Shrine of Remembrance
The Shrine of Remembrance is Victoria's national memorial honouring the service and sacrifice of Australians in war and peacekeeping. In this podcast series, we go beyond the Shrine’s gallery floor with in-depth conversations about war, peace and everything in between. Listen as academics, historians, authors, veterans and other experts recount real-life stories of Australian military history. For information on events and talks held at the Shrine, go to shrine.org.au.
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Shrine Stories: The Afghanistan Mountains
04/07/2024
Shrine Stories: The Afghanistan Mountains
Kat Rae is an artist and veteran of the Australian Army who has transformed her experiences with Defence into striking art. In this episode of Shrine Stories, we learn about the inspiration, process and message behind Kat's series of reduction linocut prints that depict the mountains of Afghanistan. To follow Kat's work, head to katrae.net Content Warning: This episode discusses themes of mental health and suicide that may cause distress. If you need support, call Lifeline on 13 11 14. For a full list of support services, head to shrine.org.au/wellbeing-resources. Music: Across the Line, Lone Canyon
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Shrine Conversations: What's it like photographing the Belgian Army's Bomb Disposal team?
03/29/2024
Shrine Conversations: What's it like photographing the Belgian Army's Bomb Disposal team?
Artist Ian Alderman spent seven years photographing the Belgian army’s bomb disposal team as they recovered ammunition from land that was once the battlefields of Passchendaele. Once a shell was identified, he had just two minutes to capture the moment before the team moved on to their next call. This intricate work culminated in Recovering the Past—a unique photographic exhibition that connects these Belgian men with men of the Australian Imperial Force who fought during the First World War. The two groups are united through the art of photomontage, which results in a fascinating reflection on the enduring repercussions of human conflict. Listen as Ian unpacks Recovering the Past, including how he combined 100-year-old photographs with modern ones, and what he hopes people take away from his exhibition.
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Shrine Conversations: What happened in Stalag Luft III after The Great Escape?
03/23/2024
Shrine Conversations: What happened in Stalag Luft III after The Great Escape?
The Great Escape has gone down in history as one of the most crafty, yet ultimately tragic, escapes from a prisoner of war camp (listen to our other episode, 'Shrine Stories: The Great Escape', to hear the full story!). But what happened in the camp after the escape? Were the remaining planned escapees punished? And how did the men cope with the news that 50 of their own had been killed? Flight Lieutenant James Anthony Cathcart 'Tony' Gordon was 180th in line to escape, and his son Drew Gordon joins us for this episode to share his father’s story, and what life was like after the Great Escape in Stalag Luft III. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon
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Shrine Stories: The Great Escape
12/18/2023
Shrine Stories: The Great Escape
The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects on our gallery floor. In this episode, we explore the story behind a Norwegian language certificate that sheds light on the lengths some prisoners of war went to to escape captivity during the Second World War. The certificate belonged to Squadron Leader James Catanach, and for fans of the movie ‘The Great Escape’, this episode is sure to interest you. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon
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Shrine Stories: The Peace Graffiti
01/30/2024
Shrine Stories: The Peace Graffiti
The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects on our gallery floor. Just before Anzac Day in 1971, Melburnians woke to the news that the Shrine had been graffitied. Officials were understandably furious, but the identities of those involved remained a mystery. Shrine curator Kate Spinks-Colas joins us on this episode to unpack what happened, and why. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon Image: Reproduced courtesy State Library Victoria
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Trailer: Shrine of Remembrance podcast
02/06/2024
Trailer: Shrine of Remembrance podcast
Whether you're a history lover or someone looking to learn more about Australia's wartime history, this podcast is for you.
