The Becoming Podcast
Welcome to The Becoming Podcast, where we talk about modern-day rites of passage, radical transformation, and other times of becoming in our lives...and how these times can be a catalyst to become more of who you are. Hosted by coach, doula + author Jessie Harrold.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 5 | Renée Hartleib on walking the Camino, and the devastating housefire she returned to
07/04/2025
The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 5 | Renée Hartleib on walking the Camino, and the devastating housefire she returned to
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 4 | Cindy DiTiberio on motherhood, divorce + how psychedelics helped her find her voice
05/10/2025
The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 4 | Cindy DiTiberio on motherhood, divorce + how psychedelics helped her find her voice
Welcome back to another episode of The Becoming Podcast, all! I'm delighted to bring you my conversation with writer Cindy DiTiberio today. I've been following Cindy's work on her Substack, The Mother Lode, for quite a while now, and I know you're going to love our conversation. So many of my clients and the women I connect with are experiencing – or thinking about – the end of their intimate partnerships, and I think Cindy's wisdom will really resonate with you. This episode is especially for you if it's your transition into motherhood that has instigated a reckoning in your relationship. Here's some of what we talked about in our conversation: > How MDMA therapy helped Cindy know that she needed to leave her marriage. > What so often happens to relationships when a couple has a baby. We talk about everything from sex to paternity leave to caregiving and the mental load. > The feeling of being trapped by oppressive systems of capitalism and patriarchy and how heterosexual couples often end up in traditional, gendered roles without ever intending to. We talk about the role of internalized patriarchy, the devaluing of women's time, and how both Cindy and I (and so many other mothers we know) ended up squeezing our full time work into part time hours so we could also be primary caregivers. > How personal growth journeys – whether that's into deeper spiritual paths or into a feminist awakening – can cause couples to drift apart. > How the pandemic awakened our culture to the many ways modern hetero partnership has failed women and mothers. I think you're going to love my conversation with Cindy. I think it's so relatable for so many of us who are mothering and perhaps grappling with how to navigate our relationships, whether they're ending or evolving.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 3 | Enfys J. Book on queer rites of passage + honouring your milestones with pride
03/25/2025
The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 3 | Enfys J. Book on queer rites of passage + honouring your milestones with pride
Welcome all! I'm really excited to introduce you to Enfys J. Book on the Becoming podcast today. I came across Enfys' new book Queer Rites: A Magickal Grimoire to Honor Your Milestones with Pride in a random search for other folks who were just as nerdy about rites of passage as I am. I really loved getting to know them and the conversation we had was just so rich. In this episode, Enfys and I touch on: > The lack of rites of passage for queer folk, and how deeply gendered so many of our "traditional" rites of passage are > How rites of passage are like "anchors to the self." I love the way Enfys described this > The name change ritual that inspired Enfys to write Queer Rites > The pros and cons of labeling our identities, and how we can get more comfortable with the ways in which our identities evolve and change as we do > What makes a ritual "work" and be effective > How queer rites of passage are an act of resistance
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 2 | Ruth Allen on how earth's deep wisdom can help us endure life's storms
02/26/2025
The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 2 | Ruth Allen on how earth's deep wisdom can help us endure life's storms
Hello beautiful ones, and welcome back to The Becoming Podcast. Today on the show I am thrilled to introduce you to Ruth Allen. I have been following (and loving) Ruth's work for a number of years, and I've absolutely loved her two books, Grounded and Weathering. Her work and her writing has deeply shaped the way I think about the natural world and the way I move my body through it. Let me formally introduce Ruth: Ruth is a writer, embodied psychotherapist and facilitator working primarily outdoors in landscape, and online. Combining her background in geology, with innovative body-based and creative techniques drawing on a multitude of teachings and influences, she offers therapy, mentoring, workshops, classes and adventure retreats - all practical, slow magic - designed to help others connect with their bodies and the rest of nature through depth-full enquiry and practices that deepen our capacity to listen, for the greater whole-health of planet and people. Some of the things Ruth and I talk about on the show are: > The resourcing we can access through witnessing the natural cycles and seasons of the natural world – and also how that is being impacted by climate change. > How to be in relationship with the earth as both a benevolent and even maternal entity – as well as one with the potential for destruction. We talk about the parallels between the concepts of the "ever-giving mother" and the "ever-giving planet," and how both ideologies seem to make those who nurture us vulnerable to exploitation. > What we can learn from rocks as allies in times of change in our lives and in the collective. Ruth talks about the concept of weathering and erosion as being inevitable parts of the process of growth and rising, both for ourselves and our rock kin. > The challenge of extending our ideas about animacy to the seemingly inanimate: rocks. Ruth beautifully hypothesizes that if we can see rock as kin and choose to be in a caring relationship with them, then we can see anyone as kin and care for them just the same. > How Ruth engages in reciprocity with the natural world. And truly, truly so much more! If you're curious about how you might be in deeper connection with the living world and perhaps how that connection might support you through times of weathering in your life, this episode is for you.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 1 | Carmen Spagnola on practical magic for turbulent times
01/22/2025
The Becoming Podcast | Season 7; Episode 1 | Carmen Spagnola on practical magic for turbulent times
