Scouting The Refs Podcast
Scouting The Refs follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news updates, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls.
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Goaltender Exploration!
09/23/2023
Goaltender Exploration!
The NHL goes down under with two teams - and four officials - headed to Australia. Todd and Josh break down player suggestions for rule changes from ESPN and The Athletic, including extended power plays, removing the red line, allowing kicks and hand passes, overtime tweaks, goalie gear, high-stick goals, power-play killing on a shorthanded goal, and more. Also, the NHL addresses referees' post-game comments -- or the lack thereof. Visit and follow and on Twitter/X, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS!
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New Refs, New Rules
09/15/2023
New Refs, New Rules
With less than a month until the puck drops on the 2023-24 NHL season, Todd and Josh discuss the new refs joining the league and the new rules they'll be tasked to enforce. Also, three promotions, two departures, and the first suspension of the new season comes from the OHL. Hockey Canada Officiating Manager Dan Hanoomansingh also joins the show to talk about the Officiating Coaching Program, which looks to help develop those overseeing officials across Canada. /X (@DHanoomansingh) Visit and follow and on Twitter/X, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS!
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Preseason Countdowns & Post-Game Interviews
09/09/2023
Preseason Countdowns & Post-Game Interviews
O'Rourke crosses the finish line on his Route 66 ride, the QMJHL kicks off the preseason under the ban on fighting, NHL Referee Ian Walsh retires, possible new hires to the NHL staff, checking up on coach's challenges, the impact of 'injuries' on the rule book... and should NHL refs do post-game interviews? Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Retired NHL Linesman Brad Lazarowich Talks BCHL
08/25/2023
Retired NHL Linesman Brad Lazarowich Talks BCHL
Retired NHL linesman Brad Lazarowich joins Todd and Josh as we count down the days to the start of the NHL season! After 30 years in the NHL, 1,971 regular season games, 204 playoff games, and 3 trips to the Stanley Cup Final, Laz has taken over the reins as the Vice President of Hockey Operations for the British Columbia Hockey League (BCHL), as well as the league's head of Player Safety. Brad talks about the benefits of his dual role, the upcoming BCHL season, his recent trip to the NHL Officiating Exposure Combine, and the challenges of running an independent league that operates outside of Hockey Canada. Take a listen before the BCHL Exhibition Games get under way September 3, with the season starting on September 22. For more on the BCHL, visit bchl.ca. Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Number Nine Hits Route 66, NHL Goes to Europe
07/21/2023
Number Nine Hits Route 66, NHL Goes to Europe
It's Number 9 on Route 66 as NHL Referee Dan O'Rourke bikes for blindness, NHL Officiating Managers take a European Vacation for Summer Exposure Combine, officials forced to choose in BCHL vs. BC Hockey battle, Civian sticks up for the stripes, and reconsidering some rulebook rewrites - including a change to line changes. Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Summer School with NHL's Jay Sharrers
07/06/2023
Summer School with NHL's Jay Sharrers
School's out for summer? Not for retired NHL referee Jay Sharrers! The former NHL referee and linesman -- with over 1600 regular season games, 204 playoff matches, and seven trips to the Stanley Cup Final -- joins us to talk about life off the ice, working as an Officiating Manager in the National Hockey League, memorable coaching interactions, and the upcoming second annual Jay Sharrers Officiating School which takes place this August. The Jay Sharrers Officiating School is a 3-day ice hockey officiating camp featuring classroom curriculum, on-ice instructions, and live-game evaluations. The school is open to grassroots officials (ages 14+) in the host state, neighboring states, and from other parts of North America. All proceeds to benefit a scholarship fund for school participants as part of the Bill McKenna Scholarship Foundation, . For more information and to register, visit: or check out @sharrers_school on Twitter. Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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No Hall of Famers, No Golden Whistle
06/23/2023
No Hall of Famers, No Golden Whistle
It took overtime of Game 7 in the American Hockey League... but the North American professional hockey season has finally come to a close! The trophies have been handed out, and the Hall of Famers inducted - without a new inductee in stripes. Looking at this year's class, the officials left out, and who should be in there. Also another year without an award for the league's top official; who's your Chadwick 'Big Whistle' Award nominee? More on these topics, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Continuous Play vs. Intent to Blow
06/16/2023
Continuous Play vs. Intent to Blow
It's over... well, almost. While the NHL has handed out the Stanley Cup, the AHL's Calder Cup Final is still going! Todd and Josh break down a pair of Cup Final controversies, including Pietrangelo leaving the penalty box, along with 'continuous play' vs. 'intent to blow' on the Golden Knights' Game 5 goal after the whistle. AHL Bears' Nelson speaks with the supervisors, the QMJHL cracks down on fighting, Sweden adds hitting to women's hockey, and a possible rule change on icing that flips the trapezoid! More on these topics, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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What a Knob!
