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Join VeggieTales and What's in the Bible? creator Phil Vischer and co-host Skye Jethani (author, speaker, pastor) for a fast-paced and often funny conversation about pop culture, media, theology, and the fun, fun, fun of living a thoughtful Christian life in an increasingly post-Christian culture.
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633: The Head Covering Comeback & Unsung Heroes with Jemar Tisby
09/04/2024
633: The Head Covering Comeback & Unsung Heroes with Jemar Tisby
A very old trend is making a big comeback among Catholic women—veils. Is the turn toward head coverings rooted in Scripture, a desire for sacred symbols, a longing for traditional womanhood, or is it just a nostalgic fashion trend field by TikTok? A new study says what separates conservatives and liberals is how hierarchically they view the world and the importance of maintaining strict boundaries. And why are very conservative political personalities starting to talk more about Christian theology? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn each offer their explanations. Then, Jemar Tisby is back to talk about his new book, “The Spirit of Justice,” and the remarkable stories of heroic, but largely forgotten, Christians in American history. Also this week—hurricanes are blowing cocaine. 0:00 - Intro 2:15 - Show Starts 4:08 - Theme Song 4:30 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:32 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 7:05 - The Cocaine Hurricane Strikes 11:40 - Young Catholics Wearing Veils 21:13 - Do Difference between Liberal and Conservative Come Down to Boundary Lines? 26:03 - Chesterton’s Fence and Wisdom 36:31 - Why Are Right-Wing Political Pundits Invested in Looking for Heresy? 51:31 - Threats to Conservatism Treated as Threats to Christianity 58:37 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 59:42 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 1:01:02 - Interview 1:03:12 - Why Did Jemar Tisby Write The Spirit of Justice? 1:09:04 - How Jamar Tisby Gathered Theological Resources 1:16:38 - How To Be Aware of Injustice 1:20:57 - Women of the Civil Rights Movement 1:27:47 - How to Seek Justice in Your Life 1:33:09 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: The Young Catholic Women Bringing Back Veils: Many Difference between Liberals and Conservatives May Boil Down to One Belief: Other resources: The Spirit of Justice: True Stories of Faith, Race, and Resistance: https://a.co/d/dZG7UAb Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: Are the Political Parties Trading Places?
08/30/2024
French Friday: Are the Political Parties Trading Places?
For the first time in decades, the Republican Party has removed all pro-life language from the party platform. Trump has also called for less free-trade, more government regulation, and he is indifferent about Russian aggression in Europe. At the same time, the Democratic Party is embracing patriotism, law and order, tax cuts, and retreating from its more progressive social and environmental policies. What's happening? David French and Skye Jethani discuss the realignment of the parties and whether this is a permanent change or just temporary rhetoric. Plus, French explains why he decided to endorse Kamala Harris after voting for write-in candidates in 2016 and 2020. 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts 2:20 - Would French Voting Third Party Be Just as Controversial as Voting Kamala? 14:00 - Trump Betraying Pro-Choice is No Surprise 19:50 - Are The Parties Flipping Sides? 33:45 - What Happens to the GOP When Trump Leaves? 40:50 - Is the DNC Actually Changing? 59:08 - End Credits Other resources: David French on Voting for Harris to Save Conservatism: David French's Pro-Life Case for Harris: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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632: Smartphones & Spiritual Formation with Jonathan Haidt
08/28/2024
632: Smartphones & Spiritual Formation with Jonathan Haidt
As we start a new academic year, school districts throughout the country are increasingly banning smartphones. No one is more responsible for this trend than Dr. Jonathan Haidt. He talks to Skye about his latest book, “The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness,” and how smartphones are also interfering with our spiritual lives, and what Christian communities can do about it. Also this week—Donald Trump has completely abandoned the pro-life movement, sending some conservative evangelicals into a political crisis. Chick-Fil-A is launching its own streaming network, but will you be able to watch content on Sundays? And scientists discover Phil’s new favorite deep sea worm. 0:00 - Intro 1:42 - Show Starts 5:08 - Theme Song 5:29 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 6:35 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to 8:06 - News of the Butt - The Pigbutt Worm 16:40 - Chick-Fil-A’s Streaming Service 22:55 - How Pro-Life Groups Are Responding to Trump Dropping Pro-Life Platform 26:12 - Are the Democrats and Republicans Telling the Same Story About the World? 35:46 - Does the Lack of a Pro-Life Candidate Mean Conversations About Other Issues? 43:47 - Not Into Pep Rallies 47:00 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 48:05 - Interview 50:21 - Responses to The Anxious Generation 55:29 - The Collective Action Problem 1:04:08 - Why the Partial Phone Ban in Schools Doesn’t Work 1:10:45 - How the Medium of Phones Create Loneliness 1:19:58 - How Religion Combats the Negative Effect of Phones 1:24:34 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Pigbutt Worm: Chick-Fil-A Hatches a Streaming Service: Other resources: The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness: The Anxious Generation: On The Degrading Effects of Life Online: After Babel: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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631: Evangelicals for Harris & Holy Land Theology with Gary Burge
08/21/2024
631: Evangelicals for Harris & Holy Land Theology with Gary Burge
