The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
What started as a series of short mysteries for the curious mind with a short attention span has evolved into enlightening conversations for the not-so-short attention span. Whether it’s a short mystery, a long conversation, or an audio book, The Way I Heard It is a veritable box of chocolates for the ears, because you never know what you’re going to get.
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488: Connor Boyack—Spontaneous Order
06/09/2026
488: Connor Boyack—Spontaneous Order
Spontaneous Order might sound like a contradiction, but according to author, entrepreneur, and educator Connor Boyack, some of society’s most important innovations emerge without a master plan. Mike sits down with Connor, the bestselling co-creator and co-author of The Tuttle Twins book series that inspired the hit animated show, founder and president of the and a leading advocate for teaching the principles of liberty, entrepreneurship, personal responsibility, and free markets to the next generation. Connor shares the mission that drives his work: helping families understand how free people, voluntary cooperation, and decentralized problem-solving can create remarkable outcomes. Along the way, he and Mike explore the power of ideas, the importance of questioning assumptions, why history still matters, and how a children’s book series grew into a cultural phenomenon reaching millions of families. This conversation offers a fascinating look at the relationship between freedom, education, and the unexpected order that can arise when people are left free to innovate. Big thanks to our terrific sponsors Get UNLIMITED hi-speed data for just $34.99 per month! to post a job for FREE. See what’s possible for your child with K12’s Career and College Prep Use code MIKE to get $35 off their best-selling Carver Mat
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487: Blake Scholl—Making Supersonic Travel Real
06/02/2026
487: Blake Scholl—Making Supersonic Travel Real
Mike Rowe sits down with Blake Scholl, the former Amazon software engineer turned aerospace entrepreneur who walked away from Silicon Valley to revive supersonic passenger travel. As the founder of , Blake explains the century-long pursuit of faster flight. From the Cold War race to break the sound barrier to the rise—and fall—of the Concorde, Blake explains why supersonic travel disappeared just as it seemed destined to change aviation forever. He also shares how Boom Supersonic is working to make high-speed passenger flight practical again, and what it will take to shrink a 12-hour flight into just a few hours. Along the way, Mike and Blake discuss innovation, risk, engineering breakthroughs, and why some people refuse to accept that getting somewhere faster is a problem already solved. Shout out to our great sponsors Purchase any Father’s Day Gift Box and get FREE Wagyu Burgers. Use code MIKE to get 20% off your order. Less rework. Less confusion. And a much smoother build experience for homeowners.
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486: Jason Ladanye—Nothing Up His Sleeve
05/26/2026
486: Jason Ladanye—Nothing Up His Sleeve
Mike sits down with master card mechanic and sleight-of-hand expert , whose impossible demonstrations of gambling moves and psychological deception have earned him a reputation as one of the best card handlers working today. Jason explains how a childhood obsession with cards—and an influential mentorship with legendary magician Darwin Ortiz—shaped his career performing around the world. Along the way, Jason shows Mike how magicians secretly track cards through a shuffled deck, demonstrates the art of bottom dealing, and reveals why the real secret behind great magic isn’t fast hands—it’s storytelling, conviction, and understanding exactly how people think. And of course, there are several mind-blowing demonstrations of his ability. Follow Jason on and see him LIVE at an . Big thanks to our awesome sponsors Choose any plan for $15 per month for the first three months. Download their FREE business guide, Demystifying AI Join the skilled trade movement!
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485: Josh Smith—Made FOR America
05/19/2026
485: Josh Smith—Made FOR America
Founder and president of Josh Smith sits down with Mike to discuss his unlikely path from working as a lineman to becoming one of America’s premier master bladesmiths. The conversation dives into the grit, craftsmanship, and obsession with quality that helped turn a small operation into one of the fastest-growing knife manufacturers in the country. The two also talk about the grand opening of MKC’s brand-new 50,000-square-foot manufacturing facility in Missoula, where Josh explains why controlling his supply chain matters now more than ever—and what “Made in America” actually requires behind the scenes. Along the way, Josh gives Mike an exclusive look at a brand-new blade that hasn’t been released to the public yet. It’s a conversation about work ethic, American manufacturing, entrepreneurship, and the sharp edge between tradition and innovation. Tip o’ the hat to our excellent sponsors to post a job for FREE. Use code MIKE to get $40 off your first order and free meat for life. Join the skilled trade movement!
