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Join VeggieTales and What's in the Bible? creator Phil Vischer and co-host Skye Jethani (author, speaker, pastor) for a fast-paced and often funny conversation about pop culture, media, theology, and the fun, fun, fun of living a thoughtful Christian life in an increasingly post-Christian culture.

681: Strategically Small Churches with Brandon O'Brien 08/06/2025

681: Strategically Small Churches with Brandon O'Brien A whites-only community has launched in Arkansas under the legal guise of a “private membership association.” The founders claim it’s about preserving culture, but Skye and Phil aren’t buying it. Then, Brent Leatherwood, head of the Southern Baptist Convention’s public policy arm, has resigned after years of pressure from hardline conservatives. What does his departure reveal about the denomination’s political realignment? And, this week’s guest is Brandon O’Brien, author of The Strategically Small Church. As American Christianity grapples with shrinking attendance and fading influence, O’Brien offers a compelling vision for why small congregations might be not just inevitable, but essential. Also Phil learns way too much about penguin poop. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:30 - Theme Song 3:50 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:45 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 6:15 - Penguin Poop Saves the World? 15:50 - Whites-Only Community in Arkansas? 28:47 - SBC Commission President Steps Down! 43:48 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 44:55 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 46:05 - Sponsor - Church at the Crossroads - How should churches respond to the crisis in Gaza? Join a conference to break the silence. Go to and use code HOLYPOST for 20% off! 47:21 - Interview 51:09 - Appetite for Small Churches? 59:00 - Beholden to Budget 1:09:15 - Unanxious 1:20:46 - End Credits Links from News Segment: All White Community in Arkansas: Brent Leatherwood Steps Down: Other Resources: The Strategically Small Church: Intimate, Authentic, and Effective by Brandon J. O’Brien: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/37693600

680: Cancelling Colbert, Starving Gaza, & American Charisma with Molly Worthen 07/30/2025

680: Cancelling Colbert, Starving Gaza, & American Charisma with Molly Worthen CBS has cancelled the top-rated late-night talk show. Was it really a financial decision, or was it done to get the Trump administration to approve a corporate merger? And will Stephen Colbert now come on the Holy Post? Horrific images of starvation are coming out of Gaza as pressure builds on the Israeli government to end the war, but when does pro-Palestinian activism cross the line into antisemitism? Historian Molly Worthen’s new book, “Spellbound,” explains how charismatic political and religious movements have shaped America, and why they depend more on a compelling story than a persuasive leader. Also this week— Phil is back from his European vacation with stories of schnitzel and chicken dancing. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Molly Worthen: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:30 - Theme Song 2:50 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 3:55 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to 5:04 - Phil’s Chicken Dance Adventure 15:05 - Colbert Cancelled? 24:21 - Antisemitism and Protesting Israel 42:43 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off your first order by using this link: 44:23 - Interview 47:50 - Building vs Destroying Institutions 58:56 - What Charismatic Movements Succeed? 1:09:45 - Charismatic Leader vs Charismatic Story 1:16:00 - Secular yet Spiritual 1:23:19 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Holding Israel accountable isn’t antisemtic—harming Jews is: Other Resources: Spellboard: How Charisma Shaped American History from the Puritans to Donald Trump: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/37599505

679: Individualism, Transhumanism, & Learning from Abolitionists with Daniel Lee Hill 07/23/2025

679: Individualism, Transhumanism, & Learning from Abolitionists with Daniel Lee Hill Why is our society so fractured and angry? David Brooks’ recent article draws from the work of moral philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre to explain how we got here, but what is the solution? With the growth of A.I., some Christians think technology may be how God redeems humanity and gives us eternal life. But is this still Christianity or a strange new Silicon Valley heresy? Kaitlyn talks to Daniel Lee Hill about his latest book, “Bearing Witness: What the Church Can Learn from Early Abolitionists.” Also this week—dolphins learn to puff the magic fish. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:05 - Theme Song 2:27 - Sponsor - World Relief - Join The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! 3:30 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 4:55 - Dolphins High Off Pufferfish Toxins 10:15 - David Brooks on Moral Philosophy 36:36 - Transhuminist Christians 52:20 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 53:20 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 54:16 - Interview 56:12 - Why Write Bearing Witness? 1:03:40 - What Do We Learn from Abolitionists? 1:19:23 - Communal History in the Church 1:29:46 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Dolphins Doing Drugs: David Brooks Article on Moral Philosophy: Russell Moore on AI and God: Other Resources: Bearing Witness: What the Church Can Learn from Early Abolitionists by Daniel Lee Hill: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/37512525

678: Is Gen Z Having a Religious Revival? with Ryan Burge 07/16/2025

678: Is Gen Z Having a Religious Revival? with Ryan Burge The IRS has decided churches are no longer prohibited from endorsing political candidates. Is this a win for free speech or a reason for some churches to become even more partisan? The Department of Homeland Security has released a creepy new promotional video that uses the Bible to frame border security as a mission from God. The Christian who gave George W. Bush the idea of “compassionate conservatism” says the passing of the Big Beautiful Bill marks the end of an era for the GOP. Professor Ryan Burge is back with data about the religious outlook of Gen Z. Some see evidence of a revival, but Burge says it’s probably wishful thinking. Also this week, animal fashion news: chimp drip edition. World Relief: Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Ryan Burge: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:22 - Theme Song 3:44 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 4:48 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:55 - Chimp Fashion! 12:56 - Christian in Government with PEPFAR 16:07 - The Johnson Amendment 29:24 - Bible Verse in an ICE Recruitment Ad 40:59 - Why Is the Church So Libertarian? 55:33 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 56:42 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 58:00 - Interview 1:00:45 - Why Are They Saying It’s a “Revival?” 1:09:05 - Can Revival Be Predicted? 1:16:50 - Church and Loneliness 1:29:46 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Chimps and Grassy Fashion! Other Resources: Ryan Burge’s Article on Gen Z Revival: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/37419970