In the last two presidential elections about 8 in 10 evangelicals voted for Donald Trump, but can Kamala Harris steal some of those votes in 2024? We discuss the recent “Evangelicals for Harris” call and why it’s so difficult to get Christians to think more theologically about politics. Ed Stetzer argues that abortion should still be a top priority when voting, and Tyler Huckabee says we should be uncomfortable endorsing any candidate. Then, Skye talks to New Testament professor, Dr. Gary Burge, about the ongoing Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and what the Bible really says about Israel’s claim on the Holy Land. 0:00 - Intro 1:30 - Show Starts and Kaitlyn’s Opinion on Vacations 4:53 - Theme Song 5:16 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 6:21 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 15% off your first order by going to 12:21 - Discussing the Evangelicals for Harris Call 21:08 - Jemar Tisby and Thick vs Thin Theology 29:03 - Ed Stetzer and the Umpire Analogy 33:30 - Which Party is Better for the Pro-Life Movement? 43:40 - Phil’s TwiXter on Watching Political Conventions as a Nonpartisan 48:14 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 49:21 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 50:34 - Interview 53:22 - What Got Gary Burge Involved with the Middle East Conflict 1:00:46 - Genesis Chapter 12 and the Prosperity Gospel 1:08:28 - The Ancient Understanding of Land Ownership 1:18:22 - Orthodox Jews and Modern Israel 1:25:38 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Ed Stetzer on What’s a Pro-Life Christian to Do in This Election: Tyler Huckabee on Why He’s Not a Christian for Kamala: Other resources: Whose Land? Whose Promise?: What Christians Are Not Being Told About Israel and the Palestinians by Gary Burge: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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630: Pain & God’s Presence with Dave Gibbons
08/14/2024
630: Pain & God’s Presence with Dave Gibbons
We all hear stories of people walking away from faith because of cultural challenges and hypocrisy in the church. That’s what makes Dave Gibbons' new memoir, “The Shape of My Eyes,” so powerful. He joins Skye to talk about growing up within American fundamentalism as a mixed-race kid, and how he encountered God despite deep family trauma and church dysfunction. Also this week—Mike Erre joins the crew to talk about the ongoing fallout from Megan Basham’s new book, David French’s decision to endorse Kamala Harris, and the rise of the post-religious right. Plus, cannibal frog sermon illustrations. 0:00 - Intro 1:03 - Show Starts 3:41 - Theme Song 4:02 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:06 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to find out how to get two FREE e-learning courses and celebrate World Refugee Day with World Relief! 10:07 - Frog Cannibalism Sermon Illustrators 14:56 - Phil Accused by Megan Basham of Being a Sellout 22:08 - Do the Facts Matter? 28:48 - Conflating Christianity and Republican Party Issues 34:57 - David French Voting for Harris??? And Mike the Anabaptist 46:09 - The Post-Religious Right 52:14 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 53:22 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 54:28 - Interview 56:10 - Why Did Dave Gibbons Write “The Shape of My Eyes?” 1:02:32 - How Did His Trauma Impact His Faith? 1:10:44 - Encountering God 1:22:10 - On the Verge of Renaissance 1:25:53 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Cannibal Frogs: Phil’s Article about Shepherds for Sale: David French on Why He’s Voting for Harris: Ross Douthat Tweet: Other resources: The Shape of My Eyes: A Memoir of Race, Faith, and Finding Myself by Dave Gibbons: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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629: The Politics of Division with Adam Kinzinger
08/07/2024
629: The Politics of Division with Adam Kinzinger
Donald Trump made headlines last week when he questioned Kamala Harris’s racial identity. Phil, Skye, and Esau McCaulley discuss his comments and how the politics of division often cause us to categorize people into a single box. Then, should Christians embrace the spiritual uses of psychedelic drugs? Megan Basham's new book claims progressive powerbrokers have corrupted evangelical leaders with money, praise, and prestige, but many of her citations are being called into question. Which evangelical leaders are really being seduced by money? Then former Congressman, Adam Kinzinger, sits down with Skye to talk about the relationship between Christianity and the Republican Party, what comes after Trump, and the outsized role of fear in our politics 0:00 - Intro 1:40 - Show Starts 4:06 - Theme Song 4:26 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:38 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 8:36 - Esau’s Article, “Turning Black” 14:08 - Race’s Loaded Categories 21:55 - Psychedelics in Worship? 29:23 - Do We Try to Control God’s Presence? 35:00 - Shepherds for Sale 50:45 - Conforming to Agenda 54:36 - Sponsor - Pro Grace - Go to to get resources on representing God well on divisive issues 55:49 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 56:55 - Interview 1:00:32 - When Did Kinzinger Decide to Stand Against Trump? 1:10:15 - How Powerful Political Fear Controls People 1:25:13 - The Religious Fervor Around Donald Trump 1:29:22 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: On Turning Black: Christian Psychedelic Festival: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: Childless Sociopaths & Evangelical Outrage
08/02/2024
French Friday: Childless Sociopaths & Evangelical Outrage
David French joins to discuss J.D. Vance's comments about "childless sociopaths," pro-natalist government policy, the Olympics's Last Supper-esque display, and Robert Downey Jr. returning to the MCU. Are anti-immigration policies actually even "preserving our culture?" And why are fundamentalists so eager to consider themselves persecuted? 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts 2:36 - J. D. Vance's "Sociopathic Childless Cat Ladies" 6:31 - Having Children and Selfishness 12:48 - Making Personal Experiences Universal 25:00 - Government's Attempts at Pro-Natalism 29:55 - The Devaluation of Immigration 37:52 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit and join The Path to help vulnerable people around the world! 38:56 - The Boredom of the Paris Olympics' Last Supper 42:54 - Does Our Peaceful Posture Affect the Discourse? 53:36 - Advice Skye Got About Criticism 1:09:27 - End Credits Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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628: Olympic Outrage & the New Testament in Color with Esau McCaulley & Amy Peeler
07/31/2024
628: Olympic Outrage & the New Testament in Color with Esau McCaulley & Amy Peeler
The opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics sparked outrage when drag queens assembled into a scene reminiscent of the Last Supper. Are Christians right to be offended? Oklahoma is requiring public schools to teach the Bible, but some teachers are resisting. Is this really about education or indoctrination? And Kaitlyn’s latest article explains why this election is important, but maybe not an “existential threat.” New Testament scholars, Esau McCaulley and Amy Peeler, discuss their new multi-ethnic Bible commentary “The New Testament in Color” and why we should read Scripture with friends from diverse backgrounds. Plus, a flip-flop fail in Death Valley. 0:00 - Intro 1:30 - Show Starts 2:50 - Theme Song 3:10 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 4:17 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off 6:10 - Flip Flops in Death Valley 8:58 - Olympic Drag Queen Last Supper 23:38 - Oklahoma Bible-Education Mandate 36:53 - France vs Oklahoma 42:31 - Why Turn Down the Rhetoric on Political Panic? 48:06 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit and join The Path to help vulnerable people around the world! 48:58 - Sponsor - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 50:05 - Interview 51:45 - Where Did “The New Testament in Color” Start? 1:00:38 - Will Cultures Continue into Heaven? 1:11:23 - Why Face Hard Questions? 1:18:48 - What Are the Biblical Reasons to Study How Cultures and Ethnicities Understand Things? 1:25:15 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Man Who Lost Flip Flops Death Valley Hospitalization Burned Feet: Paris Olympics Organisers Apologize to Christians for Last Supper Parody: Oklahoma Superintendent Vows to Force Schools to Teach Bible, Issuing Guidance: Kaitlyn’s Article About Existential Political Rhetoric: Other resources: The New Testament in Color: A Multiethnic Bible Commentary: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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SKYEpod - SkyeDive: Certainty & Stupidity
