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Join VeggieTales and What's in the Bible? creator Phil Vischer and co-host Skye Jethani (author, speaker, pastor) for a fast-paced and often funny conversation about pop culture, media, theology, and the fun, fun, fun of living a thoughtful Christian life in an increasingly post-Christian culture.
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659: The Root of Racism is Greed Not Hate with Malcolm Foley
03/05/2025
659: The Root of Racism is Greed Not Hate with Malcolm Foley
After a made-for-T.V. meltdown in the Oval Office between President Trump and President Zelensky of Ukraine, the administration cut all military aid to Ukraine and sided with Russia instead. Will this cause some evangelicals to rethink their support for Trump, and if so where will they go? Two popular Christian books are saying that empathy is manipulative at best, or downright sinful at worst. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn examine their arguments. Most Christians probably believe that racism is rooted in hate or ignorance, but historian Malcolm Foley says it’s really all about greed. Until we understand the economic origins of racism, he says, the church won’t be equipped to fight it. Also this week—name five things you did last week to justify your existence. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview: Ad-free Version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:57 - Theme Song 3:18 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:13 - Sponsor - Pique - Pique’s tea is a superfood in a cup! Comes with a frother and glass beaker—get the starter kit at 5:50 - Five Things to Justify Your Existence 9:24 - Zelensky and Trump 19:26 - Cutting Off Therapeutic Food 26:35 - The Divide of Politics and Personal Ethics 30:20 - The Sin of Empathy 40:35 - Misidentifying the Problem 55:19 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 56:25 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 57:42 - Interview 59:50 - What Links Theology and Finance? 1:03:35 - How Greed Leads to Racism 1:18:00 - Love as a Material Relationship 1:30:52 - End Credits Resources: The Anti-Greed Gospel: Why the Love of Money in the Root of Racism and How the Church Can Create a New Way Forward by Malcolm Foley: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: A Unified Theory of Trump
02/28/2025
French Friday: A Unified Theory of Trump
In his first month in office, Donald Trump has broken international agreements with allies, ended all foreign aid, voted with America's enemies in the UN, posted a plan to turn Gaza into a Trump casino and resort, purged the Pentagon of military commanders, appointed podcasters and conspiracy theorists to his cabinet, and threatened to invade or annex Canada, Greenland, and Panama. David French and Skye Jethani discuss various theories to explain Trump's approach to governing, and find one model that makes a lot of sense in an article by Jonathan Rouch. Then they contrast it with what the Founders said was necessary for the republic to survive—virtue. Finally, they discuss how the decline of virtue in American leadership may be the fruit of the church's failure to make disciples. 0:00 - French Friday's Moving to The SkyePod! 1:27 - The Theme Song 2:23 - Ukraine and Trump 8:11 - Trump 1.0 vs Trump 2.0 16:43 - Triumphalism's Shelf Life 25:53 - Bureaucracy vs Mob Boss 32:38 - Megachurches and Patrimonialism 39:38 - American Democracy and Christianity 55:52 - Prophecy's Role in MAGA 1:05:00 - End Credits One Word Describes Trump (Article by Jonathan Rauch): Cross Purposes: Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy by Jonathan Rauch: Pursuit of Happiness: How Classical Writers on Virtue Inspired the Lives of the Founders and Defined America by Jeffrey Rosen:
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658: Justice, Mercy, & Becoming Good News People with Derwin Gray
02/26/2025
658: Justice, Mercy, & Becoming Good News People with Derwin Gray
Has Wheaton College, the flagship of evangelical higher ed, gone woke? Concerned parents and alumni have published a letter accusing the school of valuing diversity more than discipleship. Others have responded by defending Wheaton against the unfounded claims of the MAGA mob. What does the controversy reveal about the state of evangelicalism in the U.S.? A new piece by friend of the show, Karen Swallow Prior, explores the relationship between justice and mercy. Does emphasizing one value more than the other explain the rift in the American church? Derwin Gray is back to discuss his new book, “Lit Up With Love.” He explains how evangelism fits into the bigger narrative of the Bible, and how our reconciliation with God impacts our reconciliation with others. Also this week—North Dakota officially rejects the kingship of Jesus. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 4:07 - Theme Song 4:29 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:26 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 8:09 - Legal Resolution to Recognize Kingship of Jesus 12:56 - Wheaton Controversy, Russell Vought 18:42 - Wheaton, the Cultural Institution 31:03 - Justice and Mercy 37:05 - The Necessity of Wisdom 41:10 - What is Legalism? 53:03 - Sponsor - Fabric by Gerber Life - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at 54:08 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 55:20 - Interview 56:28 - Lit Up With Love 1:00:03 - Appetizer for the New Creation 1:06:11 - Confrontational Evangelism 1:15:10 - The Risk of Loving the Church 1:25:52 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: North Dakota House Rejects “Kingship of Jesus” Resolution: Mercy and Justice, False Dichotomy Other resources: Lit Up with Love: Becoming Good-News People to a Gospel-Starved World by Derwin Gray: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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The SkyePod - SkyeDIVE: Worship & Justice
02/21/2025
The SkyePod - SkyeDIVE: Worship & Justice
Skye explains the strong biblical ties between two seemingly related concepts: worship and justice. Can you even have one without the other? Get the full episode by signing up for Holy Post Plus:
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657: The Government, God, & Grift with Katherine Stewart
02/19/2025
657: The Government, God, & Grift with Katherine Stewart