06/09/2023
What a Knob!
Breaking down the opening games of the 2023 Stanley Cup Final from head to... knob. Vegas Golden Knights captain Mark Stone's stick job, a high-stick challenge, Barbashev's reverse hit on Gudas, down goes Eichel, and lots of misconduct by Florida Panthers forward Matthew Tkachuk. More on these topics, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Making the Cut for the Stanley Cup Final
05/31/2023
Making the Cut for the Stanley Cup Final
Take a moment to catch your breath before the Stanley Cup Final, with referee Kelly Sutherland mic'd up, the referees and linesmen working the Cup Final, the first female on-ice official enters the IIHF Hall of Fame, ECHL refs have an easy night, and the CHL looks at three major rule changes for the 2023-24 season -- all around penalties and power plays! More on these topics, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS! Episode Transcript #166 Scouting the Refs is an unscripted audio podcast, designed to be heard. It’s a whole lot more interesting to listen to the audio, but we’re happy to provide a transcription below. This transcript has been generated using a combination of speech recognition software and human transcribers, and may contain textual or typographical errors. Full transcript: Todd: So I know we’re all excited about the Stanley Cup final beginning and finally getting underway, Florida Panthers and the Vegas Golden Knights, but you know Josh? I’m thinking I want to start planning now. What we’re going to be doing in the next few weeks when there’s no games to watch, because no matter how much I prepare mentally at this point in time in the season, I always suffer from withdrawals after the Cup final is completed and the trophy is handed out. Josh: It’s such a challenge, right? We go from the first round where you’ve got multiple games every night and just there’s something going on everywhere at every hour. And the NHL even figured out scheduling this year, so with the games spread out, we could watch a lot of the action. And then it dwindles down a little bit more and now we’ve had this break of days without hockey, at least at the NHL level, and now the most we’ll have is a game every other night. It’s starting to feel real, Todd. It’s starting to slip away a little bit. The hockey season is leaving us. Todd: It is and that’s the hard part. I know the theory is that you start big and that it seems as though like you’re kind of being weaned off the drug but it doesn’t really work that way. You still suffer from the the withdrawals when it’s gone. Josh: And, you know, the warm temps outside don’t exactly help you. The weather’s warm. You want to be outdoors doing things, especially with these games on the weekend. You’re out and about it’s it’s hot outside. You’ve got shorts and a t-shirt on, and then you come back in to watch some ice hockey. Yeah, I I love the length of the season. I love that we have all these games, but when you start to get into June, especially the middle of June, it it feels like maybe we’ve gone too far. Todd: You know, we’ll, we’ll get through it. We always do. And there will be the anticipation before long of the new season. This is the Scouting the Refs Podcast. Please make sure you follow us on the social channels. Josh, of course can be found @scoutingtherefs on Twitter and Instagram, you’ll get me at @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram as well. Coming up on this week’s episode: Kelly Sutherland mic’d up, who made the cut, a Hall of Fame career, and new rules the NHL should be considering. I am very excited to discuss this topic, Josh. Josh: New rules are always interesting, sometimes they have unintended consequences, so you never know how it will play out, but it will be interesting to see. Todd: Okay, so let’s get to some of the other stuff before we talk about the potential for for new rules. Four-star review for the video of the Western Conference Series game One. You hear from players, you hear from coaches, but most importantly you hear referee Kelly Sutherland at work out on the ice. We’ve seen these videos pop up semi regularly. They provide great insight into what is happening on the ice during the games, and conveniently enough, the bad words are taken out for you. That’s why it takes a couple of days to get them out. So Kelly Sutherland, as you’ve perhaps seen before in some of these videos, is one of the most vocal referees out on the ice. He’s explaining to players what he sees after a play. He’s telling goaltenders that he’s watching for the goalie interference. He’s explaining to coaches what is happening out on this. It’s it’s as if he is a coach out on the ice at times. I think it’s a great job that he does. Josh: Absolutely. It’s one of the reasons that when they’ve had the player polls in the past that Sutherland scores so highly as one of the league’s top officials. It’s not only about positioning and judgment and comportment and all of the things that go in from an officiating standpoint. But from the players point of view, here’s a guy who’s actually helping you understand where the line is, and he’s giving you advance notice before he’s calling the penalty. And as a player, that’s what you wanna have. You want to know where you stand and and