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Join VeggieTales and What's in the Bible? creator Phil Vischer and co-host Skye Jethani (author, speaker, pastor) for a fast-paced and often funny conversation about pop culture, media, theology, and the fun, fun, fun of living a thoughtful Christian life in an increasingly post-Christian culture.
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701: Mailbag! Decompressing, Demonology, & Dreams for 2026
12/24/2025
701: Mailbag! Decompressing, Demonology, & Dreams for 2026
We’ve reached the end of 2025, so we thought it’s a good time to answer questions from the Holy Post community. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn cover a wide assortment of issues, from how they decompress after a difficult podcast, and how they pick which politicians to interview, to their favorite movies, and who is best at changing a tire. They also tackle theological questions about the nature of grace, the limitations we will still have in the new creation, and why demons may not be fallen angels. They also give their predictions for 2026. Along the way, Phil has weird ideas about hair, Skye wants to be a mango, and Kaitlyn makes a big announcement. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Advice-ish with Malcolm Foley: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:15 - Theme Song 3:38 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 4:40 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 8:42 - Holy Post Team as Veggies 14:30 - Can You Be Ethical and Non-Christian? 21:41 - Stories and Conflict in Heaven 25:45 - Republicans on Holy Post 31:05 - Sponsor - World Relief - Start a monthly partnership with World Relief to help families in crisis at 32:15 - Will Skye Fix Flat Tires? 36:33 - Is Salvation Free? 39:12 - Impactful Movies 42:39 - Self-Care 52:06 - Pluralism and Faithfulness 1:09:41 - End Credits Links: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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700: What Every Christian Can Learn from A.A. with John Ortberg
12/17/2025
700: What Every Christian Can Learn from A.A. with John Ortberg
Last weekend was filled with terrible news, including a mass shooting in Australia, another at Brown University, and the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife. Mike Erre joins Phil and Skye to discuss these events and why rediscovering the biblical practice of lament is better than just “thoughts and prayers.” The Catholic Church has taken a nuanced and principled position on the deportation of immigrants. Why do evangelicals find that so difficult? Then John Ortberg talks with Skye about his latest book, which applies the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous to Christian spiritual formation. It’s called “Steps: A guide to transforming your life when willpower isn’t enough.” Also this week, the U.K. is building a giant Möbius strip for God. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Bonus Interview with John Ortberg: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:00 - Theme Song 2:23 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Get the AG1 welcome pack when you order from 3:50 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 4:56 - Mass Shooting in Australia 14:08 - The Murder of Rob Reiner 17:55 - Lament 24:37 - The Catholic Church and Immigration 28:37 - Murkiness of the US Immigration Crisis 37:10 - UK Prayer Mobius Strip 45:15 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 46:25 - Sponsor - Aura Frames - Need a Great Christmas Gift? Use code HOLYPOST at checkout to save $45-off the Carver Mat Aura Frame at 52:45 - A Wimpy Step One 1:00:14 - Showing Up 1:12:10 - Giving Up Control vs Giving Up Agency 1:24:06 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Deportation and the Catholic Church: Mobius Strip of Prayer in the UK: Other Resources: Steps: A Guide to Transforming Your Life When Willpower Isn’t Enough by John Ortberg: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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699: The Limits of Liberalism & Punishing Immigrants with Matthew Soerens
12/10/2025
699: The Limits of Liberalism & Punishing Immigrants with Matthew Soerens
Two writers from the New York Times say the liberal values that have flooded our culture with online gambling, pornography, and cannabis have backfired, but secular progressives, like Ezra Klein, admit that they don’t have a framework for explaining why. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the benefits and limitations of liberalism as a political and social philosophy, and why those on the left are increasingly aware of their need for religion. Matthew Soerens from World Relief is back to discuss why the Trump administration’s immigration policies are so different in his second term, how the President’s ever-changing rhetoric is causing chaos, and why America is accepting the collective punishment of immigrants. Also this week, raccoons are on a mission to be the pets of the future. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Holiday Hill to Die On: Advent Welcome: 0:00 - Show Starts 4:45 - Theme Song 5:08 - - Sponsor - Aura Frames - Need a Great Christmas Gift? Use code HOLYPOST at checkout to save $45-off the Carver Mat Aura Frame at 6:17 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to HOLYPOST 7:40 - Racoons Got Cuter! 14:35 - Ross Douthet on Liberalism’s Failures 28:45 - The Economy Can’t Form Ethics 41:30 - Black and Latino Voices 52:45 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 53:48 - Sponsor - PolicyGenius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 54:57 - Interview 57:03 - Afghanistan and Immigration 1:03:07 - Dehumanizing Rhetoric 1:21:12 - Christian Persecution and Immigration 1:31:14 - End Credits 1:31:46 - Sponsor - The Pour Over - Stay informed while remaining focused on Christ with The Pour Over Today. Check it out at Links Mentioned in News Segment: Raccoons Getting Cuter? Ross Douthet Piece on Liberalism Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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698: De-Christianizing America & Re-Christianizing Advent with Rich Villodas
12/03/2025
698: De-Christianizing America & Re-Christianizing Advent with Rich Villodas
