The Work Of Wrestling
Professional wrestling is an art. The Work of Wrestling podcast is dedicated to exploring that simple truth. Produced & hosted by Tim Kail.
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Beyond Babyface And Heel
07/13/2026
Beyond Babyface And Heel
Tim Kail believes in a moral binary undergirding the fabric of the universe. What does this mean for the way we process moral dilemmas, and what can professional wrestling teach us about the world? In this wide-ranging moral conversation, Tim Kail explains why he believes the prevailing arguments for subjectivity represent a manipulative force in the culture, and that we need common, moral anchors to bind society together. He discusses how to process wrongdoers, giving people a chance to make ammends, listening to one's inner most self for guidance, and deciding whether to give artists a second chance. He also explores the real reason babyfaces get bood and heels get cheered in the modern era, and why it has nothing to do with the audience's moral desires. Get a tee-shirt at Subscribe to WOW's Substack at Thanks for listening!
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New, Free, Weekly Articles Announcement
07/10/2026
New, Free, Weekly Articles Announcement
Tim Kail has an announcement: he's going to produce new, free, weekly articles on his Substack. These articles will be about pro-wrestling, art, and writing. He also shares some thoughts on best practices with podcasting, not stretching himself too thin, and the importance of commitment and patience. Get a tee-shirt at Subscribe to WOW's Substack at Thanks for listening!
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On Sami Zayn Losing The WWE Championship to CM Punk
07/07/2026
On Sami Zayn Losing The WWE Championship to CM Punk
Work of Wrestling host Tim Kail explains the strange emotional space he's in following CM Punk's defeat of Sami Zayn for the WWE Championship. He also briefly shares his thoughts on the July 6 episode of Monday Night Raw. Get a tee-shirt at Subscribe to WOW's Substack at Thanks for listening!
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In 100 Years...
07/06/2026
In 100 Years...
What will professional wrestling be like in 100 years? That's the question at the heart of this episode where Tim explores the roles technology, social upheaval, climate change, shifts in government, and cultural consolidation all play in the production of pro-wrestling. Get a tee-shirt at Subscribe to WOW's Substack at Thanks for listening!
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We Have Something Called Professional Wrestling
07/01/2026
We Have Something Called Professional Wrestling
Work of Wrestling host Tim Kail explains how and why Sami Zayn's Championship victory has so thoroughly inspired and uplifted him. He waxes philosophic on the signficance of being alive at this particular point in history, and how it's incumbent upon us to cherish being alive here and now. Listen to . Visit Mith Gifs Substack: Visit WOW's Substack: Get a tee shirt: Thanks for listening!
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A Constructive Critic
06/30/2026
A Constructive Critic
Tim Kail watched the first and last segment of the latest episode of Raw, and he has some constructive criticisms for WWE. From attempting to book the "perfect" Oba Femi push to Seth Rollins sudden involvement in the main event title scene as we head toward Summer Slam, Tim offers a few simple thoughts on how to maximize the good and minimize the bad. Get a tee-shirt at Subscribe to WOW's Substack at
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"Forever...Sami Zayn, WWE Champion!"
06/29/2026
"Forever...Sami Zayn, WWE Champion!"
In this bonus edition of the podcast host Tim Kail talks a little bit more about what it means for Sami Zayn to have achieved his goal of becoming WWE Champion. Get a tee-shirt at Subscribe to WOW's Substack at Thanks for listening!
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Night Of Champions Review (2026)
06/29/2026
Night Of Champions Review (2026)
Tim Kail reviews WWE's latest premium live event, Night of Champions. He critiques Jey's "soft" offense, praises Iyo Sky's selling, examines how Seth Rollins and Bron Breakker over-delivered in their non-title match, skewers Michael Cole and Corey Graves' statements about Jade Cargil and Tiffany Straton, and then basks in the joy of Sami Zayn's championship victory. Subscribe to WOW's Substack at Get a tee-shirt at Thanks for listening!
