The Holy Post
Join VeggieTales and What's in the Bible? creator Phil Vischer and co-host Skye Jethani (author, speaker, pastor) for a fast-paced and often funny conversation about pop culture, media, theology, and the fun, fun, fun of living a thoughtful Christian life in an increasingly post-Christian culture.
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644: Unplugging from Politics & the Real Meaning of Acts with N.T. Wright
11/20/2024
644: Unplugging from Politics & the Real Meaning of Acts with N.T. Wright
After an exhausting year of politics and the re-election of Donald Trump, what is a faithful way for Christians to navigate the next four years? Should we continue to immerse ourselves in political news, or is it better to disconnect from the media? And should Christians join the political fights online, or unplug to better serve our local communities? The Holy Post crew responds to articles by a number of Christians leaders addressing these questions. Then, New Testament scholar, N.T. Wright, is back to discuss the book of Acts. Wright says an understanding of ancient temples is the key to the message of Acts. Also this week—the origin of F-words. Holy Post Plus Bonus Interview with N. T. Wright: 0:00 - Intro 0:38 - Show Starts 1:30 - Theme Song 1:51 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 2:55 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 6:15 - Trump Cabinet Picks and Praying for Leaders 15:33 - Russell Moore on Getting Through the Trump Years 27:20 - Is the Church a Turtle? 33:39 - The Wisdom Literature 41:20 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 42:25 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get the special Christmas deal of up to 30% off your first order by going to 43:30 - Interview 47:18 - The Holy Spirit Before Pentecost? 52:09 - Ananias and Sapphira 56:17 - Why Did Early Christians Still Go to the Temple? 1:04:55 - The Church, Division, and Revelation 1:16:55 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at Farming Gave Us “F” and “V” How to Get Through the Next Four Years: Go Slow and Repair Things: All Sides News Source Of Time and Turtles: Mending the World, Shell by Shattered Shell: A Heartwarming Compassionate Portrait of Injured Turtles, Perfect for Nature Lovers by Sy Montgomery and Matt Patterson: Other resources: The Challenge of Acts: Rediscovering What the Church Was and Is by N. T. Wright: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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643: How Trump Won the Election with David French
11/13/2024
643: How Trump Won the Election with David French
It’s been a week since the election and why Americans voted to send Donald Trump back to the White House is beginning to come into focus. The entire Holy Post team—Phil, Skye, Kaitlyn, and Esau—is here to talk about why Trump won and how Harris lost. Was it the economy? Was it racism and misogyny? Was it identity politics or disinformation in the media? Everyone has a theory. Then New York Times columnist and Holy Post regular, David French, is back to give his take on the election. He explains why Kamala Harris’s decision to focus on abortion backfired, and why January 6 did not disqualify Trump for most Americans. 0:00 - Intro 1:21 - Theme Song 1:42 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 2:42 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 3:50 - Show Starts 5:46 - The Shattered Democrat Coalition 10:09 - Why the Voting Patterns Shifted 15:40 - Paternalistic Party Messaging 22:11 - The Meatloaf Delusion 34:20 - Grieving to Avoid Political Resentment 39:05 - Faith Groups Mobilizing to Help Immigrants and Refugees 45:41 - Resisting Dehumanization 51:12 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 52:30 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 53:40 - Interview 58:25 - How Abortion Influenced this Election 1:04:56 - Why Didn’t Trump’s Baggage Matter? 1:15:31 - The Guard Rails of Democracy 1:20:49 - Trump’s Westeros 1:27:50 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at The Shattering of the Democratic Coalition The Link Between Media Consumption and Public Opinion Faith Groups Mobilize to Protect Migrants and Refugees Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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642: How the Friendship of Lewis & Tolkien Changed the World with John Hendrix
11/06/2024
642: How the Friendship of Lewis & Tolkien Changed the World with John Hendrix
The 2024 election is finally here. Who won? We don’t know because we recorded this episode on Monday. But we do know that MAGA men are not happy about their wives secretly voting for Kamala Harris. And a new study finds trust in American institutions—especially the media—continues to decline. Is there a way to reverse the trend? Then, to take an overdue break from politics, Skye talks to author and illustrator, John Hendrix, about his new graphic non-fiction book “The Mythmakers” about the remarkable friendship between C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien. It’s a fun conversation about faith, fantasy, and just a little bit of nerdiness. Also this week—a Japanese village populated with puppets will fuel your nightmares. 0:00 - Intro 1:31 - Show Starts 3:04 - Theme Song 3:25 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:27- Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 5:38 - Skye’s Ominous New Hat 10:30 - Japanese Village Makes Puppet Population 17:25 - Ad for Women to Vote Harris in Secret? 25:10 - One Vote per Household? 30:00 - Declining Trust in Institutions? 36:15 - Cold War and Institutional Trust 40:40 - Legal Accountability 45:10 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 46:28 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 47:37 - Interview 50:56 - The Making of “The Mythmakers” 55:50 - The Unlikely Friendship of Lewis and Tolkien 59:50 - Lewis and the True Myth 1:04:46 - Disenchanted Fandoms 1:09:35 - The Fellowship Divided 1:15:13 - Illustrating Tolkien and Lewis 1:19:23 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Japanese Puppet Village Declining Trust in Institutions: Other resources: The Mythmakers: The Remarkable Fellowship of C. S. Lewis & J. R. R. Tolkien by John Hendrix: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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641: The Roots of Racial & Environmental Injustice with David Swanson
10/30/2024
641: The Roots of Racial & Environmental Injustice with David Swanson