07/26/2024
SKYEpod - SkyeDive: Certainty & Stupidity
We're sharing a SKYEpod episode that was previously exclusively for Holy Post Plus subscribers—this one's a "SkyeDive," meaning it's just Skye digging deep into a topic. If you like this episode, consider becoming a Holy Post Plus subcriber to get weekly SKYEpod episodes, merchandise, bonus interviews, and more! Skye talks about how our certainty often conflicts with humility—with disastrous results, like declining churchgoing rates, alien doomsday cults, and dead bellringers. Holy Post Plus: Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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627: Heritage Americans & Palestinian Christians with Munther Isaac
07/24/2024
627: Heritage Americans & Palestinian Christians with Munther Isaac
Following the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, some are saying that God saved his life for a divine purpose. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye discuss the selective use of Christian rhetoric surrounding the former President. Then, multiple speakers at the Republican convention used anti-immigrant language associated with the “heritage Americans” movement. We examine the movement and its link to the isolationist and racist policies of the 1920s. And Skye welcome Rev. Dr. Munther Isaac, the pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem, to talk about the Palestinian Christian community in the Holy Land and the impact of the war in Gaza on the church. 0:00 - Go to and use code SUMMER50 to get 50% off your order. This code expires August 31st, so head there now! 0:36 - Intro 1:52 - Show Starts 3:14 - Theme Song 3:38 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:42 - Sponsor - The Fresh Pressed Olive Oil Club - To get a Full-Size artisanal olive oil for just $1 shipping, go to 5:54 - Update on Lisa Vischer 6:55 - RNC, Biden Dropout—The Apple Cart is Upset! 9:52 - Messianic Interpretations of the Trump Assassination Attempt 18:26 - What Events Do We Assume Are Divine Intervention? 25:50 - Why is Trump Still Winning? 31:45 - The Politically Unengaged, Patriotic, and Exhausted 37:00 - Heritage Americans 45:38 - Reputational Challenges Facing Harris 50:42 - Sponsor - Better Help - Get 10% off your first month at 51:50 - Interview 53:16 - The Christian Palestinian Community 1:04:47 - Palestinian Christian Reactions to October 7th 1:10:20 - The American Church’s Effect on the War 1:16:52 - The Positive Impact of Palestinian Christians 1:22:47 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Kaitlyn’s Appearance on NPR: Skye Jethani’s Racism and Immigration Video: Other resources: The Other Side of the Wall: A Palestinian Christian Narrative of Lament and Hope: Christ at the Checkpoint Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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626: Political Violence & the Narrow Path with Rich Villodas
07/17/2024
626: Political Violence & the Narrow Path with Rich Villodas
On Saturday, Donald Trump narrowly survived an assassin’s bullet. Will this begin to turn down the dehumanizing and apocalyptic rhetoric in our politics, or will it only add fuel for conspiracy theories and extremists? Rich Villodas is back to talk about his new book on the Sermon on the Mount—“The Narrow Path.” He says obeying the sermon “is not how we achieve salvation; it's how we demonstrate it.” And the fact that so few Christians seem to take Jesus’ commands seriously calls their salvation into question. Also this week, Phil reports from “Med City” and Kaitlyn introduces us to Persian ice cream. Holy Post Plus Bonus Interview 0:00 - Go to and use code SUMMER50 to get 50% off your order. This code expires August 31st, so head there now! 0:35 - Intro 1:49 - Show Starts 3:26 - Theme Song 3:47 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:00 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 6:10 - Phil’s Adventure in Med City 10:40 - Club 33 15:33 - Where the Holy Post Crew Was When They Heard About Trump’s Assassination Attempt 19:11 - The Aftermath of the Shooting 34:15 - Catastrophizing, Social Media, and Violence 53:15 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 54:23 - Interview 58:55 - The Sermon on the Mount and Building House on Rock 53:57 - Why did Campbell write about Christian Nationalism? 1:04:06 - Moralism, Successism, and Individualism 1:08:03 - Does the American Church Lack Salvation? 1:16:53 - Prayer is the Secret to Walking the Narrow Path 1:28:05 - End Credits Other resources: The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our Souls by Rich Villodas: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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625: Loving Our Christian Nationalist Neighbors with Caleb Campbell
07/10/2024
625: Loving Our Christian Nationalist Neighbors with Caleb Campbell
It’s one thing to fight against a heresy, but what about the people caught in its grasp? Caleb Campbell’s new book, “Disarming Leviathan,” argues Christian Nationalism is an idolatrous, anti-Christian movement, but that we ought to take a gentle, loving, and missional posture toward our friends and neighbors following it. Also this week, Ronald Reagan often said America was a shining “city upon a hill.” Derwin Gray joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss the phrase, its original context in the Sermon on the Mount, and how Puritan colonists used it very differently than modern politicians. Plus, what’s behind all of the hot A.I. images of Jesus? Holy Post Plus Discussion of Project 2025 0:00 - Intro 1:18 - Show Starts 3:18 - Theme Song 3:40 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:44 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 5:52 - Responding to Feedback on Debate Coverage 12:26 - Shining City on a Hill 19:42 - Guiding People Away from Idolatry 30:36 - Perfect Love Casts Out Fear 34:41 - Hot A.I. Jesus 49:30 - Sponsor - Go to and start your song – after you purchase, you’ll be prompted to add Spotify Streaming for your original song for FREE - a $50 value! 50:49 - Sponsor - Wheaton Graduate School - Learn in a rich, rigorous Christian environment - 51:49 - Interview 53:57 - Why did Campbell write about Christian Nationalism? 1:15:15 - Practical Advice 1:23:53 - What About Flipping Tables? 1:33:14 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Is America a City on a Hill or a Nation on the Precipice? Hot AI Jesus is Huge on Facebook Other resources: Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor by Caleb Campbell: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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624: The Debate Debacle & Our Broken Political Parties with Chris Butler & Justin Giboney