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Because We Have To
06/25/2026
Because We Have To
A question has been nagging Tim Kail for several days: why do I make art? He explains why this question is not necessarily helpful to the artist. In the interest of unberdening himself he arrives at a surprisingly simple answer to the question, rooted in practicality rather than some higher purpose. Subscribe to WOW's Substack: Get a tee-shirt! Thanks for listening!
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When We Grow Up
06/22/2026
When We Grow Up
Tim Kail journeys back to his childhood when, in elementary school, he was asked to write down what he wanted to be when he grew up. Inspired by the film As Good As It Gets, he wrote down that he wanted to be a writer who lived in New York. In reflecting upon that goal, he realized how he managed to make it not far off the mark. He explores how he hasn't yet attained what he initally meant in writing that goal down, but how he's gotten "on the board" even if he didn't hit a bullseye. He then examines what he'd write down today, and why he's setting his sights high, becoming a bestselling author who no longer needs a day job by the time he's fifty. And he encourages you to do the same, no matter your age, in what is an uplifting episode. Subscribe to his Substack at . Get a tee-shirt at . Thank you for listening!
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Forty
06/19/2026
Forty
It's June 19th, 2026 and Tim Kail is now forty years old. He reflects upon this milestone, charting the decades of his life through the lens of art, friendship, pain, and love. Subscribe to Tim's Substack: Get yourself a tee-shirt: Thanks for listening!
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Sami Zayn vs Johnny Knoxville Match Commentary
06/15/2026
Sami Zayn vs Johnny Knoxville Match Commentary
It's time for another real-time match commentary! This week, host Tim Kail provides commentary to the modern classic, Sami Zayn vs Johnny Knoxville at WrestleMania 38. Tim discusses Knoxville's sincerity, Sami's focus, and the fascinating way this match exists as an advertisement for a movie and great art simultaneously. Then, in the outro, Tim examines why he belives "no one is over today", and why the common criticisms by veteran wrestlers and journalists fail to capture the reality of WWE's failing creative apparatus. Get a tee-shirt at . Subscribe to WOW's Substack at . Thank you for listening!
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Shiny Objects
06/11/2026
Shiny Objects
Tim Kail has something he needs to get off his chest when it comes to the "Fu%! ICE" chants at AEW Dynamite, more specifically how they're praised on social media. Are you registered to vote? If not go here: Check your registratoin status here: Start a subscription at your local newspaper. Support organizations like PETA, Planned Parenthood, The Trevor Project, The Innocence Project, or the NAACP LDF. Set up monthly donations to a charity that aligns with your values.
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Days Like This
06/08/2026
Days Like This
It's been a difficult week with a variety of trials and tribulations that Tim needs to get off his chest. Support The Work of Wrestling by giving it a five star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, buying a tee-shirt at , or subscribing to WOW's Substack at .
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Clash In Italy Review (2026)
06/01/2026
Clash In Italy Review (2026)
This week Tim Kail reviews WWE's latest premium live event, Clash In Italy. Tim discusses what makes Gunther such a perfect heel, why Cody Rhodes is being rejected by a contingent of the WWE fanbase, Rhea Ripley's excellent display of vulnerability, the explosiveness of Oba Femi vs Brock Lesnar, understanding what they're going for with Sol Ruca but not really feeling it, and the results of Tribal Combat (or what could have been between Jacob Fatu and Roman Reigns). The first Work Of Wrestling Newsletter is available now for paid subscribers. To sign up, visit: . If you'd like to show your support with a tee-shirt visit: Thank you for listening!
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Double Or Nothing Review (2026)
05/25/2026
Double Or Nothing Review (2026)
This week Work Of Wrestling host Tim Kail reviews AEW's latest pay-per-view, Double Or Nothing. Tim explains why he thought this was an uneven show with a couple really high highs, but a few unfortunate lows. Subscribe to The Work Of Wrestling Substack at . Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Get a tee shirt at .