677: Ending PEPFAR & Why the Self-Esteem Movement Failed with Sharon Hodde Miller 07/09/2025

677: Ending PEPFAR & Why the Self-Esteem Movement Failed with Sharon Hodde Miller When George W. Bush created the PEPFAR program in 2003, it was celebrated by evangelical leaders and has saved more than 26 million lives in Africa from HIV/AIDS. So why weren’t evangelicals outraged when Donald Trump killed PEPFAR, which has already resulted in over 75,000 deaths since January? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn unpack the arguments for and against PEPFAR, and how evangelical support for “small government” only applies to some programs. Then, Katilyn talks to Sharon Hodde Miller about what the self-esteem movement gets wrong about insecurity, and how we can recover the Christian virtue of service and self-forgetfulness. Also this week, rotten butter ants invade Europe. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Rachel Martin: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:22 - Theme Song 3:45 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 4:50 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:58 - Stinky Ants in Europe! 11:41 - PEPFAR and Evangelicals 21:00 - Spiritual Formation of Small Government Politics 25:35 - Addressing Anti-PEPFAR arguments 48:55 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 50:12 - Interview 55:54 - Insecurity and Ministry 1:08:20 - The Emptiness of Self-Esteem 1:14:30 - Transactional Relationships 1:25:14 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Super Ants Invade! Why Evangelicals Turned Their Back on PEPFAR: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/37338065

676: Classroom Culture Wars & the Spirituality of Secular America with Rachel Martin 07/02/2025

676: Classroom Culture Wars & the Spirituality of Secular America with Rachel Martin With Phil on vacation, Kaitlyn and Esau join Skye to talk about the Supreme Court’s ruling that public schools must allow students to opt out of gender or sexuality content that may contradict the religious beliefs of their families. At the same time, more Americans say public schools should hire chaplains to offer spiritual guidance to students. With schools increasingly becoming the front line in the culture war, can public education survive? Then, Skye talks to Rachel Martin, the co-creator of NPR’s Wild Card podcast and former host of Morning Edition, about what she’s learned from interviewing artists, actors, and activists about their beliefs. She offers an intriguing glimpse into the spirituality of secular America. Also this week—the internet is full of bad advice about “toxic” relationships. Use Promo Code “Book” to get 20% off your first subscription to Holy Post Plus! Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Rachel Martin: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:30 - Theme Song 2:50 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 3:55 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 5:02 - LGBTQ Schoolbook Opt-Outs 27:12 - Who’s Toxic? 35:18 - Did We Jettison Forgiveness? 47:16 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 48:35 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 49:45 - Interview 55:00 - Staying Informed without Burnout 59:30 - Rachel’s Spiritual Background 1:13:52 - The Wild Card podcast and Spirituality 1:27:32 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Court’s Ruling on Parents Opting Out of LGBTQ books in Schools: Majority of Americans Support Chaplains in Schools: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/37245605

675: Iran, End Times, & the Political God Gap with Senator Chris Coons 06/25/2025

675: Iran, End Times, & the Political God Gap with Senator Chris Coons Nothing fires up the End Times industry faster than America dropping bombs in the Middle East. After President Trump decided to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities this weekend, YouTube was flooded with convoluted and contradictory videos on the biblical implications of the war. But if this really is a prelude to Christ’s return, as many online end timers claim, why are they stoking panic and fear? Shouldn’t Christians welcome this news? Skye talks to Senator Chris Coons about how his faith informs his politics, why he went to divinity school, and what the Democrats can do to close the “God gap” in politics. Also this week—courts struck down the Louisiana law requiring the 10 Commandments to be posted in every public school classroom, and the real origin of “honky dory.” Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:16 - Theme Song 3:40 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 4:53 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 7:11 - Protesting While in Red States 16:07 - End Times Prophecies and Iran 22:30 - Mark Driscoll and the Manosphere 26:26 - Louisiana and the 10 Commandments 37:44 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 38:52 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 40:02 - Interview 42:36 - US Involvement in the Middle East 50:20 - Divinity School and Public Service 57:37 - The God Gap 1:08:35 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Russell Moore on Why We Shouldn’t Look for End Time Implications: Louisiana Ten Commandments Law: Vox’s Article on the “New Religious Right” Other Resources: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/37137295