when you’re getting too far over the line. And that’s what Sutherland does. I think one of his greatest strengths is the communication side of thing of warning guys and when they’re getting too close and putting pressure in the crease. Or when it’s a potential interference call and things he’s seeing out there, so he tries to set that up front and then stick with that standard the whole game. And it’s great when you have the mic’d up videos, because then we get to hear some of that dynamic and you see what goes into it before a penalty’s actually called. Because he might have been chatting about it for the whole first period, halfway through the second period and a guy keeps at it and now all of a sudden he’s blowing the whistle because he’s warned him and he’s had that conversation and it’s one of his strengths. And it’s really interesting to hear the types of things that go on. But you’re right, Todd, it’s almost like he’s the second coach out there advising these guys. So he’s not just enforcing the rules, but he’s he’s warning them he’s giving them a heads up. He’s reminding them of where the line is and when they’ve gone to far, that’s when he has to send them off to the box. Todd: I I love it too. It’s not just after the play that he’s explaining calls, but as you mentioned, when two players are tied up, he’s telling one like, okay, let him go. You gotta let him go now otherwise. You get the interference call and it’s just like I don’t want to penalize you, but I’m going to have to pretty soon. Josh: Yeah. And it’s great in this video, you can hear a nice exchange he has with Keegan Kolesar about a hit that happened and there was a cross checking why he didn’t call it and Kolesar’s great, super polite there. Just thanking him for it. ‘I appreciate it’ is what he says afterwards. So you might not always agree with it, but just giving that explanation and. Letting the guy understand why the call was or wasn’t made in a certain situation is immensely helpful. But I don’t know if you noticed, Todd, in the clip one of the coaches is on there saying, ‘Nice chat, Kelly.’ We don’t actually get the content of that conversation. So I don’t know if it was something they wanted to keep quiet, or if there were just too many four letter words to include it. Todd: Yeah, that that sometimes the editing can be a little bit tricky on those. Again, I think it provides great insight and good job, I believe for putting those out even if it’s 3-4 days after because of all the all the approval that has to go through. So with this video and hearing Kelly Sutherland at work, it is not surprising that he was one of the referees named to work in the Stanley Cup. Final he’ll be joined by Steve Kozari, Wes McCauley – no surprise there, Dan O’Rourke, and Chris Rooney. The linesmen are Steve Barton, Scott Cherrey, Brad Kovachik, Kiel Murchison, and Jonny Murray. Congratulations to all for reaching the final. There’s no real surprises with any of these names, is there? Josh: No, everybody’s been here before, so I can’t say that any of them come as a total shock. You’ve got tons of veteran experience there, McCauley, Sutherland both working their 10th Stanley Cup Final, Rooney with six. Even Johnny Murray, with six. So everybody’s been here plenty of times. They all know what it’s like, what the pressure entails, what the big games mean. It was not a shock. I was hoping that some of the younger guys might have made it. We saw Jean Hebert make the Cup Final last year, thought he might have a shot at returning this year, but he and Trevor Hanson, looking to make his Cup Final debut, both left off of the rosters. I thought either one of them could have made it, but who do you cut in their place? This is such a a challenge here. Figuring it out. So you think of – from an NHL standpoint – everything that goes into it and it’s your full season, it’s your mid season grade, it’s your season end evaluation and then it’s what you’ve done each round in the playoffs. So all of that leading up to it and I I think you know, we see and expect who’s going to make it. And I I’d say these are like you said, Todd, no surprises here on these crews. Todd: Now, as you explained nicely in a piece on the scoutingtherefs.com website, the final works a little bit differently in that there’s not specifically a backup referee at each event and the whole procedure of pairing guys together works a little bit differently as well. Josh: It’s interesting to see because all season long we get this rotation of refs. Everybody works the next game with a different partner, typically because of travel, maybe they’ll have a back-to-back together, but you’re typically working each game with an entirely different crew. Through the first few rounds of the playoffs, that changes a bit because we do see ref pairings and linesman pairings, and often we see that quartet move together through some games. We definitely saw in the conference final where Kelly Sutherland’s crew, the same four of them, worked together each game. Once you get to the Stanley Cup Final, they throw everybody back in the hat and basically draw numbers again. So you’ve got an odd number of referees, which means we’re no longer having that pairing; we’re having a rotation where the first two guys will