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484: Tom Albanese—The Metals at the Bottom of the Ocean
05/12/2026
484: Tom Albanese—The Metals at the Bottom of the Ocean
In this episode Mike explores the growing race for critical minerals hidden deep beneath the Pacific Ocean with mining executive Tom Albanese, Chairman of and former CEO of Rio Tinto and Vedanta Resources. Tom has spent more than four decades in the global mining and metals business, overseeing some of the largest resource projects on earth. Now he’s focused on something even more ambitious: harvesting polymetallic nodules from the ocean floor—potato-sized rocks packed with nickel, cobalt, copper, manganese, and rare earth elements that are critical to batteries, AI infrastructure, defense systems, smartphones, and modern energy technology. Mike and Tom discuss why these nodules have become one of the most hotly contested resources in the world and how the race for critical minerals has evolved into both an economic and geopolitical battle. They also explain why many companies see the deep ocean as an alternative to opening hundreds of new land mines. Hint: These nodules sit unattached on the ocean floor just waiting to be vacuumed up without need for blasting or tunneling. It’s a conversation that feels part science fiction, part industrial history, and part treasure hunt. Because sometimes the next gold rush isn’t in the mountains. It’s sitting three miles beneath the top of the ocean. Today’s episode is sponsored by Get UNLIMITED hi-speed data for just $34.99 per month! Download their FREE business guide, Demystifying AI See what’s possible for your child with K12’s Career and College Prep Use code MIKE to get 20% off your order.
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483: Peggy Rowe—Mother’s Day with Mom… LIVE!
05/08/2026
483: Peggy Rowe—Mother’s Day with Mom… LIVE!
In this special LIVE edition of Coffee with Mome, Mike heads home for Mother’s Day and sits down with the woman who taught him everything worth knowing — his mom, Peggy Rowe. Recorded in front of a live audience at the place Peggy refers to as The Home, this episode is filled with the warmth, wit, and wonderfully sharp observations fans have come to expect from America’s Grandmother. From family stories and hard-earned wisdom to laughter that only comes from decades of shared history, Mike and Peggy talk about motherhood, growing older disgracefully, and the strange adventure of becoming a beloved public figure later in life. It’s funny, heartfelt, occasionally mischievous, and exactly the kind of conversation you’d hope to overhear around the kitchen table on Mother’s Day. Many thanks to our excellent sponsors Use code MIKE to get 20% off your order. Get UNLIMITED hi-speed data for just $34.99 per month! Spend $100, use code CARL and get bitters-infused sugar cubes FREE.
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482: Xi Van Fleet— Don't Be a Shiny Little Screw
05/05/2026
482: Xi Van Fleet— Don't Be a Shiny Little Screw
Mike sits down with author and Cultural Revolution survivor for a conversation that’s equal parts personal history and cautionary tale. Xi recounts her childhood under Mao Zedong’s China, where conformity wasn’t encouraged—it was enforced. As a schoolgirl, she watched teachers publicly humiliated, neighbors turn on each other, and young people mobilized as ideological foot soldiers. Education gave way to indoctrination, and individuality was crushed in favor of collective obedience—the kind that produces "shiny little screws.” Drawing from her first book, , Xi lays out how mass movements rooted in ideology often rely on dividing people into opposing groups—“good” versus “bad”—to consolidate power. She also comments on how youth are frequently weaponized to accelerate cultural upheaval and dismantle traditional institutions, often by encouraging them to reject established norms and embrace radical ideologies. These patterns, she argues, aren’t relics of history—they’re recurring tactics. And they are showing up in America today! The conversation then turns to her latest work, , where the focus shifts from warning signs to origin stories. The central theme: the rise of Communist China wasn’t inevitable—it was, in part, enabled by decisions made in the United States. Xi explores how decades of policy, economic cooperation, and ideological blind spots helped transform China into a global superpower, creating what she sees as one of America’s greatest modern challenges. It’s a conversation less about politics and more about people, choices, and consequences where Xi ends with a warning to America and why resisting the urge to become a “shiny little screw” might be more important than ever. Big thanks to our awesome sponsors to post a job for FREE. Use code MIKE to get $40 off your first order and free meat for life. to get an extra 10% off your order. Use code MIKE to get $25 off their best-selling Carver Mat frame.