07/03/2024
624: The Debate Debacle & Our Broken Political Parties with Chris Butler & Justin Giboney
In this special episode, Kaitlyn and Skye are joined by the co-hosts of the Church Politics podcast, Justin Giboney and Chris Butler, to discuss the fallout from last week’s presidential debate. Will President Biden drop out? What does the Supreme Court’s ruling about presidential immunity mean for a possible second Trump term? And why have both political parties nominated candidates who are demonstrably incapable of fulfilling the presidential oath of office? It’s a wide-ranging conversation about the broken state of American politics and where Christians can find hope. 0.00 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - “This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at faithfulcounseling.com/HOLYPOST and get 10% off 1:08 - Intro 2:26 - Theme Song 2:47 - Show starts 4:35 - Recapping the Presidential Debate 10:00 - Fallout from Biden’s Debate Performance 22:00 - Our Broken Political System 40:10 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to https://www.athleticgreens.com/HOLYPOST 41:35 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to www.SundaysForDogs.com/HOLYPOST or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 42:41 - Predictions for the rest of the election season 1:05:10 - Trump Immunity Case Ruling 1:19:00 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Register for the Holy Post Hangout in Wheaton, IL - Check out The Church Politics Podcast - Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: Feckless Politicians & Fearful Churches
06/28/2024
French Friday: Feckless Politicians & Fearful Churches
As the Supreme Court releases a slate of new rulings the justices appear to be sending a message: "Congress, do your job!" David French explains to Skye Jethani why congressional leaders are increasingly reluctant to take votes or pass laws, how this is making the presidency dangerously powerful, and why the courts are saying it's unconstitutional and harmful to democracy. Then, David tells why his former denomination canceled him—with some members even calling him a "heretic"—despite his full agreement with all of their doctrine and positions. Why are so many churches being driven by fear and non-essential beliefs? 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts 1:17 - Garland V. Cargill 5:34 - Trump Changing Statutes 9:20 - Obama Changing Statutes 13:50 - Congress Refusing to Pass Laws 20:33 - Why Congress Doesn’t Want to Pass Laws 29:51 - How Low-Information Voters Feed Into This Ecosystem 32:06 - The Right Thing to Do vs Appeasing the Mobs 42:05 - When Every Issue is Considered a Fundamental 49:16 - When Every Issue is a Foreground Decision 58:16 - What a Partisan Fears 1:01:20 - Capitulation is Not Peace, the Center Does Not Hold 1:07:23 - End Credits Other resources: Advisory Opinions on Recent Supreme Court Decisions: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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623: Posting the 10 Commandments & America’s Secular Future with John Dickson
06/26/2024
623: Posting the 10 Commandments & America’s Secular Future with John Dickson
Louisiana has passed a law requiring the Ten Commandments be posted in every public school classroom. Supporters say it’s about respecting history, law, and the country’s religious heritage. Critics argue it’s completely unconstitutional. What’s really behind the new law? John Dickson says secularism in Australia is ten years ahead of the U.S., and there are valuable lessons the American church can learn from his country about how to thrive in a post-Christian society. Also this week—after two more megachurch pastor scandals we have to ask what’s wrong with our ministry culture. And whales display a dirty new defense against predators. 0.00- Intro 1:41- Show Starts 2:34 - Theme Song 2:56 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:02 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to download your family refugee guide and learn more about the Path Community 5:08 - News of the Butt 10:30 - Tony Evans and Robert Morris Step Down from Senior Pastor Roles 25:25 - 10 Commandments Must Be Displayed in Louisiana Classrooms 46:50 - Lisa Vischer Update 51:50 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - This episode is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. Give online therapy a try at and get on your way to being your best self. 52:58 - Sponsor - Go to to sign up for Skye Jethani’s devotional, With God Daily 54:35 - Interview 1:31:23 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Sperm Whale Poop Cloud Louisiana’s Ten Commandments Mandate David French on the Ten Commandments Other resources: The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism by Tim Alberta: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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622: How Ideological Purity is Killing Churches with Ryan Burge
06/19/2024
622: How Ideological Purity is Killing Churches with Ryan Burge
Remember when churches were seeker-sensitive? The goal was to grow by welcoming newcomers, skeptics, and non-believers. But now it seems some evangelical churches and denominations are more worried about ideological purity than outreach. Sociologist, political scientists, and pastor Ryan Burge is back to talk about the self-defeating trend toward subtraction rather than addition in the church. Also this week, the Southern Baptists decide not to ban all women pastors…yet. Megan Basham claims evangelical leaders aren’t selling out to conservative constituents, but to gain the approval of liberal elites. Death cafes open in L.A., and the Swiss are making tiny computers from brain cells. What could possibly go wrong? 0:00 - Intro 1:18 - Show Starts 3:14 - Theme Song 3:35 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:47 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get 15% off your first order by going to 5:58 - Democracy Betrays News of the Butt 6:38 - What Could Possibly Go Wrong with Swiss Brain-Computers 13:02 - SBC Law Amendment Denied Ratification 20:33 - Baptist Church Conservative Resurgence 25:03 - Being a Cultural War Symbol Rather Than a Person 30:20 - Shepherds for Sale and How Everyone Has Economic Benefit 36:37 - The Temptation to Look Down on Others 41:55 - Modern Death Cafes in Los Angeles 44:28 - Sleeping in a Room with a Casket 51:40 - Sponsor - Better Help - “This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get on your way to being your best self.” 52:40 - Interview 59:56 - American Behavior Changing Faster Than Their Beliefs 1:05:43 - The Disappearance of The Christian Left 1:09:22 - Strict Churches vs Moderate Churches 1:22:10 - The Nicene Creed, Doctrine, and Dogma 1:31:53 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Swiss Startup Connects 16 Human Mini-Brains to Create Low Energy ‘Biocomputer’: SBC Law Amendment Vote: Modern Death Cafes in LA: Other resources: Cafeteria Catholicism: Americans Dropping Out of Everything: Most Americans are Still Christians: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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621: The Rise of Christian Extremism with Elizabeth Neumann
