Shrine of Remembrance

The Shrine of Remembrance is Victoria's national memorial honouring the service and sacrifice of Australians in war and peacekeeping. In this podcast series, we go beyond the Shrine’s gallery floor with in-depth conversations about war, peace and everything in between. Listen as academics, historians, authors, veterans and other experts recount real-life stories of Australian military history. For information on events and talks held at the Shrine, go to shrine.org.au.

Defending with Pride: Midsumma panel talk 05/16/2023

Defending with Pride: Midsumma panel talk This podcast was recorded during the 2023 Midsumma Festival and explores stories of LGBTQ+ service. Chaired by Midsumma Chief Executive Karen Bryant, listen as current and ex-service members share their experiences in the ADF. Content warning: Parental guidance is recommended: this audio program contains adult themes and concepts and occasional coarse language. Support: If this program raises any issues for you, feel free to call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Qlife on 1800 184 527. Or please scroll down for additional support services. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and not necessarily the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Speakers: Midsumma Chief Executive Karen Bryant, Yvonne Sillett, Felix, DEFGLIS Vice President Flight Lieutenant Nathan Howarth, Professor Noah Riseman, Defending with Pride curator Kate Spinks-Colas. Recording: McLean Sound Music: Across the Line - Lone Canyon Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: QLife Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. Discharged LGBTI Veterans' Association (DVLA) A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Thorne Harbour Health provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Open Arms Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Lifeline Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/26739273

Backstage Pass: Behind Forces Entertainment 04/30/2023

Tours De Force Live Part 1: Lehmo, Nick Cody and Ami Williamson 02/27/2023

Tours De Force Live Part 2: Normie Rowe, Little Pattie, Tom Gleeson and Charlie Pickering 02/27/2023

For Kin and Country Yarns: Ron Schultz 01/30/2023

Defending with Pride Voices: Phil 09/28/2022

Defending with Pride Voices: Phil Phil Neil, a former Leading Aircraftman with the RAAF, was one of the five members of the Gay Ex-Services Association (GESA) who tried to unsuccessfully lay a wreath at the Shrine of Remembrance on ANZAC Day in 1982. GESA formed after inflammatory and homophobic comments were made in the media about gay service people by then RSL president, Bruce Ruxton. On a cold and rainy 25th of April, 1982, Phil Neil, Mike Jarmyn, Terry Yates and two other gay ex-servicemen walked the steps of the Shrine to try and lay a wreath in the name of their “fallen gay and lesbian brothers and sisters”, who had always been a part of the Australian defence forces. On that day, they were turned away. After the passing in 2018 of GESA founding member Max Campbell, a former RAAF Warrant Officer, it was thought that there were no surviving members of the association. As luck would have it, Phil Neil was found alive and well living in regional Victoria during the making of ‘The Power of the Wreath’, one of the podcast episodes that accompanies the Shrine’s groundbreaking new exhibition, Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service (August 2022 – July 2023). In our age of open service, Phil is a pioneer for the LGBTIQ+ ADF members and community of today. As you’ll hear, he’s waited a long time to tell his story for the first time. In this extended interview, he sheds more light on the 1982 wreath-laying incident, his motives for being part of it and much more. It’s an inspiring story of courage and compassion. Phil Neil was interviewed by award-winning podcast maker, Megan Spencer. You can also hear him speak in the special two-part podcast she made for the Shrine, Credits This extended interview with Phil Neil, a former Leading Aircraftman with the RAAF, is part of the podcast series The audio series accompanies the Shrine’s exhibition, Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service (August 2022 – July 2023) Parental guidance recommended: This audio program contains adult themes, mild coarse language and sexual references. If this program raises any issues for you, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14. For additional support services, see also the list below. Wreath-laying at the Shrine: We welcome all members of our community to lay wreaths or other floral offerings at any of the many memorials at the Shrine. The Shrine hosts more than 150 official commemorative services each year to remember the service of Australian men and women, particularly Victorians, and we welcome our community to attend and participate. To find out more about remembrance services, or to apply to hold your own, visit Speakers: Phil Neil (former Leading Aircraftman, RAAF) Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Music: Original “Kissed” music: Philip Brophy Special thanks: To former Phil Neil for generously sharing his insights and lived experience for this podcast and to Nick Henderson from the Australian Queer Archives. Thank you also to the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas and Kate Spinks, curator of Defending with Pride. Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Read: (2020), Melbourne University Press and (2018), New South Books. Ben Winsor’s ‘The Secret History of Gay Diggers’ essay for SBS Visit: exhibition at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, August 2022 until July 2023. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Episode duration: 36:09 /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/24392319