Since WWII, the United States has been actively engaged in foreign aid as part of its strategic foreign policy, and Christians of all theological and political views have broadly supported this effort. In the first month of the Trump administration, however, Christians on the far right have suddenly turned against international aid. What’s behind this change and are there parallels on the religious left? And what does it mean when MAGA Catholics are arguing directly with Pope Francis about immigrants, refugees, and the poor? Author and journalist, Katherine Stewart, has investigated the religious nationalist movement for 15 years. She says there’s a major disconnect between the super-rich funding the movement (many aren’t even Christians), and the average white evangelicals caught up in its conspiracy theories and events. She talks with Skye about her new book, “Money, Lies, and God.” Also this week—Phil looks at larvae and sees the face of God. World Relief Advocate: Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview: Ad-Free version of this episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:28 - Theme Song 2:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 3:55 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 5:32 - News of the Termite-Faced Butts! 12:03 - Space Force Skye 19:20 - Is Humanitarian Aid Biblical? 24:32 - Romans 13 37:35 - Are Anti-Foreign Aid Arguments Consistent? 51:35 - Sponsor - Bushnell University - Equip yourself to be transformative in your community! Go to 52:28 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to download your family refugee guide and learn more about the Path Community 53:44 - Interview 57:03 - Information Bubbles 1:03:33 - Is this All a Grift? 1:10:11 - The Inconsistencies of MAGA 1:20:17 - Red Caesar 1:25:52 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: World Relief Advocate: Termite-Face-Butts! Pope Francis and American Catholics Clash: Trump Demonizes Faith-Based Partners and Government Grants Other resources: Money, Lies and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy by Katherine Stewart: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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656: Defunding USAID and Blue Like Jazz’s Gospel of Vibes with Ross Douthat
02/12/2025
656: Defunding USAID and Blue Like Jazz’s Gospel of Vibes with Ross Douthat
The White House is defunding USAID, one of the largest distributors of foreign aid, and blaming it on wasteful spending—like a D.E.I musical in Ireland. But as Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn unpack, the real losers are Christian relief organizations like World Relief and Catholic Charities, which now face devastating budget cuts. Then, it’s been over 20 years since the release of Blue Like Jazz, the bestselling book that made faith feel cool. Did it offer a helpful critique of evangelicalism, or was this the beginning of the rise of vibes-based Christianity? Also, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat joins Skye to discuss his new book, Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious. He explains why our increasingly secular culture is still drawn to spirituality and why rejecting religious institutions in favor of “DIY faith” may not be the answer. Plus, we have a trailer for a new season of Why I’m Still a Christian. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Ross Douthat: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:18 - Theme Song 2:41 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 3:45 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 8:25 - Trump and Christian Persecution 12:22 - Elon Shuts Down USAID 19:53 - Did USAID Really Fund That? 24:29 - Principle of Unitary President 35:42 - Blue Like Untethered Christianity 39:57 - Consumerist Christianity and Vibes 46:41 - Why I’m Still a Christian Season 2 Sneak Peak! 48:05 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 50:08 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 51:11 - Interview 52:30 - A Case for Religion? 56:26 - Why Not Just Argue for Jesus? 1:02:23 - Are Secular Circles Falling Apart? 1:11:00 - Fine Tuning Argument 1:23:04 - Why Not Pursue Spirituality on Your Own? 1:28:05 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Editorial: SIlence in the Face of Trump’s Cruelty is Complicity: Contact Bishops and Diocese by State: USAID Trump Fact Checker: Blue Like Jazz: Other resources: Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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655: What If Jesus Was Serious About Justice with Skye Jethani
02/05/2025
655: What If Jesus Was Serious About Justice with Skye Jethani
During a recent Fox News interview, Vice President J.D. Vance cited “an old school and very Christian concept” to justify rejecting refugees and ending international aid. Bishops from his own church disagreed. The Holy Post crew explores the concept Vance was citing, how he misunderstands it, and why his interpretation undermines the entire New Testament. Kaitlyn interviews Skye about his new book, “What If Jesus Was Serious About Justice?” They talk about the link between justice and worship, what it means to have a heart “far from God,” and why the doctrine of penal substitutionary atonement is biblical but taught in a proudly unbiblical way in many churches. Also this week, Phil returns to Twitter and learns who Margaret is. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Skye Jethani: 0:00 - Sponsor - Bushnell University - Equip yourself to be transformative in your community! Go to 0:49 - Show Starts 3:20 - Theme Song 3:42 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 4:45 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 6:09 - Inauguration 7:27 - Tariff Fight! 12:03 - Twitter’s a Dirty Aquarium 17:29 - Who’s Margaret and Should She Care? 20:52 - The American Council of Bishops 24:22 - Augustine and Ordo Amoris 31:56 - Scripture and Ordo Amoris 37:36 - Case for Christian Nationalism 43:23 - The Resurrection Disrupts Politics 48:22 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 49:28 - Sponsor - Pique - Pique’s tea is a superfood in a cup! Comes with a frother and glass beaker—get the starter kit at 51:08 - Interview 53:05 - Justice and Social Justice 1:01:10 - Oppression Beyond Identity 1:09:55 - God’s Justice and Mercy 1:14:42 - Penal Substitutionary Atonement 1:22:45 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: JD Vance is Wrong: Jesus doesn’t ask us to rank our love for others: Other resources: What if Jesus Was Serious About Justice by Skye Jethani: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: What Happened to Checks & Balances?
01/31/2025
French Friday: What Happened to Checks & Balances?