With only a week before the presidential election, Phil and Kaitlyn are joined by Mike Erre to discuss Trump’s rally at Madison Square Garden. Why do so many white evangelicals ignore the racism, misogyny, and dehumanizing rhetoric coming from the MAGA movement? It is really about supporting certain policies or the idolatry of power? Then, David Swanson is back to discuss his latest book, “Plundered: The Tangled Roots of Racial and Environmental Injustice.” Swanson says we will be compelled to engage both issues when we see their shared origin in the sin of greed. Also this week—the waffle apocalypse is upon us! 0:00 - Mike Attempts to Be The Host 00:48 - Intro 2:30 - Show Starts 5:16 - Theme Song 5:38 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 6:43 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 7:50 - Phil Requests Voxology Podcast Coloring Sheets 11:38 - Mass Waffle Listeria Recall 16:19 - Trump Had a Rally 27:04 - Power Worship 41:18 - Centering Christ While Discussing Politics 45:20 - Seth Erie and the Shemah 53:04 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 54:08 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to 55:06 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! Interview 56:11 - Connecting Creation Care and Racial Justice 1:06:08 - Creation as a Gift 1:11:48 - How to Start Understanding Your Environment 1:16:51 - Living Transitory Lives as Christians 1:35:09 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Waffle Recall: Kaitlyn’s Romans 13 Video: Other resources: Plundered: The Tangled Roots of Racial Environmental Injustice by David W. Swanson: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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640: Holy Post LIVE from Chicago with Charlie Dates
10/23/2024
640: Holy Post LIVE from Chicago with Charlie Dates
Today’s episode is all content from our recent live event in Chicago. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the rapid shift in public opinion about immigration—and it’s not just among Republicans. Why is support for immigration down dramatically among Democrats and independents too? Then Charlie Dates, the pastor of Progressive Baptist Church and Salem Baptist Church in Chicago, joins the show to talk about the widening divide between the black church and white evangelicalism, why he’s tired of talking about white evangelicals, and where he sees hope for the future of the church in the U.S. And Holy Post producer, Mike Stralow, challenges the hosts to a quiz show decathlon. Plus, Al Pacino says there’s no afterlife, and scientists discover strategically constipated tadpoles. Head over to Holy Post Plus for the full unedited version: 0:00 - Intro 1:50 - Show Starts 2:23 - Theme Song 4:14 - Al Pacino Didn’t Go to Heaven 8:36 - News of the Butt: Strategically Constipated Tadpoles 15:42 - Public Opinion Shift on Immigration 19:35 - Thermostatic Public Opinion 24:00 - How the Church Can Approach Division 34:23 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 35:32- Sponsor - The Pour Over - Stay informed while remaining focused on Christ with The Pour Over Today. Check it out at 36:43 - Interview with Charlie Dates 39:47 - The Black Church and Political Polarization 46:50 - Why Talk Specifically About “The Black Church” Rather Than Just “The Church?” 55:20 - Cynicism and White Naivete 1:04:50 - Pastors Excluded from Activism 1:12:43 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 1:13:52 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 1:14:58 - What Would 2024 Skye and Phil Tell 2012 Skye and Phil? 1:19:13 - What Would 2024 Kaitlyn and Charlie Tell 2012 Kaitlyn and Charlie? 1:34:26 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Al Pacino’s Near Death Experience: Tadpoles Hold in Their Poop: Thermostatic Politics: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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639: The Apostle to the Apostles with Jennifer Powell McNutt
10/16/2024
639: The Apostle to the Apostles with Jennifer Powell McNutt
The election is just three weeks away and Phil is exhausted, Kaitlyn is concerned that evangelicals supporting Harris are making the same mistake as those supporting Trump, and Skye blames the whole mess on WWJD bracelets. Based on Kaitlyn’s recent Religion News Service article, the Holy Post crew discuss a better way for Christians to think about politics and voting. Then, Wheaton College professor of theology and history, Jennifer Powell McNutt, talks to Skye about her new book, “The Mary We Forgot.” She argues that the Mary Magdalene we encounter in the Gospels is not a scandalized prostitute, but a significant supporter of Jesus’ ministry and “the apostle to the apostles.” Also this week—more useless fruit fly science. 0:00 - Intro 1:51 - Show Starts 4:54 - Theme Song 5:15 - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 6:21 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 9:18 - Fruit Fly Study on Swallowing and Happiness 15:21 - Kaitlyn Learns About 80’s Bands 18:30 - Kaitlyn’s Schiess’s Political Method Article 23:15 - Simplicity and WWJD Bracelets 31:50 - Methods and Conclusions 47:50 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to ;x 48:58 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 50:04 - Interview 53:04 - Different Views of Mary Magdalene 56:44 - Church History and Interpretations of Mary Magdalene 1:06:15 - Mary Magdalene the Tower 1:18:16 - Mary Magdalene the Apostle to the Apostles 1:24:15 - How Mary Magdalene Points to Christ 1:26:58 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at Fruit Flies Get Happy from Swallowing In Search of a Christian Political Method with Kaitlyn Schiess: Other resources: The Mary We Forgot: What the Apostle to the Apostles Teaches the Church Today by Jennifer Powell McNutt: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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638: Keep Christianity Weird & Lessons from the Church Abuse Scandal with Kristen Kobes Du Mez
10/09/2024
638: Keep Christianity Weird & Lessons from the Church Abuse Scandal with Kristen Kobes Du Mez