August in Kabul: Andrew Quilty in conversation with Tracey Curro 09/26/2022

Defending with Pride Voices: Bridget 08/28/2022

Defending with Pride Voices: Bridget Bridget Clinch is a change maker. A former captain in the Australian Army, in 2010 she challenged the Australian Defence Force over its ban on transgender service - and won. It was a hard-fought battle that paved the way for other transgender ADF service members to be able transition and to continue serving after her. High profile former Lieutenant Colonel and Group Captain Cate McGregor, was one of them. Born in Sydney in 1979, Bridget Clinch’s military story began in Victoria as an Army cadet in the mid-90s, at the boys’ secondary college, Melbourne High School. She joined the Army in 1999, and went into officer training at Royal Military College Duntroon. Bridget spent 15 years serving in the Australian Army and had a busy infantry career - in her words, she “crammed a lot in”, especially in her 20s. A combat leader, she deployed to East Timor twice on peacekeeping missions, first in 2003 then in 2008, receiving medals for her service. Amongst it all she commanded platoons, abseiled down mountains, did commando training – and that’s just for starters. Bridget has a remarkable story to tell – not only about being the person who made the ADF repeal its ban on transgender service in 2010, but also about service life itself and what it means to look after and defend your country. “I wanted to transition, be true to myself and keep serving”, she said in a 2017 Guardian article. The protracted process with the ADF took “a huge personal toll” on Bridget. In 2013, she made the difficult decision to discharge from the ADF. Bridget lost her career and the Army lost a dedicated career soldier. Now based in Brisbane, Bridget Clinch describes herself as a “parent, veteran, nerd, writer, speaker and occasional political candidate”. She’s a passionate speaker with a genuine sense of social justice, a super-informed worldview and a progressive thinker. This is her story. Defending with Pride: Voices is a podcast produced for the Shrine of Remembrance to accompany the exhibition Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service. Content warning: Parental guidance is recommended: this audio program contains adult themes and concepts. Support: If this program raises any issues for you, feel free to call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Qlife on 1800 184 527. Or scroll down for additional support services. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Speaker: Bridget Clinch (former captain, Australian Army) Huge thanks to Bridget Clinch for generously sharing her wisdom, candour, insights and lived experience for this project, and for her patience during the COVID period. Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Image Walkom Photography Additional sound: “Timor-Leste audio” recorded by Teodosia “Dhesy” dos Reis, journalist and Trainer Used with kind permission. “ADF in East Timor”, Department of Defence. Used with kind permission. “Vice Regal Guard of Honour”, Shrine of Remembrance Music Original “Kissed” music: Philip Brophy ’62,000 Bells For 62,000 Australian Dead’, recorded at the ANU School of Music by Veronica Bailey, Thomas Laue and Chris Latham (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). From The Diggers’ Requiem, co-commissioned by Australian War Memorial and the Australian Government Department of Veterans’ Affairs. The concert was performed in Amiens, France, on April 23, 2018, by Orchestre de Picardie and the Jena Philharmonic and with Australian soloists, conducted by Chris Latham. Listen Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Professor Noah Riseman, Wendy Love, Kon Velanis and Sean Gallagher at Defence Digital Media and Chris Latham. Thank you: Emma Masters, Sean Burton and the Shrine team: Tessa Occhino, Laura Thomas, Sue Burgess and Kate Spinks, curator of Defending with Pride exhibition. Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Watch: documentary series by Jessica Ferrari Read: by Noah Riseman, Shirlene Robnson & Graham Willett published by New South. (2020), Melbourne University Press Visit: exhibition at the Shrine of Remembrance, open from August 2022 until August 2023. Episode duration: 57:53 /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/24171078