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Substack Announcement
05/23/2026
Substack Announcement
Greetings, one and all. Work Of Wrestling host Tim Kail has an announcement - he's created a Work Of Wrestling Substack! Listen to him explain how he's going to create a monthly newsletter for WOW's most ardent fans. Subscribe to his Substack here:
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Macho Men
05/18/2026
Macho Men
Is it okay for men to cry? This is the question that sparked this episode of The Work Of Wrestling podcast. Tim shares some words of wisdom from The Macho Man Randy Savage before offering his own perspective on masculine crying. He explains the value of being in touch with one's emotions, really allowing one's self to feel things, and why men are so angry all the time. Show your support for The Work Of Wrestling by purchasing a new tee shirt at Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling.
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Backlash Review (2026)
05/11/2026
Backlash Review (2026)
This week Tim Kail reviews WWE's premium live event, Backlash. Topics include fleshing out the Bron Breakkker character, Trick Williams being grown in a WWE Superstar lab, Sami Zayn's complex (and grim) status in WWE, Kit Wilson as a poor substitute for Tyler Breeze, Danhausen simply not being a character that appeals to Tim's tastes, why Asuka vs Iyo Sky felt like it was missing something, John Cena announcing a new event and a new championship, and Roman Reigns and Jacob Fatu delivering a stellar main event. Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Get a tee-shirt at
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When Push Comes To Shove
05/08/2026
When Push Comes To Shove
In this special BONUS edition of The Work Of Wrestling podcast host Tim Kail explains why he has decided to purchase, watch, and review WWE's upcoming premium live event, Backlash. He goes into detail about his hypocrisy, the gradual realization of his values, and the moment of clarity he experienced when he watched Roman Reigns vs CM Punk after purchasing a $45/month bundle to ESPN, Disney, and Hulu. Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Buy a tee-shirt at
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A Full House
05/05/2026
A Full House
In this special BONUS edition of The Work Of Wrestling podcast host Tim Kail once again shares what he liked about Monday Night Raw. He examines the Jacob Fatu/Roman Reigns rivalry and why it's emotionally impactful. He discusses some of the new scenes WWE is producing like the sit down exchange between Asuka and Iyo Sky. And then he contemplates buying Backlash (seeking insight from listeners on what it might mean to do so). Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Buy tee-shirts at
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Reality's Tail
05/04/2026
Reality's Tail
This week Work Of Wrestling host Tim Kail examines the role of motivation in the artist's life. First, he argues why you should stop listening to motivational speakers, successul celebrities, and social media gurus about motivation. Next, he explains how he's baked his artistic practice into his daily life thus removing the need to stay constantly motivated. Then he argues the artist examine their relationship with competition, and find a more sustainable fuel for the creative engine. And, finally, he discusses the ultimate motivating force, how artists are like explorers attempting to better comprehend the splendor of the real world. Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Give the podcast a five star rating and review in Apple Podcasts. Music provided by Premium Beat.
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Well Done, WWE
04/28/2026
Well Done, WWE
For this special bonus episode of The Work Of Wrestling podcast Tim Kail dissects various scenes, matches, and moments from the latest Monday Night Raw that he genuinely enjoyed. Topics include Roman Reigns being a master of his character, WWE trying new things with "scenes" throughout Raw, the welcome simplicity of Jacob Fatu's motivations, why three-dimensional characters are more important than "defending champions", why WWE should present itself as a sports league where the absolute best athletes come to compete for fame and future, and the awesomeness of Oba Femi. Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Music provided by Premium Beat.
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The Innocent Wrestling Fan with Michael Cascio
04/27/2026
The Innocent Wrestling Fan with Michael Cascio
This week Work of Wrestling host, Tim Kail, is joined by longtime listener and fellow podcaster Michael Cascio. This is a great conversation between two passionate wrestling fans about an assortment of wrestling-related issues. Topics include feeling obligated to watch WWE, protecting one's fandom of wrestling, not following wrestling journalists to dismantle the joy inherent in the medium, the three kinds of wrestling fans, striving to return to innocence, WWE’s sense of entitlement and AEW's consistent striving for new fans, and the importance of having a conversation in our polarized world. Visit to listen to Mike's podcast.