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481: Jason Altmire—Trade Up
04/28/2026
481: Jason Altmire—Trade Up
Former congressman has spent years in Washington—and even more time outside it—making the case that America’s biggest opportunity isn’t behind a desk, but behind a welding mask, a set of tools, or the wheel of a big machine. Now leading , he’s on a mission to close the skills gap and reconnect hard work with real opportunity. In this episode, Mike and Jason dig into why millions of good jobs go unfilled, why the stigma around skilled labor refuses to die, and what it’ll take to convince a new generation that “college for all” might not be the answer. Along the way, they unpack the ideas behind Jason’s book, —and make a compelling case that the fastest way to achieve the American Dream might be to pursue a skilled trade. Tip o’ the hat to our excellent sponsors Get UNLIMITED hi-speed data for just $34.99 per month! Join the skilled trade movement! Use code MIKE to get $25 off your first order & FREE meat for life. to apply for a work ethic scholarship.
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480: Matt Ebert—The Billion Dollar Car Wreck
04/21/2026
480: Matt Ebert—The Billion Dollar Car Wreck
Matt Ebert didn’t set out to build a billion-dollar business—he just wanted to fix cars the right way. Today, he’s the CEO of Crash Champions, one of the fastest-growing collision repair companies in the country, valued in the billions and trusted to bring wrecked vehicles back to life. Mike sits down with Matt to unpack what really happens after a crash, why the skilled trades behind collision repair matter more than ever, and how a kid with no grand plan or college degree wound up leading a national powerhouse. Along the way, Matt tells how he got his start in the business, proving that sometimes the road to success begins with a single accident (or two) … and a desire to fix it. Many thanks to our excellent sponsors to post a job for FREE. Use code MIKE to get $25 off your first order and FREE meat for life. See what’s possible for your child with K12’s Career and College Prep Use code Mike to get $25 off their best-selling Carver Mat frame.
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479: Evan Voyles— The Connoisseur of Irony
04/14/2026
479: Evan Voyles— The Connoisseur of Irony
Neon lights aren’t supposed to be profound. They’re supposed to buzz, flicker, and sell you a cold beer or a bad decision. But Evan Voyles—founder of —has made a career out of bending that expectation into something stranger… and maybe a little wiser. Evan is a self-taught craftsman who works with fire, gas, and fragile tubes of glass to make signs that don’t just glow—they say something. His work has been commissioned by brands, collected as art, and—on more than one occasion—made people stop and wonder if the joke is on them. In this episode, Mike sits down with a guy who makes a living lighting things up—literally—and wrestles with why any of it matters. They talk about the strange line between art and advertising and why irony is harder to come by than you’d think. It’s a conversation about craft, culture, and the quiet satisfaction of making something with your hands… even if what you make is a glowing reminder not to take any of it too seriously. Big thanks to our awesome sponsors Choose a wireless company who shares YOUR values. Download their FREE business guide, Demystifying AI Use code MIKE to get 20% off your order. Join the skilled trade movement!
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478: Nicholas Eberstadt—The New Misery
04/07/2026
478: Nicholas Eberstadt—The New Misery
Numbers don’t lie—but they can obscure significant information. In this episode, Mike sits down with economist, demographer, and Harvard-educated brainiac Nicholas Eberstadt to explore a different kind of arithmetic—one that measures not just how many Americans we have, but how we’re actually living. In his latest book, America’s Human Arithmetic, Nick digs into three uncomfortable truths: first, the steady decline in prime-age labor force participation that persists even in strong economies. Second, the growing imbalance between those producing and those receiving—an economic equation increasingly tilted by entitlements and transfer payments. And third, a demographic slowdown marked by falling fertility and an aging population, reshaping the country’s long-term trajectory in ways few are prepared for. Add those together and you get a new misery. This conversation is about the kind of math that doesn’t stay on paper—the kind that shapes a nation’s future whether we’re paying attention or not. Tip o’ the hat to our excellent sponsors to post a job for FREE. Use code MIKE to get $25 off your first order and FREE meat for life. to get an extra 10% off your order. Apply for a work ethic scholarship today!