Behind the Beaufort Bomber 08/15/2022

Defending with Pride Voices: Carole and Christina 07/28/2022

Defending with Pride Voices: Carole and Christina The story of defence couple, Carole Popham and Christina Dennis, started over 50 years ago in the Women's Royal Australian Air Force. Both born in the '40s, without knowing it they grew up within 350kms of each other in northern Queensland: Carole in Townsville and Christina in Cairns. Coming of age in 1960s Australia - a time of limited work and education opportunities for women - in 1963 and ’64 respectively, Carole and Christina each jumped at the chance to join up and serve their country. The WRAAF offered the women a chance to travel and see Australia, to meet other people from all walks of life and the opportunity to work in an interesting and challenging environment that home just couldn’t offer. After meeting in the service 1964, and developing a romantic relationship at the end of 1967, Carole and Christina’s Air Force careers were cut short by the prevailing conservative morals and military regulations of the day. To avoid persecution from within, in late 1968 Carole and Christina decided to out their relationship to their WRAAF officer and voluntarily discharge from the Air Force. Excelling in their respective musterings, it was not an easy decision to make and was a huge sacrifice. The ban on open service for LGB members in Australia’s military would endure for another three long decades, finally overturned by the Commonwealth government in 1992. Carole and Christina have been together for 53 years, living in the same Melbourne suburb for almost as long. Much loved in their local community, their story is inspiring, funny, moving and courageous. They are unassuming trailblazers for today’s queer ADF community. Defending with Pride: Voices is a podcast produced for the Shrine of Remembrance to accompany the exhibition Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service. Content warning: Parental guidance is recommended: this audio program contains adult themes and concepts. Support: If this program raises any issues for you, feel free to call Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Qlife on 1800 184 527. Or scroll down for additional support services. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. CREDITS Speakers: Christina Dennis (WRAAF) Carole Popham (WRAAF) Huge thanks to Christina and Carole for generously sharing their story, insights and perspectives; for their patience during the pandemic and for their hospitality. Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Archival audio: ‘New Careers: Women of the RAAF’ 1958, (excerpts), courtesy of Cinesound Movietone Productions and the National Film and Sound Archive. Used with kind permission. Music: , commissioned by the Royal Australian Air Force Band. An original composition by Gamilaraay Yuwaalaraay man , performed by the . Ensemble: Flight Sergeant Adam Schlemitz - Bassoon Corporal Laila Engle - Flute Corporal Robert Scott - Clarinet Leading Aircraftman Salvador Blasco Celda - Oboe Aircraftman Aidan Gabriels - French horn Original ‘Kissed’ music: Philip Brophy Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Professor Noah Riseman; Glenn Eley at Cinesound Movietone Productions; Siobhan Dee at NFSA and Jessica Ferrari at Memento Media. Flight Sergeant Dr. Ralph Whiteoak, RAAF Band, composer James Henry (Gamilaraay Yuwaalaraay) and the Royal Australian Air Force Wind Quintet. Thank you to the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas and Kate Spinks, curator of the Defending with Pride exhibition. Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Watch: documentary series by Jessica Ferrari Read: by Noah Riseman, Shirlene Robnson & Graham Willett published by New South. Visit: exhibition at the Shrine of Remembrance, open from August 2022 until August 2023. Episode duration: 57:15 /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/23882835