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Toys, Tales, Tenacity: Bep-Rie Gomperts
01/24/2024
Toys, Tales, Tenacity: Bep-Rie Gomperts
Bep-Rie Gomperts was two years old when the war started in the Netherlands. It soon became clear that she and her family needed to go into hiding for their safety. Bep spent the next several years moving from family to family and was seperated from her mother just shy of her sixth birthday. Listen as Bep recalls her childhood with several different families and what life was like amid the uncertainty. Music: If I Were You, Alsever Lake
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Toys, Tales, Tenacity: Silke Hesse
01/17/2024
Toys, Tales, Tenacity: Silke Hesse
Silke Hesse was among more than 12,000 people who, at the peak of Second World War, were held in internment camps across Australia. She was almost six years old when she first stepped foot in Tatura internment camp. Listen as she shares her story experiences of internment. Music: If I Were You, Alsever Lake
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Shrine Stories: The Poster
01/14/2024
Shrine Stories: The Poster
The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects on our gallery floor. In this episode, we explore a poster on display in the Vietnam War section of our Galleries. The poster was originally made and distributed in the United States as a protest piece. However, the one hanging at the Shrine has been re-designed and adopts a whole different meaning despite its similarities to the original. Join the Shrine's Collections coordinator Toby Miller as he unpacks this story. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon
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Toys, Tales, Tenacity: Garry Fabian
01/10/2024
Toys, Tales, Tenacity: Garry Fabian
Garry Fabian was just eight years old when he and his parents were interned at Theresienstadt - a ghetto, concentration camp and transit camp used by Nazi Germany to house Jews from across Eastern Europe. Of the 15,000 children who went through the camp, only 150 survived. Listen as Garry shares his story and reflections on his childhood. Music: If I Were You, Alsever Lake
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Shrine Stories: The Chocolate Box
12/10/2023
Shrine Stories: The Chocolate Box
The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects on our gallery floor. In this episode, we get festive by exploring two Christmas tins that were sent to soldiers in the Boer War and the First World War. Join Exhibitions and Grants Coordinator at the Shrine Katrina Nicolson as she uncovers the contents of these boxes and how they were sent to the troops. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon
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Shrine Conversations: Vern Roberts on the surrender at Morotai
12/06/2023
Shrine Conversations: Vern Roberts on the surrender at Morotai
Leading Aircraftman Vern Roberts was a fitter with No. 24 Squadron RAAF and was posted to Morotai during the Second World War. On the 9th of September, 1945, Vern witnessed the Australian commander-in-chief Field Marshal Thomas Blamey accept the formal surrender of the 2nd Japanese Army. Now 99, Vern has an impeccable memory and shares with Shrine curator Neil Sharkey his memories of service and life at Morotai. Music: Kevin Grahams, Together
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Shrine Stories: The Dyson
11/05/2023
Shrine Stories: The Dyson
The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects in the Shrine's Galleries. In this episode, award-winning historian, storyteller and biographer Ross McMullin shares the story of Australia’s first official war artist, William Henry Dyson. Will Dyson created hundreds of drawings of Australia’s soldiers at the Western Front, and managed to capture something no other artist could. Ross references several of Dyson's paintings and lithographs, This episode also discusses the below artwork, Welcome back to the Somme, in detail.
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Shrine Stories: The Snake
10/08/2023
Shrine Stories: The Snake
The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects on our gallery floor. In this episode, we look at the craft of beaded snakes. These intricate objects were among the keepsakes made by Ottoman prisoners of war during, and directly after the First World War. Listen as Shrine Exhibitions and Collections Officer at the Shrine Tessa Occhino reveals how these snakes were made, and why. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon
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Live at the Shrine: Secret Agent, Unsung Hero
09/27/2023
Live at the Shrine: Secret Agent, Unsung Hero
Young Australian teacher Bruce Dowding arrived in Paris in 1938, planning only to improve his understanding of French language and culture. After the war broke out, Dowding helped exfiltrate hundreds of Allied servicemen from occupied France. He eventually paid the ultimate price and was beheaded by the Nazis just after his 29th birthday in 1943. His story is told in the book Secret Agent, Unsung Hero, written by Bruce’s nephew, prominent Australian lawyer and former Western Australian Premier Peter Dowding and historian Ken Spillman. This podcast was recorded live at the Secret Agent, Unsung Hero book talk at the Shrine of Remembrance. Music: Maturity by Solitude
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Shrine Stories: The Stamp
09/10/2023
Shrine Stories: The Stamp
Warning: This podcast contains themes that may be distressing for some listeners. Listener discretion is advised. The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects in the Galleries. In this episode, Major David Bergman explains his role in the recovery efforts following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Major Bergman was one of only five Australian Defence Force personnel embedded with the NYPD and other units who worked in the months after the attacks. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon
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Shrine Stories: The Flying Suit
08/13/2023
Shrine Stories: The Flying Suit