Hello beautiful ones! The Becoming Podcast is returning after a somewhat unplanned hiatus, brought to you by Getting Pneumonia A Week After Launching My Book! But here we are again, and I couldn't be more delighted to be welcoming Carmen Spagnola as my first guest of 2025. Carmen has been a friend, colleague and teacher of mine for many years now, and she has just released her latest book, Spells for the Apocalypse: Practical Magic for Turbulent Times, and, given the events of the past few weeks in our world, the timing of this important work couldn't be more auspicious. Before I dive in, let me tell you a little bit about Carmen: Carmen teaches about animism, folk magic, witchcraft, ritual and ancestral knowledge related to land and seasons. She cross-pollinates somatics, attachment, collapse awareness, intersectional feminism, and kinship with the More Than Human in her work as a trauma resolution practitioner. Carmen is the author of The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes and Rituals for the Wheel of the Year, which teaches folklore and spellcraft for the solstices, equinoxes, and half-way points between, based on her training in culinary arts at Le Cordon Bleu Paris. Carmen's professional study includes extensive training in hypnotherapy, interpersonal neurobiology, somatic psychology, mood and personality disorder support, and client-centred assistance for neurodivergent adults, youth, and their caregivers. She is constantly researching current promising practices to provide psychoemotional care and nervous system reconditioning support for people with chronic or episodic disability, with special attention to autoimmunity, dysautonomia, and long COVID. She holds provider certifications for Dynamic Attachment Re-Patterning, The Safe and Sound Protocol, Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercise, The Resilience Toolkit, and Clinical Hypnotherapy. Her spiritual healing repertoire includes numerous certificates spanning a twenty-five year exploration of trance work, regression therapy, energy work, shamanistic practices, systemic constellations, divination, herbalism, kitchen witchery, cultural conservation and ancestral veneration practices, and wilderness quest. Here's some of what we talk about in this episode: What is collapse – both personal and collective. Carmen beautifully names the thing that we all know, now, in our bones, to be true. The power of ritual to soothe, mobilize and transform us when there's nothing else you can *do* in the face of predicament and chaos How Carmen's new book, Spells for the Apocalypse, supports us to feel more skillful, resourced and resilient in times of personal and collective collapse The "gift and the task" of Carmen's personal Quest experience – aka, the promise it would kill her to break How Carmen is coping with grief and rage these days. This is the question Carmen asks everyone on her podcast, the Numinous Podcast, and I was really keen to turn her own question back to her. As she always does, even in the deeply challenging times she's experiencing right now, Carmen models how we might work with grief and rage in meaningful and supportive ways. Carmen and I talk about so, so much more, including our shared experiences of going on Quest, the rituals I did during my own personal time of collapse, what happens when an animist moves to a different ecosystem, and more. I hope you love listening to this episode with Carmen as much as I loved recording it with her!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 7 | Mara Glatzel and Becca Piastrelli interview me about the launch of Mothershift
11/05/2024
The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 7 | Mara Glatzel and Becca Piastrelli interview me about the launch of Mothershift
Hello beautiful ones! I've somehow taken a bit of an unexpected hiatus from the podcast lately, but I'm really, really delighted to share a new episode with you today. It's a super fun and beautiful conversation between three friends – myself, Mara Glatzel and Becca Piastrelli. In this episode, we're turning the tables and Mara and Becca are interviewing ME about the launch of my upcoming book, If you aren't familiar with Mara and Becca, let me tell you a little bit about them first! is a coach, podcast host and author of the book Needy: How to advocate for your needs and claim your sovereignty and is a community gatherer and women's circle facilitator, podcast host and author of the book Root and Ritual: Timeless ways to connect with land, lineage, community and the self. These two are friends with each other and they've been my friends for quite a number of years now, and they have been *tireless* champions for Mothershift and my work. Becca is also an alumni of my . They both played a key role in my ability to get a book deal for Mothershift, and for that I will be endlessly grateful. In this episode, Mara and Becca and I talk about: > Why I wrote Mothershift and why this book is so important right now. You'll hear me talk about how I feel like I'm this book's doula, and how easy it's been to share the messages that it holds. > Why "the mothers aren't all right," including my perspective on the US Surgeon General's advisory on the mental health of parents. We talk about the modern conditions that are particularly challenging for mothers as well as parts of the rite of passage into motherhood that have been difficult – but also filled with potential – since time immemorial. > Our relationship with social media, about how it has become a surrogate for the witnessing we need as we step into motherhood, and whether or not we're actually ever seeing the *real* truth about anyone's experience of mothering. > Is postpartum forever? We speculate how many years it takes to feel fully embodied in your experience of motherhood. > The role of ritual in supporting and uplifting our matrescence experiences. I do hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we loved recording it, and that it gives you a special sneak peek into the writing of Mothershift.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 6 | Asha Frost on the medicine of transformative times, the miracle of rest, and being eldered by the living world
06/24/2024
The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 6 | Asha Frost on the medicine of transformative times, the miracle of rest, and being eldered by the living world
My friends! I'm really excited to share this interview with the amazing Asha Frost. We had such a beautiful conversation, and Asha has so much wisdom to share, and does so eloquently. Here's some of what Asha and I talk about in this episode: > How Asha's Lupus diagnosis was a threshold moment in her life that made it impossible to keep up with the demands of our modern, capitalist, patriarchal, white supremacist culture – and how she continues to practice slowing down. > The relationship between worthiness and productivity, and the paradox that creativity and "success" often flourish after periods of meaningful rest. As Asha so beautifully phrases, "miracles are born from rest." > Asha shares some of her experiences of her matrescence – her rite of passage into motherhood. > The potential that transformative times in our lives offer to invite us to divest from and disrupt dominant culture. > Elderhood and the elder medicine that lives in all of us, including our non-human kin. Asha and I share our love of herons as elders, and gush over the beauty of her new Animal Elder deck. > Cultural appropriation in the rites of passage space – and how, while it's unacceptable, it comes from our collective desire for meaningful ritual and ceremony to mark these transformative times in our lives.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 5 | Sarah Wildeman on the radical art of building community + nourishing ecosystems of care
05/27/2024
The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 5 | Sarah Wildeman on the radical art of building community + nourishing ecosystems of care