Defending with Pride Voices: The Power of the Wreath Part 2 07/28/2022

Defending with Pride Voices: The Power of the Wreath Part 2 This podcast is part of a powerful two-part series that explores the history of LGBTIQ+ military service in Australia, produced by award-winning podcast maker, Megan Spencer. It begins in 1982 with the unsuccessful attempt of five gay ex-servicemen to lay a wreath at the Shrine of Remembrance on Anzac Day, to honour their “fallen gay and lesbian brothers and sisters”. Forty years later, on ANZAC Day 2022, the story comes full circle with the annual Rainbow Wreath-laying service by DEFGLIS uniformed members and allies, in the Shrine’s hallowed Sanctuary. In between these two landmark moments, the story of LGBTIQ+ service unfolds through the voices and lived experience of current and former ADF service members, pre- and post- the 1992 ban on “homosexual service” in Australia’s military. The Power of the Wreath podcast accompanies the Shrine’s new exhibition, Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service, on from August 1st 2022 - August 2023. Content warning: Parental guidance recommended: this audio program contains adult themes, mild coarse language and sexual references. It also contains references to suicide. If you need support, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14. A comprehensive list of support services is also included below. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Credits Speakers: Squadron Leader Nathan White Professor Noah Riseman Stuart Martin (former Flight Lieutenant) Max Campbell (former Warrant Officer, dec.) Flight Lieutenant Lachlan Saunders Phil Neil (former Leading Aircraftman) Group Captain Mick Janson Grateful thanks to each speaker for generously sharing their insights, research and/or lived experience for this podcast. Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Feature image: DEFGLIS members and supporters: From left: GPCAPT Mick Jansen, FLTLT Danie Bunting, FLGOFF(AAFC) Dan Morris, FLTLT Brad Milsteed, FLTLT Lachlan Saunders, Stuart Martin, Bron Richardson, LTCOL Kristy Hudson, Sameer Mane Archival audio: Max Campbell: oral history interview with Noah Riseman. Recorded 13 March 2015. Donated to the used with kind permission. Additional audio: Excerpts of The Dawn Service at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, ANZAC Day, 25th April 2022, recorded by the Shrine of Remembrance. Music: Didgeridoo: Bunurong man Eric Edwards. Live recording from the 31st May, 2022, recorded by the Shrine of Remembrance. Used with kind permission. Original “Kissed” music: Philip Brophy Selected tracks from The Diggers’ Requiem: arranged, curated and conducted by Christopher Latham (musical artist in residence at the Australian War Memorial) with soloists. Used with kind permission. ’62,000 Bells For 62,000 Australian Dead’, recorded at the ANU School of Music by Veronica Bailey, Thomas Laue and Chris Latham (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). ‘Dead March from Saul’, for accordion, choir, soloists & orchestra. Composer: GF Handel (in Movement 1: ‘Requiem Aeternum / Rest Eternal’). ‘Lament For The Pipers Who Fell In The Great War’. Composer: Pipe Major John Grant (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). The Diggers’ Requiem was co-commissioned by Australian War Memorial and the Australian Government Department of Veterans’ Affairs. The concert performed in Amiens, France, on April 23, 2018, by Orchestre de Picardie and the Jena Philharmonic and with Australian soloists, conducted by Chris Latham. Listen . Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Professor Noah Riseman; Nick Henderson, Ange Bailey and Graham Willett from the Australian Queer Archives. Bunurong man Eric Edwards for sharing his didgeridoo music in this program. Read more about his grandfather , who fought in WWI and was awarded a Military Medal. Chris Latham and and the musicians from The Diggers’ Requiem. Thank you: Department of Defence and Defence Media; Nathan White, Rachael Cosgrove and DEFGLIS; the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas and Kate Spinks, curator of Defending with Pride. See the Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service exhibition now at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, until August 2023. Wreath-laying at the Shrine: We welcome all members of our community to lay wreaths or other floral offerings at any of the many memorials at the Shrine. The Shrine hosts more than 150 official commemorative services each year to remember the service of Australian men and women, particularly Victorians, and we welcome our community to attend and participate. To find out more about remembrance services, or to apply to hold your own, visit Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. (DVLA) A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Free, immediate, short-term counselling advice and referral. Phone: 1300 224 636 24-hour counselling service for suicide prevention and mental health. Phone: 1300 659 467 Read: (2020), Melbourne University Press and New South Books. Curator Kate Spinks’ article , The Shrine’s Media Release: Noah Riseman’s essays on LGBTI service for The Conversation, and Shirlene Robinson’s essay on LGBTI service for The Conversation Ben Winsor’s ‘The Secret History of Gay Diggers’ essay for SBS Visit: Episode duration: 52:37 /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/23844896

