User Defenders – UX Design & Personal Growth
Being a great UX designer begins and ends with being a great human. We can't pour an empty cup into another. We can’t lead others where we are not. This UX podcast helps UX’ers become the best, most powerful designers (and humans) they can be. Yes, you'll discover how-to’s, but much more importantly you'll discover why-to’s. Every episode is sure to inspire and equip you on how to better fight for your users and business, and dare I say change the world (even if only for one human at a time) in a much deeper and more tangible way than you ever thought possible.
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Hitting Pause (2022)
03/28/2022
Hitting Pause (2022)
Life and career (re)focus this year have brought me to a place where I need to hit pause on this show's production... Keep fighting the good fight, dear Defender! 👊 Jason
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080: Everything I Know (So Far) on Landing a Job in UX with Jason Ogle
09/30/2021
080: Everything I Know (So Far) on Landing a Job in UX with Jason Ogle
This is the last episode of 2021. After nearly two years of outlining the content for this episode and nearly two months (at time of writing) of recording and editing, here's everything I know (so far) about landing a job in UX. I hope this content is not only useful to you and anyone you know looking to land their first (or next) job in UX, but I sincerely hope this episode is greatly inspirational and even life-changing for you.
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079: Listener Spotlight – Landing My First UX Job
08/16/2021
079: Listener Spotlight – Landing My First UX Job
Here’s a fun treat I’ve never done before. In this episode I shine the spotlight on listeners Jordan Burke + Joel Ryerson who recently landed their first job in UX! Hear them tell their inspiring stories of their journey getting here while gaining some valuable insights on how you can too! I was blown away at the depth, insight, authenticity and value they both added with their motivational and entertaining stories of struggle and ultimately triumph!
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078: There and Back (and Forward) Again with Bob Baxley
07/12/2021
078: There and Back (and Forward) Again with Bob Baxley
Bob Baxley, a Silicon Valley pioneer, takes us back in time through the history of Silicon Valley and gives us a glimpse into the future of it. Spoiler alert: He's got concerns. He also likens our work to building sandcastles on the beach, causing us to reflect on the brevity and temporal nature of it, and inspires us to make everything we make with our friends (for others) count.
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077: Conflict Resolution for People Who Hate Conflict with Josh Mauldin
06/14/2021
077: Conflict Resolution for People Who Hate Conflict with Josh Mauldin
Josh Mauldin shows us how resolving conflict not only makes us better humans, but better designers. He challenges us to approach conflict with a growth mindset and the question, "What can I learn from this?". He articulates the difference between healthy and unhealthy conflict and teaches us why healthy conflict is good and even worth pursuing. He also reveals how embracing conflict is the catalyst for building the best teams, the best products, and the best you.
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076: User Research? Game On with Steve Bromley
03/19/2021
076: User Research? Game On with Steve Bromley
Steve Bromley shows us how to level up our user research skills. He illuminates the path to getting started as a Games User Researcher. He inspires us to use our user research superpower and insights to make things better for our users. He teaches us techniques he's used to actually enjoy synthesizing data more. He reveals how many user's is enough–spoiler alert...it depends.
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075: You Belong Here with Jessica Gaddis
02/15/2021
075: You Belong Here with Jessica Gaddis
Jessica Gaddis motivates us to realize that we belong here. Not only in the field of design, but in this often painful and perplexing world we call home. Why? Because somewhere, sometime, somehow...someone needs us. She touches on the unwelcome voice in many of our heads known as imposter syndrome and how she’s been able to successfully combat it. She shares with us how advocating for black women in design as a mentor has been one of the most rewarding and impactful design decisions she’s ever made.
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074: Designers, Mind Your Business with Pek Pongpaet
10/19/2020
074: Designers, Mind Your Business with Pek Pongpaet
Pek Pongpaet teaches us how to be business-minded designers. He reveals how designers with business knowledge and more tools in their tool belt will get hired more often than ones without and with less...
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073: The Unstoppable Designer with Jeff Gothelf
09/28/2020
073: The Unstoppable Designer with Jeff Gothelf
Jeff Gothelf tells us how to be unstoppable designers. He debunks the mythical creature known as Phase 2. He shows us what a designer effectively working in Agile looks like, and enlightens us to how new UX teams can show immediate value. He articulates the need to differentiate between outputs and outcomes. He also motivates us to stay humble and curious since you can teach anyone technical skills, but you can’t teach someone humility and curiosity.
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072: Everyone's a UX Designer with Jared Spool
09/07/2020
072: Everyone's a UX Designer with Jared Spool
Jared Spool has been doing and defining UX long before many of us existed and/or even knew what it was. He invites us in to hear his fascinating yet seldom discussed UX origin story. He reveals how and why we’re all UX designers. He demystifies the arduous and often frustrating process of landing a job in UX. He articulates what it means to learn how to learn.
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What the Next Season is Looking Like...
06/21/2020
What the Next Season is Looking Like...