Being a cultural Christian used to be an insult, but more people are embracing the label with pride. The Holy Post crew unpacks what’s behind the growing affection for cultural Christianity, and they explain why it’s more important than ever to embrace the weird, supernatural beliefs of the faith. Historian Kristen Kobes Du Mez is back to discuss her new documentary, “For Our Daughters,” about the sexual abuse scandals that have shaken the faith of many in the church. She sees a link between the theology and culture that created and covered-up sexual abuse in the church, and the rise of political idolatry within evangelicalism. Also this week—hurricanes are now political, and a Haitian pastor in New Hampshire with a sense of humor invites pets to his church. For Our Daughters Full Documentary: Holy Post Plus: Getting Schooled: Debt and Theology 101 0:00 - Intro 1:18 - Show Starts 3:24 - Theme Song 3:45 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 7:18 - Terry Gilliam’s News of the Butt 10:30 - Haitian Priest Blesses Pets 15:05 - Hurricane Helene 23:02 - Cultural Christianity Michael Bird Article 34:58 - Why Christian Beliefs are Necessary for Christian Virtue 53:47 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 54:53 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 56:00 - Interview 1:02:26 - How Women are Blamed for Men’s Sins 1:08:47 - Are Churches Better Prepared to Address Sexual Abuse? 1:14:54 - Is the Culture More Likely to Call Out Abuse Now? 1:18:17 - The Link Between January 6 and Sexual Abuse Scandals 1:24:04 - Will There Be a Church Backlash if Kamala Wins? 1:29:04 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at Haitian Priest Blesses Pets: Disaster Relief for Hurricane Helene: The Rise of Cultural Christianity: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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637: Your Church is Too American with Steve Bezner
10/02/2024
637: Your Church is Too American with Steve Bezner
Steve Bezner, a pastor in Houston, had a troubling realization—his people were being shaped more by social media, YouTube, and cable news than by the Bible, and their views of money, sex, and power looked more American than Christian. He talks with Kaitlyn about his new book, “Your Jesus Is Too American,” and how being more relational than organizational may be the first step toward healing our churches. Also this week, are American evangelicals going through the five stages of grief? If so, what does it mean to accept our loss of cultural influence? For the first time, new data says Gen Z men are more religious than Gen Z women. Why are young women leaving the church and why are young men coming? Plus, now even gorillas are addicted to smartphones. 0:00 - Intro 1:46 - Show Starts 2:52 - Theme Song 3:14 - Sponsor - Zondervan - The NIV, Upside-Down Kingdom Bible helps you flip earthly wisdom on its head - Go to 4:20 - Sponsor - BioLogos - Go to and check out the Language of God podcast! 5:20 - Kohl’s Makes Decisions Easier 6:28 - Gorillas Getting Too Much Screentime at the Zoo! 11:42 - Accepting Lost Evangelical Influence 18:07 - Collaborating as Political Minorities 31:42 - Are Young Men Taking Over the Church? 51:39 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 53:37- Interview 59:10 - How We’ve Failed to Disciple People About Sex 1:06:48 - Prophetic Politics 1:13:50 - Church Pain 1:19:36 - Community Service in the Church 1:28:38 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Gorillas and Screen Time The Acceptance Stage of Lost Evangelical Influence America’s Young Men Are Falling Even Further Behind Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: The Pope’s Humility & the Joy of MAGA
09/27/2024
French Friday: The Pope’s Humility & the Joy of MAGA
In a military operation straight out of a spy novel, Israel infiltrated Hezbollah’s communication networks and detonated pager bombs and walkie talkies. David French and Skye discuss the operation and the long term ramifications. Then, they break down Pope Francis’ controversial comments on salvation that have sparked backlash among conservative Catholics. Finally, they unpack a surprising trend: why are young men returning to church in greater numbers than women? Is it a sign of hope for the church, or something more complicated? 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts, Update on Israel 13:19 - David French on the Pope Francis 18:50 - The Pope and Existential Humility 27:56 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 29:04 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 30:35 - MAGA’s Delight in Outrage 44:48 - Young Men Are Now More Religious Than Young Women 49:40 - Are Economic Shifts Drawing Men Towards the Church? 54:57 - How Secular Marketing Strategies are Changing the Church 57:46 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: David French on Pope Francis: Men Are Now More Religious Than Women: MAGA Will Fall for Anything: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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636: America’s Government Teacher on Hope & Resilience with Sharon McMahon
09/25/2024
636: America’s Government Teacher on Hope & Resilience with Sharon McMahon
With both the election and polls getting closer, new research from Lifeway says a record number of pastors are refusing to say who they’re voting for—even on an anonymous survey. Mike Erre says he wouldn’t answer the survey either. His reason may surprise you. Phil explores how Pat Buchanan’s 1992 presidential campaign was a harbinger of today’s politics. And diversity experts featured in Matt Walsh’s new documentary claim he lied to get them to participate in the film. Walsh says it’s okay to lie for the greater good of winning the culture war. Is he right? Then, Kaitlyn interviews America’s Government Teacher and social media sensation, Sharon McMahon, about her new book “The Small and the Mighty.” McMahon says history can give us hope and resilience to live faithfully in our divided times. Also this week—Be careful, that’s not an Oreo on the ground. 0:00 - BioLogos - Go to and check out the Language of God podcast! 1:05 - Intro 2:24 - Preview of The Esau McCaulley Podcast 5:36 - Show Starts 6:58 - Theme Song 7:19 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 8:26 - Skye’s New Hat 13:24 - News of the Oreo Butt 18:27 - LifeWay’s Research on Pastors’ Voting Polls 27:42 - Mike’s Church Navigating the Political Divide 30:58 - The GOP’s Slow Turn from Evangelicalism 42:41 - Has Anti-Immigration Sentiment Become Mainstream in Christianity? 51:00 - Matt Walsh’s “Am I a Racist?” 57:38 - Sponsor- Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to to get yours now! 58:40 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to learn more about refugee resettlement! 59:48 - Interview 1:01:34 - How Did McMahon Get Into Teaching History on the Internet? 1:06:55 - How Do You Engage Online Without Falling Into Outrage? 1:10:30 - What Is Your Most Important Work? 1:16:09 - What Is Your Capacity? 1:27:17 - Septima Clark 1:33:27 - Loving Your Enemies 1:39:16 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Oreo Spider Butts The GOP’s Slow Turn from American Evangelicalism Half of Pastors Plan to Vote for Trump, Nearly a Quarter Wouldn’t Say How Far is Too Far? Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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635: Slandering Haitians & Parents for Peace in Israel/Palestine with Robi Damelin