Defending with Pride Voices: The Power of the Wreath Part 1 07/28/2022

Defending with Pride Voices: The Power of the Wreath Part 1 This podcast is part of a powerful two-part series that explores the history of LGBTIQ+ military service in Australia, produced by award-winning podcast maker, Megan Spencer. It begins in 1982 with the unsuccessful attempt of five gay ex-servicemen to lay a wreath at the Shrine of Remembrance on Anzac Day, to honour their “fallen gay and lesbian brothers and sisters”. Forty years later, on ANZAC Day 2022, the story comes full circle with the annual Rainbow Wreath-laying service by DEFGLIS uniformed members and allies, in the Shrine’s hallowed Sanctuary. In between these two landmark moments, the story of LGBTIQ+ service unfolds through the voices and lived experience of current and former ADF service members, pre- and post- the 1992 ban on “homosexual service” in Australia’s military. The Power of the Wreath podcast accompanies the Shrine’s new exhibition, Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service, on from August 1st 2022 - August 2023. Content warning: Parental guidance recommended: this audio program contains adult themes, mild coarse language and sexual references. It also contains references to suicide. If you need support, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14. A comprehensive list of support services is also included below. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Credits Speakers: Squadron Leader Nathan White Professor Noah Riseman Stuart Martin (former Flight Lieutenant) Max Campbell (former Warrant Officer, dec.) Flight Lieutenant Lachlan Saunders Phil Neil (former Leading Aircraftman) Group Captain Mick Janson Grateful thanks to each speaker for generously sharing their insights, research and/or lived experience for this podcast. Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Archival audio: Max Campbell: oral history interview with Noah Riseman. Recorded 13 March 2015. Donated to the used with kind permission. Additional audio: Excerpts of The Dawn Service at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, ANZAC Day, 25th April 2022, recorded by the Shrine of Remembrance. Music: Didgeridoo: Bunurong man Eric Edwards. Live recording from the 31st May, 2022, recorded by the Shrine of Remembrance. Used with kind permission. Original “Kissed” music: Philip Brophy Selected tracks from The Diggers’ Requiem: arranged, curated and conducted by Christopher Latham (musical artist in residence at the Australian War Memorial) with soloists. Used with kind permission. ’62,000 Bells For 62,000 Australian Dead’, recorded at the ANU School of Music by Veronica Bailey, Thomas Laue and Chris Latham (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). ‘Dead March from Saul’, for accordion, choir, soloists & orchestra. Composer: GF Handel (in Movement 1: ‘Requiem Aeternum / Rest Eternal’). ‘Lament For The Pipers Who Fell In The Great War’. Composer: Pipe Major John Grant (in Movement 12: ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’). The Diggers’ Requiem was co-commissioned by Australian War Memorial and the Australian Government Department of Veterans’ Affairs. The concert performed in Amiens, France, on April 23, 2018, by Orchestre de Picardie and the Jena Philharmonic and with Australian soloists, conducted by Chris Latham. Listen . Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Professor Noah Riseman; Nick Henderson, Ange Bailey and Graham Willett from the Australian Queer Archives. Bunurong man Eric Edwards for sharing his didgeridoo music in this program. Read more about his grandfather , who fought in WWI and was awarded a Military Medal. Chris Latham and and the musicians from The Diggers’ Requiem. Thank you: Department of Defence and Defence Media; Nathan White, Rachael Cosgrove and DEFGLIS; the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas and Kate Spinks, curator of Defending with Pride. See the Defending with Pride: Stories of LGBTQ+ service exhibition now at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, until August 2023. Wreath-laying at the Shrine: We welcome all members of our community to lay wreaths or other floral offerings at any of the many memorials at the Shrine. The Shrine hosts more than 150 official commemorative services each year to remember the service of Australian men and women, particularly Victorians, and we welcome our community to attend and participate. To find out more about remembrance services, or to apply to hold your own, visit Support: If this podcast raises any issues for you, support is available from the following services: Australia’s first nationally-oriented counselling and referral service for LGBTI people. Phone: 1800 184 527 Defence Gay and Lesbian Information Service provides policy and community information to gay, lesbian and bisexual, transgender, intersex and non-binary serving and ex-serving members of Defence and their families. (DVLA) A support and advocacy association for Australian Defence Force personnel, their family and their friends who were adversely impacted by Defence's historic anti-LGBTI policies. Phone 0400 124 213. Provides professional, affordable counselling for members of LGBTIQ+ communities and individuals or couples who are affected by or at risk of HIV. Free and confidential, 24/7 national counselling service for Australian veterans and their families, provided through the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Phone: 1800 011 046 Suicide and crisis support. Phone: 13 11 14 Free, immediate, short-term counselling advice and referral. Phone: 1300 224 636 24-hour counselling service for suicide prevention and mental health. Phone: 1300 659 467 Read: (2020), Melbourne University Press and New South Books. Curator Kate Spinks’ article , The Shrine’s Media Release: Noah Riseman’s essays on LGBTI service for The Conversation, and Shirlene Robinson’s essay on LGBTI service for The Conversation Ben Winsor’s ‘The Secret History of Gay Diggers’ essay for SBS Visit: Episode duration: 44:54 /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/23822582