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477: Adam Carolla Has Some Thoughts
03/31/2026
477: Adam Carolla Has Some Thoughts
Adam Carolla sits down with Mike for a wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation on comedy, culture, and California. Adam breaks down his no-nonsense approach to making people laugh, building a podcasting empire, and telling the truth as he sees it—whether it’s popular or not. The two also take a hard look at the Palisades more than a year after the fire, the growing frustration with California’s regulatory maze, and what Adam really thinks about Newsom. Spoiler alert—it ain’t good. Oh, you better believe Adam Carolla has some thoughts. Tip o’ the hat to our excellent sponsors to post a job for FREE. Download their FREE business guide, Demystifying AI Use code ROWE for 20% off your first order. Spend $100, use code CARL, and get bitters-infused sugar cubes FREE.
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476: Michael Cadenazzi—The Department of War is Hiring
03/24/2026
476: Michael Cadenazzi—The Department of War is Hiring
What does it take to rebuild America’s industrial backbone—and who’s actually going to do the work? Mike sits down with Michael Cadenazzi, Assistant Secretary of War for Industrial Base Policy, to discuss his role at the Department of War (DOW) and his mission focused on restoring the muscle behind America’s might. Cadenazzi makes the case that while the U.S. still produces world-class engineers and cutting-edge weapons designs, there’s a growing gap where it matters most—the skilled workforce needed to actually build them. From welders and machinists to technicians and fabricators, he argues the country’s strength depends on rebuilding the trades that turn ideas into reality. It’s a candid conversation about work, purpose, and why the future of national security may hinge less on innovation—and more on the people willing to pick up the tools and get it done. Many thanks to our excellent sponsors Choose a wireless company who shares YOUR values. Use code MIKE for $25 off your first order and FREE meat for life. Use code ROWE for 20% off your first order. Use code MIKE to get 20% off your order.
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475: Jan Jekielek—Killed to Order
03/17/2026
475: Jan Jekielek—Killed to Order
Mike talks with , senior editor at and host of , to discuss his new book, . It’s an explosive investigation into allegations of state-sanctioned organ harvesting in China. Jan shares what he’s learned from years of interviews with doctors, investigators, and even survivors of this gruesome industry where political prisoners are killed for their organs. The conversation is a rumination on good versus evil, raising urgent questions about human rights and medical ethics. Referenced in this episode is Jan’s previous appearance on TWIHI Big thanks to our awesome sponsors See what’s possible for your child with K12’s Career and College Prep to post a job for FREE. Use code ROWE for 20% off your first order. to donate or apply.
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474: Jeff Childers—Coffee & Covid
03/10/2026
474: Jeff Childers—Coffee & Covid
Mike chats with Jeff Childers—the attorney-turned-writer behind the wildly popular —for a wide-ranging conversation about media narratives, pandemic politics, and the strange new world of citizen journalism. What began as a daily blog written during lockdown has grown into a must-read for hundreds of thousands of devotees looking for sharp legal insight, media criticism, and a dose of wry humor with their morning coffee. Jeff explains what it takes to crank out 2,000 to 6,000 snarky words every single day of the week, why he started writing in the first place, and how an attorney accidentally became one of the most widely read independent commentators on the internet. Along the way, he talks with Mike about the stories that keep him up at night—and why, despite all of it, he remains surprisingly optimistic about where the country is headed. ☕🎙️ Tip o’ the hat to our excellent sponsors Code MIKE gets $25 off your first order Choose a wireless company who shares YOUR values. Northwest Lineman College. Go to to find your pathway to the trades to get 10% off your order.
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473: Will Swaim—Don’t Follow California
03/03/2026
473: Will Swaim—Don’t Follow California
Mike talks with Will Swaim, CEO of the . California has long marketed itself as the future—a place where trends are born and the rest of the country eventually follows. But Swaim argues that when it comes to public policy, that’s the last thing America should do. Despite spending roughly $24 billion, California still leads the nation in homelessness. The state ranks near the bottom in education outcomes, while residents face the highest energy and gas prices as well as marginal income tax rates in America. Swaim argues these aren’t accidents—they’re the predictable results of bad policy choices.