work game one, the second two guys will work game two and then they’ll start to mix it up after that because of the odd number. So your partner being a standard guy and and maybe at some of them that you’ve worked together the entire postseason up until now, now you’re gonna get a new partner every night. So back to how the regular season works with the rotation. Obviously you’re hoping these are your top officials. These are the best of the best. These guys have been consistent throughout the postseason, so it shouldn’t matter, but it definitely shakes things up a little bit, so it’ll be interesting to see how those tendencies translate when we see a guy where maybe two guys have worked together the entire postseason and now they get to work with different partners in the Stanley Cup Final. Todd: One other note on the referees who are and are not working the Cup Final, and you and I were exchanging messages during this game. But for those that say there is no accountability for officials, yes, there is, because there was one particular game with the Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes, where not one, but and those two linesmen are not working in the Stanley Cup Final. Now, they were so close. It was microscopic that they were offside plays, but this is the price that they’re paying. Josh: Yeah, and we don’t know. For sure if that happened to be the reason or the straw that broke the camel’s back, or if there are other contributing factors here in making that decision. But, certainly, it’s one of those things that you look at from an officiating management standpoint when you have guys that are frequently involved in coaches challenge or you have referees that maybe are calling major penalties, that they’re downgrading after review, maybe it makes you question their judgment a little bit. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong and and like you said, these are really close plays, so I’m not even going to point fingers at the officials or or find fault in how it worked out, but certainly the optics of having a call that had to be overturned on such a public stage and in such a critical juncture in a key moment for a goal to be scored or not, you can’t help but think that that did put the spotlight on them a little bit more and may have influenced Stephen Walkom’s decision. Todd: A couple of non-NHL notes that we should mention as well. Congratulations to Sandra Dombrowski, who now goes by Sandra Frye. She has become the first female on ice official inducted into the IIHF Hall of Fame. Congratulations Sandra on a great international hockey career. Josh: Yeah. Very nice to see that honor there. The class of 2023 was inducted. We have lots of players from all over the place and another official making it in. And there’s very few in the IIHF Hall of Fame. Only eight now, with Dombrowski’s edition and mostly European, we don’t have an American or even a Canadian official that are yet in the IIHF Hall of Fame, so there’s there’s still boundaries to hit there, but nice to see Dombrowski get in. She broke plenty of boundaries coming in and making her way up. Even as a hockey player, when she was younger, she couldn’t find a team to play with as a woman, so she founded her own and it went from there and she was involved in a lot of firsts. The first unofficial women’s game at the World Championship and then the first woman referee of a Women’s World gold medal game. So nice to see her recognized for all the contributions to hockey, both as a player as an official and then coming off the ice, working as a supervisor and then part of the IIHF officiating committee. So she’s given a lot to hockey and nice to see them reciprocate and and give the honor of putting her into the IIHF Hall of Fame. Todd: So the first North American referee that could go in potentially maybe a few years down the road, you know if that was Wes McCauley, I got to think that the acceptance speech is going to be out of this world because they they let them do that at the presentation, don’t they? Josh: They do and they did, and Dombrowski gave a great speech. It was wonderful to hear from her and you could tell how much this meant to her; how much hockey means to her. So it was a great honor, but I just picture Wes being most comfortable with just want to give that speech with the mic on, at center ice in full uniform. Todd: Five for fighting! Josh: We’ve got an induction! Todd: Perfect. Love it. Okay, also non-NHL-related. Congratulations to the Florida Everblades for their win over the Newfoundland Growlers. They win the Eastern Conference final in the ECHL. They’ll move on to play Idaho in the final. That series also opens up on Saturday, June the 3rd. Congrats to the Blades who are going for back-to-back titles. It is the second time these two teams have met. In 2004, it was the Idaho Steelheads that prevailed . It was an interesting game summary in this one. It was a double overtime game as I mentioned, but barely a whistle blown for a penalty. Josh: Yeah, quiet one for the officials, which is — It’s funny, we joked last week on the podcast about how things tighten up and saying that when you get into game six or game seven, we see fewer and fewer penalties and things really tighten up and I think it’s on