674: Parades, Protests, and Habeas Corpus with Michael Bird 06/18/2025

674: Parades, Protests, and Habeas Corpus with Michael Bird It was a wild weekend. Donald Trump presided over a military parade on his birthday while an estimated 5 million Americans protested around the country. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the optics of both events and ask, with America’s divided politics and media silos, is protesting still effective? They also unpack a new article by Abby McCloskey in CT that argues evangelicalism’s focus on a private, personalized faith undermines learning, curiosity, and exercising the mind. Then, theologian and Holy Post Pundit, Michael Bird, is back. He offers an outsider’s perspective on Trump’s military parade, the “No Kings” protests, and why he thinks more Christians should be concerned about the suspension of habeas corpus. Also this week: More ’50s slang and an update on Ed the zebra. Holy Post Plus: Getting Schooled - Ethics of Exile 101: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:25 - Theme Song 3:50 - Sponsor - Timeless designs, great fabrics. Perfect swimwear for your kids this summer! Check out Minnow at enter SHOPMINNOW15 for 15% off your first order. 4:57 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 6:18 - 50’s Slang 9:44 - Ed the Zebra’s Return! 14:35 - Military Parade 23:48 - What Does Protest Do? 32:05 - The Christian Mind Out of Practice 47:30 - Teaching Essentials of the Faith 50:21 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 51:28- Sponsor - World Relief - Join The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! 52:24 - Interview 59:30 - Polarization of the Military 1:10:05 - Right to Protest 1:19:45 - End Credits Links from News Segment: A Christian Mind Out of Practice by Abby McCloskey: Other Resources: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/37045500

673: The L.A. Protests & Becoming a Priest and Podcaster with Esau McCaulley 06/11/2025

673: The L.A. Protests & Becoming a Priest and Podcaster with Esau McCaulley Protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration’s immigration policies have turned violent, but will the images of vandalism and attacks on police actually help the President? And Phil asks if there is any way to prevent necessary mass protests from becoming violent. One of the most respected Bible scholars of the last century has passed away. Old Testament professor Walter Bruggemann contrasted the world’s vision of scarcity with God’s kingdom of abundance, but Kaitlyn thinks his understanding of exile is over-applied today. Skye talks with his Holy Post Media colleague, Esau McCaulley, about his vocation as a priest, professor, and podcaster, and his desire to see Christianity applied to both the beauty and brokenness of the culture. Also this week—flying zebras and burning Waymos. Holy Post Plus: My Hill to Die On - Bidets: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/131158009/ 0:00 - Show Starts 4:30 - Theme Song 5:00 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to HOLYPOST 6:05 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 7:20 - Runaway Ed the Zebra! 14:33 - LA Protests, Self-Driving Cars 20:30 - Is Violent Protest Inevitable? 30:38 - Walter Brueggemann’s Passing 34:22 - Kaitlyn’s Disagreement with Brueggemann 43:11 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 44:15 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 45:25 - Interview 47:32 - Why Esau’s an Anglican Priest 54:30 - Why Esau’s a Podcaster 1:04:20 - How Does Esau’s Brain Work? 1:12:38 - White Evangelicals Centering 1:19:45 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Pet Zebra Escaped! Other Resources: Check out The Esau McCaulley Podcast: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36942300

672: Gender Worship Wars & the Joy of Being Cultural Outsiders with Patrick Miller 06/04/2025

672: Gender Worship Wars & the Joy of Being Cultural Outsiders with Patrick Miller In the past, debates over worship styles were often marked by generational differences; however, a new article suggests that this is changing. For Gen Z, worship preferences may be dividing along gender lines instead. For younger Christians, is CCM from Venus and liturgy from Mars? Drew Dyck joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the evidence, the implications, and the solution for the worship gender divide. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Patrick Miller about his new book with co-author Keith Simon, “Joyful Outsiders.” He says there are six different ways we can respond to the loss of Christian cultural power, but all of them should be marked with joy rather than fear or anger. Also this week—listeners react to our criticism of “asking Jesus into your heart,” and pigeons on a plane. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Segment: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/130628699/ 0:00 - Show Starts 2:55 - Theme Song 3:18 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 4:25 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 5:36 - Animal News 13:07 - Jesus in Your Heart Response 25:27 - The Gen Z Worship War 36:23 - Low Church to High Church 51:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 53:06 - Sponsor - World Relief: The Path - Get your FREE prayer guide: Prayers for Such a Time as This. If you want to go beyond prayer, you can also learn more about joining The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! 54:15 - Interview 55:55- What Does it Mean to Be Joyful Outsiders? 1:00:20 - Are Christians Always Outsiders? 1:14:20 - Prophets and Hope 1:20:08 - Approaching Joyful Living 1:31:00 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Pigeons on a Plane! Gen Z Gender Worship War: Other Resources: Joyful Outsiders: Six Ways to Live Like Jesus in a Disorienting Culture: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36839505

671: Mailbag! God’s Pronouns, Project 2025, & Asking Jesus Into Your Heart 05/28/2025

671: Mailbag! God’s Pronouns, Project 2025, & Asking Jesus Into Your Heart Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye respond to questions from the listeners, including whether lay people should go to seminary, how important is attending a church after being hurt by one, and whether Christians should make violent video games. They also venture into theological topics like what pronouns are appropriate for God, what doctrines do we emphasize too much, and why they all think telling kids to “ask Jesus into your heart” is a bad idea. The crew also revisits the topic of Project 2025 and whether they regret their dismissive opinions about it from before the election. Also this week—Skye reveals plans for his new project with Holy Post Media, and one listener's question prompts Kaitlyn to make a big announcement. Holy Post Plus: Hill to Die On (Phil on Swearing): Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Sponsor - World Relief - Learn more about what life is like for refugees. Hear real stories to better understand what refugees are facing every day! 1:09 - Show Starts 2:30 - Theme Song 2:51 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 3:56 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 5:04 - Is Protesting in Rotunda Illegal? 7:04 - Skye’s Next Book? 11:35 - Should Laypeople Go Into Seminary? 16:00 - What Do We Mean “Jesus in My Heart?” 24:00 - Project 2025 32:00 - Clarifying vs Changing Scripture 39:00 - Christians Making Video Games? 49:00 - What Theological Issues Do We Overrate? 55:00 - Church Community 59:33 - Special Question 1:06:01 - End Credits Other Resources: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36737365