09/18/2024
635: Slandering Haitians & Parents for Peace in Israel/Palestine with Robi Damelin
During last week’s presidential debate, Donald Trump amplified a false rumor about Haitian immigrants eating pets in Springfield, Ohio. Since then the community, which was already facing significant challenges, has been shaken by deepening divisions, racism, and even bomb threats. We look at how church leaders in Springfield are responding, what’s really behind the pet-eating lie, and why some of Trump’s Christian supporters are embracing the demonstrably false story. Then, Skye talks with Robi Damelin, an 80-year-old peace activist he met during his recent trip to Israel. Robi’s son was killed by a Palestinian sniper in 2002, and since then she’s been partnering with grieving parents in both Israel and Palestine to advocate for peace despite growing resistance from leadership in both communities. Also this week—magic Dorito dust makes mice disappear. 0:00 - Intro 1:56 - Show Starts 4:40 - Theme Song 5:02 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 6:05 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 15% off your first order by going to 7:15 - Invisible Dorito Mice 15:15 - The Presidential Debate 22:57 - Why We’ve Accepted Lying 30:51 - Christians Repairing Divides in Ohio 48:21 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 49:29 - Interview 53:20 - Robi’s First Act of Social Justice 1:01:28 - Vengeance and the Cycle of Violence 1:12:36 - Freed from Victimhood 1:19:17 - Where Are Things Now? 1:24:03 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: The Dye in Doritos Can Make Mice Transparent: Trump’s Lie is Another Test for Christian America: Ohio Haitians Feel Panic, Local Christians Try to Repair Divides: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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634: The Happiness Paradox & Lessons from Life’s Last Room with Amy Low
09/11/2024
634: The Happiness Paradox & Lessons from Life’s Last Room with Amy Low
Today’s show is all about perspective. First, Phil offers his perspective on the news stories fans send him on social media about Icelandic cucumbers and water buffalos, and how they compare to articles he actually likes about robotic mushrooms and avoiding gluteal amnesia. Then, a recent article explores our culture’s focus on products, practices, and apps designed to increase our happiness, and why focusing on happiness is a sure way to miss it. And Christine Emba’s latest article in The Atlantic looks at why government support and financial incentives have failed to reverse declining birthrates in many countries. She argues the decision to have children isn’t about money but meaning. Then Amy Low shares about her memoir “The Brave In-Between” and the perspective she’s gained by living with a terminal cancer diagnosis for five years. Plus, Skye and Mike Erre have different perspectives about holiday decorations. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Amy Low: 0:00 - Intro 1:52 - Show Starts 2:52 - Theme Song 3:14 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:19 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 5:28 - Holiday Decor Disagreements 11:56 - Wounded Water Buffalo 15:11 - Tiktok Blamed for Cucumber Shortage 18:22 - Mushrooms Piloting Robot Hands 22:25 - Dead Butt Syndrome 28:09 - Does Tracking Happiness Make Us Miserable? 41:07 - Is the Decline of Birth Rates Really Economic? 58:45 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 59:52 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to find out how to get two FREE e-learning courses and celebrate World Refugee Day with World Relief! 1:01:06 - Interview 1:06:01 - Why Did Amy Low Write The Brave In-Between? 1:10:10 - What Are the “Rooms” We Go Through in Life? 1:17:00 - The Honesty That Comes Out Near Death 1:23:10 - Where is the Meaning in Pain? 1:31:10 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Water Buffalo That Was on the Loose in Iowa Captured: Viral TikTok Video Creates Cucumber Shortage in Iceland: Robot controlled by a king oyster mushroom blends living organisms and machines: Sitting All Day Can Cause Dead Butt Syndrome: Are We Happy Yet?: The Real Reason People Aren’t Having Kids: Other resources: The Brave In-Between: Notes from the Last Room by Amy Low: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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633: The Head Covering Comeback & Unsung Heroes with Jemar Tisby
09/04/2024
633: The Head Covering Comeback & Unsung Heroes with Jemar Tisby
A very old trend is making a big comeback among Catholic women—veils. Is the turn toward head coverings rooted in Scripture, a desire for sacred symbols, a longing for traditional womanhood, or is it just a nostalgic fashion trend field by TikTok? A new study says what separates conservatives and liberals is how hierarchically they view the world and the importance of maintaining strict boundaries. And why are very conservative political personalities starting to talk more about Christian theology? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn each offer their explanations. Then, Jemar Tisby is back to talk about his new book, “The Spirit of Justice,” and the remarkable stories of heroic, but largely forgotten, Christians in American history. Also this week—hurricanes are blowing cocaine. 0:00 - Intro 2:15 - Show Starts 4:08 - Theme Song 4:30 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:32 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 7:05 - The Cocaine Hurricane Strikes 11:40 - Young Catholics Wearing Veils 21:13 - Do Difference between Liberal and Conservative Come Down to Boundary Lines? 26:03 - Chesterton’s Fence and Wisdom 36:31 - Why Are Right-Wing Political Pundits Invested in Looking for Heresy? 51:31 - Threats to Conservatism Treated as Threats to Christianity 58:37 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 59:42 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 1:01:02 - Interview 1:03:12 - Why Did Jemar Tisby Write The Spirit of Justice? 1:09:04 - How Jamar Tisby Gathered Theological Resources 1:16:38 - How To Be Aware of Injustice 1:20:57 - Women of the Civil Rights Movement 1:27:47 - How to Seek Justice in Your Life 1:33:09 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: The Young Catholic Women Bringing Back Veils: Many Difference between Liberals and Conservatives May Boil Down to One Belief: Other resources: The Spirit of Justice: True Stories of Faith, Race, and Resistance: https://a.co/d/dZG7UAb Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: Are the Political Parties Trading Places?
08/30/2024
French Friday: Are the Political Parties Trading Places?