This episode is me apologizing for the literal radio silence and filling you in on all the very valid reasons why I've been MIA with new content here in this feed. I miss you, and I miss putting content out regularly, but there have been (and continue to be) some significant transitions in my own world, not to mention the world at large that have impacted me and this show... TRANSCRIPT Greetings. User Defenders. Remember me? Your faithful host. Well, maybe I haven't been so faithful lately. I have taken a, quite a bit of a hiatus as. I have a feeling you may have noticed. I think the last episode that I released in season was in November with Shaheena. I think that was episode 70 and. Then I released a very special recording live from an event apart Denver in January of 2020. That's when we were all innocent. Do you remember? We were all innocent and we hadn't experienced COVID and, the racial injustice so clearly seen, this year. not that it's new, but it's just been very, very exposed this year. so. All that to say 20, is it safe to say 2020 has kind of sucked so far? I'm usually a really optimistic guy and I. I'm always excited about the new years. I'm always excited about the fresh starts and, and normally they, they shape up pretty good, but this one is really just bit the big one I'm telling you, all that to say, again, I'm still very hopeful. I'm very optimistic. I know things can get better and will get better. I hope, at least, I know that. We've learned a lot, right through the COVID stuff. We've learned a lot. How to, I hate to say wash our hands. I think we all knew how to do that. Maybe we're a little more diligent than we were before. And then these masks seem like they're going to become a mainstay for quite a while for the foreseeable future. all that to say, okay. I, I just wanted to come back on here and explain what's been going on with the show what's been going on with me. Why there hasn't been a new episode in really six months. And, there's a really good reason, not just. Everything. I just explained that's happened this year. That's that's probably, that could be reason enough, I suppose, but I've gone through some significant transitions, myself. this year and actually that it all began actually last year, right around when I did release the last episode with Shaheena in November, I did receive my, my job loss notice, after six and a half years of service, I was being laid off at the company I'd been at. And you know, of course it sucks to be. Laid off right before the holidays. That wasn't fun at all, but the, my company was very gracious. I will give them a lot of credit for giving me plenty of notice. I, my layoff date was January 3rd of 2020. So they gave me nearly two months notice. And, and so they were extremely gracious through, through that whole process. but you know, the, the, the job seeking. The defenders, those of you who are looking or have been looking, especially after COVID I know a lot of you have been affected by unemployment. The numbers don't lie. Right. And I've heard your voices on Twitter and. And, through email and through my DMS and everything and through the community, of course, as well. I know how hard this can be firsthand. I have. I felt your pain. I felt your, just what it's like before COVID I felt how hard it was to find a job harder than I thought it would be. I mean, it's been about 10 years, honestly, since I've had to pound the pavement, because my transition for the six and a half year job before that was fairly quick. So. I've learned a lot and I definitely want to be sharing. I will be sharing with you in the near future. I hope, about what I've learned about job seeking and, in UX. And so be on the lookout for that. my empathy abounds for you defenders, if you're in that situation, Let me just continue my story. I, I was able to find a job fairly, I guess, fairly quickly after my, after my actual release date of January 3rd, I was able to interview with a wonderful organization and I want to thank Doug Collins. Many of you probably have heard of him. I've seen him on Twitter. He's definitely one of our big influencers in UX and I got to know him a little bit through the show and through Twitter. And, he was really instrumental , and notifying me of this opportunity and, in Denver, and I was able to get on board this organization and just super, super challenged. I'm going to read an article in a minute, just really explaining a little more about that, but yeah. That I wrote recently, but I realized that not all of you have read my article, actually, probably very few of you have. So, I feel like it occurred to me. This is the way to communicate with you is through the podcast. Many of you, I should say, this is the primary way because many of you are simply subscribed to the podcast and wait for episodes to come out. And I am grateful for that. I'm grateful for your subscribing and keeping. Keeping alert. And I apologize again for the super long delay and, kind of updating you on what's been going on and why there , haven't been very many episodes, at all in don't while. So, rambling on here. I just wanted to, tell you that, I did land a job that is still, I, I may be transitioning again. I'm not quite sure yet. I did get, another. Notice date due to COVID we were impacted, we thought we were gonna make it, but we were impacted. So I do have a, a, a pending layoff date in mid July. If, if, the another contract doesn't open up for us, which we're trying to pivot to. But all of that to say, I'm going to share an article with you. If you're still with me. Thank you for sticking around. I wrote an article that. It really explains everything. That's, that's kind of taking place here. apart from the recent news, I just shared about, another possible, pounding of pavement for me. So here goes, when I started user defenders podcast in 2015, everything I was learning about being a new podcaster told me that I needed to add a minimum show up every week with new content. I was hearing things like, "If you're not consistent, you're non-existent", so being a naive new podcaster and content creator, I thought I could and must follow this protocol for my audience, you to notice and catch on to what I was trying to do with the show. So that's what I did for at least the first six months or so until I realized firsthand just how much work goes into releasing even one episode and y'all know my episodes. I've got a special artwork that I do for, I try to do for most of the guests and. There's transcripts now and there's show notes and timestamps. And, not to not to mention the editing process is very grueling cause I'm, I'm kind of a perfectionist. I really do take a lot of pride in the quality and in the output. I've done the editing for the last probably 10 episodes or so. And, it's hard, but it's, it's, it's my baby, you know, so , I've definitely, gone above and beyond there, and that takes a