The government of Israel has been criticized for building fences in Gaza and the West Bank, but now it’s geofencing American churches. Will its plan reverse the decline of evangelical support for the Jewish state? Donald Trump says he’s making the country more Christian, but data shows his immigration policy favors secular immigrants and rejects Christians. Rich Villodas is back to talk about his new book for Advent, “Waiting for Jesus.” He says we should use this season to resist consumerism, commercialism, and Christian culturalism. Also this week, a giant flightless parrot has issues Down Under. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Advice-ish: 66 Verses to Explain the Bible: 0:00 - Show Starts 4:43- Theme Song 5:06 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 6:05 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Get the AG1 welcome pack when you order from 7:35 - Toucan Butt Disease! 14:35 - Israel Geofencing Ads Around Churches 29:00 - Deportations Making America More Secular? 48:42 - Sponsor - World Relief - Start a monthly partnership with World Relief to help families in crisis at 49:51 - Sponsor - Aura Frames - Need a Great Christmas Gift? Use code HOLYPOST at checkout to save $45-off the Carver Mat Aura Frame at 51:00 - Sponsor - Blueland - Just for this holiday season, Blueland has a special 30% off deal to help you keep your home clean this Christmas! Go to 52:10 - Interview 54:06 - Church Calendar Explained 1:03:50 - Spirit of Herod 1:17:37 - End Credits 1:18:09 - Sponsor - The Pour Over - Stay informed while remaining focused on Christ with The Pour Over Today. Check it out at Links Mentioned in News Segment: Kakapo Crusty Butt Disease! Immigration Crackdown Making Us Less Christian? Other Resources: Waiting for Jesus: An Advent Invitation to Prayer and Renewal: An Advent Christmas Devotional by Rich Villodas: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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What Does the Magi Story Really Tell Us About Jesus? (From this week's Curiously Kaitlyn)
12/02/2025
What Does the Magi Story Really Tell Us About Jesus? (From this week's Curiously Kaitlyn)
We’re popping a Curiously Kaitlyn episode into your feed this week because we’re starting a brand-new Advent series, and—let’s be honest—the nativity story gets weird. Kids notice all the odd details we learned to ignore, and suddenly you’re fielding questions you did not prepare for in Sunday School.So instead of scrambling for answers all by yourself, you can join us all month as we explore the questions your kids (and most adults!) are genuinely curious about. First up: Who exactly are the wise men, and why do they show up in the nativity scene at all? If you enjoy the conversation, make sure you’re subscribed to Curiously Kaitlyn wherever you get your podcasts. We’ve got a whole month of Christmas episodes coming your way. 0:00 - Theme Song 2:05 - What’s Up With the Star? 9:00 - How Many Wise Men? 12:50 - Sponsor - Blueland - For 15% off first order of Blueland cleaning products, go to this link: 14:03 - Sponsor - Aura Frames - Need a holiday gift to share memories? Get 35% off the Aura Carver Mat Frame with promo code KAITLYN at 15:04 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 17:00 - Why’s this in the Bible? 27:00 - Balaam and the Magi 37:37 - End Credits
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697: Cancelling “Judeo-Christian,” Defending Slavery, & Rethinking Gaza with J. Ross Wagner
11/26/2025
697: Cancelling “Judeo-Christian,” Defending Slavery, & Rethinking Gaza with J. Ross Wagner
The term “Judeo-Christian” has been used by the Religious Right for decades as a positive shorthand for biblical values in the culture, so why are conservative Christians now rejecting the label? And why are Christian defenses of slavery and the Confederacy gaining popularity 160 years after the Civil War? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn explain how the rising influence of Christian nationalism drives both trends. J. Ross Wagner, editor of the new book, “Being Christian After the Desolation of Gaza,” talks to Skye about how both American and Palestinian Christians are reexamining evangelical support for Israel. Also this week, a woman has been hiding in the New Testament for nearly 2,000 years, and there’s a new horror movie about a teenage Jesus. What could go wrong? Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Advice-ish: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:29 - Theme Song 3:50 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to HOLYPOST 4:53 - Sponsor - PolicyGenius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 6:02 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 15% off your first order by going to 7:10 - Jesus Horror Movie? 13:44 - Hidden Woman in the Bible? 20:20 - Judeo-Christian No More? 31:50 - Slavery Debate Continues 52:19 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 50% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST50 at checkout. 53:23 - Sponsor - World Relief - Help families overseas and refugees in crisis! Right now, a $200,000 challenge gift multiplies every gift by three! This ends December 2nd, so act now at 54:25 - Sponsor - Tyndale - The Life Application Study Bible is here to give you resources to help you understand why scripture matters and how it applies today! Check it out now at: 55:25 - Interview 58:20 - Why Was This Written? 1:03:50 - Pro-Israel and Antisemitism 1:13:31 - Christian Palestinian Response 1:22:00 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Christianity Today Article on Jesus Horror Movie: Woman Hidden in the Bible: The Right Rejecting the Judeo-Christian term: Other Resources: Being a Christian After the Desolation of Gaza by Bruce Fisk and J. Ross Wagner: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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696: Transcending Our Political Divisions & Labels with Andy Beshear
11/19/2025
696: Transcending Our Political Divisions & Labels with Andy Beshear
Mike Erre joins Phil and Skye to discuss a New York Times column by David Brooks. He says America’s divisions will only heal when we abandon shallow labels and war metaphors, and instead see one another as fellow pilgrims on a journey. America’s Catholic bishops issue a stern rebuke of the Trump administration’s dehumanizing rhetoric and policies, which makes Phil wonder why evangelical leaders can’t do the same. Then, Skye talks to Kentucky’s Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, about why he’s so popular in a state that Donald Trump won by 30 points, and how his party can begin to narrow the “God gap” with voters. Also this week—an A.I. vacuum cleaner has an existential crisis. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:32 - Theme Song 3:54 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 4:54 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Get the AG1 welcome pack when you order from 6:20 - AI Roomba Has a Breakdown 16:08- David Brooks on Pilgrimage and Pluralism 45:50 - Catholic Bishops Critical on Immigration Law 50:12 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to HOLYPOST 51:15 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 52:21 - Interview 54:48 - What Went Wrong with Democrats? 1:03:42 - Fire with Fire Approach? 1:09:06 - Democrat’s Aversion to Religious Language 1:13:30 - Pro-Life Democrats? 1:21:51 - How Will Democrats Change? 1:25:32 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Roomba Butter Breakdown: David Brooks Article on Pluralism: Catholic Bishops on Trump’s Immigration Policies: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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695: Analyzing the Blue Wave & Why the Church Still Matters with Carmen Joy Imes
11/12/2025
695: Analyzing the Blue Wave & Why the Church Still Matters with Carmen Joy Imes