06/12/2024
621: The Rise of Christian Extremism with Elizabeth Neumann
After working for the Department of Homeland Security, and more than twenty years as a counterterrorism expert, Elizabeth Neumann says the greatest threat to the U.S. is no longer international Islamic terrorism but domestic Christian extremists. She discusses her new book, “Kingdom of Rage,” with Skye and how conspiracy theories and violent political ideologies have infiltrated American evangelicalism. Also this week, the Southern Baptists debate which is the greater threat to the faith—the Nicene Creed or female pastors. And new data says drinking and smoking has plummeted among teenagers. Should we thank churches or smartphones? Holy Post Plus: 0:00 - Intro 1:22 - Show Starts 4:15 - Theme Song 4:37 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:42 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to find out how to get two FREE e-learning courses and celebrate World Refugee Day with World Relief! 6:49 - Why Phil Was Expelled from Bible School (It’s Less Scandalous Than You Think!) 9:42 - The Annual SBC Meeting and Women Preaching, the Law Amendment 13:48 - Conservative SBC and Why Churches Split 19:26 - Motivations Behind Doctrine Changes matter 31:38 - Drinking, Smoking, and Chewing Tobacco Uncommon Amongst Gen Z 37:18 - Drinking’s Down, Depression’s Up 42:07 - The Church Community Stands Out in an Age of Loneliness 47:13 - Sponsor - Go to to sign up for Skye Jethani’s devotional, With God Daily 48:51 - Interview 54:04 - From Focusing on International Threats to Domestic Threats 58:13 - The Mainstreaming of Replacement Theory 1:04:54 - How Neumann Avoided Radicalization 1:09:40 - The Needs That Make People Susceptible to Radicalization 1:18:18 - The Scale That Makes Domestic Radicalization a Huge Threat 1:25:04 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: The SBC’s Proposed Law Amendment Does Going to Church Keep High Schoolers from Drinking and Smoking? Other resources: Kingdom of Rage: The Rise of Christian Extremism and the Path Back to Peace: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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620: Applying the 7 Deadly Sins in a Secular Age with Elizabeth Oldfield
06/05/2024
620: Applying the 7 Deadly Sins in a Secular Age with Elizabeth Oldfield
Lord Acton famously said, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Was he right? Mike Erre is back to discuss the way Christians think about power, and why he believes our pursuit of power over the world is not the way of Jesus. Then, author Elizabeth Oldfield talks with Kaitlyn about her new book, “Fully Alive,” which uses the Seven Deadly Sins as a bridge for introducing secular people to the wisdom of Christianity. Also this week—the verdict in the Trump trail, a very unique fossil museum opens in Arizona, and Phil creates a fun new game for Christians called “Is It Persecution?” 0:00 - Intro 2:09 - Show Starts 4:15 - Theme Song 4:37 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 5:56 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 7:09 - Wearing Cicadas 9:13 - News of the Pooseum 13:11 - New Game: Am I Being Persecuted? 18:55 - Donald Trump Martyr Complex 29:15 - Mike on Politically-Driven Spiritual-Malformation 34:13 - Fitch and The Ontologically-Rooted Corruption of Power 52:37 - Sponsor - Go to and start your original song! 53:55 - Sponsor - Better Help - Get 10% off your first month at 54:55- Interview 56:26 - Elizabeth Oldfield’s Faith Background 1:00:39 - Writing with a Secular Audience in Mind 1:03:48 - What Radicalized the Republican Voter Base? 1:12:13 - PLM Syndrome 1:18:53 - Attention vs. The Deadly Sin of Sloth 1:24:17 - Why Save God for the End of the Book? 1:29:39 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Pooseum: Reckoning with Power: Why the Church Fails When It’s on the Wrong Side of Power by David Fitch: Other resources: Fully Alive: Tending to the Soul in Turbulent Times by Elizabeth Oldfield: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: The Trump Verdict, Flawed Heroes, & Shogun
05/31/2024
French Friday: The Trump Verdict, Flawed Heroes, & Shogun
The verdict is in and Donald Trump was found guilty on all 34 counts in the hush money trial. Skye Jethani and David French discuss the political implications of the guilty verdict. While neither believe the verdict will have any impact on Trump’s base, David thinks it could erode support among supporters on the bubble, but Skye remains unconvinced. Then, they discuss how we should address the legacies of historical heroes who left behind complex and sometimes troubling legacies. Is it appropriate to honor and celebrate certain aspects of these figures, or should their significant flaws compel us to dismiss them entirely? Plus, Skye and David talk about their new favorite tv show, Shogun. 0:00 - Theme Song 0:18 - Episode Starts 0:47 - Trump Verdict 7:27 - Who’s Actually Energizing Their Base? 16:22 - Justice Alito and the Flag 23:08 - The Politics of Officials Flying Flags 29:47 - The Complexity of American Historical Figures 41:40 - Facing the Sins of the Fathers Through Maturity 47:06 - Shogun and Cultural Divide 1:01:10 - End Credits Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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619: Human Sinfulness and the Evangelical Legacy of Slavery
05/29/2024
619: Human Sinfulness and the Evangelical Legacy of Slavery