long time. So all that to say, I went off on a tangent there briefly. I'm going to get back to the article, but just to explain kind of how much work goes into even releasing one episode. I then changed the frequency of the show to biweekly with no breaks. And then as that became difficult to sustain, I added seasons with up to 12 episodes. And then I brought the number down to eight episodes per season, because like I said before, if it's, if eight is good enough for master of puppets, that's good enough for me. You see, it's not just about me anymore. In fact, it hasn't been since I stood before God and a group of witnesses at the alter in 1999 with my beloved. And I said, I do until the Lord, we do see. So 20 years later, I'm happy to report that I'm still joyfully married. Sometimes it's not, if I'm being real, all right, marriage is hard, but it's worth it when you find the right one. So. our family has quadrupled in size. we have six children in practically, every stage of child development from 18, all the way to three and everything in between. My wife has commented on several occasions that I always tend to start a new venture. Every time we have a new baby notably and she's right. I have. Notably. It was my MySpace famous band, Ralph Hinkley Syndrome in 2009, after our son, Ben was born he's 11 now. And it was User Defenders after our daughter, Emery was born. She's six now, needless to say every single one of my ventures has been a juggling act of family and faith as is to be expected. I'm proud to say that UD has been and still is a labor of love as I've dedicated countless thousands of hours and dollars to get it off the ground , and growing by releasing powerful and inspiring content on a consistent basis for nearly five years now. Up until recently has we know I've hit some recent bumps in life, transitions all eventually good things that have caused me to reflect on the driving force behind every venture I've undertaken until now. And it continues to be...it' s excellence. Just before the holidays, late last year, as I mentioned earlier, after six and a half years of service, my company gave me a layoff notice. Reality check. All of a sudden I'm remembering after not having to pound the pavement for nearly 10 years, how hard it can be to land a job in UX. And like I said before, my empathy now abounds fellow Defenders. After a few emotionally, mentally, physically, and spiritually draining months of trying to sell myself and convince companies of how awesome I am... I hate that. I was able to get back on my feet again at a wonderful organization that believes in the superpower of UX. So much so that they created a brand new team of specialists with a great leader who has some very lofty goals, especially in the next six months to get our UX practice off the ground. I already know this is going to be the most challenging and rewarding role of my entire career. In fact, I'm convinced. I'm going to grow more in my UX career this year than I have the previous six and a half. And because I believe Oprah, when she says you can have anything in life you want, you just can't have everything you want in order to stay married, focused, and effective at my new job, I'm going to slow down production and future episode releases of User Defenders. And you know that I have, I actually wrote this in March 22nd. Defenders, just for context there. And I know, again, like I said, has been painfully clear that that I have slowed down. and I apologize again, for not being at least a little more communicative about what's been going on. because I love and believe in this show. And especially you so much, I wouldn't do this unless I felt it absolutely necessary for proper balance order and sustainability. I also want to make sure that it's clear that User Defenders is not ceasing, just creating some much needed space and balance. I will still be releasing new episodes. And thankfully my manager has been pretty cool about me doing that on my breaks. I'm just on my own time. So it'll just be when I can, rather than because I can and must. And, in fact, I do have two awesome episodes coming out soon. One with Jared Spool and one with Jeff Gothelf those guys, neither of those guys probably need an introduction. Those are coming up in the near future. I'm actually, I am looking for sponsors for those. So if you or someone, you know, is looking to get their UX related product service or event in front of amazing, amazing listeners, please reach out to me. You can do that. That sponsorship [a t] userdefenders. [co m]. so if my superpower of empathy is still finally dialed in, and if you've made it this far, I can sense your disappointment and feel your pain. I also know that you were very self aware and empathic and believe you also have empathy for where I'm at in this season of life and career. In between episode releases, I'll still be active and user defenders community with the amazingly smart, inspiring, and empathic defenders there of which you are most certainly invited to be counted among us. If you go to community.userdefenders.com, you can get in there and check it out. I do have that episode coming out pretty soon. I've got to record at first, but about, sharing with you what I've learned while trying to land a job in UX. I know you'll find value in it now or in the future. If you ever get your layoff notice or throw cold water in your manager's face, but you'd never do that. Right? Right. So all that to say, I need to slow down for now. Things could certainly change again in the future, as we know, and as I did mention. They may be, come in mid July. We'll see. but I want to close this out by offering a sincere, heartfelt thanks for being on this journey with me. I always say this and I always mean this. You are why I do this. I feel really proud of the fact that after nearly five years of podcasting, which the introvert in me still can't believe I do, I've never paid for one ad to promote this show. All growth has been entirely organic. I'm a firm believer in the paraphrased words of my virtual mentor, Seth Godin. When he says, if you want to be remarkable, you don't have to spam and annoy folks simply make something worth remarking about. Excellence and high quality has always been the benchmark for everything I do on this show. And it always will be, you are also a huge part of the growth of this show by in fact remarking about it. Thank you sincerely for talking about it to your designer, friends sharing episodes on Twitter and other social channels and mentioning User Defenders. Even though the episode releases will slow down during this next season of life, I'll still be active on the User Defenders: Community, Twitter. @UserDefenders, and honestly, not as much on the email list, but I'm hoping to work on that. You know, I really am because I know how valuable that communication can be as well. And I appreciate those of you who have trusted