The Democratic Party swept the off-cycle elections last week, but this isn’t the first blue wave we’ve seen in the Trump era. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss what it means and the significance of New York City electing a Muslim, democratic socialist as mayor. Does Mamdani represent the death of New York, and possibly America, as one Baptist leader claims? Old Testament scholar Carmen Imes is back to discuss why she hasn’t given up on the church, and we shouldn’t either. Her new book is “Becoming God’s Family: Why the Church Still Matters.” Also this week—how social media is making Christianity dumber and what to do about it. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 66 Verse to Explain the Bible - 1 Chronicles: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:54 - Theme Song 4:15 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 5:25 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 6:30 - Blue Wave or Just a Wash? 12:12 - Buzz Around Mamdani 24:00 - Critics of Israel Called Anti-Semetic 30:11 - NYC, Immigration, and Voting Rights 52:28 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 50% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 53:22 - Sponsor - World Relief - Start your monthly partnership today to help care for others in need: 54:47 - Interview 1:05:00 - Why’s the Old Testament Relevant? 1:13:00 - Struggles for the Church 1:28:28 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Fareed Zakaria Article: Washington Post Article: Anti-Intellectual Christianity on Tiktok: Other Resources: Becoming God’s Family: Why Church Still Matters by Carmen Imes: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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French Friday: The Nazi Rot on the Right
11/07/2025
French Friday: The Nazi Rot on the Right
Open Nazi rhetoric is gaining traction on the right, and the response from conservative institutions has been inconsistent at best. Skye and David trace the roots of the problem, the incentives that fueled it, and the late-breaking backlash that may signal a tipping point. They also look at ICE’s increasingly aggressive “Kavanaugh stops,” the risks of expanding executive power, and why election integrity could be threatened when extremism and state authority begin to reinforce each other. Want the full episode? Go to The SkyePod feed to hear it now!
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694: Why Don’t We Take Church Unity Seriously? with N.T. Wright
11/05/2025
694: Why Don’t We Take Church Unity Seriously? with N.T. Wright
A new survey finds that moderately religious Americans are the most likely to say that they see dead people. Which raises a question—why are the non-religious and the very religious less likely to report encounters with the departed? New York Times columnist Ezra Klein says that by over-emphasizing inclusivity, the Democratic Party has ironically become less inclusive. And Ryan Burge looks at the numbers behind the party’s growing “God problem.” Will the Democrats ever figure out how to compete against MAGA? New Testament scholar N.T. Wright is back to discuss his latest book, “The Vision of Ephesians.” He tells Skye that the modern church has overemphasized the gospel importance of going to heaven and underemphasized the gospel importance of church unity. Also this week—Phil digs his hole with fans of Wicked even deeper. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Bonus Interview with N. T. Wright: 0:00 - Show Starts 4:23 - Theme Song 4:46 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:50 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off your first order by using this link: 7:33 - Live Show Debrief 9:20 - Phil’s Beef with Wicked 15:26 - Visited by the Dead? 25:44 - Ezra Klein on Why Democrats Aren’t Winning 49:23 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 50:23 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 15% off your first order by going to 51:30 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Get the AG1 welcome pack when you order from 52:57 - Interview 55:50 - The Joining of Heaven and Earth 1:04:11 - Unity of the Church 1:16:43 - Barriers Against Multiculturalism 1:28:28 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: 4 in 10 Evangelicals Say They’ve Been Visited by the Dead Other Resources: The Vision of Ephesians: The Task of the Church and the Glory of God by N. T. Wright: Ezra Klein Article on the Democratic Party: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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693: Holy Post LIVE from Chicago 2025
10/29/2025
693: Holy Post LIVE from Chicago 2025
This week is Halloween, and on this special episode recorded with a live audience, the Holy Post hosts discuss why our culture isn’t afraid of monsters and demons anymore. How did all of our pop culture heroes and villains become morally ambiguous? Also, would communal living solve our loneliness epidemic? Kaitlyn is all for it, but Skye isn’t so sure. Also this week—audience Q&A, Phil, Skye, Kaitlyn, and Esau play a game of true confessions, and Phil’s favorite news segment comes full circle. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Bonus Question: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:34 - Theme Song 9:55 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 11:04 - Sponsor - Credible Witness - In a world where the church’s credibility is in question, we share stories that still bear witness to Christ’s radical love, resilient hope, and transforming justice: 12:09 - Should We Be in Communes? 27:55 - Why Aren’t We Scared of Demons Anymore? 33:30 - The Loss of Heroes? 47:40 - Skye’s Take on Halloween 50:12 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to HOLYPOST 51:20 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 52:30 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 53:30 - Q&A: God’s Leading vs Dreams 58:16 - Q&A: Less News of the Butt 1:00:18 - Q&A: New Taylor Swift Album 1:03:42 - Q&A: Magic in Media 1:12:12 - True Confessions 1:22:00 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Butt breathing! It’s not normal to raise kids like this: We’re not afraid of demons or monsters anymore: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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692: Vertical vs. Horizontal Morality & Rediscovering Confession with Jamin Goggin
10/22/2025
692: Vertical vs. Horizontal Morality & Rediscovering Confession with Jamin Goggin