both sides, right? I think it’s on the officials. Maybe I don’t wanna say pocketing the whistles, cause that becomes a a negative, but maybe calling that standard tightly and making sure everybody knows where it is. But we also see it on the players trying to be on their best behavior because they don’t want to be the person sitting in the box that’s responsible for a power play goal against, especially when goals are so critical. But this one, Todd, referee Sam Heideman and Alex Normandin called a clean game effectively because they didn’t hand out any power plays. They had some penalties. We had a holding minor that was accompanied by a diving penalty, so that washes out; we have no man advantage there. Only one other penalty in the game. And you can thank the linesman for it because it was a bench minor for too many men on the ice. Todd: Now those of us that are familiar with the ECHL and have, you know, seen a few games, is this a first? Josh: It’s a relatively well behaved game for these guys. Nice to see how well-mannered both clubs were. I got to watch part of the game didn’t see the whole thing, but you know it’s one of those things where you don’t want to be the guy who messes it up. You’re trying to keep it clean. You don’t wanna get whistled for anything. You’re kind of playing a little more careful, a little, a little safe there, especially in a game that spent a lot of the time tied. I mean from the second period on, the whole third period, the whole first over time, you’ve got a tie game there. So you definitely don’t want to be the guy who puts your team shorthanded. Todd: I’ll just end by saying go Blades. That’s my hometown team. Okay, now we talked about . They are taking place in the Champions League in Europe and I think that there’s some some of these – in fact, I like all of them – that could and should be considered by the National Hockey League. Okay, so let’s go through them one at a time. First, being minor penalties dealt with the same as a major penalty in that a team that has caused a minor penalty will remain shorthanded, even if the opposing team scores a goal, so you’re serving the full two. Josh: Yeah, not a radical change here. This is one of those ‘everything old is new again’ kind of moments because this is how it was in the National Hockey League up until 1956. You sat for the whole 2 minutes; you served your time. If they scored once, twice, three times, however many they score in that 2 minutes, you’re staying in the box. So I think the Champions League is looking to boost goal scoring here and they also say that they want to make sure punishments are consistent. So yeah, you did the crime you will do the time, no matter how many goals get scored during your sentence. Todd: I don’t think that’s an unreasonable thing. I know that we had an exceptional power play this year with the Edmonton Oilers, but it still was, what? Just over 30%. So it’s unlikely that you’re going to score two or three or four goals, but maybe that helps as a deterrent. Josh: It could because those penalties become a bit more valuable. And right now you’re looking at it as you’re either short handed for two minutes or you’ve given up a goal and then you’re back to even strength. Now you’re definitely going to be shorthanded for the whole 2 minutes, and you aren’t capped at just giving up one shorthanded goal, so it does put a little premium on those penalties, which hopefully doesn’t put more pressure on the refs when it comes to not wanting to decide the game or factor into the game. You need to call it the same way, it’s just that the each penalty call becomes a bit more impactful, potentially. Todd: Okay, also with a delayed penalty, a minor penalty will be served even if a goal is scored while a delayed penalty...
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Five for Stomping, Two for Falling Down
05/26/2023
Five for Stomping, Two for Falling Down
Stars' Benn suspended two games for cross-checking, Rank hits the links, five for stomping at the World Championship, double-dipping on Dallas, cup checking Tkachuk, a missed call on Ghost, and possible goaltender interference on the Panthers' series-winner vs. Carolina, and more! More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Prognosticating Icing
05/20/2023
Prognosticating Icing
This Week, Todd and Josh discuss refereeing the sixth longest NHL game of all time, review the Panthers' OT winner overturned for goaltender interference, explain the no call after a high stick bloodies Ekholm, check out a penalty box altercation in the OHL with a happy ending, and attempt to explain hybrid icing. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Koharski Returns: Nurse, Pietrangelo, and Improving Officiating
05/12/2023
Koharski Returns: Nurse, Pietrangelo, and Improving Officiating
Retired NHL referee Don Koharski returns! Koho, currently a rules analyst on TNT's NHL broadcasts, breaks down the Pietrangelo slash and the Nurse instigator. He also share some ideas on improving officiating, what the playoffs are like for refs, standby officials, potential rule changes, the evolution of hockey officiating, and how refs can get out of the way on the ice! More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Bad Calls... or Bad Rules?