me with your email address. and by the Hammer of Grabthar, I will never sell you out ever. I never have. I never will. So if you want to get on the email list, you can do that at userdefenders.com/join. Reach out to me anytime. I always love engaging with you and encouraging you on your important design journey. And last, but definitely not least fight on my friend, Jason, your host and friend. That's the article I wrote again in March, really when all of this poop was hitting the fan with COVID and everything. So I felt like I, I don't normally do that. I, I don't normally read my articles that I've written word for word. maybe I should, because again, I realized that there's only a small handful of you who actually do read the articles and even know that they're out there in the world. So I may do that more often as another way, even to just stay connected with you and to kind of keep you updated here on this channel. This is really the main channel. You know, I've been doing a lot of things offline. And when I say offline, I mean, away from the podcast feed, I've been doing a lot of live events at the User Defenders: Community, which have been wonderful and valuable. But I realize it's, you know, you really it's the 80/20 rule, right. it occurred to me and it kind of slapped me in the face. Like 20% of the effort should produce 80% of the result, in, in an ideal world. And what that really means is like, find what your core aspect is your core element of your business, your job, your whatever it is you're doing that you're really good at find that 20% that produces 80% of the results. And I realize it's really this feed that I have sadly and apologetically ignored for nearly six months now. And so, I am going to do a better job of trying to put stuff out there in the world, even if it's just, again, like, even if it's reading an article or even if it's just saying, Hey, what's up Defenders...see you later. Hey, Big Gulps. Alright, see you later. Anyway, so I'm going to do that and stay tuned. Please stay tuned. subscribe, even if, even though I know that there hasn't been new new episodes, please subscribe userdefenders.com/subscribe. And I will do my best to continue to trickle out content in the midst of everything that I just shared with you that's going on in my world. And, Again, got some cool episodes coming up with Jared spool and Jeff Gothelf and, I'll, I'll be continuing to do interviews very slowly though. I've been very selective about those because of everything going on. And then again, because of all the work that goes into releasing even one episode,but there will be more content, even that a monologue coming out on the job search, be on the lookout for that. I have learned a lot, I'm not an expert. I don't know if anybody is, and I don't know if anybody would want to be an expert in job seeking. it shows, it kind of says that you can't stay somewhere for very long. And that is a red flag for a lot of employers. So of course we don't want to be experts at it, but we do have to know how to approach this. So. Anyway, yeah. Again, if you know anybody that's you yourself, or if you know anyone that may be interested in sponsoring those episodes, I've got an exclusive sponsor package that I'm working on. That's a month long where I go all in for you and your organization or your event or whatever it is, your service product. And I've got some cool offerings that will go with that. So feel free to reach out [email protected]. If that's you so just with all that, continue to fight on my friends continued to. Just go all in on making a difference. This is a really, really strange time to be alive in the world. I'd say even, especially in America, just with everything that's been going on, like all of the racial injustice against black people, and I just been appalled. At what I've seen. even just within the past two months, especially starting with of course George Floyd. And, I mean, and we've all been shocked. I mean, and Will Smith said it, racism hasn't gotten worse, it's just being filmed and it's gonna change and it has to change. Right. So keep fighting on, keep doing good. There's a lot of good in the world still. And I know those of you listening. You are the good that. That we need to see in the world. You are the good, you are the change. So keep fighting on in that. Keep, keep being there for one another. I hope you're well, I hope you're healthy. I hope that you're. Your family is doing well, your loved ones, your friends, again, feel free to reach out any time, if you need encouragement, or if you're, this is all mentally, very mentally taxing for all of us. It's, it's been, a big trial. So I know that all of us have been rocked by this and by this year. So, but we're going to get through this, like I always say, and it's so true. I believe it we're better together. So let's get better together. And, again, the User Defenders: Community is open where we have been able to encourage each other through this time. I'm here for you and it's, there's always a brighter day. that's the voice I heard in my head when I was going to drive off an overpass at my darkest darkest moment in my life. this was a long time ago, but I heard this voice and I know whose voice it was. I know that. That voice came from heaven. It was in my heart and my ears saying, Hey, if you do this, there's never, you can never make it right. There's always a brighter day. And I believe that I know that's true and I hope you do too. Again, I'm here for you. I love you. And I'm grateful for you and seriously, sincerely last but not least fight on my friends.
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071: User Defenders Live – A Panel on Design Accessibility, Diversity & Ethics with Mina Markham, Derek Featherstone and Farai Madzima
02/14/2020
071: User Defenders Live – A Panel on Design Accessibility, Diversity & Ethics with Mina Markham, Derek Featherstone and Farai Madzima
I had the great honor of being invited back to An Event Apart Denver (2019) to record a live podcast episode with Mina Markham, Farai Madzima, & Derek Featherstone on the important topics of Accessibility, Design Inclusion & Ethics, Hiring & Retaining Diverse Talent and Landing a Job in UX. Amazingly, we were able to cover all of this in just under an hour!
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070: Harnessing Life Experiences in Design with Shaheena Attarwala
11/25/2019
070: Harnessing Life Experiences in Design with Shaheena Attarwala
Shaheena Attarwala defends a woman’s right to design her own future, especially in the face of fierce adversity and opposition. She champions living ruthlessly amid oppressive whims and societal precepts. This episode is not just about design. So make your way or step aside. It’s time to hear her metaphoric journey, examine your own life, and bring more awareness to poverty and oppression. In other words…sh*t’s about to get real!