A recent article tries to explain why so many politically active Christians behave unchristianly in the public square by differentiating “vertical” and “horizontal” sources of morality. The Holy Post crew examines the argument and finds it weak. Has MAGA ignited a revival in the U.S.? David French says we may be confusing a political revolution for a spiritual revival. Jamin Goggin joins Skye to discuss recovering the practice of confession in our churches. Goggin says it should start with pastors. Also this week—man does not live by 1200-year-old bread alone. 0:00 - Show Starts 2:59 - Check out the After Party’s free 6-week video course, the companion book, a workshop version of the content, or their new worship album with The Porter’s Gate. 4:25 - Sponsor - AG1 - Get a free welcome kit (worth $75) when you sign up here - 5:49 - No Kings Protest 10:15 - Image of Christ found in 1200 year old bread 14:56 - Revival or Revolution? 26:38 - Vertical morality vs Horizontal morality 41:55 - The Daily Wire critiques Skye 46:22 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Head on over to policygenius.com/HOLYPOST to compare life insurance quotes and get the coverage you need. 47:35 - Sponsor - World Relief - Download your free set of conversation cards from World Relief today at 49:52 - Interview with Jamin Goggin Pastoral Confessions: The Healing Path to Faithful Ministry by Jamin Goggin 1:25:52 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: 1,200-year-old loaf of bread with image of Christ unearthed in astonishing find What Drives MAGA Christians' Un-Christian Actions? Experts Say It Comes Down To This. Something Is Stirring in Christian America, and It’s Making Me Nervous Other Resources: Pastoral Confessions: The Healing Path to Faithful Ministry by Jamin Goggin The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb: Searching for Jesus’ Path of Power in a Church that Has Abandoned It Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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691: The Antichrist, Illiberalism, & Why Gen Z Accepts Political Violence with Elizabeth Neumann
10/15/2025
691: The Antichrist, Illiberalism, & Why Gen Z Accepts Political Violence with Elizabeth Neumann
In a series of invitation-only, off-the-record lectures about Christianity, technology billionaire Peter Thiel said the antichrist is trying to regulate technology and billionaires. Which raises the question—Why do we always remake Christ in our image and the antichrist in our enemies’? Gen Z is making conservative Christianity more angry, intolerant, and illiberal. What’s fueling the younger generation's interest in religious fundamentalism? Counter-terrorism expert Elizabeth Neumann is back to discuss the rising acceptance of political violence among young adults and why she expects things to get worse before they get better. Also this week—the fishy origin of fingers. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: The World Born in You: Letter Five: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:05 - Theme Song 3:13 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 4:24 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:45 - Fingers are Fish Butts? 9:23 Peter Thiel’s Antichrist Fixation 23:51 - Conservative Christian Gen Z 39:24 - Black-and-White Internet Narratives 48:09 - Swiss Chocolate! 50:08 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 51:13 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 52:13 - Sponsor - Credible Witness - In a world where the church’s credibility is in question, we share stories that still bear witness to Christ’s radical love, resilient hope, and transforming justice: 53:15 - Interview 55:29 - Belief Systems and Violence 1:03:24 - Young People and Violence 1:11:16 - Is Violence a Reflection of Lack of Power? 1:17:15 - Trusting Jesus Instead of Violence 1:26:04 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Peter Thiel and the Antichrist: Are Fingers Just Long Butts? Gen Z Conservatives: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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690: Flying Bishops, Evangelical Ignorance, & Slow Theology with A.J. Swoboda & Nijay Gupta
10/08/2025
690: Flying Bishops, Evangelical Ignorance, & Slow Theology with A.J. Swoboda & Nijay Gupta
For the first time ever, the U.K. has appointed a woman as the Archbishop of Canterbury to lead the global Anglican Communion. Kaitlyn, Skye, and Mike Erre discuss the implications of appointment and how Anglicans use “flying bishops” to maintain unity over divisive theological issues. Are there lessons here for other divided Christian communities? The latest “State of Theology” report shows a shocking number of evangelicals hold contradictory beliefs. Why are evangelical churches so bad at teaching the Bible and theology? Kaitlyn talks with A.J. Swoboda and Nijay Gupta, co-authors of “Slow Theology,” about how our cultural addiction to speed and quick answers actually fuels spiritual disillusionment and deconstruction. Also this week—new data shows why most female animals outlive males. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: The World Born in You Chapter 5 is out now! 0:00 - Show Starts 3:08 - Theme Song 3:30 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 15% off your first order by going to 4:40 - Sponsor - AG1 - Get the AG1 welcome pack when you order from 6:11 - Men Die Sooner Than Women! 14:22 - Women Can Be Archbishops? 36:15 - Why Don’t Evangelicals Know Theology? 52:49 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 53:50 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 55:55 - Interview 56:17 - Why Slow Theology? 59:50 - Deconstruction as Chemotherapy 1:13:17 - Orthodoxy for Power Rather Than Obedience 1:27:02 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Why Women Live Longer: Anglican Church Tension Over Woman as New Archbishop: Study Shows Evangelicals Don’t Know Theology: Other Resources: Slow Theology: Eight Practices for Resilient Faith in a Turbulent World (A Guide to Deep Faith in Our Busy Modern Lives) by A. J. Swoboda and Nijay K. Gupta: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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689: The Rapture, Repentance, & Redefining the Good Life with Grace Hamman
10/01/2025
689: The Rapture, Repentance, & Redefining the Good Life with Grace Hamman
After a South African pastor claimed that Christ would come for his church on September 23, TikTok became rapture obsessed. Mike Erre joins Skye and Kaitlyn to discuss our ongoing fixation with this bad theology, why people get caught up in rapture predictions, and how it damages the credibility of the faith. Kaitlyn talks to Medieval scholar, Grace Hamman, about her new book, “Asks of Old Paths.” Hamman says Medieval literature is rich in wisdom for modern Christians on how to define a good life, using the language of virtues and vices. Also this week—a secular writer examines the benefit of confession and repentance, which makes us wonder why so few Christians practice it. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:10 - Theme Song 2:32 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to HOLYPOST 3:39 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off your first order by using this link: https://www.ponchooutdoors.com/holypost 5:20 - The Rapture’s a Tiktok trend? 12:52 - Why’s The Rapture so Popular? 32:04 - Psychology and Repentance 41:00 - Self-Interest and Righteousness 54:22 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 55:30 - Sponsor - Rooted Ministry - A gospel-centered conference this October for youth, children’s, and family ministry! Check it out at 56:26 - Interview 58:05 - Why is Medieval poetry relevant? 1:05:22 - Virtues and Vices 1:16:20 - What’s a Vice We Misunderstand? 1:27:02 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Rapture Last Week! Psychological Value of Repentance Other Resources: Ask of Old Paths: Medieval Virtues and Vices for a Whole and Holy Life by Grace Hamman: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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688: The MAGA Contradiction & Educational Injustice with Terence Lester
09/24/2025
688: The MAGA Contradiction & Educational Injustice with Terence Lester