For Kin and Country Yarns: Rex Solomon 07/03/2022

Between Two Worlds: Behind the exhibition 06/21/2022

For Kin and Country Yarns: Uncle Frank Lampard 05/01/2022

For Kin and Country Yarns: Uncle Frank Lampard Uncle Frank Lampard OAM is a proud Ngarrindjeri Kaurna man and elder and one of the thousands of young Australians called up for national service during the Vietnam War. Training as a medic in the Royal Australian Army Medical Corps, he was posted to Victoria for two years and served from 1967 to 1969. Listen as Uncle Frank unpacks his experience of national service, shares stories from his time living in Melbourne and away from country and gives powerful insights into recognition and acknowledgment of First Peoples' military service. Credits This podcast has been produced for the Shrine of Remembrance to accompany the exhibition For Kin and Country: First Peoples in the Australian Defence Force, 20 April 2022 – April 2023. Speaker: , OAM (Ngarrindjeri/Kaurna) Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Archival audio: “Vietnam Lottery (ABC News, 1965)”. Australian Broadcasting Corporation Library Sales. “Minister for Army statement regarding the re-introduction of National Service, 1964”. Accession No: F03664. Item copyright held by the Australian War Memorial, licensed under Creative Commons and used with kind permission. “ALP: Federal Election 1966”. Audio supplied by the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia’s Australian Screen Collection, used with kind permission courtesy of the Australian Labor National Secretariat. ‘Or Forever Hold Your Peace’ (1970). Audio supplied by the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia’s Australian Screen Collection and used with kind permission courtesy of Richard Brennan. “[Christmas messages 1969] Commander's inserts DPR/TV (Soldiers greetings from Vietnam)”. Accession Number: F04718. Item copyright held by the Australian War Memorial, licensed under Creative Commons and used with kind permission. Additional audio: “Prayer of Remembrance” from the 2021 Aboriginal Veterans Commemorative Public Service, Adelaide, May 28, 2021. Prayer written and spoken by Chaplain (Squadron Leader) Patrick Boyle, Air Force. Audio recorded by Hugh Fenton/Enlightening Films. Used with kind permission courtesy of Aboriginal Veterans South Australia (AVSA). “Catafalque Party” (Army) from the 2021 Aboriginal Veterans Commemorative Public Service, Adelaide, May 28, 2021. Audio recorded by Hugh Fenton/Enlightening Films, used with kind permission courtesy of Aboriginal Veterans South Australia (AVSA). Music: ”. Accession Number AWM2016.437.3. Yidaki performed by Leading Aircraftman Brodie McIntyre (Warlpiri). Item copyright held by the Australian War Memorial, licensed under Creative Commons and used with kind permission. “62,000 Bells For 62,000 Australian Dead”, recorded at the ANU School of Music Canberra by Veronica Bailey, Thomas Laue and Chris Latham, from (included in track ‘Lux Aeterna – In Paradisum’, composer: Ross Edwards). The Diggers Requiem: arranged, curated and conducted by Christopher Latham (musical artist in residence at the Australian War Memorial) with soloists. Used with kind permission. The Royal Australian Airforce Band under the Musical Direction of Flight Lieutenant Aaron Michael, arrangement by Leading Aircraftman Niels Rosendahl. Featuring First Nations musicians: (Navy) Leading Seaman Henry Burns (Torres Strait Islander, Saibai Island, Ayte Koedal Clan, Meriam Merr Language, Eastern Torres Straits): Lumut (Bamboo Drum) and Maber Sorr (Conch Shell). Seaman Nathaniel Denson(Kalau Lagau Ya Language, Top Western Torres Straits): Warrup (White Wooden Drum), Maber Sorr (Conch Shell). (Army) Private Kirra Grimes (Bunuba/Naaguja Yamatji): Kulap (Shakers); (Air Force) Flight Lieutenant Tjapukai Shaw (Wiradjuri): Didgeridoo and Flight Lieutenant Aimee McCartney (Taungurung/Bunurong/Wotjobaluk): Clap sticks and Kulap (Shakers). Used with kind permission. Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Special thanks: Uncle Frank Lampard for his generous time and interview, and also to his wife Sandra for her continuing support. Thank you: Aboriginal Veterans SA, Ian Smith, Hugh Fenton and Chaplain Patrick Boyle; LAC Brodie Macintyre; Chris Latham; Fleur Griffiths, ABC Library Sales; Sandy Rippingale, ALP National Secretariat; Siobhan Dee, NFSA; Greta Wass, Australian War Memorial; Richard Brennan, filmmaker; Leading Seaman Musician Jonathan Rendell, Royal Australian Navy Band; SGT. Dr. Ralph Whiteoak, Royal Australian Airforce Band and Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet; Dr. Peter Yule, Justin Brown and the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Laura Thomas, and Katrina Nicholson, curator of For Kin & Country. See the For Kin & Country exhibition now at the Shrine of Remembrance, Melbourne, until April 2023. /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/22861628