I'm thrilled to bring you this conversation with Sarah Wildeman on the Becoming Podcast this month. This was such a rich and far-reaching dialogue about all things community-building, which is such an important locus of support – and also struggle – as we traverse times of deep change in our lives. Here's some of what Sarah and I talk about in this episode: > The life-and-death threshold where Sarah learned what it was like to be doing life with people – and where she found the inspiration for a lot of her work now > What it was like living in an intentional community with her family, and how she experienced "the village" firsthand > How "the loss of the village" is not a universal experience, and is actually one that often walks hand-in-hand with the hyper-individualism that comes alongside many cultural privileges > Practical and philosophical wisdom about how to build community, including how asking for help is actually an act of great generosity, how to make your needs known (and identify them in the first place), how to create capacity and room in your life to make community a priority, and how to powerfully invite folks into relationships and gatherings > How hard it is to build community in a season of need in your life > Attachment styles and introversion / extroversion and how they relate to re-villaging > The idea of "tolerating" community and committing to relationship tending even when it's hard, or even when it's not what you'd prefer to be doing I hope you enjoy this interview as much as I did, and that you're able to find some real wisdom and practical support that will help you expand and deepen your community connections. Enjoy!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 4 | Danielle Cohen on photography as a rite of passage and the medicine of being fully seen
05/07/2024
The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 4 | Danielle Cohen on photography as a rite of passage and the medicine of being fully seen
Hello, friend! I'm really excited to share my conversation with Danielle Cohen with you. If you're a mother, an entrepreneur, a multi-passionate human, or have ever been on either side of a camera, this episode is a must-listen. First, let me tell you a little bit about Danielle. Danielle Cohen is a & with a unique talent for helping others step into and offer their greatest work. Spanning two decades, her career includes work as a doula, healer, teacher, business consultant, publisher, art director, mentor, and photographer. Known for her keen insights, potent intuition, truth-telling, and her powerful approach to & visuals, Danielle has who are forces for good in our world. Her photographs have been featured in magazines, on book covers, as well as on prominent websites, marketing campaigns, and online courses. Here's some of what Danielle and I talk about in this episode: > Being a multi-passionate human and entrepreneur. Honestly, if you've got a bio that reads a bit like Danielle's or if you're a coach / doula / author / wilderness quest guide like me, this conversation is going to make you feel so much less alone, and so well-supported. > How photography helped Danielle heal some of the cultural messaging she received as a young mother > How photography can play an important role in a rite of passage, especially because traversing a rite of passage well usually includes being witnessed in the transformation you're navigating. > How to ritualize photo shoots to allow them to offer the fullest visibility medicine they have the potential to offer > Authenticity and performance in the context of photography and being visible – and how they're not necessarily mutually exclusive > The somatics of visibility and what happened to my body in my latest photoshoot > And then, honestly? Danielle offers an amazing mini-mastermind for any entrepreneur who's visible in the world, especially through photographs. This is SUCH a rich and wide-ranging conversation: there literally is something in this episode for everyone. I hope you enjoy getting to know Danielle and hearing her wisdom as much as I did!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 3 | Glenda Goodrich on authenticity in midlife, creative rites of passage, wilderness questing + becoming your own spiritual authority
04/02/2024
The Becoming Podcast | Season 6; Episode 3 | Glenda Goodrich on authenticity in midlife, creative rites of passage, wilderness questing + becoming your own spiritual authority
Hello, friend! I'm delighted to share this month's Becoming Podcast episode with you. In it, I interview artist and fellow wilderness quester Glenda Goodrich. Glenda is an artist, art doula, SoulCollage® facilitator, writer, and convener of ceremony. She brings together earth-based rituals, community gatherings, and creative expression in a search for new ways to show love for the Earth. Here's some of what Glenda and I talk about in this episode: > How creativity can support us during rites of passage and times of transition in our lives > How Glenda embraced her own creativity in midlife after a powerful wilderness Quest experience, and how stepping into creativity can be a rite of passage unto itself > The call that the midlife transition offers us to live more authentically > Glenda and I each share some powerful wilderness Quest stories, as well as some of the challenges entangled in embarking on the ritual of Quest > What it is to become your own spiritual authority, and how that can be a journey that is both grief-filled and beautiful > What it means to create authentic, deeply meaningful ritual
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 6, Episode 2 | Megan Sheldon on ceremony, grief, and honouring seemingly invisible moments of change
02/27/2024
The Becoming Podcast | Season 6, Episode 2 | Megan Sheldon on ceremony, grief, and honouring seemingly invisible moments of change
I'm really excited to share with you my interview with Megan Sheldon. Megan and I connected through the magic of Instagram a few years ago, and we've recently enjoyed a couple of conversations sharing lots of professional and personal commonalities. Megan holds a tremendous amount of wisdom around grief work, ritual and ceremony, and I'm delighted to have her on the show. Here's some of what Megan and I talk about in this episode: > How engaging with ritual called Megan early on in her life, as well as the origin story of the Be Ceremonial app. > Ritual and spirituality: can you have one without the other? > Many beautiful stories of rituals and ceremonies Megan has facilitated, including funerals, miscarriage and abortion rituals, rituals during illness, and many inspiring and touching others. > The permission we give ourselves – or don't – to grieve and ritualize seemingly invisible moments and turning points in our lives. > Thinking outside the box when it comes to ritual (and breaking a few rules along the way!). > The tender awkwardness of creating ritual for yourself, your family and your community, even when you're new to the practice yourself
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 6, Episode 1 | Annie Bray on burnout, caregiving, and finding possibility in impossible times
01/31/2024
The Becoming Podcast | Season 6, Episode 1 | Annie Bray on burnout, caregiving, and finding possibility in impossible times