670: The Nicene Creed is Cool Again & Reading the Bible like Dallas Willard with Dave Ripper 05/21/2025

670: The Nicene Creed is Cool Again & Reading the Bible like Dallas Willard with Dave Ripper Why are more churches rediscovering and reciting the Nicene Creed? And what can the ancient articulation of Christian belief offer the church in these divided times? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the 1700th anniversary of the creed and its place in the modern church. The Bible is critical to our faith, but have we been taught to worship the Bible rather than the God of the Bible? Dave Ripper, the author of “Experiencing Scripture as a Disciple of Jesus,” explains how Dallas Willard engaged the Bible and how it can become a source of transformation, not just information. Also this week: What qualifies as anti-Christian behavior, an update on Afghan and Afrikaner refugees, and scientists discover auras are real. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Bonus Interview with Dave Ripper: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:35 - Theme Song 3:55 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 5:15 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 7:45 - Do Mice glow? 19:30 - Shane Claiborne Arrested 25:20 - The Nicene Creed’s Birthday! 31:30 - Why’s the Creed Popular Right Now? 52:12 - Sponsor - Timeless designs, great fabrics. Perfect swimwear for your kids this summer! Check out Minnow at enter SHOPMINNOW15 for 15% off your first order. 53:20 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 54:32 - Interview 56:55 - How Did Ripper First Meet Willard? 1:03:50 - Jesus is a Genius 1:10:20 - Sin Management 1:22:50 - Memorizing Scripture 1:29:38 - End Credits Links from News Segment: People Glow Til They Die! Shane Claiborne Arrested! Popularity of the Nicene Creed Fox News and Christian Refugees Other Resources: Experiencing Scripture as a Disciple of Jesus: Reading the Bible like Dallas Willard by Dave Ripper: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36647965

669: From Common Good to Culture War—Lessons from the Q Conference with Katelyn Beaty 05/14/2025

669: From Common Good to Culture War—Lessons from the Q Conference with Katelyn Beaty We have a pope and he’s American! Cardinal Robert Prevost from Chicago is now Pope Leo XIV, and his connection to The Holy Post is closer than anyone imagined. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss reactions to the new Pope and the significance of his name. Katelyn Beaty is back to discuss the evolution of the Q Conference, led by Gabe and Rebekah Lyons. Why has an event that started almost 20 years ago with a positive vision of Christian cultural engagement for the common good now shifted to embrace the culture war? And what does it reveal about larger changes within American evangelicalism? Also this week—The Trump administration is accepting refugees into the U.S. again (as long as they are white), the Quakers are on the move, caterpillar flair, and baby girl Bible names. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:25 - Theme Song 3:45 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:50 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 6:40 - Bone Collector Caterpillar 12:10 - What Did Tariffs Do? 22:50 - Quakers are on the Move! 27:17 - Chicago Pope! 45:47 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 46:56 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 30% off sitewide for our listeners when you use promocode HOLYPOST! Go to 48:00 - Interview 52:40 - What is the Q Conference? 1:02:44 - How Has the Q Conference Shifted? 1:12:18 - Ethics vs Pragmatism 1:21:23 - Responding to the Change in Evangelicalism 1:32:55 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Bone Collector Caterpillar! Quakers on the March! Other Resources: What Happened to the Q Conference: Quakers March to Protest Trump’s Immigration Crackdown Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36553580

668: Pope Donald, Human Flourishing, & the Pastor’s Wife with Beth Allison Barr 05/07/2025

668: Pope Donald, Human Flourishing, & the Pastor’s Wife with Beth Allison Barr The White House is facing backlash for posting an AI image of Donald Trump as the Pope. Was it a careless joke or a calculated distraction? The most extensive study of its kind finds that the world’s largest Muslim country far outranks the United States in human flourishing, and also explains why secular elites are discovering a new respect for religion. But is there more than a practical purpose behind faith? Historian Beth Allison Barr is back to discuss her latest book, “Becoming the Pastor’s Wife.” She says expectations for ministry spouses aren’t rooted in Scripture but in a reaction to feminism in the late 20th century, and Barr explains how marriage replaced ordination as the way for women to serve the church. Also this week—listener questions, and a whole new look for Holy Post Media. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Bonus Interview with Beth Allison Barr: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:40 - Theme Song 3:00 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 4:10 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 15:10 - Comparing two recent interviews: Gillibrand and Kasich 28:10 - Pope Donald? 34:24 - Human Flourishing Study in Indonesia! 54:53 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 56:00 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 56:50 - Interview 1:02:24 - Danver’s Statement 1:09:09 - Rooted in America, not Scripture 1:19:19 - Honoring Responsibility 1:32:55 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Religion and Happiness in Indonesia: Young People and Unhappiness: Tiktok Trend “Jesus Glow:” Other Resources: Becoming the Pastor’s Wife: How Marriage Replaced Ordination as a Woman’s Path to Ministry by Beth Allison Barr: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36461235