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Mania
04/20/2026
Mania
Warning: This episode contains descriptions of thoughts of suicide. Why is WrestleMania the perfect name for...well...WrestleMania? Work Of Wrestling host Tim Kail answers that question as only he can, with a moving story about his second manic-depressive episode in the Fall of 2020. Tim's story reveals the unvarnished reality of clinical mania, how his enthusiasm for life felt like a psychedelic high, why he became obsessed with ancient religions, and what led to this shorter, milder experience of psychosis. If you are in need of emotional support call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. Music provided by Premium Beat.
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Sending A Message
04/19/2026
Sending A Message
For the first time in eleven years Work Of Wrestling host Tim Kail will not be watching or reviewing WrestleMania. In this special bonus edition of the podcast he explaines why, in detail. He also examines the divisive nature of WWE's business practices, how the company has transformed into a boutique tourist trap, and the destructive role social media plays in nudging us toward political and philosophical polarization. Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Music provided by Premium Beat.
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WrestleMania Preview
04/15/2026
WrestleMania Preview
Your ears do not deceive you - this is a special BONUS edition of The Work Of Wrestling podcast. In this episode host Tim Kail previews WrestleMania 42, going through every match and allowing each participant to inspire deeper thoughts. He discusses the evolution of Bayley (currently in her adolescence in Tim's head-canon), why "The Road To WrestleMania" simply doesn't matter anymore, why exactly Tim isn't going to watch WrestleMania even though he wants to, and the ways in which Cody Rhodes might improve in his performance. Support WOW by purchasing a tee-shirt at Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Music provided by Premium Beat.
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The Cosmic Collaboration
04/13/2026
The Cosmic Collaboration
This week Tim Kail announces a return of the music to the podcast! Why he's bringing it back and how he had help from a longtime listener. He's also reopened his Pro-Wrestling Tees store. Visit to shop the collection and show your support for the podcast. Tim also discusses framing the term "Sports Entertainment" as a specific genre in professional wrestling, how the idea that professional wrestling is an art has become more commonplace over the past decade, why it's important to state "pro-wrestling is an art" without ego, and how the human soul wants to express itself in myriad ways. In the body of the episode Tim reads his latest article "Here's How To Fix WWE, But Also Why They Won't Do It". Visit for Tom Dean's article on CM Punk's latest promo. Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Music provided by Preimum Beat.
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Here's How To Fix WWE, But Also Why They Won't Do It
04/07/2026
Here's How To Fix WWE, But Also Why They Won't Do It
It’s clear WWE creative is in a woeful state when Raw and SmackDown start cannibalizing their own product. Unable to generate interest through carefully considered narratives with logical emotional beats, WWE smashes the cheat code button and has Pat McAfee and CM Punk start talking about “the forgotten wrestling fan”, how much WWE sucks today, and lowering WrestleMania ticket prices. This admission sparks discussion (mostly for, ) in the pro-wrestling community, but that seems to be all it does. Did WWE suddenly move tickets because McAfee said Randy Orton would “save the fucking show”? Is anyone more emotionally invested in CM Punk and Roman Reigns’ tepid feud thanks to Punk’s ineffectual call to lower ticket prices? Doesn’t it feel a tad odd to admit your product is subpar and then expect it to magically not be? No other art or entertainment entity does this with the frequency and misguided earnestness of WWE. It’s as though the people running the company really believe that if they admit their show has been bad for twenty-five years it will suddenly be less bad. That’s like going to McDonald’s, ordering a number one, having the clerk say, “By the way, this tastes terrible”, you eating that Big Mac, nodding in agreement that it’s terrible, but then becoming happy because at least McDonald’s acknowledged how awful it was. What’s happened to telling good, straightforward wrestling stories? I can’t help but feel WWE gets too smart for its own good when it pulls this emergency lever. I’m reminded of Seth Rollins openly criticizing