In a recent 60 minutes interview, Pope Francis sparked controversy when he claimed that humans are fundamentally good. Katelyn Beaty joins Phil and Kaitlyn to discuss the Pope's comments, and why our theology needs to include both the doctrine that all humans are made in the image of God and an understanding of original sin. Also, new survey data suggests that the "Religious Nones" have plateaued and religious affiliation among Gen Z is on the rise. We discuss why this might be happening and how the "weirdness" of Christianity is what makes it appealing to so many people right now. Then Skye sits down with Sean McGever to discuss his new book, Ownership: The Evangelical Legacy of Slavery in Edwards, Wesley, and Whitefield. They explore how these three historical evangelical leaders navigated the morality of slavery and the lasting impact it is still having on the Church today. Plus, even priests are not immune to Florida Man Syndrome. 0:00 - Intro 1:36 - Show Starts 2:58 - Theme Song 3:20 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:24 - World Relief - Visit to download your family refugee guide and learn more about the Path Community 5:39 - Italian Island Overrun by Goats 10:31 - Pope Francis Calls Humans “Fundamentally Good?” 28:20 - Ryan Burge and the Plateauing of the Nones 45:57 - Florida Priest Bites Woman 50:18 - Sponsor - Better Help - “This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get on your way to being your best self.” 51:17 - Interview 59:56 - Opposing Slave Trade, but Not Slavery 1:09:47 - How Edwards, Whitfield, and Wesley Influenced Attitudes About Slavery 1:20:05 - Avoiding Moral Blindspots 1:27:12 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Alicudi: Italian Island Offers Goats Up for Adoption Pope Francis Draws Accusations of Heresy for Saying Humans are Good Ryan Burge and Nones Plateau Florida Priest Admits Biting Woman in Defense of Eucharist Other resources: Ownership: The Evangelical Legacy of Slavery in Edwards, Wesley, and Whitefield by Sean McGever: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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618: Commencement Controversy & Racial Reconciliation with Latasha Morrison
05/22/2024
618: Commencement Controversy & Racial Reconciliation with Latasha Morrison
Kansas City Chiefs Kicker, Harrison Butker, recently gave a controversial commencement address at Benedictine College where he drew on some popular conservative talking points about Pride Month, Covid 19 policies, and the calling of women in the home. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the problems they had with the speech, as well as their frustrations with some of the criticism of the speech, and how Butker's views seem to have been influenced more by conservative politics than the historic Catholic position on these issues. Then, Kaitlyn sits down with Latasha Morrison to talk about her new book, "Brown Faces, White Spaces." They discuss the importance of understanding historical context to grasp the roots and impacts of systemic racism, and practical ways that churches and individuals can engage in the work of racial reconciliation. Plus, a megachurch in Texas tried to manipulate a traffic study for a stop light, and Phil thinks he has proof that News of the Butt is the best part of the podcast. Holy Post Plus 0:00 - Intro 1:29 - Show Starts 2:26 - Theme Song 2:47 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:00 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get 15% off your first order by going to 5:11 - Megachurch Manipulates Stoplight Placement 10:49 - News of the Butt Supporters Speak Out 13:35 - Harrison Butker 23:00 - Why Did Butker’s Speech Get So Much Attention? 29:31 - Pope Francis Says Conservatives Have “Suicidal” Mindset 37:12 - Is the Media More Spiritually Formative Than the Pope? 44:15 - Sponsor - Better Help - Get 10% off your first month at 45:11 - Sponsor - Go to and start your original song! 46:40 - Interview 48:20 - What is “Be the Bridge?” 55:37 - Understanding Historical Context in Discussing Racial Divide 59:02 - Why She Combined Personal History, Data, and the Bible in “Be the Bridge” 1:03:40 - How Scripture Informs Justice 1:14:14 - Jesus, the Suffering Servant 1:19:53 - Maintaining Hope for Restoration 1:24:48 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Texas Megachurch Hits the Brakes After Trying to Skew a Traffic Study: Benedictine Sisters of Mount St. Scholastica Rebut Harrison Butker as No One Else Could: Pope Francis says U.S. Conservatives Have a “Suicidal Attitude”: Other resources: Be the Bridge: Pursuing God’s Heart for Racial Reconciliation: Brown Faces, White Spaces: Confronting Systemic Racism to Bring Healing and Restoration: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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617: Apple Crushes It & the Future of Christianity with Matthew Niermann
05/15/2024
617: Apple Crushes It & the Future of Christianity with Matthew Niermann
A new iPad advertisement showing musical instruments and art supplies being crushed by a hydraulic press has triggered a backlash against Apple and provoked a wider discussion about the impact of technology on communities and creativity. Jonathan Haidt says religious kids have better mental health on average because they’re connected to incarnate congregations, and the Catholic Church disciplines an AI priest. Then, Kaitlyn talks to Matthew Niermann about the Lausanne Movement’s massive new report on global Christianity and the major trends shaping the future of the church. Also this week—beware of cicada rain! Holy Post Plus 0:00 - Intro 0:42 - Show Starts 1:54 - Theme Song 2:16 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 3:22 - World Relief - Visit to download your family refugee guide and learn more about the Path Community 4:13 - Catching up on learning German and the Holy Post live event 8:44 - Cicadas’ Powerful Urine 13:41- Apple Crushes Incarnation 23:58 - The Desire of Incarnation 29:01 - Jonathan Haidt and the Anxious Secular Kids 35:30 - An AI Priest is laicized 48:24 - The Church in a Hydraulic Press 55:17 - Sponsor - Fabric by Gerber Life - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at 56:26 - Interview 58:03 - What is The Lausanne Movement? 1:02:35 - Polycentric Christianity 1:12:27 - What Challenges and Opportunities Come with this Shift? 1:20:30 - The Question of Our Era: What Does it Mean to be Human? 1:30:35 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Why Cicadas Power Spray Their Pee Rage Against the Apple Machine Jonathan Haidt Religion Tweet AI ‘Priest’ Sparks More Online Backlash Than Belief Other resources: Lausanne Movement: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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616: Black Church Politics & Messy Authenticity with Nancy French
05/08/2024
616: Black Church Politics & Messy Authenticity with Nancy French