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472: Anna Vocino—Eat Happy
02/24/2026
472: Anna Vocino—Eat Happy
Mike sits down with comedian, voiceover pro, cookbook author, and culinary entrepreneur, . Anna shares how her Eat Happy journey—from her bestselling cookbooks , , and to her podcast —grew out of personal health struggles and a lot of hustle. She also pulls back the curtain on her voiceover career and explains why getting a food product onto grocery store shelves is a lot harder than most people think. It’s a candid conversation about creativity, rejection, persistence, and what it really takes to turn passion into product. Tip o’ the hat to our excellent sponsors Choose a wireless company who shares YOUR values. to post a job for FREE. Code MIKE gets $25 off your first order Code ROWE gets you 20% off your first order
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471: David Zucker—Thanks for the Parking Spot
02/17/2026
471: David Zucker—Thanks for the Parking Spot
Mike talks with comedy legend , the creative force behind the movie Airplane! Zucker shares what it took to make Airplane!—pitching a spoof no one quite understood, casting serious actors to deliver absurd lines with a straight face, and why making his co-writers laugh was the secret sauce to pleasing the audience. He also discusses his new “” course, where Zucker teaches the dos and don’ts of spoof comedy writing. Along the way, we learn how John Landis landed National Lampoon's Animal House, helping ignite a new era of irreverent filmmaking. It’s a fast, funny conversation about risk, rebellion, and earning your parking space the hard way.
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470: Mark Malkoff—Love Johnny Carson
02/10/2026
470: Mark Malkoff—Love Johnny Carson
Johnny Carson didn’t just host The Tonight Show—he defined late-night television. In this episode, Mike talks with comedian and pop-culture historian , author of the book , about Carson’s quiet influence, off-camera generosity, and the unlikely ways his legacy still shapes comedy today. It’s a short history lesson, a love letter to show business, and a reminder that some icons never really leave the stage.
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469: Rep. Riley Moore—I’m Just a Bill
02/06/2026
469: Rep. Riley Moore—I’m Just a Bill
Mike sits down with , whose path to Capitol Hill began with a welding torch. Moore shares why he chose the skilled trades early in life, what that work taught him about dignity and opportunity, and how those lessons now shape his approach to policy. The discussion centers on Moore’s new legislation, the Jumpstart Savings Act, a proposal designed to remove financial barriers to apprenticeships, tools, and certifications—and to breathe new life into America’s skilled trades by treating them with the same respect long afforded to four-year degrees. Today’s episode is sponsored by to donate or apply. Spend $100, get bitters-infused sugar cubes FREE. Just add to cart & use code CARL.
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468: Thomas Tull—Adjacent to Greatness
02/03/2026
468: Thomas Tull—Adjacent to Greatness
Mike chats with billionaire entrepreneur and producer Thomas Tull, a man whose career has repeatedly put him just one degree away from greatness. Tull talks about his ownership stakes in professional sports teams including his beloved Pittsburgh Steelers, how he helped create a data-driven approach to marketing blockbuster films through Legendary Pictures and why understanding audiences mattered as much as the movies themselves. Along the way, Tull explains how it feels when his rock band, Ghost Hounds, takes the stage to open for none other than The Rolling Stones.
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467: BONUS Coffee with Mom—They Couldn't Get Enough of My Groin
01/28/2026
467: BONUS Coffee with Mom—They Couldn't Get Enough of My Groin
After a six-month hiatus from TWIHI and on the occasion of her 88th birthday, multiple New York Times bestselling author (a.k.a. Mike’s mom, a.k.a. America’s grandmother) drops by to tell us where she’s been, what she’s working on next, and the groin-intruding procedure that took away her double vision. Who says "you can't get there from here!?"