Raw’s ratings several years ago and then Stephanie McMahon blaming it on the general manager at the time, Baron Corbin. I believe it would be useful for WWE to know that the fan’s experience of such content is not one of enjoyment. I don’t remember thinking, “Yeah! Baron Corbin sucks! He’s the reason I hate this!” I just remember thinking, “Poor Baron Corbin”. And I wasn’t even a fan of his. These odd little admissions of guilt are nothing more than superficial, temporary “fixes” to much larger systemic issues with the company’s creative apparatus. There is rot, deep in the core of WWE’s creative system, and the only way to improve Raw, SmackDown, and WrestleMania would be to aggressively (and enthusiastically) cut out the rot. WWE is the kind of company that loves the word “streamline”. Take everything I suggest from here on out as a sincere effort to streamline WWE storytelling. What exactly does that mean? First and foremost, decide on a conceit. WWE, at present, does not have a conceit. What exactly does that mean? That means WWE does not know what WWE actually is. Is it a sport? Is it a sports entertainment? Is it putting smiles on faces? Is it putting asses in seats? Is it taking over the world? Is it a variety show? Is it art? Is it all of those things plus a few other rotting appendages sewn onto its reanimated carcass? Yes. And no. And then…maybe…also…yes again. In attempting to be so many things for so many people WWE fails to do one thing very well. Starting from a fundamental narrative foundation is the key to opening bigger, more innovative creative doors in the future. I propose that WWE, in kayfabe, decide that it is a sports league, an institution where the best professional wrestlers come to compete for championship gold, fame, and fortune. This centers WWE’s narrative universe around a simple, consumable, and relatable human concept. From this conceit all else would spring forth, informing the style of presentation, the structure of narratives, and the creation of characters. One of the primary reasons the Attitude Era was so beloved was because it had a strong conceit. The World Wrestling Federation was…a federation…where wrestlers came to do battle for two hours every week and Mr. McMahon, in all his villainy, tried to position them in a manner that would make him the most money and retain him the most amount of power. Embracing the sports league narrative conceit would also work in WWE’s kayfabe-breaking docuseries. Even when it admits professional wrestling is a work, it could still be the place where the absolute best professional wrestlers come to compete. In WWE’s fictional universe today, what is the WWE? Why is it the place so many wrestlers want to be? Give answers to those questions and allow those answers to inform narrative. As is, WWE, especially to the shrewd wrestling fan, doesn’t appear to be an ideal place to work. We know that wrestlers have less creative freedom there and that they are punished if they rub anyone the wrong way or happen to “get over” (become popular) “organically”. What if, instead of a beauty contest founded on backstage politicking, WWE was a sports organization where only the best came to play? Is that not an appealing concept? Making this their ethos would free up a lot of creative entanglements and allow WWE to reorient focus on what the company can produce very well. What’s something WWE can do very well starting tomorrow? Wrestling matches. Yes, you might think it’s a tad obvious to suggest wrestling matches be a significant fix to a wrestling show’s problems, but I promise you this pivot in perspective can have far reaching creative consequences. As is, WWE doesn’t seem to value professional wrestling matches as a viable creative engine. They are secondary to a lot of fluff - twenty minute promos, backstage segments, and matches without definitive conclusions. Please do not mistake my advocacy for wrestling matches being the primary narrative engine for a wrestling show as, “we need twenty-minute, work-rate, five-star classics every week”. Good matches can happen in three minutes. What I’m arguing for is a wrestling show where what happens before, during, and after a match informs the trajectory of characters, colors in the canvas of their story, and propels them into ongoing conflicts with other wrestlers. Consider the glory days of NXT, 2014-2016, also under Levesque's guidance. The structures and stories were simple and action-based. Wrestlers went out, they wrestled, and what happened in the matches had a profound impact on their lives. If they lost, we felt their pain. If they won, we felt their joy. Matches centered around issues like jealousy, respect, hatred, love, and fear. Getting back to these basic human qualities and