The memorial service for Charlie Kirk revealed a deep contradiction with the MAGA movement. Kirk’s widow was cheered when she forgave his assassin and modeled Jesus’ command to love your enemies. But the crowd also cheered when Stephen Miller and President Trump dehumanized their opponents and expressed hatred for their enemies. Esau McCaulley joins Phil and Skye to discuss the tension between Christian love and pagan power. Also this week, Dr. Terence Lester tells his inspiring story in his new book, “From Dropout to Doctorate,” and how he’s working both spiritually and systemically to reform education. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Cotton Candy Debate? 0:00 - Show Starts 3:00 - Theme Song 3:21 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 4:35 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 7:35 - Charlie Kirk’s Mixed Memorial Service 11:56 - Christlike Responses 22:53 - Two MAGAs 31:57 - Black Christians Grapple with Kirk’s Legacy 42:50 - Sponsor - World Relief - Join The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! 44:00 - The After Party - What’s discipling you? Reimagine political engagement through the lens of scripture and neighbor love with the free Redeeming Babble course today - 45:07 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 46:05 - Interview 47:46 - How Poverty Causes Trauma 52:47 - The Headstart People Don’t Get 1:01:48 - The Sick, Sin, and System Narratives 1:14:33 - How He Decided Not to Quite 1:25:18 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Bulwark Article on Two Speeches at the Memorial: Black Christians Confront Charlie Kirk’s Religious Legacy: Other Resources: From Dropout to Doctorate: Breaking the Chains of Educational Injustice by Terence Lester: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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687: Charlie Kirk & the Conflict Entrepreneurs
09/17/2025
687: Charlie Kirk & the Conflict Entrepreneurs
Last week, a gunman in Utah killed Charlie Kirk on a college campus. Rather than uniting the country against political violence, Kirk’s assassination has only made divisions wider. Some on the left celebrated his death, saying he reaped what he sowed, while some on the right, including the President, are calling for retribution against all leftists. One of the few voices trying to lower the temperature has been Utah’s Republican governor, Spencer Cox, who lamented the polarizing influence of social media and the “conflict entrepreneurs who benefit from radicalizing us.” Phil offers his coffeeshop reflections on how both the right and left justify hating the other side, while Kaitlyn and Skye discuss the need for faithful leadership when all of the incentives are against it. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:13 - Theme Song 2:35 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off your first order by using this link: 4:15 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 15:41 - Tony Perkins Article on America 23:22 - There Are Monsters in Your Midst, Too 29:15- Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 30:29 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 31:47 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Get the AG1 welcome pack when you order from 33:03 - The Increasing Acceptance of Political Violence 41:06 - Platforms of Hate 59:41 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Tony Perkin’s Article on Charlie Kirk: David French’s Article: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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686: Shootings, Single Fathers, & the Shadow Side of Ambition with Miroslav Volf
09/10/2025
686: Shootings, Single Fathers, & the Shadow Side of Ambition with Miroslav Volf
Following the school shooting in Minneapolis, The Christian Post has offered a definitive answer for why these massacres keep happening and why gun restrictions won’t work—people are evil. But why don’t politically conservative Christians apply this logic to any other issues? Surprising new data show that more young men than women want to be parents one day, and there’s a growing trend of single men becoming fathers by choice. What does this reveal about our society and the breakdown of dating and marriage? Theologian and best-selling author, Miroslav Volf, discusses his new book, “The Cost of Ambition.” He says our culture of competition is damaging, and too many Christians ignore what the Bible says about the dangers of ambition. Also this week, Phil brings us news from the glowing future. Holy Post Plus: Hills to Die On: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:05 - Theme Song 2:30 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 3:35 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:12 - News of the Glowing Future 11:58 - Mass Shootings and the Evils of Man 20:28- Is This an Argument for Antinomianism? 33:34 - Single Fathers by Choice? 50:35 - Sponsor - Student Life Application Study Bible - A study guide, using the New Living Translation, made specifically to bring the Bible to life for students! Go to 51:40 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 52:52 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 54:00 - Interview 57:06 - America and Competition 1:01:23 - Superiority vs. Excellence 1:13:28 - Nothing Out of Selfish Ambition 1:23:25 - End Credits Links Mentioned in News Segment: Glowing succulent plants! Christian Post’s Take on Minneapolis Shooting: Single Fathers by Choice: Other Resources: The Cost of Ambition: How Striving to Be Better Than Others Makes us Worse (Why Ambition Is at Odds with the Christian Faith) (Theology for the Life of the World) by Miroslav Volf: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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685: Finding Unity in a Divided Church with Beth Moore
09/03/2025
685: Finding Unity in a Divided Church with Beth Moore
Is unity in the church still possible when everyone is so divided? At the Legacy Conference in Chicago, Beth Moore joins Esau, Kaitlyn, and Skye to wrestle with what it means to remain in community with believers we deeply disagree with. Together they explore why purity tests are dividing Christians online, how cynicism masquerades as wisdom, and why endless outrage is not a productive way to go through life. Plus, some Q and A with the audience, and humpback whales may be the key to solving the empathy debate. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Q&A Question: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 1:03 - Theme Song 2:28 - Empathetic Humpback Whales! 10:30 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 11:35 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 12:45 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 14:21 - Purity and Unity 28:07 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 29:11 - Sponsor - For the Good of the Public Summit - CCPL’s annual summit in Washington, DC to act on important public issues. Go to and use code HOLYPOST for 20% off! 30:20 - Tired of Anger 43:30 - Is it Worth Engaging Twitter? 47:13 - Do We Just Believe What We Want? 57:37 - When Do You Look for a new Church? 1:00:59 - When is Something a Heresy? 1:12:28 - How to Love Those Who Are Against You? 1:15:35 - End Credits Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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684: Dobson Died, Cracker Barrel Cancelled, & Flipping Christian Politics with James Talarico