For the first time in decades, the Republican Party has removed all pro-life language from the party platform. Trump has also called for less free-trade, more government regulation, and he is indifferent about Russian aggression in Europe. At the same time, the Democratic Party is embracing patriotism, law and order, tax cuts, and retreating from its more progressive social and environmental policies. What's happening? David French and Skye Jethani discuss the realignment of the parties and whether this is a permanent change or just temporary rhetoric. Plus, French explains why he decided to endorse Kamala Harris after voting for write-in candidates in 2016 and 2020. 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts 2:20 - Would French Voting Third Party Be Just as Controversial as Voting Kamala? 14:00 - Trump Betraying Pro-Choice is No Surprise 19:50 - Are The Parties Flipping Sides? 33:45 - What Happens to the GOP When Trump Leaves? 40:50 - Is the DNC Actually Changing? 59:08 - End Credits Other resources: David French on Voting for Harris to Save Conservatism: David French's Pro-Life Case for Harris: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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632: Smartphones & Spiritual Formation with Jonathan Haidt
08/28/2024
632: Smartphones & Spiritual Formation with Jonathan Haidt
As we start a new academic year, school districts throughout the country are increasingly banning smartphones. No one is more responsible for this trend than Dr. Jonathan Haidt. He talks to Skye about his latest book, “The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness,” and how smartphones are also interfering with our spiritual lives, and what Christian communities can do about it. Also this week—Donald Trump has completely abandoned the pro-life movement, sending some conservative evangelicals into a political crisis. Chick-Fil-A is launching its own streaming network, but will you be able to watch content on Sundays? And scientists discover Phil’s new favorite deep sea worm. 0:00 - Intro 1:42 - Show Starts 5:08 - Theme Song 5:29 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 6:35 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to 8:06 - News of the Butt - The Pigbutt Worm 16:40 - Chick-Fil-A’s Streaming Service 22:55 - How Pro-Life Groups Are Responding to Trump Dropping Pro-Life Platform 26:12 - Are the Democrats and Republicans Telling the Same Story About the World? 35:46 - Does the Lack of a Pro-Life Candidate Mean Conversations About Other Issues? 43:47 - Not Into Pep Rallies 47:00 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 48:05 - Interview 50:21 - Responses to The Anxious Generation 55:29 - The Collective Action Problem 1:04:08 - Why the Partial Phone Ban in Schools Doesn’t Work 1:10:45 - How the Medium of Phones Create Loneliness 1:19:58 - How Religion Combats the Negative Effect of Phones 1:24:34 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Pigbutt Worm: Chick-Fil-A Hatches a Streaming Service: Other resources: The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness: The Anxious Generation: On The Degrading Effects of Life Online: After Babel: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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631: Evangelicals for Harris & Holy Land Theology with Gary Burge
08/21/2024
631: Evangelicals for Harris & Holy Land Theology with Gary Burge
In the last two presidential elections about 8 in 10 evangelicals voted for Donald Trump, but can Kamala Harris steal some of those votes in 2024? We discuss the recent “Evangelicals for Harris” call and why it’s so difficult to get Christians to think more theologically about politics. Ed Stetzer argues that abortion should still be a top priority when voting, and Tyler Huckabee says we should be uncomfortable endorsing any candidate. Then, Skye talks to New Testament professor, Dr. Gary Burge, about the ongoing Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and what the Bible really says about Israel’s claim on the Holy Land. 0:00 - Intro 1:30 - Show Starts and Kaitlyn’s Opinion on Vacations 4:53 - Theme Song 5:16 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 6:21 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 15% off your first order by going to 12:21 - Discussing the Evangelicals for Harris Call 21:08 - Jemar Tisby and Thick vs Thin Theology 29:03 - Ed Stetzer and the Umpire Analogy 33:30 - Which Party is Better for the Pro-Life Movement? 43:40 - Phil’s TwiXter on Watching Political Conventions as a Nonpartisan 48:14 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 49:21 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 50:34 - Interview 53:22 - What Got Gary Burge Involved with the Middle East Conflict 1:00:46 - Genesis Chapter 12 and the Prosperity Gospel 1:08:28 - The Ancient Understanding of Land Ownership 1:18:22 - Orthodox Jews and Modern Israel 1:25:38 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Ed Stetzer on What’s a Pro-Life Christian to Do in This Election: Tyler Huckabee on Why He’s Not a Christian for Kamala: Other resources: Whose Land? Whose Promise?: What Christians Are Not Being Told About Israel and the Palestinians by Gary Burge: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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630: Pain & God’s Presence with Dave Gibbons
08/14/2024
630: Pain & God’s Presence with Dave Gibbons
We all hear stories of people walking away from faith because of cultural challenges and hypocrisy in the church. That’s what makes Dave Gibbons' new memoir, “The Shape of My Eyes,” so powerful. He joins Skye to talk about growing up within American fundamentalism as a mixed-race kid, and how he encountered God despite deep family trauma and church dysfunction. Also this week—Mike Erre joins the crew to talk about the ongoing fallout from Megan Basham’s new book, David French’s decision to endorse Kamala Harris, and the rise of the post-religious right. Plus, cannibal frog sermon illustrations. 0:00 - Intro 1:03 - Show Starts 3:41 - Theme Song 4:02 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:06 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to find out how to get two FREE e-learning courses and celebrate World Refugee Day with World Relief! 10:07 - Frog Cannibalism Sermon Illustrators 14:56 - Phil Accused by Megan Basham of Being a Sellout 22:08 - Do the Facts Matter? 28:48 - Conflating Christianity and Republican Party Issues 34:57 - David French Voting for Harris??? And Mike the Anabaptist 46:09 - The Post-Religious Right 52:14 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 53:22 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 54:28 - Interview 56:10 - Why Did Dave Gibbons Write “The Shape of My Eyes?” 1:02:32 - How Did His Trauma Impact His Faith? 1:10:44 - Encountering God 1:22:10 - On the Verge of Renaissance 1:25:53 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Cannibal Frogs: Phil’s Article about Shepherds for Sale: David French on Why He’s Voting for Harris: Ross Douthat Tweet: Other resources: The Shape of My Eyes: A Memoir of Race, Faith, and Finding Myself by Dave Gibbons: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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629: The Politics of Division with Adam Kinzinger
08/07/2024
629: The Politics of Division with Adam Kinzinger