Love letters from War - Doug Heywood OAM 03/20/2022

Lust, Love, Loss Conversations: Julia & Jai 02/13/2022

Lust, Love, Loss Conversations: Julia & Jai Lust, Love, Loss: Conversations is a three-part series produced by renowned broadcaster Megan Spencer that delves deep into stories of Australian wartime relationships. This episode follows the story of Julia and Jai Michel, who in the nine years they've known each other have spent three and a half living in the same place. Julia has navigated the trials and tribulations of organising a wedding, buying a house and weathering a pandemic all with limited communication to her husband. Listen as she unpacks life as a contemporary defence partner and explains how she kept her relationship going despite the distance while helping others do the same. Credits This podcast has been produced for the Shrine of Remembrance to accompany the Lust, Love, Loss exhibition (1 December 2021 – 1 November 2022). Speaker: Julia Michel Actor: Jai Michel Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Archival sound 'Children's Christmas party and messages to Vietnam 1968', Australian War Memorial Collection, Accession No. Accession No: F04721. Item copyright held by the Australian War Memorial ©, licensed under Creative Commons and used with kind permission. ‘Kentucky Fried Chicken - Hugo & Hill’ (1975, New Zealand) by Groove Myers. Reasonable attempts were made to identify the copyright owner of this audio material. If you have any information please contact Sue Burgess at the Shrine. Thank you to Grant Gillanders at Frenzy Music for his assistance. Music Original ‘Lovestruck’ music by Philip Brophy. Performed by Bill McDonald (bass), Dan Luscombe (guitars), Garrett Costigan (pedal steel), Sianna Lee (vocals) and Philip Brophy (drums). Audio mastering Kris Keogh Special thanks Julia Michel for her time and the generous interview, and to Jai Michel. Julia is the founder of the on Facebook Her blog is Thank you Beck Rayner, producer of the Military Life community and podcast (formerly ‘Military Wife Life’) and founder of the National Defence Partner Round Table (Julia is a speaker in the October 15, 2021 edition). You can also hear Julia speak more about hers and Jai’s experience as an MWDU couple on Episodes 83 and 114 of Beck’s podcast. Find it at and on The Shrine team: Leigh Gilbert, Tessa Occhino, Sue Burgess and Neil Sharkey, curator of the Lust, Love, Loss exhibition. See it at the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne until November 2022. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Support If this interview raises any issues for you, please contact: Lifeline Australia on 13 11 14 Open Arms (formerly VVCS) - Veterans & Families Counselling on 1800 011 046 or on their Episode duration One hour /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/21991433

Lust, Love, Loss Conversations: Tanja and Mark 02/13/2022

Lust, Love, Loss Conversations: Tanja and Mark Lust, Love, Loss: Conversations is a three-part series produced by renowned broadcaster Megan Spencer that delves deep into three stories of Australian wartime relationships. For Tanja and Mark Johnston, what started as a chance meeting on the stoop of a share house in Toowoomba evolved into a relationship filled with letter writing, 90s mix tapes and good dose of humour. The couple combined Tanja’s love of art and Mark’s experience in the Army to co-create ANVAM – the Australian National Veterans Art Museum – which helps promote veteran wellbeing though art programs. This episode of Lust, Love, Loss follows their story from the stoop to the studio, and what it was like founding this cherished veteran’s organisation together. Credits This podcast has been produced for the Shrine of Remembrance to accompany the Lust, Love, Loss exhibition (1 December 2021 – 1 November 2022). Speakers: Tanja Johnston, Mark Johnston. Letters: read by Tanja and Mark Johnston Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Archival sound: “Bougainville (Australian Peace Monitoring Group), Adrian Boland reporter, Ten News, December 1998”. 10X Media Group/Ten Network Australia Home videos: Tanja and Mark Johnston. Music: Original ‘Lovestruck’ music by Philip Brophy. Performed by Bill McDonald (bass), Dan Luscombe (guitars), Garrett Costigan (pedal steel), Sianna Lee (vocals) and Philip Brophy (drums). Audio mastering: Kris Keogh Tape transfers: Fleurieu Multimedia Special thanks: Mark and Tanja Johnston for their generous interviews, and for sharing their letters and home video audio for use in this podcast. Tanja and Mark are the co-founders of ANVAM, the Australian National Veterans Arts Museum (ANVAM), located at 312 St. Kilda Road, Southbank. Find out more about what they do – and how you can support them – by visiting and follow them at , and . Their annual is on at the St. Kilda Road space from Sunday 13 March – Sunday 1 May, 2022. This year’s theme is ‘Voice’. Thank you: Judy Toohey at 10X Media Group for assistance, Liz Boulton, Gary Juleff and the Shrine team: Sue Burgess, Leigh Gilbert, Tessa Occhino, Laura Thomas and Neil Sharkey, curator of Lust. Love. Loss. See the exhibition at the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne until November 2022. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of individual contributors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Shrine of Remembrance. Support: If this interview raises any issues for you, please contact: Lifeline Australia on 13 11 14 Open Arms (formerly VVCS) - Veterans & Families Counselling on 1800 011 046 or on their Episode duration: 59:33 Please note that this episode was recorded in late 2021, around the time of the final withdrawal of Australian forces from Afghanistan. /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/22082969