seeing what happens when we set loose gravity-defying human bodies is the stuff of Shakespeare. Does El Grande Americano achieve anything? Why am I still watching that character every week? Is someone actively trying to punish me for watching WWE? Because that’s how it feels. Letting go of the behind the scenes politics and the frustration with “smart” wrestling fans and focusing back on the simple joy of wrestling matches would go a long way in righting some of the aforementioned institutional wrongs. Perhaps even more important than quality professional wrestling matches is quality promos. This is how many characters are able to articulate their worldviews and establish an emotional connection with the audience. Scripts are no substitute for the ingenuity of a wrestler who has thousands of reps on the microphone. Rather than training its wrestlers to memorize dialogue, why not train them to cut bullet point promos? I’m not arguing these wrestlers should be the next CM Punk or Paul Heyman. We don’t even need that. We need wrestlers who speak from the heart in straightforward, easily digestible soundbites. What has happened to this style of promo? Where has it gone and why is WWE, with its myriad resources, not training its superstars to be good at it? I contend that a return of short, behind-the-scenes, bullet-point promos will be a boon to the business. Consider all the promos that resulted in soul-catching catchphrases over the years, catchphrases turned into million-dollar tee-shirts. Such phraseology simply doesn’t work when it’s grown in a lab. It has to be spoken through strings of saliva, sweat, and blood. That’s a good promo. Let’s end with something simple: the fact that Raw and SmackDown are a very non-user-friendly three hours long. In the fourteen years I’ve been analyzing wrestling never once have I ever heard a human being say, “I like the fact that Raw is three hours”. Even Paul Levesque in his 2015 interview with Steve Austin on the WWE Network admitted it was difficult to produce that third hour. No one likes it. Don’t worry, I’m not so naive as to argue the company should simply do away with that third hour. I understand doing so would leave a lot of advertising revenue on the table. But it remains a joyless slog, especially for what is supposed to be the Disney version of professional wrestling. WWE wants to appeal to a casual, general audience. To do so it would have to produce a casual, generally enjoyable product. So what do I suggest? Make that third hour a pre-show or a post-show. WWE could even break the hour in half so there’s a half-hour pre-show and a half-hour post-show. There’d be analysis and interviews on these shows, and they would help build and process everything that happens in-between. This would make Raw and SmackDown more digestible. This would also tap the talents of WWE’s “broadcast team”, giving them moments to really shine. But this is just one suggestion that didn’t take much brain power to generate. The main point I’m trying to make is that the impetus for this idea is to make these shows easier to consume, friendlier, and more inviting to the would-be viewer. Perhaps there’s some reason beyond my grasp that a pre-show wouldn’t work. Okay. Spotlight a specific division in the first hour. Make the first hour a series of exciting vignettes. Anything other than twenty-minute promos and impromptu main events booked on-screen. I’ll leave the rest up to WWE. As I write this closing paragraph I’m filled with a sense of disillusionment because I’m certain they will not change. I don’t think WWE has the stomach for it. I don’t think they want to take a hard look in the mirror and figure out the real reasons ticket sales and ratings are down. It would require a lot of sustained, internal effort to fix WWE and make its products genuinely enjoyable again. I fear it has too much momentum (and money) to be reflective. And that’s a sad thing for professional wrestling, which, as we know, is a beautiful art always ready to be reinvented. Subscribe to Follow Tim on social media
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A CM Punk Pipe Bomb?
04/07/2026
A CM Punk Pipe Bomb?
For this special bonus episode of The Work Of Wrestling podcast host Tim Kail examines CM Punk's promo from the April 6th, 2026 episode of Monday Night Raw. Is it a true "pipe bomb"? Did CM Punk "torch" TKO, The Rock, Roman Reigns, and Pat McAfee? Or is he merely a cog in a corporate machine, his subversion nothing more than the appearance of being anti-establishment? Tim asks and answers these questions! Follow on social media @WorkOfWrestling. Give the podcast a five star rating and review in Apple Podcasts. Thanks for listening!
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