David French brings us his thoughts on why the GOP is no longer the party of the Constitution. Have political party allegiances broken the system? What Constitutional guard rails can operate when people are worried about falling out of the President’s favor? Then, he talks about Carl Schmitt, a German political thinker who may have the key to understanding the difference between the politics we’re used to—and the emerging politics of the New Right. David French’s article on Schmittian politics: 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Show Begins 2:11 - Tiktok—banned or not? 8:10 - Does Trump obey the Supreme Court? 15:30 - Resistant Bacteria Analogy 24:26 - Senators Following the People 27:29 - Political Parties as Checks 34:45 - The Gingrich-Clinton Wars 41:28 - Schmitt and MAGA Morality 53:15 - The Moment for Courage 1:04:52 - End Credits
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654: Inauguration Consternation & Respecting Refugees with Matthew Soerens
01/29/2025
654: Inauguration Consternation & Respecting Refugees with Matthew Soerens
The first week of the second Trump administration has seen refugees cut off and January 6th criminals cut loose. Franklin Graham declared in his inauguration prayer that God himself had chosen the President. The MAGA faithful applauded this mix of Christian faith and politics, but when Bishop Budde asked the President to “show mercy” to frightened people during her homily at the National Cathedral, she was accused of everything from political activism to witchcraft. Phil has a theory about what these two religious leaders at the inauguration reveal about the state of American Christianity. Then Matthew Soerens from World Relief is back to discuss Trump’s immediate shut down of all refugee resettlement, including cutting all financial aid previously promised to refugees already in the U.S. What’s behind the President’s aggressive policy, and how can we practically help our neighbors abandoned by the government that brought them here? Also this week—reanimated squirrels and Skye wears a red hat. 0:00 - Show Starts 4:14 - Theme Song 4:36 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 5:42 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 10:54 - Inauguration 20:57 - The Demonization of Empathy 27:08 - Loyalty Buys Protection 32:26 - Cruelty as Proof of Allegiance 39:30 - Created Order vs. the Marginalized 59:07 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 1:00:08 - Sponsor - The NIV Lectio Bible - A simple, ancient way to read the library of scripture. Find it at or wherever Bibles are sold! 1:01:17 - Sponsor - J29 Coalition - Guide your church into a Christ-centered approach to politics! Visit to sign up today 1:02:24 - Interview 1:05:50 - The Refugee Resettlement Program 1:09:44 - We Invited Refugees 1:15:22 - What Options to Help Refugees 1:21:45 - Helping Local Immigrant Communities 1:28:10 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Evangelicals Made a Bad Trade: Collision of Two Christianities: Other resources: Learn how recent executive orders are having a devastating impact on thousands of refugees and humanitarian programs both in the U.S. and globally, and find out how you can help make a difference! Learn more: Partner with World Relief: Sign the Christian Statement on Refugee Resettlement: Easy tool to contact Congress with talking points: Access This Toolkit to Get Involved: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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653: Character, Christian Colleges, & Why Trump Won with Robert P. Jones
01/22/2025
653: Character, Christian Colleges, & Why Trump Won with Robert P. Jones
According to New York Times columnist, David Brooks, our society has given up on moral formation to focus instead on individual success and happiness. Can we recover a culture of shared virtue? Surprising new data shows that overall college enrollment is down, but Christian colleges and universities are growing. What’s the explanation? Then Robert P. Jones, from PRRI, is back to unpack the numbers from the presidential election. Why did more Latinos support Trump, and are Democrats learning the wrong lessons from their loss? Also this week—animals hold grudges. List of Ways to Contribute: Holy Post Plus: Getting Schooled - Communion 201 0:00 - Show Starts 3:17 - Theme Song 3:40 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 4:43 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 5:50 - The Inauguration 8:30 - Connecting to Relief Work 12:05 - Ants’ Tiny Grudges 17:30 - Character Building Toolkit 24:28 - Morally Fragmented World 39:21 - Christian College Growth 44:52 - Sponsor - J29 Coalition - Guide your church into a Christ-centered approach to politics! Visit to sign up today 45:58 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 47:15 - Interview 48:50 - Lack of Change 57:01 - Don’t Overread 1:12:44 - Fatigue 1:17:38 - Pray for Wisdom 1:21:40 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: World Relief: Christian Colleges Continue to See Enrollment Growth: Biologists Antagonised Ants: Other resources: The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy: and the Path to a Shared American Future by Robert P. Jones: White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity by Robert P. Jones: Robert P. Jones’ Substack: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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652: Families Need Formation Not Formulas with Emily McGowin
01/15/2025
652: Families Need Formation Not Formulas with Emily McGowin
How can we help those impacted by the L.A. wildfires? Because of A.I., climate change, and falling fertility rates, Ezra Klein says we are living “in the age of monsters,” but is he really just upset about Trump? And how is technology fundamentally rewiring our brains to avoid social interaction, and what should we do about it? Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye offer their suggestions. Then Kaitlyn talks with Wheaton College theology professor Emily McGowin about her new book, “Households of Faith,” and what it means to think of our families formationally rather than formulaically. Also this week—the new Holy Post studio is killer! 0:00 - Show Starts 2:16 - Theme Song 2:38 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 3:56 - Sponsor - Learn from some of the world’s most brilliant minds with this 10-day event at Calvin! Go to 7:57 - California Wildfires 15:22 - The Time of the Monsters 25:11 - The Time for Churches 31:25 - The Anti-Social Century 39:12 - Tiktok and Lonely Routines 45:25 - Bring Back Youth Group! 51:14 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 52:16 - Sponsor - Pique - Pique’s tea is a superfood in a cup! Comes with a frother and glass beaker—get the starter kit at 53:53 - Sponsor - J29 Coalition - Guide your church into a Christ-centered approach to politics! Visit to sign up today 55:00 - Interview 56:42 - Why Write About Family? 1:00:40 - Discernment and Improvisation 1:08:04 - Family of God 1:16:05 - Sabbath for Fellowship 1:22:31 - Rhythms of Life 1:29:30 - End Credits Households of Faith: Practicing Family in the Kingdom of God by Emily Hunter McGowin: Links Mentioned in News Segment: Ezra Klein’s “Now is the Time of the Monsters:” The Anti-Social Century: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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651: The Jimmy Carter Cudgel & Preparing for Mass Deportations with Gabriel Salguero