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069: We Are All Pioneers with Sophia Prater
11/11/2019
069: We Are All Pioneers with Sophia Prater
Sophia Prater reminds us that we're all pioneers in a field that is changing every minute. She encourages us to use forcing functions by getting the gig first, and then figuring it out. She introduces us to a design philosophy she pioneered called Object-Oriented UX which is all about taking really complex problems, and breaking them down into parts and organizing them. She also reminds us that in order to be successful in this field, we must become lifelong learners. Origin Story (4:58) Biggest Failure (10:46) Design Superpower (25:57) What is OOUX? (30:27) Design Kryptonite (38:12) UX Superhero Name (42:28) Habit of Success (46:57) Invincible Resource (51:05) Recommended Book (52:52) Best Advice (55:26) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by UC Irvine’s executive master’s program for Human-Computer Interaction and Design. As a user experience professional, UCI’s hybrid program will allow you to maintain your job while pursuing the master’s degree that will propel your career forward. Visit to learn more. This episode is also brought to you by Porkbun. Head to now and use coupon code DEFENDERS on the checkout page to get literally a free year of a .design domain name.
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068: People May be the Most Important Thing You Build as a Designer with Braden Kowitz
10/28/2019
068: People May be the Most Important Thing You Build as a Designer with Braden Kowitz
Braden Kowitz reveals how human-centered design has everything to do with the humans we design and build with every day. He advocates for a genuinely supportive environment where it’s okay to be who you are, and where you’re encouraged to speak up, and openly share how you’re truly feeling. He reminds us to acknowledge that life isn’t perfect, and neither are we…and that’s also okay. He articulates the origin story and evolution of design patterns and explains why ‘ugly’ may sometimes appear to win. He also challenges us to consider how the metrics we typically depend on, may not be telling us the complete story. Free Time (7:49) Grounding Techniques (8:36) Mindful Techniques (9:26) Origin Story (16:25) Form, Function, and Balance (19:38) Managing Design Ambiguity (26:50) Establishing Design Patterns (37:57) What Have You Been Up To? (47:05) From Designer to Co-Founder (49:09) Dealing with Tradeoffs (52:02) Creative Side Hustles (52:41) Who Is This Product For? (53:47) Design Superpower (57:00) Design Kryptonite (58:15) UX Superhero Name (59:45) Habit of Success (1:01:03) Recommended Book (1:02:59) Best Advice (1:04:13) Tips on Culture (1:05:11) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by UC Irvine’s executive master’s program for Human-Computer Interaction and Design. As a user experience professional, UCI’s hybrid program will allow you to maintain your job while pursuing the master’s degree that will propel your career forward. Visit to learn more. This episode is also brought to you by Porkbun. Head to now and use coupon code DEFENDERS on the checkout page to get literally a free year of a .design domain name.
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067: Design for How People Think with John Whalen
10/14/2019
067: Design for How People Think with John Whalen
Dr. John Whalen teaches us what it means to design for how people think. He reveals the powerful principals behind what he calls the six minds of user experience, and explains how anybody can harness them to build better products (no doctorate degree required!). He reminds us that it takes serious research to reveal the deep insights that genuinely make our products successful for the user and the business. He also encourages us to understand that no one is more qualified than anyone else in solving unique problems. Psychology and UX (5:04) Six Minds of Experience (8:48) Impact of Psychology (10:54) Acronym Cheat Sheet (16:03) Three Phone Numbers (17:08) Dark Psychology (25:21) Designing for Delight (31:24) Contextual Inquiries (42:50) Upside-Down Design (49:37) Design Superpower (56:09) Design Kryptonite (57:04) UX Superhero Name (58:43) Habit of Success (59:05) Recommended Book (1:08:02) Best Advice (1:10:38) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by UC Irvine’s executive master’s program for Human-Computer Interaction and Design. As a user experience professional, UCI’s hybrid program will allow you to maintain your job while pursuing the master’s degree that will propel your career forward. Visit to learn more. This episode is also brought to you by Porkbun. Head to now and use coupon code DEFENDERS on the checkout page to get literally a free year of a .design domain name.
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066: Is Web Design Dead? with Jeffrey Zeldman
09/30/2019
066: Is Web Design Dead? with Jeffrey Zeldman
Jeffrey Zeldman answers the provocative question, “Is Web Design Dead?”. He enlightens us to what the Web was, where it’s at now, and where it could go in the future. He touches on the many short-sighted predictions that tend to prod our delicate psyches such as automation and new technologies poised to replace Web Designers. He encourages us to ignore the rhetoric and continue to learn as tools change how Web Design is done. He also emphasizes that the Web was built on sharing, and that we must continue to share if we want to not only protect its spirit, but keep it alive and thriving. Godfather of Web Design (3:58) Is Web Design Dead? (5:58) Moving to In-House Design (12:59) Opposition (21:25) How'd It Make You Feel? (26:14) Ask Customer Service First (31:20) Small Business Owners and The Web (39:27) Early Days of The Web (41:13) Keeping the Spirit Alive (49:40) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Cesar Lemus' astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by Springboard. Start a new job as a UX Designer in just 6 months or your money back. With Springboard’s UX Design Bootcamp Course, you'll get: Unlimited 1-1 expert mentorship • Work experience on real business projects • Work with a dedicated career coach. Apply today at the special code USERDEFENDERS to receive $500 off tuition. This episode is also brought to you by Optimal Workshop. Imagine a world where the right things are in the right places. Try their tools for free today at This episode is also brought to you by Porkbun. Head to now and use coupon code DEFENDERS on the checkout page to get literally a free year of a .design domain name.