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466: Winn Claybaugh—Hairdressers Rule the World
01/27/2026
466: Winn Claybaugh—Hairdressers Rule the World
Mike sits down with the dean and co-founder of Paul Mitchell Schools to talk about how an industry built on scissors, sinks, and human connection quietly shapes culture, opportunity, and second chances. Known by just about everyone who’s met him as relentlessly—and genuinely—nice, Winn shares his improbable journey from former meth addict to one of the most influential educators in beauty, his deep commitment to philanthropy, and the philosophy behind his book . It’s a conversation about redemption, dignity in work, and the unexpected people who end up running the world—one haircut at a time.
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465: James Woods—Act Two
01/20/2026
465: James Woods—Act Two
Acclaimed actor joins TWIHI for a candid conversation that goes far beyond his iconic film roles. Woods addresses his cancellation from Hollywood and how it inspired his life's second act, making music. He also recounts a shocking, nearly fatal accident involving a walk through a glass door, and he doesn’t pull any punches when it comes to letting us know what he thinks about how Gavin Newsom has handled the aftermath of the Palisades Fire.
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464: Palmer Luckey—The Department of War Has a Mullet
01/13/2026
464: Palmer Luckey—The Department of War Has a Mullet
Tech founder, defense disruptor, and founder of Anduril Industries chats with Mike about the strange haircut on America’s military bureaucracy—all business in the front, chaos in the back. Luckey explains how Anduril is trying to bring speed, accountability, and modern technology to national defense, often in spite of layers of red tape. Along the way, they discuss why Palmer got into defense contracting, who was pivotal in the Department of Defense becoming the Department of War, and why he donated to AOC.
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463: Cyril Derreumaux—In the Flow
12/16/2025
463: Cyril Derreumaux—In the Flow
Mike sits down with adventurer, endurance athlete, and motivational speaker Cyril Derreumaux, a man who has spent an unusual amount of time alone with his thoughts—and the open ocean. Cyril talks Mike through his two 70-plus-day solo treks across both the Atlantic and the Pacific in a kayak. Mike and Cyril explore risk, resilience, and the fine line between careful preparation and total uncertainty. It’s a conversation about discipline, humility, and why sometimes the hardest part of moving forward is learning when not to fight the current.
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462: Del Bigtree—An Inconvenient Study
12/09/2025
462: Del Bigtree—An Inconvenient Study
On this eye-opening episode, Mike welcomes filmmaker and television veteran Del Bigtree of to discuss his newest documentary, —a film that investigates what happened to the most thorough childhood vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study ever done. They discuss how Del convinced a doctor at one of the most prestigious health institutes in the nation to conduct the study, the shocking findings, and why the study has never seen the light of day… until now.
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461: Danny Combs—TACT, The Future of Workforce
12/02/2025
461: Danny Combs—TACT, The Future of Workforce
Mike sits down with Danny Combs, founder of (Teaching the Autism Community Trades), a program that teaches people with autism skilled trades ranging from welding to woodworking to IT. With equal parts heart and hard data, Danny walks Mike through how TACT is helping fill critical labor shortages while giving thousands of gifted, detail-driven students a path to meaningful, good-paying work. It’s a conversation about talent, potential, and the untapped workforce hiding in plain sight. Danny’s book can be found Learn more about Stand Together at
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460: Ryan Fink and Ty Frackiewicz—Can AI Build My House?
11/25/2025
460: Ryan Fink and Ty Frackiewicz—Can AI Build My House?
Mike sits down with the two innovative minds behind Digs — an app that’s helping to streamline the home-building process. It’s a candid look at what happens when tech guys wander into the world of lumber, drywall, and delayed inspections—and try to fix it. If you’ve ever wondered whether artificial intelligence can actually help build a house, or at least make the whole ordeal a little less maddening, this conversation is for you.
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459: Steven Grayhm—Sheepdog
11/18/2025
459: Steven Grayhm—Sheepdog
Mike meets actor, writer, and director , whose award-winning film is about to hit theaters. Steven breaks down how a three-hour ride with a tow truck driver led him on a 14-year odyssey to get to the truth about veteran post-traumatic stress. It’s a conversation about grit, service, sacrifice, and the complicated realities faced by the men and women who stand their post long after the uniform comes off. Steven’s passion for telling their stories with honesty and respect shines through every frame of Sheepdog, and every minute of this conversation.
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