08/27/2025
684: Dobson Died, Cracker Barrel Cancelled, & Flipping Christian Politics with James Talarico
James Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, died this week. Critics are saying Dobson was the “godfather of child abuse,” while his fans are saying he belongs on the Mount Rushmore of evangelicalism. Who’s right? Phil, Skye, and Mike Erre discuss Dobson’s legacy and why the controversial conservative is secretly responsible for the creation of VeggieTales. Rising political social media star and Texas state representative, James Talarico, joins Skye to talk about his faith and what makes his frequent references to Christianity in his progressive politics different from the approach of Christian nationalists. Also this week—Cracker Barrel apologizes for changing its logo after being accused of stripping away America’s heritage and culture. Holy Post Plus: Getting Schooled - Did the Father Forsake the Son on the Cross? Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:03 - Theme Song 2:09 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to HOLYPOST 3:18 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 4:48 - Cracker Barrel Logo Gone Woke? 23:36 - James Dobson Passed Away 38:45 - No Dobson Means No Veggietales? 55:32 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month! 56:30 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 57:36 - Interview 1:01:15 - Telerico’s Faith Background 1:09:54 - Does the Democratic Party Align with Christianity? 1:20:37 - Flipping Tables 1:28:25 - Christianity and Welcoming the Stranger 1:35:30 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Cracker Barrel logo change! Dobson’s Passing: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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683: The Meaning of the Scopes Monkey Trial 100yrs Later with Chris Staron
08/20/2025
683: The Meaning of the Scopes Monkey Trial 100yrs Later with Chris Staron
New data shows the nations with the highest standards of living are seeing the sharpest declines in wellbeing, while people in poorer countries are reporting more happiness. What’s going on? David Brooks’ recent article looked at data from 142 countries, and he concludes that spirituality and social connection, not just wealth, are critical to human flourishing. In related news, since legalizing euthanasia in 2016 and expanding access to it, Canada has seen an alarming trend. Then, it’s been 100 years since the Scopes Monkey Trial. Phil talks to Chris Staron, creator of the Truce podcast, about what really happened at the trial and how fictional retellings of the event are still impacting American culture. Also this week—a fox with a footwear fetish. Ad-Free Version of this Episode 0:00 - Show Starts 2:03 - Theme Song 2:26- Sponsor - AG1 - Get the AG1 welcome kit worth $76 for FREE when you order from 3:52 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 5:00 - French Friday Theme Played for Chris Christie? 6:48 - Foxes Swiping Shoes? 13:15 - Why Are We So Hopeless? 30:40 - Canada is killing itself 48:08 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 49:25 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 50:24 - Sponsor - World Relief - Nearly half of all refugee children won’t attend school this year. Learn about how you can partner monthly with World Relief to provide safety, stability and hope for children and families in crisis at 52:00 - Interview - Listen to Chris Staron’s Truce Podcast episode on the Scopes Monkey Trials! 54:00 - Scopes Monkey Trials—Who Cares? 1:10:16 - How We Misremembered 1:18:27 - What’d the Trails Change? 1:28:46 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Foxes Swiping Shoes! Why More People in the World Are Feeling Hopeful by Arthur Brooks: Less Religion, less babies! Canada is Killing Itself: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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682: Why We Still Need the Institutional Church with Brad Edwards
08/13/2025
682: Why We Still Need the Institutional Church with Brad Edwards
The Holy Post crew is suspicious of a new study that finds MAGA supporters score higher in authoritarianism, social dominance, and malevolent personality traits, while liberals score higher in compassion and empathy. Church planter, Brad Edwards, says many of us hold beliefs, language, and values that sabotage our ability to benefit from participation in a church. He talks to Kaitlyn about his new book, “The Reason for Church,” and why our anti-institutional instincts are self-defeating. Also this week, the Secretary of Defense reposted comments from his pastor that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote. The Catholic Church says ICE detainees are being denied their religious rights. And robo-bunnies of death. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: Bonus Interview with Brad Edwards: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:25 - Theme Song Updated! 3:48 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off your first order by using this link: https://www.ponchooutdoors.com/holypost 5:27 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 7:06 - Okoboji! 12:53 - Robo-Rabbits vs Snakes! 18:53 - Hegseth Opposes Women’s Suffrage? 22:42 - Priests Alligator Alcatraz 28:22 - Conservative/Liberal Empathy Study 48:50 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 50:00 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 51:11 - Interview - The Reason for Church: Why the Body of Christ Still Matters in an Age of Anxiety, Division, and Radical Individualism by Brad Edwards: 53:48 - Where’s the Church at? 1:01:33 - Institution vs Therapy Speak 1:14:00 - Compassion as Moral Framework 1:26:15 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Robot Bunnies in Florida: Priests going to Alligator Alcatraz: Women’s Suffrage in question? Conservative vs Liberal Empathy Study: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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681: Strategically Small Churches with Brandon O'Brien
08/06/2025
681: Strategically Small Churches with Brandon O'Brien