Phil is back! He gives an update about his family’s harrowing medical emergency. Then, new data shows the Democratic Party’s grip on Black Christians may be slipping. Esau McCaulley shares his take on the reason. Nancy French talks with Skye about the themes in her new memoir, “Ghosted,” including church sexual abuse, political tribalism, trauma, and her miraculous experiences with God. Also this week—another book ban backfires, and defensive driving Florida style. Holy Post Plus Getting Schooled - Christian Presidents 0:00 - Intro 1:38 - Show Starts 3:10 - Theme Song 3:32 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 4:52 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 6:04 - Phil Explains the Medical Emergency 15:52 - The Surgery 24:25 - Esau’s Childhood Stomach Surgery 26:50 - Florida Man Rescues Friend from Alligator 28:14 - Florida Man Tries to Ban Bible from Schools 35:06 - Have Democrats Lost the Black Church? 49:03 - Esau’s Dream Proposal 52:31 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 53:28 - Interview 55:10 - Charismatic Experiences 59:18 - How Did the Frenches Not End Up in MAGA? 1:03:48 - What Radicalized the Republican Voter Base? 1:08:25 - Where There Signs 20 Years Ago That Radicalization Was Coming? 1:11:30 - Pro-Life Republicans Changing Their Stances? 1:22:20 - What’s the Future for the GOP? 1:33:58 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Man Runs Over Alligator with Truck to Save Neighbor from Attack Florida Atheist Uses State’s New Book Banning Law to Object to the Bible Have Democrats Lost the Black Church? Other resources: Ghosted: an American Story by Nancy French: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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615: Taylor Swift’s Sacrilege & the Future of the Republican Party with Peter Wehner
05/01/2024
615: Taylor Swift’s Sacrilege & the Future of the Republican Party with Peter Wehner
Swifties are celebrating the record-breaking release of two new albums, but some conservative Christians are not happy. They’re accusing Taylor Swift of mocking Christianity and promoting witchcraft. Our resident Swiftie, Kaitlyn Schiess, explains the controversy. Then, former presidential speechwriter and contributor to The Atlantic, Pete Wehner, talks with Skye about the future of the Republican Party. Will the Trump spell ever break? Also this week—the end of America’s monoculture, and how dumb were dinosaurs? 00 - Intro 1:03 - Show Starts 2:15 - Theme Song 2:35 - Sponsor - Wheaton Graduate School - Learn in a rich, rigorous Christian environment - 3:36 - Sponsor - The Pour Over - Subscribe for free to news that points to eternal hope - 4:50 - Update on Phil 6:08 - Dinosaurs—Were They Smart? 13:00 - Is Taylor Swift Mocking Christians? 15:12 - Taylor Swift’s Bohemian Mishmash 18:12 - Artistic vs Political Usage of Biblical Language 23:13 - Taylor Swift and Kids 23:23 - Children and Public Spaces 31:02 - Portrayal vs Endorsement 35:18 - Everything is a Cult Now and 20th Century Communication Technology 40:17 - What Even is Mainstream? 44:27 - Labels and the Good Samaritan 50:14 - Choice and Community 55:43 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 56:42 - Sponsor - Go to and start your song – after you purchase, you’ll be prompted to add Spotify Streaming for your original song for FREE! That’s a $50 value! 58:13 - Interview 1:03:48 - What Radicalized the Republican Voter Base? 1:08:25 - Where There Signs 20 Years Ago That Radicalization Was Coming? 1:11:30 - Pro-Life Republicans Changing Their Stances? 1:22:20 - What’s the Future for the GOP? 1:33:58 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: T. Rex Was Probably About As Intelligent as a Crocodile Taylor Swift’s Religious Imagery for a Spiritually Syncretic Era Taylor Swift Mocks Christianity in Her New Album Everything’s a Cult Now Other resources: The Death of Politics: How to Heal Our Frayed Republic After Trump: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: Israel’s Error and College Protests
04/26/2024
French Friday: Israel’s Error and College Protests
The war in Gaza has carried on for longer than expected, and David French is starting to see parallels between Israel and the US military in the Iraq War—he thinks Israel could learn from what went wrong in Iraq. Then, David and Skye discuss the student protests and how universities are handling them—what’s civil disobedience and what’s lawlessness when it comes to protest? 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Episode Starts 1:40 - America’s Mistake in Iraq 10:42 - Counter insurgency’s Importance 16:10 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 17:08 - Israel’s Place on the World Stage 21:08 - What Are Israel’s Goals? 30:22 - Sponsor - Fabric by Gerber Life - Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at 31:30 - Are the Pro-Palestine Protests Free Speech? 43:32 - What the Administrations Are Faced With 51:08 - Gaza Protests Vs. January 6th 1:02:00 - End Credits Links Mentioned in Episode Israel is Making the Same Mistake America Made in Iraq Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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614: The Rise of Raunchy Christians & Avoiding Civil War with Tracy McKenzie
04/24/2024
614: The Rise of Raunchy Christians & Avoiding Civil War with Tracy McKenzie
Previously puritanical evangelicals are increasingly embracing profanity and lewd content. A recent New York Times article explores possible explanations ranging from politics and the culture wars, to the internet and the decline of churches. Also, fewer people are reading books, and that’s a challenge for Christian traditions rooted in literacy, education, and the Bible. How do we make disciples in a post-literate culture? Then, more people are comparing our divisive culture to America just before the Civil War. Are we heading toward a national divorce—or worse? Historian Tracy McKenzie is back to share lessons and warnings from 19th century America. Plus, new developments as the turducken turns. 0:00 - Sponsor - Richmont Graduate University - Join a Christian mental health counseling program! Use referral code HOLYPOST at checkout to skip the application fee. Go to 0:37 - Intro 1:56 - Show Starts 3:10 - Theme Song 3:31- Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 4:36 - Stronger Men’s Conference Story Continued 14:46 - Raunchy Christians 23:23 - Children and Public Spaces 33:00 - Literacy and Discipleship 35:38 - Hearing vs. Reading the Bible 42:23 - Can Churches be the Antidote for a Lonely, Digital World? 51:13 - Integrating Technology and Scripture 55:17 - Sponsor - World Relief - Visit to download your family refugee guide and learn more about the Path Community 56:03 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 57:03 - Interview 59:03 - Can We Compare Today and 1850? 1:03:21 - How Has Media Affected Current Politics? 1:15:16 - The Role of Conspiracy Theories 1:24:42 - Why Were We More Unified in the Past? 1:35:00 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: John Lindell and Mark Driscoll Biblical Literacy in a Postliterate Age The Raunchy Christians Are Here Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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613: Driscoll, Dawkins, & Political Discipleship with Curtis Chang
04/17/2024
613: Driscoll, Dawkins, & Political Discipleship with Curtis Chang