I'm delighted to share with you that The Becoming Podcast is back for its 6th season (wow!) and that I've got a full and rich lineup of guests to share with you this year! The first is my dear friend Annie Bray. There were a lot of different titles I could have given this podcast and "Deep Conversation Between Two Brilliant Midlife Friends About The Complexity of Life" was right up there. After we finished this interview, Annie and I chuckled that listening in would be a lot like being welcomed as an eavesdropper in the kind of conversation we might be having anyway, over a cup of tea by a roaring fire, if only we lived in the same city. Our conversation – and our whole friendship – just feels so human. And so if that sounds like a dose of good medicine for you, I invite you to tune in. Here's some of what Annie and I talk about in this episode: > The paradox that traversing times of radical transformation in your life is deeply dysregulating, but that being able to regulate your nervous system is necessary to navigating these times with more ease. > How having a "regulated" nervous system has also been weaponized – particularly against women – and can be conflated with being well behaved or put together. > How our modern perspective of the nervous system is reflective of our culture's individualism, and how we've forgotten the importance of co-regulation with other humans, the more-than-human and the numinous. > How to show up anyway even when you aren't "regulated" or don't have capacity. Annie and I share a tender moment about how I recently asked for her support, and what it means to hold each other through impossible times that, in the world we're living in, don't look to be getting any easier.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 7 | Lucy Jones on the metamorphosis of pregnancy, birth and motherhood
09/19/2023
The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 7 | Lucy Jones on the metamorphosis of pregnancy, birth and motherhood
Hello beautiful ones! I am so excited to share this month's interview with Lucy Jones with you. I think it might be one of my favourite episodes ever: our conversation was so rich and so full of the kinds of things I think we *really* need to be talking about when it comes to matrescence and motherhood. I started following Lucy in the early days of writing her new book, Matrescence: On the Metamorphosis of Pregnancy, Childbirth and Motherhood. I was totally captivated by the ecological lens she applied to the transition to motherhood. It was so much like my own perpsective and experience that I felt I'd found a kindred spirit. Lucy's book is one of the first on the experience of matrescence, and it is a raw and riveting account of her own metamorphosis as well as a cultural critique about modern motherhood. As we near the close of registration for the 2023 Season of and , I'm delighted to be able to share this conversation with the many of you who are also walking this path of matrescence and matrescence-support. Here's some of what Lucy and I talk about in this episode: > The rarely spoken-of and yet increasingly common ecological awakening that so many new mothers have – and Lucy's personal experience of leaning into her relationship with the living world as she traversed her own matrescence. > The things no one ever fucking told us about motherhood, including the societal expectations of motherhood versus the realities so many of us face. We talk about ideologies around birth and mothering and how they deny us the opportunity to feel "normal" in these richly complex and usually paradoxical experiences. > The absence of modern-day rite and ritual to support us through matrescence, and how we must engage in the act of culture creation in order to reclaim these. > How liberal feminism lets mothers down, and how motherhood revolutionizes our relationship with work (and capitalism). > The untapped power of matrescence to radicalize us and poise us to advocate for social change (the biggest FUCK YES of this whole episode!). I loved this interview so much, and I hope you enjoy tuning in!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 6 | Heng Ou and Marisa Belger on The Essential Art of Mothering the New Mother
08/21/2023
The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 6 | Heng Ou and Marisa Belger on The Essential Art of Mothering the New Mother
Hello beautiful ones! I am so excited to share this month's interview with Heng Ou and Marisa Belger with you. They are the authors of , which was a groundbreaking book for so many new mothers and postpartum professionals. To say I was delighted to be able to connect with these two amazing women is the understatement of the year! Especially as we approach the launch of the 2023 Season of and , this conversation is so rich and filled with wisdom for mamas and their support people alike. Here's some of what Heng, Marisa and I talk about in this episode: > What is true now, for both Heng and Marisa, seven years after their bestselling book The First Forty Days was published. We talk about what has changed and how, in some ways, we're only just beginning. > What happens when we take the traditions of the first forty days and insert them into a capitalist, patriarchal, white supremacist culture – and how having the "perfect postpartum" is another myth that many mothers can become trapped in. > How we try to tame the wildness and unpredictability of pregnancy, birth and motherhood, and how to sit in the unknowns we face during these times. > The intuition that new motherhood gives us access to, how "maternal instinct" has been weaponized against mothers, and how listening to your intuition doesn't necessarily mean you'll always get it right. > What happens to mothers' sense of identity and self-worth when they find themselves dramatically slowing down in the first forty days. > How mothers' relationship with food and their bodies shifts and changes over the course of pregnancy, birth, postpartum and matrescence. I loved this interview so much, and Heng and Marisa have an incredible wealth of wisdom to share. I hope you enjoy tuning in!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 5 | Mimi Young on intuition, animacy + collaborating with Mystery during transformative times
07/26/2023
The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 5 | Mimi Young on intuition, animacy + collaborating with Mystery during transformative times
Hello beautiful ones! I am so excited to bring you this month's episode of The Becoming Podcast with Mimi Young. Mimi Young is a Taiwanese Canadian animist spirit medium and the founder of Ceremonie, an esoteric brand focused on conversations around greater intuition and creativity, animism, and realigning with our deeper purpose. Mimi works at the intersection of animism and wu shamanism, practical magick, tea kinship, and other Chinese mystic practices to communicate with the Unseen, offering private readings, education and mentorship, and made-to-order skin and aura care. Mimi has held space globally in her Mystery Mentorship program and retreats, as well as collaboratively with brands including Goop, Almost 30, Spirit House Collective, and Tokyo Smoke. She currently holds an online coven space, Homing Coven, open to all who desire to walk closely with the Seen and Unseen. Here's some of what Mimi and I talk about in this episode: > Failure as a confrontation with death that ultimately makes us more human and divine > How to suspend your disbelief and follow your intuition in a hyper-rational world > Animism and working with tea as an ally > How we clutch exogenous sources of intuition like tarot and astrology when we're traversing the unknown, and what to do instead > How the wisdom of the 5 Chinese Elements can support us to thrive in liminal space > How motherhood sparked Mimi's intuition – and how this plays out for so many mothers > The link between creativity and intuition, and the animacy and mystery of Creative Force And so much more. This was such a rich and wide-reaching conversation, and Mimi is so incredibly well-spoken and wise. We had fun, too, and laughed a lot! I hope you enjoy getting to know Mimi as much as I did in this episode.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 4 | Toko-pa Turner on belonging during polarizing times, revillaging for the under-resourced, and finding our place in the greater family of things
