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How Plants Absorb Living Microbes and Convert Soil Pathogens into Beneficials with James White

Regenerative Agriculture Podcast

Release Date: 01/15/2020

Episode 165: Epigenetic Seed Adaptation and No-Till Success with Brad McIntyre show art Episode 165: Epigenetic Seed Adaptation and No-Till Success with Brad McIntyre

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Brad McIntyre, a fourth-generation farmer in Caldwell, Idaho, has transformed his family’s operation along the Snake River Basin, scaling back from 3,000 to 1,000 acres due to urbanization and rising costs. Inspired by no-till pioneers, he now manages a diverse farm with seed production, grass-finished beef, pastured pork, poultry, and eggs; all non-GMO. Brad advances regenerative agriculture through no-till farming, diverse rotations, and cover crops, maintaining yields while cutting inputs. He produces locally adapted, high-quality seeds with strong germination for companies like Green...

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Episode 164: Navigating Economic Pressures in Tree Fruit with Sam Godwin show art Episode 164: Navigating Economic Pressures in Tree Fruit with Sam Godwin

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Sam Godwin is a second-generation farmer operating a 300-acre organic orchard in north central Washington, primarily growing apples, pears, and cherries. His farm, which is small by industry standards, faces economic pressures in a market dominated by larger operations, and so has adopted organic practices since the early 2000s to differentiate and add value. Sam is in his second year of integrating practices to enhance soil health and reduce input costs, guided by consultants from Advancing Eco Agriculture. By using sap analysis and tools like compost, clover, and fish products, he has seen...

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Episode 163: How Your Dinner Bill Could Help Fund Regenerative Agriculture with Anthony Myint show art Episode 163: How Your Dinner Bill Could Help Fund Regenerative Agriculture with Anthony Myint

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Anthony Myint is the founder of Zero Foodprint, a nonprofit focused on transforming agriculture through innovative economic models. A former chef and restaurateur, Myint transitioned from the restaurant industry to champion regenerative agriculture and address the climate impact of food systems. His organization helps farmers transition to regenerative practices by funding farm projects that enhance soil health, conserve water, and sequester carbon. Zero Foodprint is funded by businesses that contribute small percentages of their revenue, often through opt-out fees. Zero Foodprint's approach...

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Episode 162: Increasing Pecan Yields up to 6x While Eliminating Herbicides with Troy Swift show art Episode 162: Increasing Pecan Yields up to 6x While Eliminating Herbicides with Troy Swift

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Troy Swift started farming at age 42, and has achieved incredible results using regenerative practices in his Texas pecan grove: increasing yields in certain varieties by up to 6X, while cutting nitrogen inputs by 97%, reducing insecticides, and eliminating herbicides.  Troy is a first-generation farmer from Central Texas who transitioned to pecan farming after a career in the composite jet engine industry. With a data-driven mindset from his manufacturing background, he now manages 126 acres of hybrid and native pecans along the San Marcos River and serves as president of the Texas Pecan...

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Episode 161: Increasing Corn Yields with Fewer Inputs with Jake Ewing show art Episode 161: Increasing Corn Yields with Fewer Inputs with Jake Ewing

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Jake Ewing farms 1,300 acres of corn in Western Illinois, a relatively small operation compared to neighboring farms. Jake’s farm has been shaped by the need to compete in a region dominated by large-scale commodity crop production, forcing him to rethink traditional approaches to corn farming, and developing a focus on innovative, cost-effective practices.  Jake’s journey toward regenerative agriculture began with the purchase of a high-clearance sprayer, initially intended for conventional applications. This led to experiments with foliar fertilizers and reductions in herbicides and...

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Episode 160: Creating Disease-Resistant Vines without Fungicides with Steven Thompson show art Episode 160: Creating Disease-Resistant Vines without Fungicides with Steven Thompson

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Steven Thompson is the co-founder of Analemma Wines in Mosier, Oregon, where he and his team have transformed a conventional cherry orchard into a vibrant, biodynamic vineyard. With a background in wine and viticulture, Steven focuses on creating a farm that reflects beauty, biodiversity, and intentional design. Through regenerative practices, Steven has eliminated synthetic inputs, transitioned to dry farming, and built soil health using sap analysis, foliar nutrition, and microbial inoculants. His approach has improved vine vigor, reduced pest pressure, and enabled clean native yeast...

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Podcast Short: FieldLark AI Brings AEA’s Expertise to Every Grower show art Podcast Short: FieldLark AI Brings AEA’s Expertise to Every Grower

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In this Podcast Short, John Kempf announces the launch of FieldLark, an AI agronomist chatbot designed to democratize regenerative agriculture knowledge, which provides first-principles, thinking-based recommendations on how to solve agronomic challenges. FieldLark empowers farmers with accessible, expert-level insights to optimize crop and soil health. In this episode, John covers: FieldLark’s public launch as a specialized AI trained on agronomic and adjacent discipline data. The complexity of regenerative agronomy, emphasizing biology alongside chemistry. The integration of soil, sap,...