01/08/2025
651: The Jimmy Carter Cudgel & Preparing for Mass Deportations with Gabriel Salguero
Former president and born again Christian, Jimmy Carter, died at the age of 100. As the media reflects on his legacy of public service and humanitarianism, some are contrasting Carter’s faith with that of conservative white evangelicals. Esau McCaulley says Carter is being used as a cudgel by progressives to shame their political opponents. Is he right? Skye and Phil unpack two explanations for the country’s rejection of President Carter for Ronald Reagan in 1980. Was Carter too liberal or too humble? Then, pastor and Holy Post Pundit, Gabriel Salguero, is back to talk about a second Trump administration’s plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants, and how Christians and church leaders should hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Also this week—Phil wants to do a telethon for turtles. Holy Post Plus Getting Schooled - Heresy 101: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:51 - Theme Song 4:12 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout 5:15 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 6:54 - News of the Bubble Butt Turtles 16:15 - Jimmy Carter’s Legacy 23:36 - Is Carter Popular for Being a Progressive Evangelical? 30:36 - Carter, Mr. Rogers, and Pope Francis 49:42 - Sponsor - Wheaton - Go to to learn more about the Doctor of Ministry program at the Wheaton College grad school 50:46 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 51:53 - Interview 59:24 - The Ambiguity of the Trump Administration 1:11:46 - Developing a Pastoral Response 1:22:03 - Signs of Mass Deportation 1:28:18 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Sea Turtle Bubble Butt 3D Printing: Jimmy Carter Embodied the “Road Not Taken” by Many White Evangelical Christians: Jimmy Carter’s Life Should Make Christian Right Feel Ashamed: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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650: Mailbag: Past Regrets, Future Hopes, & Fitting Everyone in Heaven
01/01/2025
650: Mailbag: Past Regrets, Future Hopes, & Fitting Everyone in Heaven
Happy new year! We’re starting 2025 by answering questions from the Holy Post audience. You’ve asked us about movies and shows we are looking forward to this year, and what regrets we have about things we’ve said in the past. Phil explains his fashion choices, Skye explains why he’s still a conservative, and Kaitlyn has an idea for replacing “News of the Butt.” Plus, will there be enough room for everyone in the new heavens and earth? 0:00 - Show Starts 2:57 - Theme Song 3:18 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 4:26 - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 5:33 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 8:20 - Skye's FBI Hat 11:42 - Public Statement Regrets 18:50 - News of the Butt Replacement? 22:01 - Movies and Shows Coming Out in 2025 26:15 - Loving Your Enemies When They're Hurting Others 35:37 - Holy Post: Liberal or Conservative? 47:35 - What Should Phil Wear? 52:44 - Not a Political Talk Podcast 1:03:57 - How to Fit All the People in Heaven 1:10:09 - End Credits Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: The End of #MeToo
12/27/2024
French Friday: The End of #MeToo
The MeToo movement was a huge cultural movement—but now, many major government leaders with sexual abuse scandals under their belt seem to go under the radar—how did we get to this point? And what about the aftermath of the ChurchToo movement? David and Skye discuss this, as well as a case in the Supreme Court about Tennessee’s ban on transgender medical intervention for kids. 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Show Begins 7:19 - MeToo as a Christian Ethic 12:34 - False Safety in Christian Subculture 22:48 - The Bad Patterns in the Aftermath 28:45 - Bon on Transgender Medical Intervention for Kids 35:14 - Rational Basis Example 44:45 - Tattoos and Parental Consent 52:09 - David’s Prediction on the Court Ruling 58:15 - Looking Forward to Superman 1:06:23 - End Credits Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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649: The Christmas Story Facts & Fiction with Nijay Gupta
12/25/2024
649: The Christmas Story Facts & Fiction with Nijay Gupta
Merry Christmas! In celebrity conversion news, Denzel Washington got baptized at his church in Harlem just days before his 70th birthday and became a licensed minister, and New York Times columnist, David Brooks, has written about his surprising journey from agnosticism to Christianity. What do these stories tell us about our culture’s ongoing hunger for God? On the other side, David French explains why some Christians now think cruelty is acceptable. New Testament scholar, Nijay Gupta, is back to talk about what the Gospels actually say about Jesus’ birth, and what our Christmas pageants get right and very wrong about the story. Also this week—an airport in New Zealand bans hugs longer than three minutes Sponsor - Logos Bible Study App: If you want to simplify your study and go deeper into Scripture, visit www.logos.com/holypost. You can get started for free with an exclusive extended 2-month free trial. Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to www.hiyahealth.com/HOLYPOST to receive 50% off your first order Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at https://www.faithfulcounseling.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off Links Mentioned in the News Segment Is this airport’s 3-minute limit on goodbye hugs ‘inhumane’? Denzel Washington Gets Baptized and Becomes a Minister During Live Streamed Ceremony: 'It Took a While but I'm Here' Opinion | The Shock of Faith: It’s Nothing Like I Thought It Would Be
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648: Hurt & Healed by the Church with Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez
12/18/2024
648: Hurt & Healed by the Church with Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez
A Catholic bishop, with a social media following second only to the Pope, is proving that dumbing down the faith is the wrong way to reach young adults. But is his celebrity status getting in the way? A new study finds the most generous people are also the most likely to consistently read the Bible. Kaitlyn talks to Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez about telling the truth to the church out of love. Her new book, “Being a Sanctuary,” is honest about the harms many churches are causing, but also shows how the church is the key to healing. Also this week—rat race cars in Froot Loop land. Holy Post Plus Hills to Die On: 0:00 - Intro 1:19 - Show Starts 2:42 - Theme Song 3:03 - Sponsor - Aura Frames - Exclusive $45-off Carver Matte at . Use code HOLYPOST at checkout to save! 4:06- Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 5:16 - Skye’s Dead Salmon Hat 8:15 - Rats Driving Little Cars! 12:50 - Rats Love Driving Little Cars! 21:26 - Bible-Readers Donate More? 25:38 - Are Bible-Readers More Communal? 37:50 - Father Robert Barron 48:33- Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 49:36 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 50:55 - Interview 53:32 - Why Did She Write Being a Sanctuary? 56:38 - The Starbucks Church Model 1:03:25 - Disagreeing Within the Church 1:13:05 - Approaching Looking for a New Church 1:24:20 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Bishop Robert Barron: Rats Driving Little Cars! Christians Who Read Bible Are More Charitable: Other resources: Being a Sanctuary: The Radical Way for the Body of Christ to Be Sacred, Soft, and Safe by Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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647: The Death of Dating & Megachurch Anti-Racism with Hahrie Han
12/11/2024
647: The Death of Dating & Megachurch Anti-Racism with Hahrie Han
More Americans than ever are single but they’re not happy about it. A new article in The Atlantic examines how the sexes are drifting apart, why more men are looking for a partner than women, and the side-effects of using an app rather than community to find a date. Then, political scientist Hahrie Han’s new book “Undivided” explores why the racial solidarity program at an evangelical megachurch was more successful than corporate DEI programs, and how that success created unexpected challenges for the predominantly white church. Also this week: the Swiss make an A.I. Jesus, and a Chicago school kid makes a medical breakthrough. Holy Post Plus Bonus Interview: 0:00 - Intro 1:08 - Show Starts 2:47 - Theme Song 3:09 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:13 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:21 - Listener Shirt Sent In 9:26 - News of the Butt 12:46 - AI Jesus Confessional 16:04 - Why Not an AI Priest? 21:46 - Are People Dating Anymore? 27:17 - Men’s Delayed Adulthood 34:45 - The Church as Family 51:42 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 52:47 - Sponsor - Aura Frames - Exclusive $45-off Carver Matte at . Use code HOLYPOST at checkout to save! 53:53 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 54:58 - Interview 58:00 - Why Write About the Undivided Program? 1:09:06 - What Problems Did Undivided’s Success Cause? 1:18:23 - Jesus and “Being Apolitical” 1:29:13 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Swiss ‘AI Jesus’ The Death of America Romance Other resources: Undivided: The Quest for Racial Solidarity in an American Church by Hahrie Han: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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646: The Late Great Hal Lindsey & Writing Prayers with Douglas McKelvey
12/04/2024
646: The Late Great Hal Lindsey & Writing Prayers with Douglas McKelvey
Many ideas about the end times including the role of Israel, the mark of the beast, and the rapture became popular through Hal Lindsey’s best-selling book from the 1970s, “The Late Great Planet Earth.” Lindsay died last week at 95. We discuss his legacy and how his book is still shaping the American church long after most of its theology has been debunked. Then, Kaitlyn talks to Douglas McKelvey about his series of prayer books, “Every Moment Holy.” He explains the value of using written prayers and not just spontaneous ones, and how to find God in the ordinary activities of life. Also this week—why are Bible sales way up but church attendance still declining? And 80’s orca fashion makes a comeback. Holy Post Plus My Hill to Die On: Tipping 0:00 - Intro 1:50 - Show Starts 3:29 - Theme Song 3:50 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:53 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 6:14 - Orcas Wearing Fish Hats 13:22 - Hal Lindsey and End Times 26:51 - End Times and an Enchanted World 32:26 - Bible Sales Up! 42:07 - Sponsor - Aura Frames - Exclusive $45-off Carver Matte at . Use code HOLYPOST at checkout to save! 43:11 - Sponsor - Visit and get the professional faith-based counseling that you need. 44:15 - Interview 46:32 - Why Was Every Moment Holy Written? 52:13 - Why Pray Prayers Someone Else Wrote? 58:36 - What Prayers Made it Into the Book? 1:06:21 - How Is Every Moment Holy Used? 1:16:30 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Orcas Wearing Fish Hats: “Late Great Planet Earth” Author Passes Away: Sales of Bibles Are Booming: Other resources: Every Moment Holy - Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: "Nerdfest 2024"
11/29/2024
French Friday: "Nerdfest 2024"
David French has finally watched Rings of Power season two—and he and Skye don’t quite have the same feelings about it. They compare it to House of the Dragon’s more cynical fantasy world—and why Dune is maybe closer to Tolkien than Martin. They also talk about the Penguin crime drama series, the upcoming Superman movie, and Silo. 0:00 - Theme Song 0:18 - Show Begins 1:16 - David’s Take on Rings of Power 5:40 - Skye’s Beef with Rings of Power 13:20 - House of the Dragon 21:52 - World War I 26:45 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 27:50 - Sponsor - Go to and use code CURIOUSLY to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 28:57 - Dune 34:55 - Dark Matter 37:28 - Penguin 41:04 - Looking Forward to Superman 48:56 - End Credits
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645: The Red Letter Legacy of Tony Campolo with Shane Claiborne
11/27/2024
645: The Red Letter Legacy of Tony Campolo with Shane Claiborne