06/28/2023
The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 4 | Toko-pa Turner on belonging during polarizing times, revillaging for the under-resourced, and finding our place in the greater family of things
The Becoming Podcast has been on a short hiatus while I focus on , but oh what a comeback episode I have for you! This month, I spoke to Toko-pa Turner, who many of you may know as the unofficial patron saint of many of my circles and gatherings because of the sheer number of times I've quoted from the wisdom of her book, Belonging. Toko-pa is a Canadian author, teacher, and dreamworker. Blending the mystical teachings of Sufism in which she was raised with a Jungian approach to dreams, she founded The Dream School in 2001, from which thousands of students have graduated. She is the author of the award-winning book, Belonging: Remembering Ourselves Home, which explores the themes of exile and belonging through the lens of dreams, mythology, and nature. This book has resonated for readers worldwide, and has been translated into 10 different languages so far. Her work focuses on the relationship between psyche and nature, and how to follow our inner wisdom to meet with the social, psychological, and ecological challenges of our time. Here's some of what Toko-pa and I talk about in this episode: > The dream that changed Toko-pa's life, causing her to question her career and, ultimately, her identity > How we can court our dreams to support us during times of radical transformation – and the reasons so many of us have a hard time remembering and working with what shows up in our dreamscape > Toko-pa's perspective on the message of Belonging after the divisiveness our society has experienced in the years since it was published > What happened for both Toko-pa and I when we fell out of belonging from the ideologies of the "wellness world" > How to build community when you're under-resourced > "The Big Lie" when it comes to belonging, and how we can reclaim a sense of belonging to the greater family of things, as Mary Oliver so famously wrote
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 3 | Day Schildkret on how to create rituals that honour times of loss, celebration and change
03/27/2023
The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 3 | Day Schildkret on how to create rituals that honour times of loss, celebration and change
Welcome to the third episode of the 2023 season of the Becoming Podcast! On this month's show, I had the great pleasure of having a conversation with Day Schildkret. I was first introduced to Day's work many years ago when a friend recommended I check out his book, Morning Altars. Now, Day has written Hello Goodbye, a "recipe book" of rituals, that shares wisdom about how we can more meaningfully honour the hellos, goodbyes and other transitions in our lives. Here’s some of what Day and I talked about in this episode: > Two massive catalyzing moments that Day experienced in one year, and the choice we have to make meaning of the threshold moments in our lives – or not. > The key components that need to be a part of every ritual in order for it to be successful. > The intangible, magical qualities of ritual and how we in our culture are inclined to "assassinate mystery with answers," rather than allowing the mystery of ritual to unfold. > The importance of having our rituals witnessed, and how to choose good witnesses. And those are just the highlights! I hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as I enjoyed recording it!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 2 | Jennifer Garvey Berger on the science of adult development + how to allow transformative times to grow you
02/28/2023
The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 2 | Jennifer Garvey Berger on the science of adult development + how to allow transformative times to grow you
Welcome to the second episode of the 2023 season of the Becoming Podcast! On today’s episode, I welcome Jennifer Garvey Berger, someone whose work I've been following for many years, and who I consider to be a valuable teacher of mine. I was so excited to nerd out with her about all things adult development psychology, neuroscience and complexity theory. Before we dive in, let me tell you a bit about Jennifer: The co-founder and CEO of Cultivating Leadership, Jennifer blends deep theoretical knowledge with a driving quest for practical ways to make leaders’ lives better. She coaches executives and executive teams, designs and teaches leadership programs. Jennifer has written three highly acclaimed books on leadership and complexity and how to grow the capacities we need for the world in which we live. She hopes her newly-released fourth book, Unleash Your Complexity Genius, will change your life. When she’s not working with clients and colleagues, you can find her in the French countryside, where she has bought a house with eleven friends who live in community and try to keep the dog from terrifying the cats. Here’s some of what Jennifer and I talked about in this episode: > Jennifer's move to the south of France to a big house with eleven friends, and how re-defining and reclaiming community has grown her and challenged her. > A model of adult development psychology that I use to guide my work with clients and that Jennifer teaches so eloquently. It's all about this amazing shift from allowing the opinions of others to define our lives to taking up the pen and authoring our own rules of engagement. > Jennifer's new book, Unleashing your Complexity Genius, all about how we can grow the capacity of our nervous systems to be more resourceful and resilient in the face of change and complexity. > The surprisingly simple ways to increase your short term, medium term and long term capacity during transformational times – and how these things are actually sources of tremendous pleasure and joy. I hope you enjoy listening to this episode!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 1 | Mara Glatzel on honour your humanity, radical self-responsibility and letting the soft animal of your body love what it loves
02/03/2023
The Becoming Podcast | Season 5; Episode 1 | Mara Glatzel on honour your humanity, radical self-responsibility and letting the soft animal of your body love what it loves
Wow! I can't believe we're on season 5 of this podcast! That is 4 years and 36 joyful episodes I've had the pleasure of sharing with you! On today's episode, I welcome The Becoming Podcast's first repeat guest, my friend Mara Glatzel. ). If you don't already know Mara, she is an intuitive coach, writer, and podcast host. She is a needy human who helps other needy humans stop abandoning themselves and start reclaiming their humanity through embracing their needs and honoring their natural energy cycles. Here's some of what Mara and I talked about in this episode: > The publication of Mara's book – and a sneak preview into how she's attuning to her own energy + seasonal cycles as her February 28th launch date approaches. Mara beautifully models how tending to your needs and celebrating your successes is an evolving endeavour that even the "masters" among us will always be ever-mastering. > Grappling with the tension being "professional" and also being a human and caring for humans with oh-so-very human needs, and how it's a political statement to show up just as we are. > How seeing others' humanity begins with seeing, validating and tending to our own humanity. > Radical self-responsibility: the fact that you are the person most intimately familiar with your needs, and are therefore the only person who can really advocate for those needs to be met, by yourself or by those around you. > And a little treat for you at the end! I hope you enjoy listening to this episode! I'm so delighted to shout Mara's work from the rooftops because I think it's the foundation to any life transformation made well.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 11 | Sarah Vermunt on finding meaningful work and finding your way through career change