The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects on our gallery floor. In this episode, we delve into the story of Flight Sergeant Keith Meggs. Keith had a passion for aviation from an early age and in December 1950, he arrived in Korea to serve as a fighter pilot. Over the course of his service, he was involved in two very close calls. Listen as Shrine Curator Neil Sharkey uncovers these stories and the peculiar way Keith got his hands on an American survival vest. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon
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Shrine Stories: The Sheet Music
07/09/2023
Shrine Stories: The Sheet Music
The Shrine Stories podcast takes you on a deep dive behind the objects on our gallery floor. In this episode, we uncover the story behind the song, Dream of Australia, which plays in our galleries. Petty Officer Ted McHaffie wrote it in 1936 during a particularly lonesome and frustrating time in his service. Tragically, five years later, Ted was one of the 645 Australian soldiers killed when HMAS Sydney II was sunk by a German raider, and so the song was never recorded. That was until Ted’s nephew, Dr Robert Hoskin, decided it was time that this tune had an audience. Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon
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Live at the Shrine: Midsumma panel talk
05/16/2023
Live at the Shrine: Midsumma panel talk
This podcast was recorded during the 2023 Midsumma Festival and explores stories of LGBTQ+ service. Chaired by Midsumma Chief Executive Karen Bryant, listen as current and ex-service members share their experiences in the ADF. Content warning: Parental guidance is recommended: this audio program contains adult themes and concepts and occasional coarse language. Support: If this program raises any issues for you, feel free to call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Qlife on 1800 184 527. Or please scroll down for additional support services. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and not necessarily the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Speakers: Midsumma Chief Executive Karen Bryant, Yvonne Sillett, Felix, DEFGLIS Vice President Flight Lieutenant Nathan Howarth, Professor Noah Riseman, Defending with Pride curator Kate Spinks-Colas. Recording: McLean Sound Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: QLife Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. Discharged LGBTI Veterans' Association (DVLA) A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Thorne Harbour Health provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Open Arms Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Lifeline Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14
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Shrine Conversations: How Do You Persuade Entertainers to Perform in War Zones?
04/30/2023
Shrine Conversations: How Do You Persuade Entertainers to Perform in War Zones?
Entertainers have performed in war and peacekeeping zones for decades, but what does it take to get them over there? And what happens if things don't go according to plan? In this podcast, Warrant Officer Class 1 Mark Langley shares a peek behind the curtain of a Forces Entertainment concert from recruiting to the curtain call. Listen as he unpacks stories of escorting comedians, musicians and performers to gigs all over the world. Image: Cold Chisel's Ian Moss with WO1 Mark Langley in East Timor. Music: Sylvester Subconscious Cast Of Characters Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance.
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Live at the Shrine: Tours De Force Live Part 1 with Lehmo, Nick Cody and Ami Williamson
02/27/2023
Live at the Shrine: Tours De Force Live Part 1 with Lehmo, Nick Cody and Ami Williamson
Australian entertainers have performed for troops in war zones and peacekeeping operations since the Vietnam War. Their talent and celebrity have lifted spirits and brought a slice of home to service personnel abroad. In this podcast, hear first-hand the trials and tribulations of entertaining on the front line with host Merrick Watts in conversation with Anthony ‘Lehmo’ Lehmann, Nick Cody and Ami Williamson. This podcast was recorded live at the Shrine in November 2022 to mark the opening of Tours De Force: Entertainers on the Front Line. Listen to part two here. Content warning: This podcast is not suitable for children. It contains adult themes and occasional coarse language. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Audio recording: McLean Sound Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Music: Explorations by Reveille Special thanks To all the comedians and performers for their time and generosity. For more information on the exhibition, We embrace the diversity of our community and acknowledge the Bunurong people of the Kulin Nation as the Traditional Custodians of the land on which we honour Australian Defence Force service and sacrifice. We pay our respects to Elders, past and present.
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Live at the Shrine: Tours De Force Live Part 2 with Normie Rowe, Little Pattie, Tom Gleeson and Charlie Pickering
02/27/2023
Live at the Shrine: Tours De Force Live Part 2 with Normie Rowe, Little Pattie, Tom Gleeson and Charlie Pickering
Australian entertainers have performed for troops in war zones and peacekeeping operations since the Vietnam War. Their talent and celebrity have lifted spirits and brought a slice of home to service personnel abroad. In this podcast, hear first-hand the trials and tribulations of entertaining on the front line with host Merrick Watts in conversation with Tom Gleeson, Charlie Pickering, Little Pattie and Normie Rowe. This podcast was recorded live at the Shrine in November 2022 to mark the opening of Tours De Force: Entertainers on the Front Line. Listen to part one Content warning: This podcast is not suitable for children. It contains adult themes and occasional coarse language. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Audio recording: McLean Sound Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Music: Explorations by Reveille Special thanks To all the comedians and performers for their time and generosity. For more information on the exhibition, . We embrace the diversity of our community and acknowledge the Bunurong people of the Kulin Nation as the Traditional Custodians of the land on which we honour Australian Defence Force service and sacrifice. We pay our respects to Elders, past and present.