667: The Future of Faith in America with John Kasich 04/30/2025

667: The Future of Faith in America with John Kasich A slate of new articles analyzes Pope Francis through America’s progressive-conservative polarization, but are they confusing political categories with theological ones? Surprising data show that Gen Z is returning to religion, and belief in an afterlife is on the rise, but what's the explanation? Are young people returning to the church to rebel against their secular parents? Former Ohio Governor John Kasich believes America is on the cusp of a spiritual revival, and his new book, “Heaven Help Us,” explores how religious institutions are leading the way. He talks to Skye about how God used tragedy to awaken his own faith, and why he thinks this present era of greed and cowardice will pass. Also this week—a bunny, a Boeing, and a Bible illustration. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:40 - Theme Song 3:00 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 4:10 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 6:22 - Rare Rabbit Strike! 14:10 - Progressive Christians and the Pope 21:50 - What Even is Progressive Christianity? 32:44 - Is Gen Z Becoming Religious? 51:42 - Sponsor - Timeless designs, great fabrics. Perfect swimwear for your kids this summer! Check out Minnow at enter SHOPMINNOW15 for 15% off your first order. 52:50 - Sponsor - Fabric by Gerber Life - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at 53:50 - Interview 56:15 - Kasich’s Testimony 1:03:15 - Institutions to Help the Individual 1:11:30 - Religious Division 1:22:00 - What Will Kasich Do Next? 1:28:45 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Rabbit in a Jet Engine! The Atlantic Article on Progressive Christianity Post-Pope: The New York Times Article on Progressive Christianity Post-Pope: Belief in an Afterlife is Increasing: Other Resources: Heaven Help Us: How Faith Communities Inspire Hope, Strengthen Neighborhoods, and Build the Future by John Kasich: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36362240

666: Lessons from the Satanic Panic with Mike Cosper 04/23/2025

666: Lessons from the Satanic Panic with Mike Cosper Pope Francis died on Monday. Will the Catholic Church continue to move in the direction of inclusion and reform, or will it elect a more traditional leader in reaction to the last papacy? Mike Cosper is back to talk about his new podcast from Christianity Today about the Satanic Panic, “Devil and the Deep Blue Sea.” In the 1980s and 90s, the FBI investigated 11,000 reports of satanic ritual abuse, but did not uncover a single credible story. So, why were parents throughout the country worried that heavy metal music, board games, and the Smurfs would lead their kids into devil-worshipping cults? Cosper explains how hucksters leveraged fears over cultural change to create mass hysteria, and why lessons from the Satanic Panic are still relevant today. Also this week, Medieval art reveals the sounds and smells of hell. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Mike Cosper: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:50 - Theme Song 4:12 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 5:22 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 12:12 - News of the Butt, Medieval Art Edition 18:46 - Bosch Painting Translated into Music 24:24 - The Legacy of the Pope 32:35 - America vs. The Pope 41:42 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 42:50 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 42:00 - Interview 46:23 - Why’s the Satanic Panic Relevant? 53:00 - What is the Satanic Panic? 1:01:03 - Hucksters Behind It 1:11:09 - Did People Want it to Be True? 1:28:45 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Reddit Discusses Medieval Face-Butts: Bosch Painting Translated to Music Other Resources: Devil and the Deep Blue Sea from Christianity Today: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36269715

665: Can Democrats Win Back Religious Voters? with Senator Kirsten Gillibrand 04/16/2025

665: Can Democrats Win Back Religious Voters? with Senator Kirsten Gillibrand It’s Holy Week, and an article in the New York Times argues that Palm Sunday wasn’t a worship procession; it was a protest march. With that theme in mind, Christians held peaceful rallies over the weekend in Philadelphia and San Diego to protest inhumane immigration enforcement policies, including the order allowing government agents into churches during worship gatherings to arrest people. Skye talks to Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) about how her faith informs her politics, what lessons the Democrats have learned from their losses in 2024, and why more religious Americans view her party’s brand as “toxic.” Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn then debrief the interview and discuss whether the Democrats’ struggle is just messaging or something deeper. Also this week: the problem with purple. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:35 - Theme Song 3:55 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 5:15 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 7:15 - Purple Isn't Real? 17:40 - Christians Protesting ICE 25:05 - Was Palm Sunday a Protest? 34:50 - Why’re We Interviewing a Senator? 36:00 - Sponsor - Public Good Generation - One week immersive program for high school students to 37:00 - Sponsor - World Relief: The Path - Join a monthly giving community to help people all around the world! Go to 38:05 - Interview 43:50 - Is the Republican Party Faith-Driven? 53:05 - Is the Democratic Brand Toxic? 1:10:30 - Debrief 1:16:20 - Trump Administration Holy Week Statement 1:28:45 - End Credits Links from News Segment: World Relief: Purple Isn’t Real! Faith Groups Protest Ice: Palm Sunday was a Protest, Not a Procession: White House Presidential Holy Week Message Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36160950

664: An Atheist Says America Needs Jesus with Jonathan Rauch 04/09/2025

664: An Atheist Says America Needs Jesus with Jonathan Rauch Donald Trump launched a global trade war because he thinks America’s trade deficit makes us “losers,” but does he even understand what a trade deficit is? Phil introduces a new segment full of statistics that make Kaitlyn and Skye groan. And they discuss David Brooks’ new article in The Atlantic, which compares this moment in U.S. history to the era of Andrew Jackson, and offers hope for what may come after MAGA. Skye interviews Jonathan Rauch about his new book, “Cross Purposes.” Rauch, an atheist, says his antagonism toward Christianity changed when he came to see how vital it is to American democracy and why evangelicals’ failure to follow Jesus is putting the whole country at risk. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Jonathan Rauch Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:05 - Theme Song 3:30 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 4:35 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 7:12 - Stock Market Crash! 15:49 - How Idols Steal from Us 20:36 - DEI Removal 27:50 - Nihilism 41:20 - How Do Things Get Better? 48:18 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 49:22 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 50:30 - Interview 55:04 - Secularization’s Consequences 1:06:22 - Christianity as an Exilic Religion 1:15:20 - Evangelism as Market-Driven Religion 1:26:52 - End Credits Links from News Segment: David Brooks Article: Other Resources: Cross Purposes: Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy by Jonathan Rauch: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/36056285