Donald Trump made headlines last week when he questioned Kamala Harris’s racial identity. Phil, Skye, and Esau McCaulley discuss his comments and how the politics of division often cause us to categorize people into a single box. Then, should Christians embrace the spiritual uses of psychedelic drugs? Megan Basham's new book claims progressive powerbrokers have corrupted evangelical leaders with money, praise, and prestige, but many of her citations are being called into question. Which evangelical leaders are really being seduced by money? Then former Congressman, Adam Kinzinger, sits down with Skye to talk about the relationship between Christianity and the Republican Party, what comes after Trump, and the outsized role of fear in our politics 0:00 - Intro 1:40 - Show Starts 4:06 - Theme Song 4:26 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:38 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 8:36 - Esau’s Article, “Turning Black” 14:08 - Race’s Loaded Categories 21:55 - Psychedelics in Worship? 29:23 - Do We Try to Control God’s Presence? 35:00 - Shepherds for Sale 50:45 - Conforming to Agenda 54:36 - Sponsor - Pro Grace - Go to to get resources on representing God well on divisive issues 55:49 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 56:55 - Interview 1:00:32 - When Did Kinzinger Decide to Stand Against Trump? 1:10:15 - How Powerful Political Fear Controls People 1:25:13 - The Religious Fervor Around Donald Trump 1:29:22 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: On Turning Black: Christian Psychedelic Festival: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: Childless Sociopaths & Evangelical Outrage
08/02/2024
French Friday: Childless Sociopaths & Evangelical Outrage
David French joins to discuss J.D. Vance's comments about "childless sociopaths," pro-natalist government policy, the Olympics's Last Supper-esque display, and Robert Downey Jr. returning to the MCU. Are anti-immigration policies actually even "preserving our culture?" And why are fundamentalists so eager to consider themselves persecuted? 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts 2:36 - J. D. Vance's "Sociopathic Childless Cat Ladies" 6:31 - Having Children and Selfishness 12:48 - Making Personal Experiences Universal 25:00 - Government's Attempts at Pro-Natalism 29:55 - The Devaluation of Immigration 37:52 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit and join The Path to help vulnerable people around the world! 38:56 - The Boredom of the Paris Olympics' Last Supper 42:54 - Does Our Peaceful Posture Affect the Discourse? 53:36 - Advice Skye Got About Criticism 1:09:27 - End Credits Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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628: Olympic Outrage & the New Testament in Color with Esau McCaulley & Amy Peeler
07/31/2024
628: Olympic Outrage & the New Testament in Color with Esau McCaulley & Amy Peeler
The opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics sparked outrage when drag queens assembled into a scene reminiscent of the Last Supper. Are Christians right to be offended? Oklahoma is requiring public schools to teach the Bible, but some teachers are resisting. Is this really about education or indoctrination? And Kaitlyn’s latest article explains why this election is important, but maybe not an “existential threat.” New Testament scholars, Esau McCaulley and Amy Peeler, discuss their new multi-ethnic Bible commentary “The New Testament in Color” and why we should read Scripture with friends from diverse backgrounds. Plus, a flip-flop fail in Death Valley. 0:00 - Intro 1:30 - Show Starts 2:50 - Theme Song 3:10 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 4:17 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 6:10 - Flip Flops in Death Valley 8:58 - Olympic Drag Queen Last Supper 23:38 - Oklahoma Bible-Education Mandate 36:53 - France vs Oklahoma 42:31 - Why Turn Down the Rhetoric on Political Panic? 48:06 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit and join The Path to help vulnerable people around the world! 48:58 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 50:05 - Interview 51:45 - Where Did “The New Testament in Color” Start? 1:00:38 - Will Cultures Continue into Heaven? 1:11:23 - Why Face Hard Questions? 1:18:48 - What Are the Biblical Reasons to Study How Cultures and Ethnicities Understand Things? 1:25:15 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Man Who Lost Flip Flops Death Valley Hospitalization Burned Feet: Paris Olympics Organisers Apologize to Christians for Last Supper Parody: Oklahoma Superintendent Vows to Force Schools to Teach Bible, Issuing Guidance: Kaitlyn’s Article About Existential Political Rhetoric: Other resources: The New Testament in Color: A Multiethnic Bible Commentary: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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SKYEpod - SkyeDive: Certainty & Stupidity
07/26/2024
SKYEpod - SkyeDive: Certainty & Stupidity
We're sharing a SKYEpod episode that was previously exclusively for Holy Post Plus subscribers—this one's a "SkyeDive," meaning it's just Skye digging deep into a topic. If you like this episode, consider becoming a Holy Post Plus subcriber to get weekly SKYEpod episodes, merchandise, bonus interviews, and more! Skye talks about how our certainty often conflicts with humility—with disastrous results, like declining churchgoing rates, alien doomsday cults, and dead bellringers. Holy Post Plus: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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627: Heritage Americans & Palestinian Christians with Munther Isaac
07/24/2024
627: Heritage Americans & Palestinian Christians with Munther Isaac
Following the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, some are saying that God saved his life for a divine purpose. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye discuss the selective use of Christian rhetoric surrounding the former President. Then, multiple speakers at the Republican convention used anti-immigrant language associated with the “heritage Americans” movement. We examine the movement and its link to the isolationist and racist policies of the 1920s. And Skye welcome Rev. Dr. Munther Isaac, the pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem, to talk about the Palestinian Christian community in the Holy Land and the impact of the war in Gaza on the church. 0:00 - Go to and use code SUMMER50 to get 50% off your order. This code expires August 31st, so head there now! 0:36 - Intro 1:52 - Show Starts 3:14 - Theme Song 3:38 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:42 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 5:54 - Update on Lisa Vischer 6:55 - RNC, Biden Dropout—The Apple Cart is Upset! 9:52 - Messianic Interpretations of the Trump Assassination Attempt 18:26 - What Events Do We Assume Are Divine Intervention? 25:50 - Why is Trump Still Winning? 31:45 - The Politically Unengaged, Patriotic, and Exhausted 37:00 - Heritage Americans 45:38 - Reputational Challenges Facing Harris 50:42 - Sponsor - Better Help - Get 10% off your first month at 51:50 - Interview 53:16 - The Christian Palestinian Community 1:04:47 - Palestinian Christian Reactions to October 7th 1:10:20 - The American Church’s Effect on the War 1:16:52 - The Positive Impact of Palestinian Christians 1:22:47 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Kaitlyn’s Appearance on NPR: Skye Jethani’s Racism and Immigration Video: Other resources: The Other Side of the Wall: A Palestinian Christian Narrative of Lament and Hope: Christ at the Checkpoint Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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626: Political Violence & the Narrow Path with Rich Villodas