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For Kin and Country Yarns: Ron Schultz
01/30/2023
For Kin and Country Yarns: Ron Schultz
Corporal Ronald Schultz has been in the Air Force for more than two decades, spanning a variety of roles and serving both in Australia and overseas. He now works in Indigenous recruiting, helping other First Nations people across Australia enter the Defence Force. In this podcast, guest host and acclaimed Gunditjmara actor Tom Molyneux yarns with Ron about his entry into the defence force, the highlights of his service and his hopes for the future of First Peoples in the ADF. Credits: Speaker: Corporal Ronald Schultz Interviewer: Editor: Laura Thomas Music: Title: Emu and Brolga Composer: James Henry Performed by: Air Force Band Wind Quintet This song was debuted at the Shrine of Remembrance for the Victorian Aboriginal Remembrance Service. Audio Mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Megan Spencer, for her keen ear and feedback on this podcast. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Support: If this interview raises any issues for you, please contact: Lifeline on 13 11 14 Open Arms (formerly VVCS) - Veterans & Families Counselling on 1800 011 046 or visit their website. 13 YARN, Australia’s first, 24/7, national, Indigenous-led Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander crisis support line. Phone 13 92 76, or visit their website
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Defending with Pride Voices: Phil
09/28/2022
Defending with Pride Voices: Phil
Phil Neil, a former Leading Aircraftman with the RAAF, was one of the five members of the Gay Ex-Services Association (GESA) who tried to unsuccessfully lay a wreath at the Shrine of Remembrance on ANZAC Day in 1982. GESA formed after inflammatory and homophobic comments were made in the media about gay service people by then RSL president, Bruce Ruxton. On a cold and rainy 25th of April, 1982, Phil Neil, Mike Jarmyn, Terry Yates and two other gay ex-servicemen walked the steps of the Shrine to try and lay a wreath in the name of their “fallen gay and lesbian brothers and sisters”, who had always been a part of the Australian defence forces. On that day, they were turned away. After the passing in 2018 of GESA founding member Max Campbell, a former RAAF Warrant Officer, it was thought that there were no surviving members of the association. As luck would have it, Phil Neil was found alive and well living in regional Victoria during the making of ‘The Power of the Wreath’, one of the podcast episodes that accompanies the Shrine’s groundbreaking new exhibition, Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service (August 2022 – July 2023). In our age of open service, Phil is a pioneer for the LGBTIQ+ ADF members and community of today. As you’ll hear, he’s waited a long time to tell his story for the first time. In this extended interview, he sheds more light on the 1982 wreath-laying incident, his motives for being part of it and much more. It’s an inspiring story of courage and compassion. Phil Neil was interviewed by award-winning podcast maker, Megan Spencer. You can also hear him speak in the special two-part podcast she made for the Shrine, Credits This extended interview with Phil Neil, a former Leading Aircraftman with the RAAF, is part of the podcast series The audio series accompanies the Shrine’s exhibition, Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service (August 2022 – July 2023) Parental guidance recommended: This audio program contains adult themes, mild coarse language and sexual references. If this program raises any issues for you, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14. For additional support services, see also the list below. Wreath-laying at the Shrine: We welcome all members of our community to lay wreaths or other floral offerings at any of the many memorials at the Shrine. The Shrine hosts more than 150 official commemorative services each year to remember the service of Australian men and women, particularly Victorians, and we welcome our community to attend and participate. To find out more about remembrance services, or to apply to hold your own, visit Speakers: Phil Neil (former Leading Aircraftman, RAAF) Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Music: Original “Kissed” music: Philip Brophy Special thanks: To former Phil Neil for generously sharing his insights and lived experience for this podcast and to Nick Henderson from the Australian Queer Archives. Thank you also to the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas and Kate Spinks, curator of Defending with Pride. Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Read: (2020), Melbourne University Press and (2018), New South Books. Ben Winsor’s ‘The Secret History of Gay Diggers’ essay for SBS Visit: exhibition at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, August 2022 until July 2023. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Episode duration: 36:09
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Live at the Shrine: Andrew Quilty on August in Kabul with Tracey Curro
09/26/2022
Live at the Shrine: Andrew Quilty on August in Kabul with Tracey Curro
When the Taliban entered Kabul on the evening of 15 August 2021, Western troops and embassy staff scrambled to flee a country of which its government had lost control. To the world, Kabul in August looked like Saigon in 1975. Andrew Quilty was one of a handful of Western journalists who stayed as the city fell. His book, August in Kabul: America's last days in Afghanistan is a first-hand account of those dramatic final days told through the eyes of Afghans whose lives have been turned upside down. In September 2022, Andrew sat down in front of a live audience at the Shrine of Remembrance to discuss his book with journalist Tracey Curro. Listen as Andrew reveals what life was like in Kabul and shares stories from the weeks and months after it fell.