05/05/2023
Bad Calls... or Bad Rules?
Paul Maurice gets on a first-name basis with the refs, Sam Bennett vs. a pair of Leafs in Bunting and Knies; getting away with some unusual missed calls; a pair of big, questionable hits in Eberle on Cogliano and Trouba on Meier; The Athletic's Sean McIndoe dives deep into the rulebook, and NHL agent Allan Walsh on officiating. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Phantom Penalties and the High Stick That Wasn't
04/28/2023
Phantom Penalties and the High Stick That Wasn't
Getting officials and Player Safety on the same page, STR on ESPN, the high-stick that wasn't at Oilers/Kings, Makar's interference suspension, Foligno takes a knee... and some phantom penalties, Tkachuk and Lafferty fined for cross-checks, Maroon's boarding non-call, and more. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Dave Jackson Returns to Talk NHL Playoffs
04/22/2023
Dave Jackson Returns to Talk NHL Playoffs
Retired NHL referee Dave Jackson - currently a rules analyst with ESPN - joins Todd and Josh to talk about the start of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, including how officials are selected and notified, playoff ref pairings, the role of series supervisors, and big plays of the week: Dumba's hit on Pavelski, Bunting on Cernak, goaltender interference, and more! Follow Dave at @ESPNRefNHL. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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What Can You Get For $5000?
04/16/2023
What Can You Get For $5000?
$5,000 can buy you a lot of things... like 50 seconds worth of ice time for Connor McDavid. For Winnipeg's Neal Pionk, it was the cost to deliver an illegal crosscheck. Anaheim's Strome spent that much for a not-so-dangerous water bottle toss. Also on this week's show, Todd and Josh break down a proposal from Carolina Hurricanes head coach Rod Brind'Amour's to overhaul officiating. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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NAHL's Next Shift with Keith Kaval and Kendall Hanley
04/14/2023
NAHL's Next Shift with Keith Kaval and Kendall Hanley
Join us for a bonus episode this week where we sit down with the North American Hockey League's Director of Officiating Keith Kaval and Manager of Officiating Kendall Hanley to discuss the NAHL's Next Shift Initiative. The Next Shift initiative is a collaborative effort between the North American Hockey League (NAHL) and the USA Hockey Officiating Program to recruit, develop, and advance brand new on-ice officials. The initiative is being implemented to target former hockey players who have a passion for the game and incentivize them to take their next shift as an on-ice official. To learn more, . Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Accidentally On Purpose
04/07/2023
Accidentally On Purpose
Referee Marc Joannette hangs 'em up, OHL's Officiating Combine, McLeod boards Dumoulin with no call, Sanderson wrongfully convicted of the dreaded 'puck-over-glass', a possible missed Coach's Challenge on a potential missed stoppage -- or not at Jackets vs. Leafs; we'll break down the play. Trouba taken out, Rooney goes for a ride, Killorn and Fox fined, and checking in with The Athletic's latest Rules Court with some inventive - and possibly historical - rule revisions. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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WTF Is Goaltender Interference?!
03/31/2023
WTF Is Goaltender Interference?!
That's what Detroit head coach Derek Lalonde wanted to know before he was ejected from the Red Wings' game against the Penguins. We break down the initial play, the Coach's Challenge for goaltender interference, the rule, the announcement, and the fallout from the play. Also the net goes off but the puck goes in on Marchenko's goal, shootout specifics, Habs' Hoffman weighs in after Lizotte gets suspended for cross-checking, McDavid's McBoarding, retired referee Brad Meier's debut as the NHL's latest TV rules analyst, and the return of the ref-cam - and how the NHL can use it to help grow the game. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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A New High Score on Coach's Challenges!
03/24/2023
A New High Score on Coach's Challenges!
