaus Road Deconstruction with Matthew Hester The Kingdom within, relational intimacy, a triune God reconciling the world to Himself, faith like Abraham, hermeneutics, and an Emmaus Road Deconstruction, in this podcast, Jason talks with his friend Matthew Hester about his new book, Leaving and Finding Jesus. “Repenting is a de and reconstruction all in one,” and in this conversation, the fellas talk about an Emmaus Road walk with Jesus where He gently and definitively reveals the Cornerstone of faith, God in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself. This was recorded for Matthews; The Kingdom Is For Everyone PODCAST. You can find more episodes from Matthew at: Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/25107873

Brian Zahnd / When Everything's On Fire 11/12/2022

Brian Zahnd / When Everything's On Fire “I felt like the Jesus I knew deserved a better Christianity than the Christianity I knew.” In this podcast, Zahnd shares about the Christian faith in alignment with Jesus and the journey he’s taken in discovering this good news! De- and reconstruction, a non-violent, non-retributive God who is reconciling the world to Himself, hermeneutics, hell, and the wonder of church deep and wide, in this conversation, the guys discuss a much richer, wider faith. The guys dive into Brian’s book, "When Everything’s on Fire,” a conversation that invites us to move beyond the crisis of faith toward the journey of reconstruction. QUOTES “I was having a crisis of faith but not regarding Christ… I felt like the Jesus I knew deserved a better Christianity than the Christianity I knew.” “Christians should never say that Christianity is the absolute truth, they should say Jesus is the Truth.” “Jesus is the only perfect theology.” “The Bible by itself cannot sustain the pressure that is put upon it… Often, in any fundamentalist form of Protestantism, the bible become Christianity… the Bible by itself cannot sustain the pressure that is put upon it…” “What the Bible does perfectly, and inerrantly, is point us to Jesus.” “All scripture finds its fulfillment in Christ.” Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/24989043

There Is No "Us or Them" at the Cross with Jason Clark 09/15/2022

There Is No "Us or Them" at the Cross with Jason Clark This podcast highlights Jason’s book, Leaving and finding Jesus, where he writes about his deconstructing faith journey. The book is Jason’s Emmaus Road discovery of a love that is reconciling all creation; a journey where he’s awakening to a burning heart while leaving every Jesus who won’t lay His life down for His friends. This podcast features a message Jason gave at an icuTalks where he addresses trauma within the church. He confronts the myth of separation with the truth that absolutely nothing, not life or death, powers or authorities, not present or future, not our understandings, beliefs, systems, or actions, nothing separates us from the reconciling love of God. To Pre-Purchase, Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/24383253

5Q - The Fivefold with Brandon Kelly 09/01/2022

5Q - The Fivefold with Brandon Kelly Derek and Jason dive into the fivefold (APEST) typology of ministry as articulated in Ephesians 4:1-1 with Brandon Kelly, the co-director at 5Qcollective. APEST stands for the Apostolic, Prophetic, Evangelistic, Shepherding, and Teaching intelligence that Jesus gifted to his body. The guys discussed the fivefold in connection with the nature of God as non-hierarchal and inclusive, laced throughout creation and culture, reconstituted and perfectly exemplified in the life and ministry of Jesus, embedded into the very foundations of the Church, and subsequently expressed through the lives of the countless saints that make it up. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/24235950

Wm Paul Young / Eternal Life, The Ever Present Now 08/17/2022

Wm Paul Young / Eternal Life, The Ever Present Now “Eternal life is not on a timeline, it is the ever-present now" Wm Paul Young, author of The Shack, talks with Lloyd and Jason Clark about eternal life, an authentic friendship with our Father where we are free to live in the ever-present now. Union, peace, grace, expectancy, trust, facing our fear, the incarnation, death, writing for the one, and stories about Pauls's friends on death row and the Shack movie, this is an authentic and vulnerable conversation. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! Podcast intro and outro music by /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/24079593

Winn Collier / We Belong To One Another 07/30/2022

Winn Collier / We Belong To One Another “The natural habitat is to be enveloped in the love of God.” The thread through all Winn Collier's work is delight in the God who exists as the blazing center of everything that is good, beautiful, and true; and you feel that in this conversation. In this podcast, Winn and Jason talk about God's hope and heart for all creation to know we belong to one another. The guys dive into wholeness, cruciform love, and what it means to be fully human. Then Winn talks about his friendship with Eugene Peterson, writer of The Message Translation. Winn shares about the biography he recently released on Eugene's incredible life, A Burning In My Bones, and on their shared heart for pastors and the church! To learn more or to support this podcast go to Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! /episode/index/show/rethinkinggodwithtacos/id/23908218

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