663: Snow White, Scarcity, & Why Immigration is Pro-Life and Bri Stensrud 04/02/2025

663: Snow White, Scarcity, & Why Immigration is Pro-Life and Bri Stensrud Disney’s new live-action remake of Snow White has been a disaster with people on all sides of the political divide and culture wars finding something to hate about the film, but could it also be full of important Christian theology? Phil and Skye are joined by Mike Erre to examine the biblical theme of abundance versus scarcity, how it applies to Christians, and why so many evangelicals have accepted a zero-sum vision that is contrary to the kingdom of God. Kaitlyn Schiess interviews Bri Stensrud, director of Women of Welcome, about her journey from being a pro-life advocate to also being pro-immigrant and the false narratives too many Christians believe about this issue. Also this week—Franklin Graham criticizes Donald Trump (for his language), and did the CIA find the Ark of the Covenant in 1988? Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Bri Stensrud: Ad-free Version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:30 - Theme Song 3:50 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 5:00 - Sponsor - Fabric by Gerber Life - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at 8:20 - Declassified CIA Files 17:05 - Foreign Students Status Revoked 21:00 - US vs. Europe on DEI 28:30 - Franklin Graham on Trump’s Language 41:02 - Snow White Movie and Scarcity Mindset 49:15 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 51:35 - Sponsor - World Relief: The Path - Get your FREE prayer guide: Prayers for Such a Time as This. If you want to go beyond prayer, you can also learn more about joining The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! 52:42- Interview 54:44 - Consistent Pro-Life 59:46 - The Effect of First-Hand Experience 1:09:17 - Misconceptions About Immigration 1:17:54 - Tough Conversations 1:27:14 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Declassified CIA Files on Ark of Covenant: Government Revoked Student Visas: Snow White and Abundance Over Scarcity: Other Resources: Start with Welcome: The Journey toward a Confident and Compassionate Immigration Conversation by Bri Stensrud: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35966855

French Friday: Now Only on The SkyePod 03/28/2025

662: Why Nazi Comparisons Don't Help & Hosting Cultural Conversations and Lee C. Camp 03/26/2025

662: Why Nazi Comparisons Don't Help & Hosting Cultural Conversations and Lee C. Camp It’s become popular to compare our current political moment with the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany in the 1930s, but what if the better comparison is Germany in the 1920s? A new article by Paul Miller argues that to avoid the rise of authoritarianism, Christian in the United States should do the hard work now of creating an alternative political narrative rather than the easy work of demonizing one side or the other as “Nazis.” Skye talks to Lee Camp, the creator and host of “No Small Endeavor,” about creating spaces for diverse people to have important conversations and why fear is the barrier to practicing godly hospitality. Also this week—evangelicals aren’t entirely opposed to science. But, just like everyone else, they reject the science that contradicts their politics. Holy Post Plus: An Evening with the Holy Post: Kaitlyn Schiess and Shane Claiborne Ad-free Version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:56 - Theme Song 4:15 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 5:25 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 7:20 - Politics and Believing Science 21:43 - America’s Weimar Moment 49:15 - The Leader’s Way Podcast - Want to enrich your ministry to bring hope to the world? Listen to Christian thinkers and leaders at 50:05 - Sponsor - Bushnell University - Equip yourself to be transformative in your community! Go to 50:55- Interview 57:40 - When Did No Small Endeavor Become so Broad? 1:03:02 - Hospitality vs Fear 1:15:25 - Hospitality Across the Spectrum 1:23:13 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Are Evangelical Clergy Outliers on Science? Yes and No A Confessing Church for America’s Weimar Moment: Other Resources: No Small Endeavor Tour: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35860895

661: Non-Cringy Christian Media & the Nicene Creed and Glenn Packiam 03/19/2025

661: Non-Cringy Christian Media & the Nicene Creed and Glenn Packiam A new slate of Christian movies and television shows is managing to draw both acclaim from critics and the attention of non-believers. Are the days of cringy Christian media finally behind us? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the impact of “The Chosen” and the new Amazon series, “House of David.” What do these shows get right that so many past faith-based projects got wrong? The Oscar-winning documentary, “No Other Land,” cannot find a distributor in the U.S. because critics say it’s antisemitic, but Phil managed to watch it anyway. He offers his take on the movie, why it’s controversial, and how we can distinguish between sinful antisemitism and legitimate criticism of the Israeli government. Then, Kaitlyn interviews Glenn Packiam about his new book about the Nicene Creed, “What’s a Christian Anyway?” Packiam says the creed can be a beautiful lifeline to people caught in the crosswinds of church corruption and cultural confusion. Also this week: Animal news TSA edition. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview: Ad-free Version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:00 - Theme Song 3:20 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 4:37 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 8:20 - Sneaking a Turtle Past TSA 13:10 - Non-cringy Christian Shows? 28:45 - Other Land Documentary 41:24 - Anti-Semiticism vs Criticizing Israel 47:50 - Sponsor - Fabric by Gerber Life - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at 49:00 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 50:00 - Interview 1:22:03 - End Credits Links from News Segment: TSA Finds Turtle in Man’s Pants Other Resources: What’s a Christian, Anyway?: Finding Our Way in an Age of Confusion and Corruption by Glenn Packiam: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35751770