A whites-only community has launched in Arkansas under the legal guise of a “private membership association.” The founders claim it’s about preserving culture, but Skye and Phil aren’t buying it. Then, Brent Leatherwood, head of the Southern Baptist Convention’s public policy arm, has resigned after years of pressure from hardline conservatives. What does his departure reveal about the denomination’s political realignment? And, this week’s guest is Brandon O’Brien, author of The Strategically Small Church. As American Christianity grapples with shrinking attendance and fading influence, O’Brien offers a compelling vision for why small congregations might be not just inevitable, but essential. Also Phil learns way too much about penguin poop. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:30 - Theme Song 3:50 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 4:45 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 6:15 - Penguin Poop Saves the World? 15:50 - Whites-Only Community in Arkansas? 28:47 - SBC Commission President Steps Down! 43:48 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 44:55 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 46:05 - Sponsor - Church at the Crossroads - How should churches respond to the crisis in Gaza? Join a conference to break the silence. Go to and use code HOLYPOST for 20% off! 47:21 - Interview 51:09 - Appetite for Small Churches? 59:00 - Beholden to Budget 1:09:15 - Unanxious 1:20:46 - End Credits Links from News Segment: All White Community in Arkansas: Brent Leatherwood Steps Down: Other Resources: The Strategically Small Church: Intimate, Authentic, and Effective by Brandon J. O’Brien: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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680: Cancelling Colbert, Starving Gaza, & American Charisma with Molly Worthen
07/30/2025
680: Cancelling Colbert, Starving Gaza, & American Charisma with Molly Worthen
CBS has cancelled the top-rated late-night talk show. Was it really a financial decision, or was it done to get the Trump administration to approve a corporate merger? And will Stephen Colbert now come on the Holy Post? Horrific images of starvation are coming out of Gaza as pressure builds on the Israeli government to end the war, but when does pro-Palestinian activism cross the line into antisemitism? Historian Molly Worthen’s new book, “Spellbound,” explains how charismatic political and religious movements have shaped America, and why they depend more on a compelling story than a persuasive leader. Also this week— Phil is back from his European vacation with stories of schnitzel and chicken dancing. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Molly Worthen: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:30 - Theme Song 2:50 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 3:55 - Sponsor - Brooklyn Bedding - Brooklyn Bedding is offering up to 25% off sitewide for our listeners! Go to 5:04 - Phil’s Chicken Dance Adventure 15:05 - Colbert Cancelled? 24:21 - Antisemitism and Protesting Israel 42:43 - Sponsor - Poncho - If you’ve been looking for the perfect shirt—something breathable, fits great, feels even better, and stands out in a good way—give Poncho a try. Get $10 off your first order by using this link: 44:23 - Interview 47:50 - Building vs Destroying Institutions 58:56 - What Charismatic Movements Succeed? 1:09:45 - Charismatic Leader vs Charismatic Story 1:16:00 - Secular yet Spiritual 1:23:19 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Holding Israel accountable isn’t antisemtic—harming Jews is: Other Resources: Spellboard: How Charisma Shaped American History from the Puritans to Donald Trump: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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679: Individualism, Transhumanism, & Learning from Abolitionists with Daniel Lee Hill
07/23/2025
679: Individualism, Transhumanism, & Learning from Abolitionists with Daniel Lee Hill
Why is our society so fractured and angry? David Brooks’ recent article draws from the work of moral philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre to explain how we got here, but what is the solution? With the growth of A.I., some Christians think technology may be how God redeems humanity and gives us eternal life. But is this still Christianity or a strange new Silicon Valley heresy? Kaitlyn talks to Daniel Lee Hill about his latest book, “Bearing Witness: What the Church Can Learn from Early Abolitionists.” Also this week—dolphins learn to puff the magic fish. Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:05 - Theme Song 2:27 - Sponsor - World Relief - Join The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! 3:30 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 4:55 - Dolphins High Off Pufferfish Toxins 10:15 - David Brooks on Moral Philosophy 36:36 - Transhuminist Christians 52:20 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 53:20 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 54:16 - Interview 56:12 - Why Write Bearing Witness? 1:03:40 - What Do We Learn from Abolitionists? 1:19:23 - Communal History in the Church 1:29:46 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Dolphins Doing Drugs: David Brooks Article on Moral Philosophy: Russell Moore on AI and God: Other Resources: Bearing Witness: What the Church Can Learn from Early Abolitionists by Daniel Lee Hill: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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678: Is Gen Z Having a Religious Revival? with Ryan Burge
07/16/2025
678: Is Gen Z Having a Religious Revival? with Ryan Burge
The IRS has decided churches are no longer prohibited from endorsing political candidates. Is this a win for free speech or a reason for some churches to become even more partisan? The Department of Homeland Security has released a creepy new promotional video that uses the Bible to frame border security as a mission from God. The Christian who gave George W. Bush the idea of “compassionate conservatism” says the passing of the Big Beautiful Bill marks the end of an era for the GOP. Professor Ryan Burge is back with data about the religious outlook of Gen Z. Some see evidence of a revival, but Burge says it’s probably wishful thinking. Also this week, animal fashion news: chimp drip edition. World Relief: Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Ryan Burge: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:22 - Theme Song 3:44 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at HOLYPOST 4:48 - Sponsor - Hiya Health - Go to to receive 50% off your first order 5:55 - Chimp Fashion! 12:56 - Christian in Government with PEPFAR 16:07 - The Johnson Amendment 29:24 - Bible Verse in an ICE Recruitment Ad 40:59 - Why Is the Church So Libertarian? 55:33 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 56:42 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 58:00 - Interview 1:00:45 - Why Are They Saying It’s a “Revival?” 1:09:05 - Can Revival Be Predicted? 1:16:50 - Church and Loneliness 1:29:46 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Chimps and Grassy Fashion! Other Resources: Ryan Burge’s Article on Gen Z Revival: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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677: Ending PEPFAR & Why the Self-Esteem Movement Failed with Sharon Hodde Miller
07/09/2025
677: Ending PEPFAR & Why the Self-Esteem Movement Failed with Sharon Hodde Miller