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Defending with Pride Voices: Bridget
08/28/2022
Defending with Pride Voices: Bridget
Bridget Clinch is a change maker. A former captain in the Australian Army, in 2010 she challenged the Australian Defence Force over its ban on transgender service - and won. It was a hard-fought battle that paved the way for other transgender ADF service members to be able transition and to continue serving after her. High profile former Lieutenant Colonel and Group Captain Cate McGregor, was one of them. Born in Sydney in 1979, Bridget Clinch’s military story began in Victoria as an Army cadet in the mid-90s, at the boys’ secondary college, Melbourne High School. She joined the Army in 1999, and went into officer training at Royal Military College Duntroon. Bridget spent 15 years serving in the Australian Army and had a busy infantry career - in her words, she “crammed a lot in”, especially in her 20s. A combat leader, she deployed to East Timor twice on peacekeeping missions, first in 2003 then in 2008, receiving medals for her service. Amongst it all she commanded platoons, abseiled down mountains, did commando training – and that’s just for starters. Bridget has a remarkable story to tell – not only about being the person who made the ADF repeal its ban on transgender service in 2010, but also about service life itself and what it means to look after and defend your country. “I wanted to transition, be true to myself and keep serving”, she said in a 2017 Guardian article. The protracted process with the ADF took “a huge personal toll” on Bridget. In 2013, she made the difficult decision to discharge from the ADF. Bridget lost her career and the Army lost a dedicated career soldier. Now based in Brisbane, Bridget Clinch describes herself as a “parent, veteran, nerd, writer, speaker and occasional political candidate”. She’s a passionate speaker with a genuine sense of social justice, a super-informed worldview and a progressive thinker. This is her story. Defending with Pride: Voices is a podcast produced for the Shrine of Remembrance to accompany the exhibition Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service. Content warning: Parental guidance is recommended: this audio program contains adult themes and concepts. Support: If this program raises any issues for you, feel free to call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Qlife on 1800 184 527. Or scroll down for additional support services. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Speaker: Bridget Clinch (former captain, Australian Army) Huge thanks to Bridget Clinch for generously sharing her wisdom, candour, insights and lived experience for this project, and for her patience during the COVID period. Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Image Walkom Photography Additional sound: “Timor-Leste audio” recorded by Teodosia “Dhesy” dos Reis, journalist and Trainer Used with kind permission. “ADF in East Timor”, Department of Defence. Used with kind permission. “Vice Regal Guard of Honour”, Shrine of Remembrance Music Original “Kissed” music: Philip Brophy ’62,000 Bells For 62,000 Australian Dead’, recorded at the ANU School of Music by Veronica Bailey, Thomas Laue and Chris Latham (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). From The Diggers’ Requiem, co-commissioned by Australian War Memorial and the Australian Government Department of Veterans’ Affairs. The concert was performed in Amiens, France, on April 23, 2018, by Orchestre de Picardie and the Jena Philharmonic and with Australian soloists, conducted by Chris Latham. Listen Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Professor Noah Riseman, Wendy Love, Kon Velanis and Sean Gallagher at Defence Digital Media and Chris Latham. Thank you: Emma Masters, Sean Burton and the Shrine team: Tessa Occhino, Laura Thomas, Sue Burgess and Kate Spinks, curator of Defending with Pride exhibition. Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Watch: documentary series by Jessica Ferrari Read: by Noah Riseman, Shirlene Robnson & Graham Willett published by New South. (2020), Melbourne University Press Visit: exhibition at the Shrine of Remembrance, open from August 2022 until August 2023. Episode duration: 57:53
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Shrine Conversations: Behind the Beaufort Bomber
08/15/2022
Shrine Conversations: Behind the Beaufort Bomber
The Beaufort Bomber was colloquially known as the workhorse of the RAAF during World War Two and played a key role in Australia's defence. In this podcast, convenor of the Beaufort Squadrons Reunion Tony Clark unpacks the story behind the plane. Hear why they were built on home soil, how women played a pivotal part in the construction and what happened when the plane was retired. Voiceover: Keith Tucker and John Lloyd-Fillingham conducted interviews with many of the Beaufort aircrew veterans and former DAP factory workers at the 2014 Beaufort Squadrons Association reunion. The sentiments and words these individuals shared about their experiences were incorporated into an audiovisual on display at the Shrine of Remembrance. The audio from this project can be heard throughout the podcast. Music: Some Smoke by National Promenade Band Fading Light by Josh Lim Image: Courtesy of the Australian War Memorial