660: Following Christ in “Negative World” and Charlie Peacock 03/12/2025

660: Following Christ in “Negative World” and Charlie Peacock With declining church attendance and shifting values, there’s no denying that our culture’s posture toward Christianity has changed. Some say America is now “post-Christian,” but author Aaron Renn believes it is downright “anti-Christian.” In a recent NY Times profile, Renn explains why he thinks Christianity now occupies a “negative world,” and why the winsome approach of leaders like Tim Keller should be abandoned for more aggressive tactics. Then, Phil talks with legendary musician, songwriter, and producer Charlie Peacock about his new memoir, “Roots in Rhythm: A Life in Music.” Also this week, a leaked memo reveals the real impact of Trump’s foreign aid cuts and immigration policy, and what exhibits would you add to the Museum of Failure? Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview: Ad-free Version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:35 - Theme Song 2:00 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to join The Path to support vulnerable communities around the world! 3:10 - Sponsor - Bushnell University - Equip yourself to be transformative in your community! Go to 5:10 - Museum of Failure 10:35 - Trump Cutting Funding—to the US? 24:30 - Negative World 32:57 - Crotch Christianity? 53:00 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 54:10 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 55:20 - Interview 1:06:00 - Personal Spirituality and the Music Industry 1:14:22 - Death on the Mountaintop 1:31:30 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Museum of Failure: Article on Aaren Renn by Ruth Graham and Madeleine Hordinski: Other Resources: Roots and Rhythm by Charlie Peacock: A Life in Music: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35644210

659: The Root of Racism is Greed Not Hate with Malcolm Foley 03/05/2025

659: The Root of Racism is Greed Not Hate with Malcolm Foley After a made-for-T.V. meltdown in the Oval Office between President Trump and President Zelensky of Ukraine, the administration cut all military aid to Ukraine and sided with Russia instead. Will this cause some evangelicals to rethink their support for Trump, and if so where will they go? Two popular Christian books are saying that empathy is manipulative at best, or downright sinful at worst. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn examine their arguments. Most Christians probably believe that racism is rooted in hate or ignorance, but historian Malcolm Foley says it’s really all about greed. Until we understand the economic origins of racism, he says, the church won’t be equipped to fight it. Also this week—name five things you did last week to justify your existence. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview: Ad-free Version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:57 - Theme Song 3:18 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:13 - Sponsor - Pique - Pique’s tea is a superfood in a cup! Comes with a frother and glass beaker—get the starter kit at 5:50 - Five Things to Justify Your Existence 9:24 - Zelensky and Trump 19:26 - Cutting Off Therapeutic Food 26:35 - The Divide of Politics and Personal Ethics 30:20 - The Sin of Empathy 40:35 - Misidentifying the Problem 55:19 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 56:25 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 57:42 - Interview 59:50 - What Links Theology and Finance? 1:03:35 - How Greed Leads to Racism 1:18:00 - Love as a Material Relationship 1:30:52 - End Credits Resources: The Anti-Greed Gospel: Why the Love of Money in the Root of Racism and How the Church Can Create a New Way Forward by Malcolm Foley: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35534655

French Friday: A Unified Theory of Trump 02/28/2025

658: Justice, Mercy, & Becoming Good News People with Derwin Gray 02/26/2025

658: Justice, Mercy, & Becoming Good News People with Derwin Gray Has Wheaton College, the flagship of evangelical higher ed, gone woke? Concerned parents and alumni have published a letter accusing the school of valuing diversity more than discipleship. Others have responded by defending Wheaton against the unfounded claims of the MAGA mob. What does the controversy reveal about the state of evangelicalism in the U.S.? A new piece by friend of the show, Karen Swallow Prior, explores the relationship between justice and mercy. Does emphasizing one value more than the other explain the rift in the American church? Derwin Gray is back to discuss his new book, “Lit Up With Love.” He explains how evangelism fits into the bigger narrative of the Bible, and how our reconciliation with God impacts our reconciliation with others. Also this week—North Dakota officially rejects the kingship of Jesus. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 4:07 - Theme Song 4:29 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:26 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 8:09 - Legal Resolution to Recognize Kingship of Jesus 12:56 - Wheaton Controversy, Russell Vought 18:42 - Wheaton, the Cultural Institution 31:03 - Justice and Mercy 37:05 - The Necessity of Wisdom 41:10 - What is Legalism? 53:03 - Sponsor - Fabric by Gerber Life - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at 54:08 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 55:20 - Interview 56:28 - Lit Up With Love 1:00:03 - Appetizer for the New Creation 1:06:11 - Confrontational Evangelism 1:15:10 - The Risk of Loving the Church 1:25:52 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: North Dakota House Rejects “Kingship of Jesus” Resolution: Mercy and Justice, False Dichotomy Other resources: Lit Up with Love: Becoming Good-News People to a Gospel-Starved World by Derwin Gray: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35429470

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657: The Government, God, & Grift with Katherine Stewart 02/19/2025