Mike Erre joins Phil and Skye to discuss how to survive the holidays. What’s the best way to engage (or disengage) a contentious relative who wants to argue about politics, and how do we remain united as churches and families in these divided times? Professor, author, and preacher Tony Campolo died last week. Shane Claiborne returns to discuss his friendship with Campolo and his legacy of challenging the American church with the “red letters” of the Bible. Also this week—what’s the real goal behind protecting public nativity displays, and disappointed political witches. 0:00 - Intro 1:33 - Show Starts 2:50 - Theme Song 3:12 - Sponsor - Wheaton Graduate School - Learn in a rich, rigorous Christian environment - 4:20 - Sponsor - BioLogos - Go to and check out the Language of God podcast! 5:24 - Interview 6:42 - Political Witches 12:54 - The Liberty Council’s Annual Report 17:19 - Tony Campolo’s Passing 26:35 - Being Grateful 46:03 - Favorite Conflict-Deflection Topic 54:05 - Sponsor - Aura Frames - Exclusive $45-off Carver Mat at . Use code HOLYPOST at checkout to save! 55:43 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 56:48 - Interview 1:06:34 - Dealing with Pushback 1:12:00 - Where “Red Letter Christians” Comes From 1:20:46 - What Tony Was Like to Be Around 1:29:15 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Witches Report Their Spells Against Trump Aren’t Working: “He Has a Shield” Liberty Council’s Friend or Foe Campaign: Tony Campolo’s Story Other resources: With God Daily with Skye Jethani: Voxology Podcast with Mike Erre: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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644: Unplugging from Politics & the Real Meaning of Acts with N.T. Wright
11/20/2024
644: Unplugging from Politics & the Real Meaning of Acts with N.T. Wright
After an exhausting year of politics and the re-election of Donald Trump, what is a faithful way for Christians to navigate the next four years? Should we continue to immerse ourselves in political news, or is it better to disconnect from the media? And should Christians join the political fights online, or unplug to better serve our local communities? The Holy Post crew responds to articles by a number of Christians leaders addressing these questions. Then, New Testament scholar, N.T. Wright, is back to discuss the book of Acts. Wright says an understanding of ancient temples is the key to the message of Acts. Also this week—the origin of F-words. Holy Post Plus Bonus Interview with N. T. Wright: 0:00 - Intro 0:38 - Show Starts 1:30 - Theme Song 1:51 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 2:55 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 6:15 - Trump Cabinet Picks and Praying for Leaders 15:33 - Russell Moore on Getting Through the Trump Years 27:20 - Is the Church a Turtle? 33:39 - The Wisdom Literature 41:20 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 42:25 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get the special Christmas deal of up to 30% off your first order by going to 43:30 - Interview 47:18 - The Holy Spirit Before Pentecost? 52:09 - Ananias and Sapphira 56:17 - Why Did Early Christians Still Go to the Temple? 1:04:55 - The Church, Division, and Revelation 1:16:55 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at Farming Gave Us “F” and “V” How to Get Through the Next Four Years: Go Slow and Repair Things: All Sides News Source Of Time and Turtles: Mending the World, Shell by Shattered Shell: A Heartwarming Compassionate Portrait of Injured Turtles, Perfect for Nature Lovers by Sy Montgomery and Matt Patterson: Other resources: The Challenge of Acts: Rediscovering What the Church Was and Is by N. T. Wright: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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643: How Trump Won the Election with David French
11/13/2024
643: How Trump Won the Election with David French
It’s been a week since the election and why Americans voted to send Donald Trump back to the White House is beginning to come into focus. The entire Holy Post team—Phil, Skye, Kaitlyn, and Esau—is here to talk about why Trump won and how Harris lost. Was it the economy? Was it racism and misogyny? Was it identity politics or disinformation in the media? Everyone has a theory. Then New York Times columnist and Holy Post regular, David French, is back to give his take on the election. He explains why Kamala Harris’s decision to focus on abortion backfired, and why January 6 did not disqualify Trump for most Americans. 0:00 - Intro 1:21 - Theme Song 1:42 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 2:42 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 3:50 - Show Starts 5:46 - The Shattered Democrat Coalition 10:09 - Why the Voting Patterns Shifted 15:40 - Paternalistic Party Messaging 22:11 - The Meatloaf Delusion 34:20 - Grieving to Avoid Political Resentment 39:05 - Faith Groups Mobilizing to Help Immigrants and Refugees 45:41 - Resisting Dehumanization 51:12 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 52:30 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 53:40 - Interview 58:25 - How Abortion Influenced this Election 1:04:56 - Why Didn’t Trump’s Baggage Matter? 1:15:31 - The Guard Rails of Democracy 1:20:49 - Trump’s Westeros 1:27:50 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at The Shattering of the Democratic Coalition The Link Between Media Consumption and Public Opinion Faith Groups Mobilize to Protect Migrants and Refugees Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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642: How the Friendship of Lewis & Tolkien Changed the World with John Hendrix
11/06/2024
642: How the Friendship of Lewis & Tolkien Changed the World with John Hendrix
The 2024 election is finally here. Who won? We don’t know because we recorded this episode on Monday. But we do know that MAGA men are not happy about their wives secretly voting for Kamala Harris. And a new study finds trust in American institutions—especially the media—continues to decline. Is there a way to reverse the trend? Then, to take an overdue break from politics, Skye talks to author and illustrator, John Hendrix, about his new graphic non-fiction book “The Mythmakers” about the remarkable friendship between C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien. It’s a fun conversation about faith, fantasy, and just a little bit of nerdiness. Also this week—a Japanese village populated with puppets will fuel your nightmares. 0:00 - Intro 1:31 - Show Starts 3:04 - Theme Song 3:25 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:27- Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 5:38 - Skye’s Ominous New Hat 10:30 - Japanese Village Makes Puppet Population 17:25 - Ad for Women to Vote Harris in Secret? 25:10 - One Vote per Household? 30:00 - Declining Trust in Institutions? 36:15 - Cold War and Institutional Trust 40:40 - Legal Accountability 45:10 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 46:28 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 47:37 - Interview 50:56 - The Making of “The Mythmakers” 55:50 - The Unlikely Friendship of Lewis and Tolkien 59:50 - Lewis and the True Myth 1:04:46 - Disenchanted Fandoms 1:09:35 - The Fellowship Divided 1:15:13 - Illustrating Tolkien and Lewis 1:19:23 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Japanese Puppet Village Declining Trust in Institutions: Other resources: The Mythmakers: The Remarkable Fellowship of C. S. Lewis & J. R. R. Tolkien by John Hendrix: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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641: The Roots of Racial & Environmental Injustice with David Swanson