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Defending with Pride Voices: Carole and Christina
07/28/2022
Defending with Pride Voices: Carole and Christina
The story of defence couple, Carole Popham and Christina Dennis, started over 50 years ago in the Women's Royal Australian Air Force. Both born in the '40s, without knowing it they grew up within 350kms of each other in northern Queensland: Carole in Townsville and Christina in Cairns. Coming of age in 1960s Australia - a time of limited work and education opportunities for women - in 1963 and ’64 respectively, Carole and Christina each jumped at the chance to join up and serve their country. The WRAAF offered the women a chance to travel and see Australia, to meet other people from all walks of life and the opportunity to work in an interesting and challenging environment that home just couldn’t offer. After meeting in the service 1964, and developing a romantic relationship at the end of 1967, Carole and Christina’s Air Force careers were cut short by the prevailing conservative morals and military regulations of the day. To avoid persecution from within, in late 1968 Carole and Christina decided to out their relationship to their WRAAF officer and voluntarily discharge from the Air Force. Excelling in their respective musterings, it was not an easy decision to make and was a huge sacrifice. The ban on open service for LGB members in Australia’s military would endure for another three long decades, finally overturned by the Commonwealth government in 1992. Carole and Christina have been together for 53 years, living in the same Melbourne suburb for almost as long. Much loved in their local community, their story is inspiring, funny, moving and courageous. They are unassuming trailblazers for today’s queer ADF community. Defending with Pride: Voices is a podcast produced for the Shrine of Remembrance to accompany the exhibition Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service. Content warning: Parental guidance is recommended: this audio program contains adult themes and concepts. Support: If this program raises any issues for you, feel free to call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Qlife on 1800 184 527. Or scroll down for additional support services. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. CREDITS Speakers: Christina Dennis (WRAAF) Carole Popham (WRAAF) Huge thanks to Christina and Carole for generously sharing their story, insights and perspectives; for their patience during the pandemic and for their hospitality. Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Archival audio: ‘New Careers: Women of the RAAF’ 1958, (excerpts), courtesy of Cinesound Movietone Productions and the National Film and Sound Archive. Used with kind permission. Music: , commissioned by the Royal Australian Air Force Band. An original composition by Gamilaraay Yuwaalaraay man , performed by the . Ensemble: Flight Sergeant Adam Schlemitz - Bassoon Corporal Laila Engle - Flute Corporal Robert Scott - Clarinet Leading Aircraftman Salvador Blasco Celda - Oboe Aircraftman Aidan Gabriels - French horn Original ‘Kissed’ music: Philip Brophy Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Professor Noah Riseman; Glenn Eley at Cinesound Movietone Productions; Siobhan Dee at NFSA and Jessica Ferrari at Memento Media. Flight Sergeant Dr. Ralph Whiteoak, RAAF Band, composer James Henry (Gamilaraay Yuwaalaraay) and the Royal Australian Air Force Wind Quintet. Thank you to the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas and Kate Spinks, curator of the Defending with Pride exhibition. Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Watch: documentary series by Jessica Ferrari Read: by Noah Riseman, Shirlene Robnson & Graham Willett published by New South. Visit: exhibition at the Shrine of Remembrance, open from August 2022 until August 2023. Episode duration: 57:15
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Defending with Pride Voices: The Power of the Wreath Part 2
07/28/2022
Defending with Pride Voices: The Power of the Wreath Part 2