657: The Government, God, & Grift with Katherine Stewart Since WWII, the United States has been actively engaged in foreign aid as part of its strategic foreign policy, and Christians of all theological and political views have broadly supported this effort. In the first month of the Trump administration, however, Christians on the far right have suddenly turned against international aid. What’s behind this change and are there parallels on the religious left? And what does it mean when MAGA Catholics are arguing directly with Pope Francis about immigrants, refugees, and the poor? Author and journalist, Katherine Stewart, has investigated the religious nationalist movement for 15 years. She says there’s a major disconnect between the super-rich funding the movement (many aren’t even Christians), and the average white evangelicals caught up in its conspiracy theories and events. She talks with Skye about her new book, “Money, Lies, and God.” Also this week—Phil looks at larvae and sees the face of God. World Relief Advocate: Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview: Ad-Free version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:28 - Theme Song 2:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 3:55 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 5:32 - News of the Termite-Faced Butts! 12:03 - Space Force Skye 19:20 - Is Humanitarian Aid Biblical? 24:32 - Romans 13 37:35 - Are Anti-Foreign Aid Arguments Consistent? 51:35 - Sponsor - Bushnell University - Equip yourself to be transformative in your community! Go to 52:28 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to download your family refugee guide and learn more about the Path Community 53:44 - Interview 57:03 - Information Bubbles 1:03:33 - Is this All a Grift? 1:10:11 - The Inconsistencies of MAGA 1:20:17 - Red Caesar 1:25:52 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: World Relief Advocate: Termite-Face-Butts! Pope Francis and American Catholics Clash: Trump Demonizes Faith-Based Partners and Government Grants Other resources: Money, Lies and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy by Katherine Stewart: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35341555

656: Defunding USAID and Blue Like Jazz’s Gospel of Vibes with Ross Douthat 02/12/2025

656: Defunding USAID and Blue Like Jazz’s Gospel of Vibes with Ross Douthat The White House is defunding USAID, one of the largest distributors of foreign aid, and blaming it on wasteful spending—like a D.E.I musical in Ireland. But as Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn unpack, the real losers are Christian relief organizations like World Relief and Catholic Charities, which now face devastating budget cuts. Then, it’s been over 20 years since the release of Blue Like Jazz, the bestselling book that made faith feel cool. Did it offer a helpful critique of evangelicalism, or was this the beginning of the rise of vibes-based Christianity? Also, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat joins Skye to discuss his new book, Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious. He explains why our increasingly secular culture is still drawn to spirituality and why rejecting religious institutions in favor of “DIY faith” may not be the answer. Plus, we have a trailer for a new season of Why I’m Still a Christian. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Ross Douthat: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:18 - Theme Song 2:41 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 3:45 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 8:25 - Trump and Christian Persecution 12:22 - Elon Shuts Down USAID 19:53 - Did USAID Really Fund That? 24:29 - Principle of Unitary President 35:42 - Blue Like Untethered Christianity 39:57 - Consumerist Christianity and Vibes 46:41 - Why I’m Still a Christian Season 2 Sneak Peak! 48:05 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 50:08 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 51:11 - Interview 52:30 - A Case for Religion? 56:26 - Why Not Just Argue for Jesus? 1:02:23 - Are Secular Circles Falling Apart? 1:11:00 - Fine Tuning Argument 1:23:04 - Why Not Pursue Spirituality on Your Own? 1:28:05 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Editorial: SIlence in the Face of Trump’s Cruelty is Complicity: Contact Bishops and Diocese by State: USAID Trump Fact Checker: Blue Like Jazz: Other resources: Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35247825

655: What If Jesus Was Serious About Justice with Skye Jethani 02/05/2025

655: What If Jesus Was Serious About Justice with Skye Jethani During a recent Fox News interview, Vice President J.D. Vance cited “an old school and very Christian concept” to justify rejecting refugees and ending international aid. Bishops from his own church disagreed. The Holy Post crew explores the concept Vance was citing, how he misunderstands it, and why his interpretation undermines the entire New Testament. Kaitlyn interviews Skye about his new book, “What If Jesus Was Serious About Justice?” They talk about the link between justice and worship, what it means to have a heart “far from God,” and why the doctrine of penal substitutionary atonement is biblical but taught in a proudly unbiblical way in many churches. Also this week, Phil returns to Twitter and learns who Margaret is. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Skye Jethani: 0:00 - Sponsor - Bushnell University - Equip yourself to be transformative in your community! Go to 0:49 - Show Starts 3:20 - Theme Song 3:42 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 4:45 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 6:09 - Inauguration 7:27 - Tariff Fight! 12:03 - Twitter’s a Dirty Aquarium 17:29 - Who’s Margaret and Should She Care? 20:52 - The American Council of Bishops 24:22 - Augustine and Ordo Amoris 31:56 - Scripture and Ordo Amoris 37:36 - Case for Christian Nationalism 43:23 - The Resurrection Disrupts Politics 48:22 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 49:28 - Sponsor - Pique - Pique’s tea is a superfood in a cup! Comes with a frother and glass beaker—get the starter kit at 51:08 - Interview 53:05 - Justice and Social Justice 1:01:10 - Oppression Beyond Identity 1:09:55 - God’s Justice and Mercy 1:14:42 - Penal Substitutionary Atonement 1:22:45 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: JD Vance is Wrong: Jesus doesn’t ask us to rank our love for others: Other resources: What if Jesus Was Serious About Justice by Skye Jethani: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases. /episode/index/show/thephilvischerpodcast/id/35154085

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