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Advertise on User Defenders (Only One Spot Left Until Spring 2020)
09/25/2019
Advertise on User Defenders (Only One Spot Left Until Spring 2020)
If you've got a UX-related product, service or event you want to get in front of the most passionate, inspired and hungry UX podcast listening audience in the known Universe, please email me asap at sponsorship (at ] userdefenders (dot] com. This will be the only opportunity to advertise on User Defenders: Podcast until Spring of 2020 (as I break long for the holidays). It's getting to be the end of the year, and you may have something you want exposure to and possibly advertising budget left that needs to get used. If either scenario is true, I’d love to get this going and partner with you and your organization. The release dates and info on the last four episodes until Spring of 2020 are: 10/14: Design for How People Think with John Whalen (O’Reilly author and PhD) 10/28: Untitled with Braden Kowitz (Sprint book/Google Ventures fame) 11/11: We are all Pioneers with Sophia Prater (Object Oriented UX fame – OOUX) 11/25: Harnessing Life Experiences in Design with Shaheena Attarwala (From the slums of Mumbai to UX Director/Humanitarian) These last four may very well be the most inspirational and talked about of the season. Hit me up ASAP (optimally before 10/4 to allow time for getting your spots solidified and into the episode launching 10/14). This will go fast, don't delay! Email me at sponsorship (at ] userdefenders (dot] com
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065: Yes, AI will Replace Designers with Jasmine Oh
09/16/2019
065: Yes, AI will Replace Designers with Jasmine Oh
Jasmine Oh informs us that AI will one day replace our current jobs as designers. She challenges us to adapt to AI since no career field is exempt from its influences. She also reminds us not to fear AI but to harness it to our advantage instead. She reveals that AI shouldn’t be judged as a gloomy UX future but as a medium that supports our most meaningful work in new roles. She also encourages us to challenge stakeholders when shallow data is used to feed requirements into a product. Working at Microsoft (4:58) AI at Work (6:17) 5-Year View of AI (8:03) Today's Work Intersects with the Future (10:16) How Recognition Works (11:58) How Long Before Jobs Are Gone (15:50) Behavior and System Designers (17:36) What Does the Future Designer Look Like? (23:34) Being Human and Empathy (29:00) Microsoft CEO (31:58) Ways to Stay Ahead (33:25) Educational Resources (36:30) Design Superpower (40:13) Design Kryptonite (40:47) Secret Identity (42:51) Double and Triple-checking the Facts (43:57) Recommended Book (46:41) Habit of Success (47:24) Best Advice (49:06) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is also brought to you by Optimal Workshop. Imagine a world where the right things are in the right places. Try their tools for free today at This episode is also brought to you by PingPong. Go to and use promo code USERDEFENDERS to get 25% off your first purchase This episode is also brought to you by Porkbun. Head to now and use coupon code DEFENDERS on the checkout page to get literally a free year of a .design domain name.
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064: How to Become Indistractable with Nir Eyal
09/10/2019
064: How to Become Indistractable with Nir Eyal
Nir Eyal teaches us how to harness the skill of the century…becoming Indistractable. He reminds us that distraction is an action that starts from within. He motivates us to take command of our personal development in a world that is frequently competing for our attention. He encourages us to recognize the external triggers that don’t serve us and how to be more mindful of those that do. He also shares what it takes to be competitive in an increasingly automated job market. Book Origin Story (3:59) Response to Hooked (7:59) Seeking Relief (15:25) My Daily Milky Way (33:06) Breaking Habits in Stuck Environments (35:31) Pharmaceutical Distractions (42:13) Where Are We Heading? (45:46) Did You Ever Find Out? (49:54) What Superpower Would You Want? (54:06) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links and transcript at Show the world you're becoming indistractable and the master of your devices. Get your RESIST Massaging the Squirrel tee now at This episode is brought to you in part by Optimal Workshop. Imagine a world where the right things are in the right places. Try their tools for free today at This episode is also brought to you by PingPong. Go to and use promo code USERDEFENDERS to get 25% off your first purchase This episode is also brought to you by Porkbun. Head to now and use coupon code DEFENDERS on the checkout page to get literally a free year of a .design domain name.
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063: Mindset & Learning How to Learn with Jessica Ivins
09/02/2019
063: Mindset & Learning How to Learn with Jessica Ivins
Jessica Ivins schools us on the critical value of a growth mindset in UX Design. She teaches us how to learn how to learn. She enlightens us as to why it’s always better to generalize before specializing. She reminds us introverts that we can only truly succeed by extroverting. She also reveals how the best tool recommendations can only come when it’s clear what one is trying to learn. Personal Passions (5:18) Origin Story (6:28) Biggest Failure (12:52) Introvert or Extrovert (17:10) Awkward Testing Story (18:30) Design Superpower (24:46) Design Kryptonite (31:14) Secret Identity (33:09) Fights for Users (34:41) Habit of Success (35:27) Best Tips (37:15) Invincible Resource (42:10) Generalize Vs Specialize (44:18) Recommended Book (47:36) Your Why (51:57) Best Advice (53:13) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by Optimal Workshop. Imagine a world where the right things are in the right places. Try their tools for free today at This episode is also brought to you by PingPong. Go to and use promo code USERDEFENDERS to get 25% off your first purchase This episode is also brought to you by Porkbun. Head to now and use coupon code DEFENDERS on the checkout page to get literally a free year of a .design domain name.