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The Long Shadow: An Interview with Peter Yule 04/23/2021

The Long Shadow: An Interview with Peter Yule The Shrine of Remembrance acknowledges Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the Traditional Custodians of the land on which we honour Australian service men and women, and we pay our respects to Elders, past, present and emerging. Please note that the audio does contain some sound effects of war, protest and discussion around suicide. -- In this podcast, an interview with independent historian Dr. Peter Yule about ‘The Long Shadow: Australia's Vietnam Veterans Since the War’, a book that explores the medical, psychological and health legacies of the Vietnam War on Australia’s veteran community. Vietnam veterans are still our biggest, recognisable veteran cohort, also regarded as today’s ‘keepers of ANZAC’. Peter Yule is a research fellow in the School of Historical and Philosophical Studies at the University of Melbourne. He is interviewed by Megan Spencer, a broadcaster and podcast producer with a particular interest in remembrance and the impact of military service. At almost 700 pages, ‘The Long Shadow’ is a broad, detailed and compelling study of the specific and unique experiences faced by Vietnam veterans involved in Australia’s most socially and politically divisive overseas war to date - and its very human cost. In researching and writing the book, Peter says that the only stipulation given to him editorially “was to make sure the voice of the veterans was heard”. It includes powerful insights from Vietnam veterans, their family members, medical experts, veteran advocates and others. As one reviewer wrote, ‘The Long Shadow’ addresses “deficiencies of past studies’ failure to engage with the lived experience of veterans”. ‘The Long Shadow’ was commissioned by the Australian War Memorial and is published by New South Publishing. It was published on the 1st of November, 2020. Megan interviewed Peter just after it’s publication, in early December 2020. -- Credits Speaker: Peter Yule Interviewer/Producer/Sound: Megan Spencer. Archival sounds: ‘Action in Vietnam 1966’. Audio supplied by the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia’s Film Australia Collection. ‘Or Forever Hold Your Peace’ (1970). Audio supplied by the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia’s Australian Screen Collection and used with kind permission from Richard Brennan. 'Christmas messages 1968, Victorian version DPR/TV/Soldiers greetings from Vietnam'. Australian War Memorial Collection, Accession No. F04694. Item copyright held by the Australian War Memorial ©, licensed under Creative Commons and used with kind permission. Special thanks to: Dr. Peter Yule for his time and for the generous interview. Thank you: Greta Wass (AWM) Naomi Wanner (NFSA) Richard Brennan (Or Forever Hold Your Peace) Jez Conlon (Ho Chi Minh City sounds) Kris Keogh Dr. Karl James Michael Kelly Anne Yule Oliver Budack A commemorative and educational podcast made for the Shrine of Remembrance. This interview is dedicated to Australia’s Vietnam veterans and their families. More about Dr. Peter Yule More about New South Publishing More about Tom Frame and his work on moral injury More about Megan Spencer Disclaimer The speakers’ view are their own and while all reasonable attempts are made to avoid inaccuracy, interviews should not necessarily be understood as statements of fact or opinions endorsed by the Shrine of Remembrance. If this interview raises any issues for you, please contact: Lifeline Australia on Open Arms (formerly VVCS) - Veterans & Families Counselling on website ADF Mental Health All-hours Support Line on Interview duration: 52:39 © 2021 All Rights Reserved. /episode/index/show/shrineofremembrance/id/18820049

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