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Jason de Sousa Show with Ambassador Arto Haapea: Finland's Voice in the Pacific
11/06/2025
Jason de Sousa Show with Ambassador Arto Haapea: Finland's Voice in the Pacific
In this episode, Jason de Sousa speaks with Arto Haapea, Finland’s Ambassador to Australia and the Pacific, about the evolving role of small, resilient nations in an uncertain global landscape. From its population of just over five million, Finland has built a reputation for stability, innovation, and principled diplomacy. Arto discusses Finland’s economic strengths, its people’s quiet determination, and how a strong sense of civic trust has shaped its modern success. With a long land border shared with Russia, Finland’s recent entry into NATO marks a significant moment in European security. Arto offers his perspective on the shifting dynamics between Russia, Ukraine, and the West — and how Finland sees its role as both mediator and defender of democratic values. The conversation also explores the broader challenges facing Europe: rising debt, political uncertainty, and a changing relationship with the United States. How does Finland maintain its voice within the European Union during such a volatile period? Turning closer to home, Jason and Arto unpack the growing relationship between Finland and Australia — from investment in infrastructure and renewable energy to collaboration in technology and innovation. Arto reflects on his travels across the country, his participation in the Sh*tbox Rally, and the goals he hopes to achieve during his tenure. This is a discussion about resilience, diplomacy, and the quiet power of nations that lead by example. Listen and subscribe at: Spotify here: Apple Podcasts here: Youtube: E-mail us at smartercitiespod@gmail.com
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