11/22/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 11 | Sarah Vermunt on finding meaningful work and finding your way through career change
I know so many of you will be excited to listen to this episode of the podcast with Sarah Vermunt. For almost all of the people I work with, career change ends up be the focus of or at least a part of their process of radical transformation. And that, my friends, is Sarah's speciality! Here's some of what Sarah and I talked about in this episode: > Sarah shares that she has a lot of clients experiencing severe burnout and that so many people are questioning the humanity of the ways we've been asked to show up to work. We also talk about how internalized some of our ways of working are, and that entrepreneurship isn't always "the answer" to our work woes. > The importance of getting clear on who you are and what matters most to you before embarking on career change (or any change!) so that you can step into your next path authentically. We talk about idealized notions of work like the "4 Hour Workweek" and digital nomadism, and how even though they look really great, they're not right for everyone. > How difficult the liminal space – the time of not knowing what you want or where you're headed in your work life – can be in our capitalist, patriarchal, supremacist society. > What the heck a Careergasm actually is, the many ways meaningful work can look for different folks in different phases of our lives, and how, despite what our culture says, none of it is wrong. > How to navigate being a multipotentialite in a world that tells us you have to "niche down," but also how to discern whether all your skills and abilities really need to be monetized. I hope you enjoy listening to this episode! Sarah has so much wisdom to share, and this was a truly fun conversation!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 10 | Kamya O'Keeffe on women's rites of passage and liberating your inner crone
10/25/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 10 | Kamya O'Keeffe on women's rites of passage and liberating your inner crone
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 9 | Sarah Durham Wilson on the rite of passage from maiden to mother, midlife, and other dangerous opportunities
09/27/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 9 | Sarah Durham Wilson on the rite of passage from maiden to mother, midlife, and other dangerous opportunities
Today on The Becoming Podcast, I'm sharing my conversation with Sarah Durham Wilson. This episode goes DEEP into the wisdom of the archetypes and how we are called to unearth the darkest, gnarliest parts of ourselves in order to fully become. My conversation with Sarah covers: > What the maiden and mother archetypes are, and how to know which one is playing out in your life at any given time > How Sarah is ever-undoing the patriarchal norms that she has internalized, and how we can do the same > What it means to become mature, or to become elders in training, and how that's different from just "getting older" > Honouring initiatory seasons in our lives (aka the dark times), and a reminder that the word "crisis" means dangerous opportunity. > How to discern sovereignty from toxic individualism > How Sarah's midlife crisis made her who she's been dying to be I hope you enjoy listening to this episode! Be sure to grab a pen and journal because Sarah drops some serious wisdom bombs, and they're not to be missed!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 8 | Molly Millwood on normalizing matrescence, how to survive the "baby bomb" in your intimate partnership, and reclaiming the power of postpartum
08/25/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 8 | Molly Millwood on normalizing matrescence, how to survive the "baby bomb" in your intimate partnership, and reclaiming the power of postpartum
I'm really excited to bring you my conversation with Molly Millwood, Ph.D., today. Molly's book, To Have and To Hold: Motherhood, Marriage and the Modern Dilemma, is, hands down, one of the best books on matrescence and maternal mental health that I've ever read....and I've definitely read them ALL. We share so many perspectives on this rite of passage in women's lives that I knew I had to have her on the show, and our time together definitely did not disappoint. First, let me tell you a little bit about Molly. She is a licensed psychologist, author, speaker, singer-songwriter, mother, wife, and devoted advocate for women’s mental health and wellbeing. She holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the University of Montana and completed a postdoctoral fellowship at Stanford University Medical Center. After balancing (or more accurately, never quite balancing) an academic career with a part-time psychotherapy practice for over 15 years, Molly now practices therapy full time. She works with adult individuals and couples, helping women rediscover themselves within the metamorphosis of motherhood and helping couples of all sorts improve their relational health. If you are a mother – especially if you're a mother in the first few years of your mothering journey, this episode is for you. Here are some of the things that Molly and I talked about: > The idea of losing yourself in motherhood, and Molly's personal experience of that....and also the opposite: of unearthing and reclaiming parts of herself after she became a mother that she didn't realize she had lost. > Both Molly and I share our own stories of connecting with a deeply creative part of ourselves in motherhood. > What the "modern dilemma" is and how Molly believes mothering is harder now than it has ever been. > Postpartum mental health, the postpartum depression paradox and normalizing the challenging aspects of matrescence. > The double-edged sword of social media for new mothers, the "mask of motherhood" and performative vulnerability. > The challenges that our intimate partnerships face when a baby arrives, how parenting widens the gender gap and is often hardest for people who've strived for equality in their relationships. I hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as I enjoyed speaking with Molly. We had an instant connection over so many shared ideas, which is obvious in this super-delightful conversation. Mamas, get ready to feel a lot less alone and a lot more normal.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 7 | Kimberly Ann Johnson on the postpartum revolution, women's nervous systems and reclaiming embodied power + authenticity
07/26/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 7 | Kimberly Ann Johnson on the postpartum revolution, women's nervous systems and reclaiming embodied power + authenticity