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[Encore] Feet on the Ground, Eyes on the Stars: The True Story of a Real Rocket Man with G.A. “Jim” Ogle
07/06/2019
[Encore] Feet on the Ground, Eyes on the Stars: The True Story of a Real Rocket Man with G.A. “Jim” Ogle
On the eve of the 50th Anniversary of the Apollo Moon launch/landing, I invite you to come hear my rocket scientist father (G.A. "Jim" Ogle) re-tell his experience on User Defenders: Community ( of the events that took place the day of the launch on July 16, 1969, leading into the unforgettable and awe-inspiring day of July 20, 1969 when the U.S. achieved the unimaginable feat of landing the first humans on the moon. He will also answer your questions live! Check out the show notes at which includes a compelling slideshow of my Dad from childhood (including accident photos) through to his exciting career in the space industry, Eli Jorgensen's superhero art, a timeline of my Dad's career accomplishments, and much more! Join User Defenders: Community at (Try it FREE for 7 Days)
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062: UX School of No B.S. with Joe Natoli
06/24/2019
062: UX School of No B.S. with Joe Natoli
Welcome to Joe Natoli’s UX School of No B.S. Class is now in session. Joe reveals that there’s no limit to how far any UX’er with a healthy dose of grit and resilience can go. He puts jargon in a choke-hold, then proceeds to drop-kick it in the privates! He inspires us to be like Tom Hanks in “Big”...never afraid to ask questions for the betterment of the people and project. He motivates us to apply for any job we truly want, especially when we feel unqualified for it. He also teaches us how leaving a legacy should never start with one foot in the grave, it starts right here...right now! What Do You Like to Do When You’re Not Working? (7:42) What Inspired You to Pursue a Career in This Field? (10:34) How Do You Get an Entry Level Job That Requires 3-5 Years of Experience? (34:28) What Is It About Jargon That Drives You Nuts? (47:31) One Definition of What UX Is (1:01:15) What Value Do Older UXers Bring to the Table? (1:08:16) UX Advice for Juniors in the Field (1:13:15) The One Thing You Wish You Knew When You Started (1:17:32) If You Had One Word for Folks Trying to Get into UX, What Would That Be? (1:20:16) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by Adobe, makers of XD. Try it FREE at Fight for User Defenders!
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061: Empathy as a Design Superpower with Jason Ogle
06/10/2019
061: Empathy as a Design Superpower with Jason Ogle
Jason Ogle proves that empathic design is not only possible, but essential in creating life-changing products and services. He enlightens us to our seldom talked about mirror neurons and the critical role they play in user testing. He shines a spotlight on incredibly powerful and moving examples of empathy in design. He also teaches us how empathy can not only be taught and learned, but practiced, because being great designer begins and ends with being a great human. Intro Story (00:24) What is Empathy? (5:04) Mirror Neurons (9:14) Still Face Experiment (11:17) Mirror Neurons and Movies (15:59) Inspiring Examples from IDEO (19:19) Doug Dietz's Empathy for Terminally Ill Children (23:35) Margaret Hamilton's Empathy for Apollo 11 (29:44) Can We Grow in Empathy? (34:07) Seth Godin Explaining Empathy (35:21) Put Your Oxygen Mask on First (36:10) Seth Godin on Faked Empathy (39:19) Seth Godin on Being Indispensable in an AI World (40:57) Empathy & Mindfulness (43:23) Rise to the Empathy Challenge (45:55) Those who are able, should definitely check out the video of this episode with the compelling clips inserted. The video, and detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by Adobe, makers of XD. Try it FREE at Fight for User Defenders!
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060: Improv & UX?! Yes, and...with Mike Gorgone
05/27/2019
060: Improv & UX?! Yes, and...with Mike Gorgone
Mike Gorgone unleashes his impromptu playbook to rescue us from our most unwelcome critic...ourselves. He teaches us how marrying the two seemingly disparate concepts of improv & UX, can help us break free from the crippling self-doubt that keeps us from our best collaborations. Yes, and he shows us how fun kills fear. He also reveals how even the "bad ideas" can lead us to great ones while building a fantastic UX punchline worthy of a standing ovation. What Got You into Improv? (3:47) What Was the Aha Moment That Inspired You to Combine Improv with UX? (7:43) Are You Also Presenting at These Workshops? (9:44) Are You Writing a Book on This Topic? (10:09) Workshop Topics (11:09) Where Does Improv Fit in the Design Process? (18:01) How Does the Yes And Exercise Work? (20:57) Coaching Through the Fears of Doing Improv (26:47) Feeling Safe About Ideas in the Workplace (32:36) What Can Help to Make You Better at Improv? (38:56) How Can We Use This in the Field? (42:09) Final Thoughts (51:50) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links and transcript at This episode is brought to you by Adobe, makers of XD. Try it FREE at Become a patron of User Defenders!
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059: Writing for Designers with Scott Kubie
05/13/2019
059: Writing for Designers with Scott Kubie
Scott Kubie shows us how writing is designing with words. He reminds us that someone has to be the writer, and it’s our job to know who that person is. He calls on us to take up the task of writing when nobody else can, and warns of what leaving it till the end will do. He also shares some neat tricks to spur momentum and overcome those intimidating blank pages. Why Do We Forget About Writing? (6:30) What's Wrong with Lorem Ipsum? (9:36) Present the Problem Before the Visuals (12:57) Are Designers Expected to Be Writers? (15:55) The Rough-In Process (20:08) Getting Approval Through Stakeholder Participation (24:11) Putting It All Together (30:12) IKEA Instructions with Words (37:43) Edit Yourself Later (41:49) How to Level Up (47:10) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by Adobe, makers of XD. Try it FREE at Fight for User Defenders!