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Podcast Extra: Rooted in Organic Podcast - What AI in Ag Can Look Like with John Kempf show art Podcast Extra: Rooted in Organic Podcast - What AI in Ag Can Look Like with John Kempf

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In this Podcast Extra, John Kempf joins the Rooted in Organic Podcast to discuss AI and agriculture.  The Rooted in Organic Podcast is dedicated to promoting organic living and sustainable agriculture. Through their podcast, they discuss time-honored techniques, like Amish farming, and explore modern solutions, like regenerative agriculture. With each conversation, they aim to empower their audience to take action toward a more eco-friendly and healthier food system. In this episode of the Rooted in Organic Podcast, they discuss the development of a AEA's new AI tool called FieldLark....

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Episode 159: Preserving Family Farms Through Effective Communication with Vance Crowe show art Episode 159: Preserving Family Farms Through Effective Communication with Vance Crowe

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Vance Crowe believes that the key to preserving multi-generational farms is for farmers to communicate better, especially within their own families. As founder of Legacy Interviews, podcast host, and keynote speaker, Vance knows a thing or two about communication.  Vance developed strong communication skills early on, shaped by a competitive family environment on an Illinois farm. Vance has worked as a deckhand, in the Peace Corps in Africa, and for five years as Monsanto’s Director of Millennial Engagement. He now runs Legacy Interviews, which preserves family histories, and is...

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Episode 158: Reducing Weeds and Pests with Regenerative Mulching Systems with Erwin Westers show art Episode 158: Reducing Weeds and Pests with Regenerative Mulching Systems with Erwin Westers

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Erwin Westers runs a biodynamic seed farm in the northern Netherlands, producing high-quality seeds for potatoes, radish, and wildflowers. His operation uses innovative mulching and cover cropping to enhance soil health. Westers pioneers regenerative agriculture with techniques like Flechenratte surface decomposition, reducing pests and weeds and improving soil structure. He leads the Dutch Regenerative Alliance to share scalable practices with farmers. In this episode, Erwin and John discuss: Using Flächenrotte to incorporate cover crops shallowly, boosting microbial activity and soil...

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In this episode of the Regenerative Agriculture Podcast, John Kempf interviews plant pathologist Dr. James White of Rutgers University, whose work provides a new perspective on plant pathology, susceptibility to soil-borne pathogens, and plant absorption of nutrients. Dr. White explains how endophytes, non-pathogenic fungal and bacterial organisms present in all plants, are a mechanism by which plants can absorb complete molecules, internalize and propagate soil-borne microbes, and nullify pathogenic organisms. 

In the interview, Dr. White describes how plants cultivate microbes at the meristem, or root tip, where exudates are created. In this zone, these endophytes further attract and cultivate microbes from the soil in the rhizophagy cycle, from rhizo- meaning ‘root’ and -phagy meaning ‘eating’. Through this process, plants attract and internalize soil-borne microbes. The microbes are then internalized by the plant and deliver nutrients from the soil directly to the roots.

Dr. White relates how this endophytic process encourages oxidative interaction, fostering hardier, more stress-tolerant plants, and how nitrogen applications and fertilizer decrease the incidence of these endophytes, leading to disease-susceptible crops. In cotton culture, for example, the practice of seed de-linting prior to planting effectively destroys the endophytes present on the seed. 

Besides stimulating growth and stress tolerance within the seedling by bringing nutrients from the soil, endophytes also colonize pathogenic fungi, resulting in their reduced virulence. The endophytes don’t kill the fungi, but rather they colonize and weaken it so disease incidence is greatly reduced. In some cases, those pathogenic fungi will actually become endophytic fungi in the plant, as in the example of Fusarium oxysporum. Once Fusarium oxysporum is colonized by the endophytic bacteria, it grows more slowly and onto the plant leaf surface. However, as long as the endophytic bacteria are also present, the Fusarium organism doesn’t cause disease. 

Dr. White describes how researchers are just beginning to understand the significance of endophytic functions and the rhizophagy cycle. In the future, we are enabled to be more cognizant of what we're doing to the soil and plant microbiome in the process of cultivating plants. 

In this absorbing conversation, John and James cover the science behind:

  • How plants absorb living microbes
  • How endophytic microbes change potential pathogens’ behavior to provide plant nutrients rather than cause disease  
  • How plants propagate soil derived-microbes 
  • Why cultivated varieties are more disease-susceptible than wild varieties and how this can be reversed
  • How plant breeding processes can contribute to the loss of beneficial microbes on the seed coat
  • More details that will change the way you think about seeds, planting, disease, and nutrition

Resources:
Research Paper: Rhizophagy Cycle: An Oxidative Process in Plants for Nutrient Extraction from Symbiotic Microbes
Research Article: Pest Management Science: Review: Endophytic microbes and their potential applications in crop management

 

Learn more about the rhizophagy cycle in a new 6-hour course from James White at https://www.academy.regen.ag/understanding-rhizophagy/

 

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