It’s my great pleasure to have Kimberly Ann Johnson join me for a rich and wide-ranging conversation on The Becoming Podcast this month. I’ve been following Kimberly’s work since her seminal book, The Fourth Trimester, rocked the worlds of mothers and birth workers alike when it was released five years ago. Since then, I’ve come to view Kimberly as someone who sees the connections between seemingly unrelated things and brings us insight and wisdom from intersections in the worlds of birth + postpartum wellness, somatics, sex and trauma. Here’s a little more about Kimberly: she is a Sexological Bodyworker, Somatic Experiencing practitioner, yoga teacher, postpartum advocate, and single mom. Working hands-on in integrative women’s health and trauma recovery for more than a decade, she helps women heal from birth injuries, gynecological surgeries, and sexual boundary violations. Kimberly is the author of the Call of the Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, and Use It for Good, as well as the early mothering classic The Fourth Trimester, and the upcoming co-authored book with Stephen Jenkinson, Reckoning. She is the host of the Sex Birth Trauma podcast. The conversation I had with Kimberly was so generously informative and thoughtful – I can’t wait to share it with you. We talked about: > Kimberly’s new book, Reckoning, co-authored with Stephen Jenkinson, on navigating grief in the times we’re living in. > How Kimberly’s first book, The Fourth Trimester, was truly a roadmap for the rite of passage into motherhood….and also what she feels are the necessary next steps in our culture’s approach to postpartum wellness. > How female nervous systems are unique, and how Kimberly’s recent book The Call of The Wild invites women to understand their nervous systems and learn what they need. Hint: it’s not more deep breaths and hot baths. > How learning the particular language of your nervous system allows you to experience deeper authenticity and power – even in circumstances, like birth, that are often vulnerable. > “Hold it” moments, and how we can metabolize important moments in our lives, no matter how tiny or tectonic their impact.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 6 | Amber Magnolia Hill on herbalism, rites of passage and what it means to be human upon the earth
06/29/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 6 | Amber Magnolia Hill on herbalism, rites of passage and what it means to be human upon the earth
Oh my friends, this month's episode of the Becoming Podcast is so special, in so many ways. First of all, I'm just going to come right out and say it: this is one of those fangirl episodes where I reach out to someone I adore and whose work I've been following for many, many years, and cross my fingers. It was such an honour to have Amber say an enthusiastic YES to my request, and to then have such a beautifully connecting, heartfelt conversation together. If you're not familiar with Amber and her work, here's what you should know: Amber is an herbalist, homesteader, and podcaster who is caretaking two daughters, four cats, and seven chickens on an herb farm in Northern California. She helps her online community remember what it is to be human upon the earth through earth and ancestor connection. Amber is the creator of the Mythic Medicinals line of herbal and mushroom medicines and the host of the Medicine Stories podcast. The conversation I had with Amber was rich, meandering and deeply thought-provoking. We talked about: > Amber's journey into motherhood and then into herbalism, and how that naturally led to a curiosity about ancestral lifeways > Evolutionary mismatch theory, and how modern life is both burning us out and waking us up > What it's like to parent in these times, where we often lack the traditional ways of knowing, community support and rites of passage (for us as mothers and for our children) that we need to guide us > What it means to reclaim deep self- and inner-knowing as a way to navigate these challenging times with more ease, competence and integrity This episode covers so very many of my favourite things, from herbalism and earth connection to mothering to rites of passage. I hope you enjoy the conversation I had with Amber as much as I did.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 5 | Lisa Marchiano on facing and finding yourself as a mother
05/24/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 5 | Lisa Marchiano on facing and finding yourself as a mother
When I read Lisa Marchiano's new book, Motherhood: Facing and Finding Yourself, I knew I had to have her on the podcast. Though I usually work with mothers who are traversing the initial few years of their mothering journey, I found Lisa's book deeply insightful and comforting for the mothering experiences that I'm currently having. Let me tell you a little bit about Lisa: Lisa Marchiano, LCSW is a writer and Jungian analyst in private practice in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She is the cohost and creator of the popular podcast . She teaches at the C.G. Jung Institute of Philadelphia, and lectures widely on Jungian topics. In addition to being the author of Motherhood: Facing and Finding Yourself, Lisa's writings have appeared in Quillette, The Journal of Analytical Psychology, and Psychological Perspectives, among other publications. The conversation I had with Lisa spans so many topics, including: > How a deeper sense of inner knowing is a gift that motherhood offers us, if we'll accept it > How motherhood invites us to move into deeper self-authority > How our relationships with our own mothers shift when we become mothers ourselves > A new version of the well-known Selkie story that reframes it as a failed initiation, and shows us what a "successful" initiation into motherhood requires > How losing yourself in motherhood is necessary, and not a bad thing at all This is a powerful episode that I found so resonant to my own motherhood journey, and those of the mamas I support. I hope you are inspired and heartened by Lisa's wisdom.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 4 | Shauna Janz on how grief can elder us through times of transformation
04/26/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 4 | Shauna Janz on how grief can elder us through times of transformation
Welcome back for another episode of The Becoming Podcast, friends! I'm thrilled to bring you this deep and thought-provoking conversation with Shauna Janz. Shauna is an educator, facilitator and ritualist at the crossroads of grief, trauma, embodiment and ancestral healing work. For the past 15 years she has worked in both private practice offering 1:1 support, and with national and international organizations offering trauma-informed facilitation training, grief literacy and curriculum development, and ancestral healing rituals to diverse audiences. I wanted to have Shauna on the show because grief work continues to play a huge role in the work that I do: it's an inextricable part of what it means to traverse change in our lives. Our conversation begins with Shauna's intimate insight into the grief journey that she's traversing right now. Relatedly, we talk about what we have "permission" to grieve. Shauna offers profound wisdom around the conditions and capacities that support us in our grieving process, as well as how grief can be an elder that ushers us into who we're becoming. We talk about the cultural influences on grief and who "gets" to grieve, and how to have agency with what can be an all-consuming experience. We continue on in a conversation around somatics and embodiment, the loss of community witnesses for our grief, and how we pathologize grief.