07/17/2024
626: Political Violence & the Narrow Path with Rich Villodas
On Saturday, Donald Trump narrowly survived an assassin’s bullet. Will this begin to turn down the dehumanizing and apocalyptic rhetoric in our politics, or will it only add fuel for conspiracy theories and extremists? Rich Villodas is back to talk about his new book on the Sermon on the Mount—“The Narrow Path.” He says obeying the sermon “is not how we achieve salvation; it's how we demonstrate it.” And the fact that so few Christians seem to take Jesus’ commands seriously calls their salvation into question. Also this week, Phil reports from “Med City” and Kaitlyn introduces us to Persian ice cream. Holy Post Plus Bonus Interview 0:00 - Go to and use code SUMMER50 to get 50% off your order. This code expires August 31st, so head there now! 0:35 - Intro 1:49 - Show Starts 3:26 - Theme Song 3:47 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:00 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 6:10 - Phil’s Adventure in Med City 10:40 - Club 33 15:33 - Where the Holy Post Crew Was When They Heard About Trump’s Assassination Attempt 19:11 - The Aftermath of the Shooting 34:15 - Catastrophizing, Social Media, and Violence 53:15 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 54:23 - Interview 58:55 - The Sermon on the Mount and Building House on Rock 53:57 - Why did Campbell write about Christian Nationalism? 1:04:06 - Moralism, Successism, and Individualism 1:08:03 - Does the American Church Lack Salvation? 1:16:53 - Prayer is the Secret to Walking the Narrow Path 1:28:05 - End Credits Other resources: The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our Souls by Rich Villodas: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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625: Loving Our Christian Nationalist Neighbors with Caleb Campbell
07/10/2024
625: Loving Our Christian Nationalist Neighbors with Caleb Campbell
It’s one thing to fight against a heresy, but what about the people caught in its grasp? Caleb Campbell’s new book, “Disarming Leviathan,” argues Christian Nationalism is an idolatrous, anti-Christian movement, but that we ought to take a gentle, loving, and missional posture toward our friends and neighbors following it. Also this week, Ronald Reagan often said America was a shining “city upon a hill.” Derwin Gray joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the phrase, its original context in the Sermon on the Mount, and how Puritan colonists used it very differently than modern politicians. Plus, what’s behind all of the hot A.I. images of Jesus? Holy Post Plus Discussion of Project 2025 0:00 - Intro 1:18 - Show Starts 3:18 - Theme Song 3:40 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:44 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 5:52 - Responding to Feedback on Debate Coverage 12:26 - Shining City on a Hill 19:42 - Guiding People Away from Idolatry 30:36 - Perfect Love Casts Out Fear 34:41 - Hot A.I. Jesus 49:30 - Sponsor - Go to and start your song – after you purchase, you’ll be prompted to add Spotify Streaming for your original song for FREE - a $50 value! 50:49 - Sponsor - Wheaton Graduate School - Learn in a rich, rigorous Christian environment - 51:49 - Interview 53:57 - Why did Campbell write about Christian Nationalism? 1:15:15 - Practical Advice 1:23:53 - What About Flipping Tables? 1:33:14 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Is America a City on a Hill or a Nation on the Precipice? Hot AI Jesus is Huge on Facebook Other resources: Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor by Caleb Campbell: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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624: The Debate Debacle & Our Broken Political Parties with Chris Butler & Justin Giboney
07/03/2024
624: The Debate Debacle & Our Broken Political Parties with Chris Butler & Justin Giboney
In this special episode, Kaitlyn and Skye are joined by the co-hosts of the Church Politics podcast, Justin Giboney and Chris Butler, to discuss the fallout from last week’s presidential debate. Will President Biden drop out? What does the Supreme Court’s ruling about presidential immunity mean for a possible second Trump term? And why have both political parties nominated candidates who are demonstrably incapable of fulfilling the presidential oath of office? It’s a wide-ranging conversation about the broken state of American politics and where Christians can find hope. 0.00 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - “This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at faithfulcounseling.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off 1:08 - Intro 2:26 - Theme Song 2:47 - Show starts 4:35 - Recapping the Presidential Debate 10:00 - Fallout from Biden’s Debate Performance 22:00 - Our Broken Political System 40:10 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to https://www.athleticgreens.com/HOLYPOST 41:35 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to www.SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 42:41 - Predictions for the rest of the election season 1:05:10 - Trump Immunity Case Ruling 1:19:00 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Register for the Holy Post Hangout in Wheaton, IL - Check out The Church Politics Podcast - Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: Feckless Politicians & Fearful Churches
06/28/2024
French Friday: Feckless Politicians & Fearful Churches
As the Supreme Court releases a slate of new rulings the justices appear to be sending a message: "Congress, do your job!" David French explains to Skye Jethani why congressional leaders are increasingly reluctant to take votes or pass laws, how this is making the presidency dangerously powerful, and why the courts are saying it's unconstitutional and harmful to democracy. Then, David tells why his former denomination canceled him—with some members even calling him a "heretic"—despite his full agreement with all of their doctrine and positions. Why are so many churches being driven by fear and non-essential beliefs? 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts 1:17 - Garland V. Cargill 5:34 - Trump Changing Statutes 9:20 - Obama Changing Statutes 13:50 - Congress Refusing to Pass Laws 20:33 - Why Congress Doesn’t Want to Pass Laws 29:51 - How Low-Information Voters Feed Into This Ecosystem 32:06 - The Right Thing to Do vs Appeasing the Mobs 42:05 - When Every Issue is Considered a Fundamental 49:16 - When Every Issue is a Foreground Decision 58:16 - What a Partisan Fears 1:01:20 - Capitulation is Not Peace, the Center Does Not Hold 1:07:23 - End Credits Other resources: Advisory Opinions on Recent Supreme Court Decisions: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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623: Posting the 10 Commandments & America’s Secular Future with John Dickson
06/26/2024
623: Posting the 10 Commandments & America’s Secular Future with John Dickson