This podcast is part of a powerful two-part series that explores the history of LGBTIQ+ military service in Australia, produced by award-winning podcast maker, Megan Spencer. It begins in 1982 with the unsuccessful attempt of five gay ex-servicemen to lay a wreath at the Shrine of Remembrance on Anzac Day, to honour their “fallen gay and lesbian brothers and sisters”. Forty years later, on ANZAC Day 2022, the story comes full circle with the annual Rainbow Wreath-laying service by DEFGLIS uniformed members and allies, in the Shrine’s hallowed Sanctuary. In between these two landmark moments, the story of LGBTIQ+ service unfolds through the voices and lived experience of current and former ADF service members, pre- and post- the 1992 ban on “homosexual service” in Australia’s military. The Power of the Wreath podcast accompanies the Shrine’s new exhibition, Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service, on from August 1st 2022 - August 2023. Content warning: Parental guidance recommended: this audio program contains adult themes, mild coarse language and sexual references. It also contains references to suicide. If you need support, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14. A comprehensive list of support services is also included below. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Credits Speakers: Squadron Leader Nathan White Professor Noah Riseman Stuart Martin (former Flight Lieutenant) Max Campbell (former Warrant Officer, dec.) Flight Lieutenant Lachlan Saunders Phil Neil (former Leading Aircraftman) Group Captain Mick Janson Grateful thanks to each speaker for generously sharing their insights, research and/or lived experience for this podcast. Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Feature image: DEFGLIS members and supporters: From left: GPCAPT Mick Jansen, FLTLT Danie Bunting, FLGOFF(AAFC) Dan Morris, FLTLT Brad Milsteed, FLTLT Lachlan Saunders, Stuart Martin, Bron Richardson, LTCOL Kristy Hudson, Sameer Mane Archival audio: Max Campbell: oral history interview with Noah Riseman. Recorded 13 March 2015. Donated to the used with kind permission. Additional audio: Excerpts of The Dawn Service at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, ANZAC Day, 25th April 2022, recorded by the Shrine of Remembrance. Music: Didgeridoo: Bunurong man Eric Edwards. Live recording from the 31st May, 2022, recorded by the Shrine of Remembrance. Used with kind permission. Original “Kissed” music: Philip Brophy Selected tracks from The Diggers’ Requiem: arranged, curated and conducted by Christopher Latham (musical artist in residence at the Australian War Memorial) with soloists. Used with kind permission. ’62,000 Bells For 62,000 Australian Dead’, recorded at the ANU School of Music by Veronica Bailey, Thomas Laue and Chris Latham (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). ‘Dead March from Saul’, for accordion, choir, soloists & orchestra. Composer: GF Handel (in Movement 1: ‘Requiem Aeternum / Rest Eternal’). ‘Lament For The Pipers Who Fell In The Great War’. Composer: Pipe Major John Grant (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). The Diggers’ Requiem was co-commissioned by Australian War Memorial and the Australian Government Department of Veterans’ Affairs. The concert performed in Amiens, France, on April 23, 2018, by Orchestre de Picardie and the Jena Philharmonic and with Australian soloists, conducted by Chris Latham. Listen . Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Professor Noah Riseman; Nick Henderson, Ange Bailey and Graham Willett from the Australian Queer Archives. Bunurong man Eric Edwards for sharing his didgeridoo music in this program. Read more about his grandfather , who fought in WWI and was awarded a Military Medal. Chris Latham and and the musicians from The Diggers’ Requiem. Thank you: Department of Defence and Defence Media; Nathan White, Rachael Cosgrove and DEFGLIS; the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas and Kate Spinks, curator of Defending with Pride. See the Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service exhibition now at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, until August 2023. Wreath-laying at the Shrine: We welcome all members of our community to lay wreaths or other floral offerings at any of the many memorials at the Shrine. The Shrine hosts more than 150 official commemorative services each year to remember the service of Australian men and women, particularly Victorians, and we welcome our community to attend and participate. To find out more about remembrance services, or to apply to hold your own, visit Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. (DVLA) A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Free, immediate, short-term counselling advice and referral. Phone: 1300 224 636 24-hour counselling service for suicide prevention and mental health. Phone: 1300 659 467 Read: (2020), Melbourne University Press and New South Books. Curator Kate Spinks’ article , The Shrine’s Media Release: Noah Riseman’s essays on LGBTI service for The Conversation, and Shirlene Robinson’s essay on LGBTI service for The Conversation Ben Winsor’s ‘The Secret History of Gay Diggers’ essay for SBS Visit: Episode duration: 52:37
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Defending with Pride Voices: The Power of the Wreath Part 1
07/28/2022
Defending with Pride Voices: The Power of the Wreath Part 1