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 3 | Mara Glatzel on being needy + how to care for yourself during transformational times
03/29/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 3 | Mara Glatzel on being needy + how to care for yourself during transformational times
A big welcome to this month's Becoming Podcast guest, Mara Glatzel! Mara and I have known each other for years, and I was really excited for our conversation. It did not disappoint. As many of you know, self-tending is one of the Seven Core Competencies of Radical Transformation – those skills and capacities that we need to grow in order to traverse times of change in our lives with more ease. Given that Mara is the QUEEN of all things tending to your needs, I just had to have her on the show. Let me tell you a little bit about Mara. Mara is an intuitive coach, writer, and podcast host. She is a needy human who helps other needy humans stop abandoning themselves and start reclaiming their humanity through embracing their needs and honouring their natural energy cycles. Her superpower is saying what you need to hear when you need to hear it and she is here to help you believe in yourself as much as she believes in you. Our conversation was rich and lively. Mara shared the way that she thinks about self-care and tending, and how we need to shift from a prescriptive model of what "good self-care" looks like and into learning how to recognize what we requireto honour our humanity and keep being the humans we want to be. We talked about "thin times" – when we're going through transformation or challenge – and how to grow our capacity through meaningful tending. We also talk about honouring our humanity by asking for what you need in work and caregiving contexts. As I listened back to our conversation in the editing process, I realized that both Mara and I have the privilege of being able to (even if we don't always) structure our work in a way that allows us to take time off when we need to, and that's reflected in our conversation. Even if this isn't the case for you, I hope maybe you can feel inspired to be audacious in the supports you feel you can ask for (and maybe some of the ones you feel you can't, just for good measure). Finally, we muse on the idea that maybe seeking a more human way of living and meeting our needs actually might be the rite of passage that underlies them all, and that the ability to centre your needs will never be more important than it is now, as the world becomes an increasingly challenging place to live. I hope you enjoy this interview as much as I did!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 2 | Carmen Spagnola on rites of passage, questing and becoming an initiated adult
03/01/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 2 | Carmen Spagnola on rites of passage, questing and becoming an initiated adult
On this month's podcast, I had the great pleasure of connecting with Carmen Spagnola. I first learned of Carmen's work quite a few years ago now, and since then have taken a number of her programs. I value her as a teacher and guide also exploring what it means to traverse rites of passage and other initiatory experiences, as well as a fellow multipotentialite who sees the throughlines and patterns between seemingly unrelated things and, in so doing, brings us ideas and concepts that are inspiring and new. Here's a little more about Carmen: she works at the intersection of attachment, somatic attunement, and personal/collective trauma. People find her because something is collapsing within or around them – their relationship, self-identity, ecosystem, or something else. Carmen is a trauma recovery practitioner, clinical hypnotherapist, attachment support worker and teacher, podcast host since 2014, Wilderness Quest guide, Le Cordon Bleu (Paris)-trained chef, rose and vegetable gardener, witch of no particular affiliation, and animist, among other things. She has taught intuition development workshops since 2011, including her popular year-long program, The Numinous School, which ran for 7 years online. Her courses, workshops, and live classes are now found all in one place in The Numinous Network. Her book, The Spirited Kitchen: Recipes and Rituals for the Wheel of the Year,will be released on October 18, 2022, by Countryman Press | W.W.Norton. In this episode, Carmen shares with us the catalyzing moment that brought her to her knees – and to the way she lives and shows up in the world, as well as in her work, today. She talks about how she followed her childhood spiritual curiosity into learning about and supporting people from a rites of passage lens through ritual and initations. Carmen shares with us the Four Shields of Human Development model of transformation that she uses as a framework for this work. Then she dives into a Quest story that beautifully illustrates how this framework shows up in people's lived experiences. We finish our conversation with Carmen sharing a bit about her upcoming cookbook, which I literally •cannot wait• to have on my shelf! I loved this thoughtful, rich and meandering conversation with Carmen and I hope you do too!
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The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 1 | Rachael Maddox on embodied healing and trauma resolution as a rite of passage
01/25/2022
The Becoming Podcast | Season 4; Episode 1 | Rachael Maddox on embodied healing and trauma resolution as a rite of passage
Rachael Maddox is a trauma resolution educator, coach and guide who’s helped hundreds of humans move from sexual, complex or developmental trauma into pleasure, power and trust-filled relationships. I really wanted to have Rachael on the show today to talk about the possibility of trauma resolution as a rite of passage. Rachael is a gifted map-maker for the terrain of embodied healing and of what it means to alchemize traumatic experiences and wounds into power and potential. Our conversation starts with Rachael's own story of taking up the initiatory call to heal. We talk about how taking up that call, for so many of us, asks us to move from a place of "rebellion and blame" to "responsibility and creativity." Rachael shares with us, in detail, a map of embodied healing based in nervous system regulation and orienting to pleasure, joy, and "our natural blueprint of health." She also gives us a brief glimpse into the archetype-based model of trauma resolution she has developed. (It is brilliant, and I totally want to know more!). Finally, we talk about what it means to rest + digest after a time of major change – that it is natural for us to contract after a period of expansion, and that this can be challenging in a culture that doesn't make it easy to rest and recalibrate. Rachael generously shares ideas and resources throughout our interview that I know you will be able to use in your own life. Make sure you grab a pen and journal for this one! I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.
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