Louisiana has passed a law requiring the Ten Commandments be posted in every public school classroom. Supporters say it’s about respecting history, law, and the country’s religious heritage. Critics argue it’s completely unconstitutional. What’s really behind the new law? John Dickson says secularism in Australia is ten years ahead of the U.S., and there are valuable lessons the American church can learn from his country about how to thrive in a post-Christian society. Also this week—after two more megachurch pastor scandals we have to ask what’s wrong with our ministry culture. And whales display a dirty new defense against predators. 0.00- Intro 1:41- Show Starts 2:34 - Theme Song 2:56 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:02 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to download your family refugee guide and learn more about the Path Community 5:08 - News of the Butt 10:30 - Tony Evans and Robert Morris Step Down from Senior Pastor Roles 25:25 - 10 Commandments Must Be Displayed in Louisiana Classrooms 46:50 - Lisa Vischer Update 51:50 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get on your way to being your best self. 52:58 - Sponsor - Go to to sign up for Skye Jethani’s devotional, With God Daily 54:35 - Interview 1:31:23 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Sperm Whale Poop Cloud Louisiana’s Ten Commandments Mandate David French on the Ten Commandments Other resources: The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism by Tim Alberta: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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622: How Ideological Purity is Killing Churches with Ryan Burge
06/19/2024
622: How Ideological Purity is Killing Churches with Ryan Burge
Remember when churches were seeker-sensitive? The goal was to grow by welcoming newcomers, skeptics, and non-believers. But now it seems some evangelical churches and denominations are more worried about ideological purity than outreach. Sociologist, political scientists, and pastor Ryan Burge is back to talk about the self-defeating trend toward subtraction rather than addition in the church. Also this week, the Southern Baptists decide not to ban all women pastors…yet. Megan Basham claims evangelical leaders aren’t selling out to conservative constituents, but to gain the approval of liberal elites. Death cafes open in L.A., and the Swiss are making tiny computers from brain cells. What could possibly go wrong? 0:00 - Intro 1:18 - Show Starts 3:14 - Theme Song 3:35 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:47 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get 15% off your first order by going to 5:58 - Democracy Betrays News of the Butt 6:38 - What Could Possibly Go Wrong with Swiss Brain-Computers 13:02 - SBC Law Amendment Denied Ratification 20:33 - Baptist Church Conservative Resurgence 25:03 - Being a Cultural War Symbol Rather Than a Person 30:20 - Shepherds for Sale and How Everyone Has Economic Benefit 36:37 - The Temptation to Look Down on Others 41:55 - Modern Death Cafes in Los Angeles 44:28 - Sleeping in a Room with a Casket 51:40 - Sponsor - Better Help - “This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get on your way to being your best self.” 52:40 - Interview 59:56 - American Behavior Changing Faster Than Their Beliefs 1:05:43 - The Disappearance of The Christian Left 1:09:22 - Strict Churches vs Moderate Churches 1:22:10 - The Nicene Creed, Doctrine, and Dogma 1:31:53 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Swiss Startup Connects 16 Human Mini-Brains to Create Low Energy ‘Biocomputer’: SBC Law Amendment Vote: Modern Death Cafes in LA: Other resources: Cafeteria Catholicism: Americans Dropping Out of Everything: Most Americans are Still Christians: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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621: The Rise of Christian Extremism with Elizabeth Neumann
06/12/2024
621: The Rise of Christian Extremism with Elizabeth Neumann
After working for the Department of Homeland Security, and more than twenty years as a counterterrorism expert, Elizabeth Neumann says the greatest threat to the U.S. is no longer international Islamic terrorism but domestic Christian extremists. She discusses her new book, “Kingdom of Rage,” with Skye and how conspiracy theories and violent political ideologies have infiltrated American evangelicalism. Also this week, the Southern Baptists debate which is the greater threat to the faith—the Nicene Creed or female pastors. And new data says drinking and smoking has plummeted among teenagers. Should we thank churches or smartphones? Holy Post Plus: 0:00 - Intro 1:22 - Show Starts 4:15 - Theme Song 4:37 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:42 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to find out how to get two FREE e-learning courses and celebrate World Refugee Day with World Relief! 6:49 - Why Phil Was Expelled from Bible School (It’s Less Scandalous Than You Think!) 9:42 - The Annual SBC Meeting and Women Preaching, the Law Amendment 13:48 - Conservative SBC and Why Churches Split 19:26 - Motivations Behind Doctrine Changes matter 31:38 - Drinking, Smoking, and Chewing Tobacco Uncommon Amongst Gen Z 37:18 - Drinking’s Down, Depression’s Up 42:07 - The Church Community Stands Out in an Age of Loneliness 47:13 - Sponsor - Go to to sign up for Skye Jethani’s devotional, With God Daily 48:51 - Interview 54:04 - From Focusing on International Threats to Domestic Threats 58:13 - The Mainstreaming of Replacement Theory 1:04:54 - How Neumann Avoided Radicalization 1:09:40 - The Needs That Make People Susceptible to Radicalization 1:18:18 - The Scale That Makes Domestic Radicalization a Huge Threat 1:25:04 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: The SBC’s Proposed Law Amendment Does Going to Church Keep High Schoolers from Drinking and Smoking? Other resources: Kingdom of Rage: The Rise of Christian Extremism and the Path Back to Peace: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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620: Applying the 7 Deadly Sins in a Secular Age with Elizabeth Oldfield
06/05/2024
620: Applying the 7 Deadly Sins in a Secular Age with Elizabeth Oldfield
Lord Acton famously said, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Was he right? Mike Erre is back to discuss the way Christians think about power, and why he believes our pursuit of power over the world is not the way of Jesus. Then, author Elizabeth Oldfield talks with Kaitlyn about her new book, “Fully Alive,” which uses the Seven Deadly Sins as a bridge for introducing secular people to the wisdom of Christianity. Also this week—the verdict in the Trump trail, a very unique fossil museum opens in Arizona, and Phil creates a fun new game for Christians called “Is It Persecution?” 0:00 - Intro 2:09 - Show Starts 4:15 - Theme Song 4:37 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 5:56 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 7:09 - Wearing Cicadas 9:13 - News of the Pooseum 13:11 - New Game: Am I Being Persecuted? 18:55 - Donald Trump Martyr Complex 29:15 - Mike on Politically-Driven Spiritual-Malformation 34:13 - Fitch and The Ontologically-Rooted Corruption of Power 52:37 - Sponsor - Go to and start your original song! 53:55 - Sponsor - Better Help - Get 10% off your first month at 54:55- Interview 56:26 - Elizabeth Oldfield’s Faith Background 1:00:39 - Writing with a Secular Audience in Mind 1:03:48 - What Radicalized the Republican Voter Base? 1:12:13 - PLM Syndrome 1:18:53 - Attention vs. The Deadly Sin of Sloth 1:24:17 - Why Save God for the End of the Book? 1:29:39 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Pooseum: Reckoning with Power: Why the Church Fails When It’s on the Wrong Side of Power by David Fitch: Other resources: Fully Alive: Tending to the Soul in Turbulent Times by Elizabeth Oldfield: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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