10/30/2024
641: The Roots of Racial & Environmental Injustice with David Swanson
With only a week before the presidential election, Phil and Kaitlyn are joined by Mike Erre to discuss Trump’s rally at Madison Square Garden. Why do so many white evangelicals ignore the racism, misogyny, and dehumanizing rhetoric coming from the MAGA movement? It is really about supporting certain policies or the idolatry of power? Then, David Swanson is back to discuss his latest book, “Plundered: The Tangled Roots of Racial and Environmental Injustice.” Swanson says we will be compelled to engage both issues when we see their shared origin in the sin of greed. Also this week—the waffle apocalypse is upon us! 0:00 - Mike Attempts to Be The Host 00:48 - Intro 2:30 - Show Starts 5:16 - Theme Song 5:38 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 6:43 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 7:50 - Phil Requests Voxology Podcast Coloring Sheets 11:38 - Mass Waffle Listeria Recall 16:19 - Trump Had a Rally 27:04 - Power Worship 41:18 - Centering Christ While Discussing Politics 45:20 - Seth Erie and the Shemah 53:04 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 54:08 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to 55:06 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! Interview 56:11 - Connecting Creation Care and Racial Justice 1:06:08 - Creation as a Gift 1:11:48 - How to Start Understanding Your Environment 1:16:51 - Living Transitory Lives as Christians 1:35:09 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Waffle Recall: Kaitlyn’s Romans 13 Video: Other resources: Plundered: The Tangled Roots of Racial Environmental Injustice by David W. Swanson: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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640: Holy Post LIVE from Chicago with Charlie Dates
10/23/2024
640: Holy Post LIVE from Chicago with Charlie Dates
Today’s episode is all content from our recent live event in Chicago. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the rapid shift in public opinion about immigration—and it’s not just among Republicans. Why is support for immigration down dramatically among Democrats and independents too? Then Charlie Dates, the pastor of Progressive Baptist Church and Salem Baptist Church in Chicago, joins the show to talk about the widening divide between the black church and white evangelicalism, why he’s tired of talking about white evangelicals, and where he sees hope for the future of the church in the U.S. And Holy Post producer, Mike Stralow, challenges the hosts to a quiz show decathlon. Plus, Al Pacino says there’s no afterlife, and scientists discover strategically constipated tadpoles. Head over to Holy Post Plus for the full unedited version: 0:00 - Intro 1:50 - Show Starts 2:23 - Theme Song 4:14 - Al Pacino Didn’t Go to Heaven 8:36 - News of the Butt: Strategically Constipated Tadpoles 15:42 - Public Opinion Shift on Immigration 19:35 - Thermostatic Public Opinion 24:00 - How the Church Can Approach Division 34:23 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 35:32- Sponsor - The Pour Over - Stay informed while remaining focused on Christ with The Pour Over Today. Check it out at 36:43 - Interview with Charlie Dates 39:47 - The Black Church and Political Polarization 46:50 - Why Talk Specifically About “The Black Church” Rather Than Just “The Church?” 55:20 - Cynicism and White Naivete 1:04:50 - Pastors Excluded from Activism 1:12:43 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 1:13:52 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 1:14:58 - What Would 2024 Skye and Phil Tell 2012 Skye and Phil? 1:19:13 - What Would 2024 Kaitlyn and Charlie Tell 2012 Kaitlyn and Charlie? 1:34:26 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Al Pacino’s Near Death Experience: Tadpoles Hold in Their Poop: Thermostatic Politics: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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639: The Apostle to the Apostles with Jennifer Powell McNutt
10/16/2024
639: The Apostle to the Apostles with Jennifer Powell McNutt
The election is just three weeks away and Phil is exhausted, Kaitlyn is concerned that evangelicals supporting Harris are making the same mistake as those supporting Trump, and Skye blames the whole mess on WWJD bracelets. Based on Kaitlyn’s recent Religion News Service article, the Holy Post crew discuss a better way for Christians to think about politics and voting. Then, Wheaton College professor of theology and history, Jennifer Powell McNutt, talks to Skye about her new book, “The Mary We Forgot.” She argues that the Mary Magdalene we encounter in the Gospels is not a scandalized prostitute, but a significant supporter of Jesus’ ministry and “the apostle to the apostles.” Also this week—more useless fruit fly science. 0:00 - Intro 1:51 - Show Starts 4:54 - Theme Song 5:15 - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 6:21 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 9:18 - Fruit Fly Study on Swallowing and Happiness 15:21 - Kaitlyn Learns About 80’s Bands 18:30 - Kaitlyn’s Schiess’s Political Method Article 23:15 - Simplicity and WWJD Bracelets 31:50 - Methods and Conclusions 47:50 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to ;x 48:58 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 50:04 - Interview 53:04 - Different Views of Mary Magdalene 56:44 - Church History and Interpretations of Mary Magdalene 1:06:15 - Mary Magdalene the Tower 1:18:16 - Mary Magdalene the Apostle to the Apostles 1:24:15 - How Mary Magdalene Points to Christ 1:26:58 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at Fruit Flies Get Happy from Swallowing In Search of a Christian Political Method with Kaitlyn Schiess: Other resources: The Mary We Forgot: What the Apostle to the Apostles Teaches the Church Today by Jennifer Powell McNutt: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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638: Keep Christianity Weird & Lessons from the Church Abuse Scandal with Kristen Kobes Du Mez
10/09/2024
638: Keep Christianity Weird & Lessons from the Church Abuse Scandal with Kristen Kobes Du Mez