When George W. Bush created the PEPFAR program in 2003, it was celebrated by evangelical leaders and has saved more than 26 million lives in Africa from HIV/AIDS. So why weren’t evangelicals outraged when Donald Trump killed PEPFAR, which has already resulted in over 75,000 deaths since January? Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn unpack the arguments for and against PEPFAR, and how evangelical support for “small government” only applies to some programs. Then, Katilyn talks to Sharon Hodde Miller about what the self-esteem movement gets wrong about insecurity, and how we can recover the Christian virtue of service and self-forgetfulness. Also this week, rotten butter ants invade Europe. Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Rachel Martin: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:22 - Theme Song 3:45 - Sponsor - Blueland - Get up to 25% off your first order by going to 4:50 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 5:58 - Stinky Ants in Europe! 11:41 - PEPFAR and Evangelicals 21:00 - Spiritual Formation of Small Government Politics 25:35 - Addressing Anti-PEPFAR arguments 48:55 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 50:12 - Interview 55:54 - Insecurity and Ministry 1:08:20 - The Emptiness of Self-Esteem 1:14:30 - Transactional Relationships 1:25:14 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Super Ants Invade! Why Evangelicals Turned Their Back on PEPFAR: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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676: Classroom Culture Wars & the Spirituality of Secular America with Rachel Martin
07/02/2025
676: Classroom Culture Wars & the Spirituality of Secular America with Rachel Martin
With Phil on vacation, Kaitlyn and Esau join Skye to talk about the Supreme Court’s ruling that public schools must allow students to opt out of gender or sexuality content that may contradict the religious beliefs of their families. At the same time, more Americans say public schools should hire chaplains to offer spiritual guidance to students. With schools increasingly becoming the front line in the culture war, can public education survive? Then, Skye talks to Rachel Martin, the co-creator of NPR’s Wild Card podcast and former host of Morning Edition, about what she’s learned from interviewing artists, actors, and activists about their beliefs. She offers an intriguing glimpse into the spirituality of secular America. Also this week—the internet is full of bad advice about “toxic” relationships. Use Promo Code “Book” to get 20% off your first subscription to Holy Post Plus! Holy Post Plus: Bonus Interview with Rachel Martin: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 2:30 - Theme Song 2:50 - Sponsor - Glorify - Sign up for the #1 Christian Daily Devotional App to help you stay focused on God. Go to to download the app today! 3:55 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 5:02 - LGBTQ Schoolbook Opt-Outs 27:12 - Who’s Toxic? 35:18 - Did We Jettison Forgiveness? 47:16 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 48:35 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 49:45 - Interview 55:00 - Staying Informed without Burnout 59:30 - Rachel’s Spiritual Background 1:13:52 - The Wild Card podcast and Spirituality 1:27:32 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Court’s Ruling on Parents Opting Out of LGBTQ books in Schools: Majority of Americans Support Chaplains in Schools: Other Resources: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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675: Iran, End Times, & the Political God Gap with Senator Chris Coons
06/25/2025
675: Iran, End Times, & the Political God Gap with Senator Chris Coons
Nothing fires up the End Times industry faster than America dropping bombs in the Middle East. After President Trump decided to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities this weekend, YouTube was flooded with convoluted and contradictory videos on the biblical implications of the war. But if this really is a prelude to Christ’s return, as many online end timers claim, why are they stoking panic and fear? Shouldn’t Christians welcome this news? Skye talks to Senator Chris Coons about how his faith informs his politics, why he went to divinity school, and what the Democrats can do to close the “God gap” in politics. Also this week—courts struck down the Louisiana law requiring the 10 Commandments to be posted in every public school classroom, and the real origin of “honky dory.” Holy Post Plus: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:16 - Theme Song 3:40 - Sponsor - Policy Genius - Secure your family’s tomorrow so you have peace of mind today. Go to to find the right life insurance for you 4:53 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food - Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to or use code HOLYPOST at checkout. 7:11 - Protesting While in Red States 16:07 - End Times Prophecies and Iran 22:30 - Mark Driscoll and the Manosphere 26:26 - Louisiana and the 10 Commandments 37:44 - Sponsor - BetterHelp - This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at and get 10% off your first month 38:52 - Sponsor - Our Place - Go to and use code HOLYPOST to get 10% off site wide on beautiful cookware! 40:02 - Interview 42:36 - US Involvement in the Middle East 50:20 - Divinity School and Public Service 57:37 - The God Gap 1:08:35 - End Credits Links from News Segment: Russell Moore on Why We Shouldn’t Look for End Time Implications: Louisiana Ten Commandments Law: Vox’s Article on the “New Religious Right” Other Resources: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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674: Parades, Protests, and Habeas Corpus with Michael Bird
06/18/2025
674: Parades, Protests, and Habeas Corpus with Michael Bird
It was a wild weekend. Donald Trump presided over a military parade on his birthday while an estimated 5 million Americans protested around the country. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the optics of both events and ask, with America’s divided politics and media silos, is protesting still effective? They also unpack a new article by Abby McCloskey in CT that argues evangelicalism’s focus on a private, personalized faith undermines learning, curiosity, and exercising the mind. Then, theologian and Holy Post Pundit, Michael Bird, is back. He offers an outsider’s perspective on Trump’s military parade, the “No Kings” protests, and why he thinks more Christians should be concerned about the suspension of habeas corpus. Also this week: More ’50s slang and an update on Ed the zebra. Holy Post Plus: Getting Schooled - Ethics of Exile 101: Ad-Free Version of this Episode: 0:00 - Show Starts 3:25 - Theme Song 3:50 - Sponsor - Timeless designs, great fabrics. Perfect swimwear for your kids this summer! Check out Minnow at enter SHOPMINNOW15 for 15% off your first order. 4:57 - Sponsor - AG1 - Heavily researched, thoroughly purity-tested, and filled with stuff you need. Go to 6:18 - 50’s Slang 9:44 - Ed the Zebra’s Return! 14:35 - Military Parade 23:48 - What Does Protest Do? 32:05 - The Christian Mind Out of Practice 47:30 - Teaching Essentials of the Faith 50:21 - Sponsor - Rocket Money - Find and cancel your old subscriptions with Rocket Money at 51:28- Sponsor - World Relief - Join The Path as a monthly partner with World Relief! 52:24 - Interview 59:30 - Polarization of the Military 1:10:05 - Right to Protest 1:19:45 - End Credits Links from News Segment: A Christian Mind Out of Practice by Abby McCloskey: Other Resources: Read the Introduction to Skye’s new book and sign up to Holy Post Plus to follow along as the book is written: Holy Post website: Holy Post Plus: Holy Post Patreon: Holy Post Merch Store: The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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