It's a new NHL record! Four goals overturned by Coach's Challenges at Oilers/Sharks, two incidents in Habs/Bruins as Greer cross-checks Hoffman in the face and Marchand goes after Pitlick for a hit on Bergeron, Sergachev dumps Anderson into the goal frame, Oshie gets an instigator avenging a legal hit by Dumba, Hedman takes out Chychrun, Acciari boards Nelson with no call, the difference on scoring a goal or playing the puck with a high stick, and how the NHL sets standards across games and across officials, Russian ref Konstantin Olenin gets a personal overhead view, and where's our puck tracking?! (Apologies to Mike Smith's butt goal from 2013) More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Binnington Banned for Blocker Beat-Down
03/17/2023
Binnington Banned for Blocker Beat-Down
Binnington's blocker blast results in a two game suspension, Tavares and Suzuki fined, Sens forget to play to the (delayed) whistle on an icing, GMs considering more penalty reviews and stricter penalties for fights after clean hits, no fighting in the Q, officiating feedback and accountability, and looking back at the chicken ref... More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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The Ol' Pickle-Stabber Returns!
03/10/2023
The Ol' Pickle-Stabber Returns!
Some stickwork below the belt gets the Flyers' Deangelo suspended, Sharks' Quinn ejected and fined for blasting referee Gord Dwyer, Watson hits Motte, Karlsson and Dunn throwing fits and smashing sticks, an unfortunate OT offside for the Wild, and a controversial kick... or not. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Spitting and... Splashing?!
03/03/2023
Spitting and... Splashing?!
Is it a spear or a slash? Kuznetsov with some stickwork, McCauley takes out Marchand, Rangers' Miller suspended for spitting, fines fly after Stars/Canucks, Domi loses some teeth, Foegele loses a goal to a quick whistle, Bob takes a trip, a quick look at refs' schedules, and congrats to the officials selected for Hockey Week Across America! More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Clock Blocked!
02/24/2023
Clock Blocked!
Player Safety has had it easy with no suspensions in nearly two months... until this week. Tampa's Cernak gets an elbow up, Lyubushkin gets away with a hook that was sold hard by Stamkos, Kadri gets tossed, Larkin fined for crosschecking, Chicago's Patrick Kane gets clock blocked, and we look at some possible future tech fixes for the NHL. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Hey... Knock It Off!
02/17/2023
Hey... Knock It Off!
It's all about knocking things off this week, whether it's Jamie Benn and Brad Marchand battling in front of the net or the goal frame literally getting knocked off its pegs. We saw displaced nets result in a disallowed goal and a penalty shot this week. Plus, a first for Sidney Crosby as he gets tossed for complaining to the refs, and a near-offside on an overtime Habs winner. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Back from the Break with a Bang.. or Two or Three
02/10/2023
Back from the Break with a Bang.. or Two or Three
The New York Rangers and Calgary Flames take us out of the All-Star Break and back in to the regular season with a bang! Or two or three -- all legal. The Flames kick one in, ref Kelly Sutherland gives a masterclass in penalty announcements, Benn goes bucketless, and no awarded goal for Rangers on an empty net. Plus, Pens' Carter takes out Avs' Makar with a hit to the head. No penalty, no fine, no suspension. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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No Mo' Koho!
02/03/2023
No Mo' Koho!
The All-Star Break is here, which means some time off for the stripes! Koharski (not that one) retires, Zegras picks up a dime for some choice words, Leafs' Keefe butts heads with McCauley again, and a a new take on mic'd up refs in the NCAA -- will the NHL follow suit? More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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What Was The Actual Call?
01/27/2023
What Was The Actual Call?
A midseason refresher on some rules, including a high stick from Montreal's Matheson, a goal from Arizona's Schmaltz on a displaced net, and a missed interference call on a sneaky Malkin stick push, along with a fine to the Coyotes' Valimaki, and an officiating injury update. Todd and Josh also review a penalty call on the Jets' Schmidt that appeared to come via review -- and what exactly caused all that confusion, and how the NHL and the refs can fix it. C'mon, stripes, get on the mic! More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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Things That Make You Go Hmm...
01/20/2023
Things That Make You Go Hmm...
Penny for your thoughts? Panthers head coach Paul Maurice is out $25,000 for his. Pittsburgh's Mike Sullivan also vents his frustrations, Ovi hammers Pageau, Gudas called for a charge, Matheson's 'reverse hit' goes unpenalized, a Panthers goal stands despite Tkachuk in the crease, and a Kane vs. Kucherov battle draws a mysterious review and injures a linesman at Lightning vs. Oilers. Plus, Todd and Josh revisit the debate about officials taking accountability and facing media availability. More on these plays, including video clips and rule breakdowns, at scoutingtherefs.com Visit www.scoutingtherefs.com and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter and Instagram. Email us your questions - [email protected] Call the RefLine at 585-484-REFS!
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