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Help me keep User Defenders: Podcast on the air...
05/03/2019
Help me keep User Defenders: Podcast on the air...
Help me keep User Defenders podcast on the air...and help yourself to some amazing, exclusive perks! Creating and running a podcast like User Defenders is not only a ton of work, but also very expensive. Each episode costs $200-300 to put into the world, not to mention the recurring monthly/annual costs for software, hosting, CDN, Web dev, and more I won't bore you with. Sponsors are what have made this show possible and kept the lights on since 2015, but sponsor dollars are scarce and unreliable. I also don't want to just keep the lights on, but continue to grow the show (what got you here, won't get you there). I am envisioning some amazing things to continue happen and branch out from this purposeful, mission-minded entity. In addition to continuing to release the best UX podcast content in the Universe, organizing & running UD Community (and all the ongoing special training/events happening there), I'm currently trying to get a UD Mentors program off the ground, as well as even thinking about organizing a UD Conference one day. Making these exciting things a reality, in addition to keeping the lights on on the podcast, will only be truly possible with your consistent support. In exchange, I’ll give you some pretty marvelous/exclusive things in return such as: A personal thank you mention from me on a future episode Access to the exclusive patron-only feed Early ad-free access to future podcast episodes including an exclusive RSS feed Invite to membership at the exclusive (and thriving) UD Community Exclusive UD logo and symbol stickers mailed to you 20% off coupon code to the store for UD merch Monthly group live streams and/or one on one video chats with me After you commit to a monthly pledge, consider yourself a valued member of this exclusive club! I encourage you to check out the Patreon page. I encourage you to check out the Patreon page () where you can read the complete story of why I launched this support campaign, see a video from me, and learn more about the reward tiers you can receive, as you consider tangibly supporting this show for whatever amount you're comfortably able to contribute each month. You're why I do this, and would like to continue to... Fight on my friends! Jason Ogle Your host and friend
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058: Finding the Right Cultural Fit with Justin Dauer
04/29/2019
058: Finding the Right Cultural Fit with Justin Dauer
Justin Dauer implores us never settle in our important quest to find the right cultural fit. He reminds us that being human-centered doesn’t just affect our users, but especially the humans we interact with. He encourages us to think hard about where we choose to hang our hat, and understand what the ramifications of the wrong decision may be. He also reveals the maze of signals to watch out for in our search for the culture that will foster our creativity, and empower our passion to produce what could be our greatest work…yet. What Does It Mean to Say "The Right Cultural Fit"? (5:07) Why It's Vital to Find That Fit (7:28) What Are the Reasons You Made This Your Life Mission? (8:55) Is It a Good Plan to Apply for Jobs Everywhere? (17:13) The Best Ways to Vet a Company’s Culture (22:47) Is It Worth Jumping into an Undesirable Culture to Gain Experience? (31:57) Before Heading into an Interview (34:25) Thoughts on Interview Questions (40:32) Advice for Listeners Who Feel Stuck (44:35) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by Adobe, makers of XD. Try it FREE at
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057: Interviewing Like a Boss with Andy Vitale
04/15/2019
057: Interviewing Like a Boss with Andy Vitale
Andy Vitale teaches us all about how to interview for our next UX job like a boss. He emphasizes the importance of avoiding jargon, and at all costs the temptation to conflate confidence with arrogance. He reminds us to be prepared to get way out of our comfort zones, and even offers smart techniques on how to cope with the discomfort in those critical moments. He also points out that pay isn't everything, and that a fantastic work culture can make all the difference. The Importance of Soft Skills (4:55) Calming Your Nerves (17:08) The Importance of Body Language (22:18) What Do You Love About Interviewing? (36:15) What Do You Hate About Interviewing? (38:21) How Much Should I Be Paid? (41:13) Discussing Salary During an Interview (47:06) Favorite Last Interview Questions (51:07) Whiteboard Exercise Preparation (54:58) How to Tell If a Company Understands UX (60:29) Words of Encouragement (63:47) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by Adobe, makers of XD. Try it FREE at
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056: Building an Effective UX Portfolio with Sarah Doody
04/01/2019
056: Building an Effective UX Portfolio with Sarah Doody
Sarah Doody challenges us to think of our portfolio as one of the most important products we’ll ever create. She urges us to not only communicate our contributions, but to both show and tell the story of each project. In the end, she teaches us that using the right process is more than just about landing our next UX job–it will also make us better designers. Ideal Number of Projects (4:07) Lead with the Best Project (5:40) Alternate Portfolios (7:13) What a Recruiter Is Looking For Most (13:03) Proving Your Knowledge (15:52) What Does Storytelling Mean? (23:47) Edit Your Work (29:48) Do You Need a Website? (39:44) Build a Portfolio Quickly (49:36) The UX Academy (54:09) Best Advice (56:31) Check out the detailed show notes including mentioned links, transcript and Eli Jorgensen’s astonishing superhero artwork at This episode is brought to you by Adobe, makers of XD. Try it FREE at
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