Being a cultural Christian used to be an insult, but more people are embracing the label with pride. The Holy Post crew unpacks what’s behind the growing affection for cultural Christianity, and they explain why it’s more important than ever to embrace the weird, supernatural beliefs of the faith. Historian Kristen Kobes Du Mez is back to discuss her new documentary, “For Our Daughters,” about the sexual abuse scandals that have shaken the faith of many in the church. She sees a link between the theology and culture that created and covered-up sexual abuse in the church, and the rise of political idolatry within evangelicalism. Also this week—hurricanes are now political, and a Haitian pastor in New Hampshire with a sense of humor invites pets to his church. For Our Daughters Full Documentary: Holy Post Plus: Getting Schooled: Debt and Theology 101 0:00 - Intro 1:18 - Show Starts 3:24 - Theme Song 3:45 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:50 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 7:18 - Terry Gilliam’s News of the Butt 10:30 - Haitian Priest Blesses Pets 15:05 - Hurricane Helene 23:02 - Cultural Christianity Michael Bird Article 34:58 - Why Christian Beliefs are Necessary for Christian Virtue 53:47 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 54:53 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 56:00 - Interview 1:02:26 - How Women are Blamed for Men’s Sins 1:08:47 - Are Churches Better Prepared to Address Sexual Abuse? 1:14:54 - Is the Culture More Likely to Call Out Abuse Now? 1:18:17 - The Link Between January 6 and Sexual Abuse Scandals 1:24:04 - Will There Be a Church Backlash if Kamala Wins? 1:29:04 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Thanks to the Litfin Divinity School at Wheaton College for sponsoring our in person events. Learn more at Haitian Priest Blesses Pets: Disaster Relief for Hurricane Helene: The Rise of Cultural Christianity: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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637: Your Church is Too American with Steve Bezner
10/02/2024
637: Your Church is Too American with Steve Bezner
Steve Bezner, a pastor in Houston, had a troubling realization—his people were being shaped more by social media, YouTube, and cable news than by the Bible, and their views of money, sex, and power looked more American than Christian. He talks with Kaitlyn about his new book, “Your Jesus Is Too American,” and how being more relational than organizational may be the first step toward healing our churches. Also this week, are American evangelicals going through the five stages of grief? If so, what does it mean to accept our loss of cultural influence? For the first time, new data says Gen Z men are more religious than Gen Z women. Why are young women leaving the church and why are young men coming? Plus, now even gorillas are addicted to smartphones. 0:00 - Intro 1:46 - Show Starts 2:52 - Theme Song 3:14 - Sponsor - Zondervan - The NIV, Upside-Down Kingdom Bible helps you flip earthly wisdom on its head - Go to 4:20 - Sponsor - BioLogos - Go to and check out the Language of God podcast! 5:20 - Kohl’s Makes Decisions Easier 6:28 - Gorillas Getting Too Much Screentime at the Zoo! 11:42 - Accepting Lost Evangelical Influence 18:07 - Collaborating as Political Minorities 31:42 - Are Young Men Taking Over the Church? 51:39 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 53:37- Interview 59:10 - How We’ve Failed to Disciple People About Sex 1:06:48 - Prophetic Politics 1:13:50 - Church Pain 1:19:36 - Community Service in the Church 1:28:38 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Gorillas and Screen Time The Acceptance Stage of Lost Evangelical Influence America’s Young Men Are Falling Even Further Behind Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: The Pope’s Humility & the Joy of MAGA
09/27/2024
French Friday: The Pope’s Humility & the Joy of MAGA
In a military operation straight out of a spy novel, Israel infiltrated Hezbollah’s communication networks and detonated pager bombs and walkie talkies. David French and Skye discuss the operation and the long term ramifications. Then, they break down Pope Francis’ controversial comments on salvation that have sparked backlash among conservative Catholics. Finally, they unpack a surprising trend: why are young men returning to church in greater numbers than women? Is it a sign of hope for the church, or something more complicated? 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts, Update on Israel 13:19 - David French on the Pope Francis 18:50 - The Pope and Existential Humility 27:56 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 29:04 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 30:35 - MAGA’s Delight in Outrage 44:48 - Young Men Are Now More Religious Than Young Women 49:40 - Are Economic Shifts Drawing Men Towards the Church? 54:57 - How Secular Marketing Strategies are Changing the Church 57:46 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: David French on Pope Francis: Men Are Now More Religious Than Women: MAGA Will Fall for Anything: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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636: America’s Government Teacher on Hope & Resilience with Sharon McMahon
09/25/2024
636: America’s Government Teacher on Hope & Resilience with Sharon McMahon
With both the election and polls getting closer, new research from Lifeway says a record number of pastors are refusing to say who they’re voting for—even on an anonymous survey. Mike Erre says he wouldn’t answer the survey either. His reason may surprise you. Phil explores how Pat Buchanan’s 1992 presidential campaign was a harbinger of today’s politics. And diversity experts featured in Matt Walsh’s new documentary claim he lied to get them to participate in the film. Walsh says it’s okay to lie for the greater good of winning the culture war. Is he right? Then, Kaitlyn interviews America’s Government Teacher and social media sensation, Sharon McMahon, about her new book “The Small and the Mighty.” McMahon says history can give us hope and resilience to live faithfully in our divided times. Also this week—Be careful, that’s not an Oreo on the ground. 0:00 - BioLogos - Go to and check out the Language of God podcast! 1:05 - Intro 2:24 - Preview of The Esau McCaulley Podcast 5:36 - Show Starts 6:58 - Theme Song 7:19 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to to check it out! 8:26 - Skye’s New Hat 13:24 - News of the Oreo Butt 18:27 - LifeWay’s Research on Pastors’ Voting Polls 27:42 - Mike’s Church Navigating the Political Divide 30:58 - The GOP’s Slow Turn from Evangelicalism 42:41 - Has Anti-Immigration Sentiment Become Mainstream in Christianity? 51:00 - Matt Walsh’s “Am I a Racist?” 57:38 - Sponsor- Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to to get yours now! 58:40 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to learn more about refugee resettlement! 59:48 - Interview 1:01:34 - How Did McMahon Get Into Teaching History on the Internet? 1:06:55 - How Do You Engage Online Without Falling Into Outrage? 1:10:30 - What Is Your Most Important Work? 1:16:09 - What Is Your Capacity? 1:27:17 - Septima Clark 1:33:27 - Loving Your Enemies 1:39:16 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Oreo Spider Butts The GOP’s Slow Turn from American Evangelicalism Half of Pastors Plan to Vote for Trump, Nearly a Quarter Wouldn’t Say How Far is Too Far? Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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