Atheist Richard Dawkins has said he doesn’t believe one word of the Christian faith, but he now considers himself a “cultural Christian” and wants to defend the Christian values of his country against the influence of Islam and immigrants. Does this represent an alignment between the New Atheists and Christian Nationalists? Curtis Chang shares about “The After Party”—the new curriculum he’s developed with David French and Russel Moore to help Christians focus on hope and humility rather than partisanship. Also this week, Mark Driscoll gets booted from a men’s conference. And another infraction by a Florida man with a Bible. Holy Post Plus Getting Schooled - Mariah W. Stewart 0:00 - Intro 1:02 - Show Starts 3:02 - Theme Song 3:23 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:35 - Florida Man Scales Tower with Bible 12:00 - Mark Driscoll Kicked Off Stage After Calling Sword-Swallower a “Jezebel Spirit” 22:35 - Richard Dawkins, the “Cultural Christian” 36:40 - Dusty Deavers, the Country Singin’ Senator 46:06 - Pray for the Middle East 50:46 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get 15% off your first order by going to 51:54 - Sponsor - Hatch - Form better bedtime habits today with Hatch—$20 off and free shipping when you order the Restore at 52:55 - Interview 1:04:34 - The “What” vs the “How” 1:16:26 - Four Quadrant of Political Engagement 1:27:19 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Florida Man Climbs Cell Phone Tower Sword-Swallower on a Pole and Mark Driscoll Richard Dawkins and Cultural Christianity Other resources: The After Party: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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612: The Religious Vacuum, Politics, & the Powers with N.T. Wright
04/10/2024
612: The Religious Vacuum, Politics, & the Powers with N.T. Wright
This week we’re discussing a series of articles exploring what we’re gaining and losing as fewer Americans are committed to religion and attending church. Even some non-believers are beginning to worry that the decline in religion may not be good for society, but does it also represent a new opportunity for the message of Christianity? Then, N.T. Wright is back to discuss his new book with co-author Michael Bird, “Jesus and the Powers.” While everyone knows mixing faith and politics can be dangerous, Wright says there’s also a danger when we refuse to mix them. He talks to Skye about what the Bible says on matters of church and state, and why we should defend liberal democracy despite its many problems. Also this week: Is the sun alive? And a Florida man shares the Bible at Walgreens on Easter. 0:00 - Sponsor - Richmont Graduate University - Join a Christian mental health counseling program! Use referral code HOLYPOST at checkout to skip the application fee. Go to 0:35 - Intro 1:21 - Show Starts 3:08 - Theme Song 3:30 - Sponsor - Wheaton Graduate School - Learn in a rich, rigorous Christian environment - 4:34 - Kaitlyn’s new show announcement! 8:08 - Curiously, Kaitlyn Trailer - Go to to check it out! 10:15 - Florida Man Strikes Again (with a Bible) on Easter 13:43 - Does the Sun Dream of Electric Sheep? Consciousness and the Sun. 19:43 - The Cost of the Churchgoing Bust 28:52 - How Trump Fills the Secular Void 44:19 - Is Trumpism Emptying Churches? 52:24 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 53:28 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 54:33 - Interview 56:02 - Why Doesn’t Separation of Church and State Work? 1:14:02 - Does the Kingdom of Heaven Imply There Will Be No Government? 1:17:10 - When Should Christians Submit to Governing Authorities? 1:24:56 - The Value of Liberal Democracy 1:30:15 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: Florida Man Arrested for Hitting Manager with a Bible on Easter The Sun’s Consciousness Trump is Emptying Churches How Trump Fills a Void in an Increasingly Secular America The True Cost of the Churchgoing Bust Other resources: Jesus and the Powers: Christian Political Witness in an Age of Totalitarian Terror and Dysfunctional Democracies by N. T. Wright and Michael F. Bird: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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611: Trump’s Bible, Biden’s Easter, and Climate Change for Christians with Katharine Hayhoe
04/03/2024
611: Trump’s Bible, Biden’s Easter, and Climate Change for Christians with Katharine Hayhoe
The newest Holy Post team member, Esau McCaulley, joins Phil and Skye to discuss two stories that caused outrage from both ends of the political spectrum during Holy Week. Trump is selling an American flag-wrapped Bible, and the Biden administration honored “Transgender Visibility Day” on Easter. And why are Catholic Charities being attacked for helping immigrants? Then Skye talks to atmospheric scientist Katharine Hayhoe about how her evangelical faith led her to become a climate scientist. She says combating global warming is part of our call to love our neighbors and care for the least of these. Plus, an “emerging behavior” on Twitch grabs Phil’s attention. Holy Post Plus Bonus Interview 0:00 - Sponsor - Richmont Graduate University - Join a Christian mental health counseling program! Use referral code HOLYPOST at checkout to skip the application fee. Go to 0:35 - Intro 1:54 - Show Starts 3:45 - Theme Song 4:06 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 5:02 - Esau the Hufflepuff 8:56 - News of the Butt, Twitch 14:41 - The “God Bless the USA” Bible 38:36 - Catholic Charities Targeted by Far-Right 49:09 - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 50:20 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling - Get 10% off your first month at 51:25 - Interview 54:51 - What Changed Things for Katharine Heyhoe 1:03:49 - Are Evangelicals the Stumbling Block for Stopping Climate Change? 1:25:26 - End Credits Links Mentioned in the News Segment: “God Bless the USA” Bibles Threats to Catholic Charity Staffers Other resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: TikTok Ban & Who Should Hold the Reins of Social Media
03/29/2024
French Friday: TikTok Ban & Who Should Hold the Reins of Social Media
A recent bill to ban TikTok was passed in the House with bipartisan support. Skye talks with David French about the arguments for and against the bill, the likelihood of it passing the Senate, and why Trump claims China is America's biggest threat, and yet he still opposes the TikTok ban. Then, Skye and David break down two recent Supreme Court cases about social media content regulation. Should social media companies have complete control over what is posted on their platforms, and is it ok for the government to ask these companies to take down certain posts? Holy Post Plus - Getting Schooled 0:00 - Theme Song 0:17 - Show Starts 1:11 - Tiktok's Security Risk 8:33 - Bipartisan Support 13:49 - Trump's 180 on Tiktok 19:27 - Will Bipartisan Agreement Last? 24:51 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 25:55 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 35% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout 27:07 - Regulating US Social Media 41:19 - Do Companies Have to Host Speech? 51:59 - The Monopolies 1:05:24 - The Wrap-Up 1:09:36 - End Credits Other resources: What Trump's TikTok Flip-Flip Tells America by David French: Holy Post Events: Holy Post Website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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