This podcast is part of a powerful two-part series that explores the history of LGBTIQ+ military service in Australia, produced by award-winning podcast maker, Megan Spencer. It begins in 1982 with the unsuccessful attempt of five gay ex-servicemen to lay a wreath at the Shrine of Remembrance on Anzac Day, to honour their “fallen gay and lesbian brothers and sisters”. Forty years later, on ANZAC Day 2022, the story comes full circle with the annual Rainbow Wreath-laying service by DEFGLIS uniformed members and allies, in the Shrine’s hallowed Sanctuary. In between these two landmark moments, the story of LGBTIQ+ service unfolds through the voices and lived experience of current and former ADF service members, pre- and post- the 1992 ban on “homosexual service” in Australia’s military. The Power of the Wreath podcast accompanies the Shrine’s new exhibition, Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service, on from August 1st 2022 - August 2023. Content warning: Parental guidance recommended: this audio program contains adult themes, mild coarse language and sexual references. It also contains references to suicide. If you need support, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14. A comprehensive list of support services is also included below. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Credits Speakers: Squadron Leader Nathan White Professor Noah Riseman Stuart Martin (former Flight Lieutenant) Max Campbell (former Warrant Officer, dec.) Flight Lieutenant Lachlan Saunders Phil Neil (former Leading Aircraftman) Group Captain Mick Janson Grateful thanks to each speaker for generously sharing their insights, research and/or lived experience for this podcast. Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Archival audio: Max Campbell: oral history interview with Noah Riseman. Recorded 13 March 2015. Donated to the used with kind permission. Additional audio: Excerpts of The Dawn Service at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, ANZAC Day, 25th April 2022, recorded by the Shrine of Remembrance. Music: Didgeridoo: Bunurong man Eric Edwards. Live recording from the 31st May, 2022, recorded by the Shrine of Remembrance. Used with kind permission. Original “Kissed” music: Philip Brophy Selected tracks from The Diggers’ Requiem: arranged, curated and conducted by Christopher Latham (musical artist in residence at the Australian War Memorial) with soloists. Used with kind permission. ’62,000 Bells For 62,000 Australian Dead’, recorded at the ANU School of Music by Veronica Bailey, Thomas Laue and Chris Latham (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). ‘Dead March from Saul’, for accordion, choir, soloists & orchestra. Composer: GF Handel (in Movement 1: ‘Requiem Aeternum / Rest Eternal’). ‘Lament For The Pipers Who Fell In The Great War’. Composer: Pipe Major John Grant (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). The Diggers’ Requiem was co-commissioned by Australian War Memorial and the Australian Government Department of Veterans’ Affairs. The concert performed in Amiens, France, on April 23, 2018, by Orchestre de Picardie and the Jena Philharmonic and with Australian soloists, conducted by Chris Latham. Listen . Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Professor Noah Riseman; Nick Henderson, Ange Bailey and Graham Willett from the Australian Queer Archives. Bunurong man Eric Edwards for sharing his didgeridoo music in this program. Read more about his grandfather , who fought in WWI and was awarded a Military Medal. Chris Latham and and the musicians from The Diggers’ Requiem. Thank you: Department of Defence and Defence Media; Nathan White, Rachael Cosgrove and DEFGLIS; the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas and Kate Spinks, curator of Defending with Pride. See the Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service exhibition now at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, until August 2023. Wreath-laying at the Shrine: We welcome all members of our community to lay wreaths or other floral offerings at any of the many memorials at the Shrine. The Shrine hosts more than 150 official commemorative services each year to remember the service of Australian men and women, particularly Victorians, and we welcome our community to attend and participate. To find out more about remembrance services, or to apply to hold your own, visit Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. (DVLA) A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Free, immediate, short-term counselling advice and referral. Phone: 1300 224 636 24-hour counselling service for suicide prevention and mental health. Phone: 1300 659 467 Read: (2020), Melbourne University Press and New South Books. Curator Kate Spinks’ article , The Shrine’s Media Release: Noah Riseman’s essays on LGBTI service for The Conversation, and Shirlene Robinson’s essay on LGBTI service for The Conversation Ben Winsor’s ‘The Secret History of Gay Diggers’ essay for SBS Visit: Episode duration: 44:54
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