Leading with Compassion and Purpose: A Conversation with Dr. Leslie Torres-Rodriguez
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
Release Date: 08/20/2024
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
Are we settling for "belonging" in our schools while leaving student brainpower underdeveloped? I recently had a deep, transformative conversation with , author of . We moved past the surface-level "equity talk" to discuss what it really takes to move a student from a dependent learner to a cognitively independent one. Zaretta’s insights on cognitive justice and intelligent failure are essential. Here are 3 themes from our talk that will matter to leaders: Cognitive Justice is the True Moral Imperative: Equity isn't just about celebrating flags or hosting potlucks....
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Are we settling for "belonging" in our schools while leaving student brainpower underdeveloped? I recently had a deep, transformative conversation with , author of . We moved past the surface-level "equity talk" to discuss what it really takes to move a student from a dependent learner to a cognitively independent one. Zaretta’s insights on cognitive justice and intelligent failure are essential. Here are 3 themes from our talk that will matter to leaders: Cognitive Justice is the True Moral Imperative: Equity isn't just about celebrating flags or hosting potlucks. Zaretta challenges us to...
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What does it actually mean to be a "resilient" leader? Is it just about weathering the storm, or is it about what you build while the storm is still raging? I recently had a conversation with , Executive Director of the National Rural Education Association and author of . Melissa has spent over 30 years as a teacher, principal, and superintendent, and she deeply understands the unique, multiplex relationships that define rural education. Whether you lead a small rural district or a large urban system, Melissa’s insights on leading through loss and building authentic credibility are...
info_outlineAn Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
What does it actually mean to be a resilient leader? Is it just about weathering the storm, or is it about what you build while the storm is still raging? I recently had a conversation with , Executive Director of the National Rural Education Association and author of . Melissa has spent over 30 years as a teacher, principal, and superintendent, and she deeply understands the unique, multiplex relationships that define rural education. Whether you lead a small rural district or a large urban system, Melissa’s insights on leading through loss and building authentic credibility are universal....
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What does it mean to be a nationally recognized rural leader while navigating the messy, imperfect realities of the superintendency? In the latest episode of An Imperfect Leader, I sit down with , Superintendent of Umatilla School District, to discuss how she has led her district for 19 years through innovation and intense challenge. Here are a few topics from our conversation that every education leader should hear: Empowering Teacher Agency with Structured Systems: Heidi shares how her district uses a color-coded intervention system (Green, Orange, Red) that authorizes teachers to...
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What does it mean to be a nationally recognized rural leader while navigating the messy, imperfect realities of the superintendency? In the latest episode of An Imperfect Leader, I sit down with , Superintendent of Umatilla School District, to discuss how she has led her district for 19 years through innovation and intense challenge. Here are a few topics from our conversation that every education leader should hear: Empowering Teacher Agency with Structured Systems: Heidi shares how her district uses a color-coded intervention system (Green, Orange, Red) that authorizes teachers to make...
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How do you keep a school transformation alive for 25 years when most initiatives fizzle out after three? Jamie Almanzán recently sat down with , Assistant Principal at Hillsdale High School, to talk about the staying power of and what it truly means to lead with humility. Hillsdale is a "living artifact" of what happens when a school commits to a collective vision rather than a collection of individual classrooms. Whether you are a superintendent or a site leader, Jesse’s insights on coherence are a game-changer. Here are some themes from his conversation that you won’t want to miss: ...
info_outlineAn Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
How do you keep a school transformation alive for 25 years when most initiatives fizzle out after three? Jamie Almanzán recently sat down with , Assistant Principal at Hillsdale High School, to talk about the staying power of and what it truly means to lead with humility. Hillsdale is a "living artifact" of what happens when a school commits to a collective vision rather than a collection of individual classrooms. Whether you are a superintendent or a site leader, Jesse’s insights on coherence are a game-changer. Here are some themes from his conversation that you won’t want to miss: ...
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Is your school board focused on the right things, or is it caught in a "dumpster fire" of adult drama? I recently had an terrific conversation with , author of , about how to move from dysfunctional governance to a system that actually serves children. AJ has seen it all. From serving as a parent leader to becoming a state agency leader and a national governance director, we dove deep into why school boards often fail and, more importantly, how they can become effective. Here are some themes from our conversation: Student Outcomes vs. Adult Inputs: One of the biggest mistakes boards make is...
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Are you leading in isolation? Education leadership can often feel like a lonely journey - navigating everything from systemic challenges to the day-to-day realities of school life. In this episode of An Imperfect Leader, we sit down with veteran educators and co-authors Peter DeWitt and Michael Nelson to discuss their transformative framework for collective leadership. In our conversation as well as in their work with the , they challenge the traditional top-down approach, moving beyond mere good intentions to create lasting impact through collective efficacy. Drawing on their latest...
info_outlineIntro: Hartford, Connecticut was the location of my very first hockey game. The Hartford Whalers vs the NY Rangers. And what a scene it was. During the second period, there was an obvious offense because both benches cleared and both teams were absolutely brawling! I find myself in Hartford at least once a year and so every year, I revisit, in my mind, that very violent episode in my life. But now, after talking with my guest, Dr. Torres-Rodriguez, I have a delightful replacement memory and for that, I am grateful.
My mentor, Dr. Linda Henke, the creator of the human-centered school transformation model I speak so much about wrote:
The shift away from the heroic leader who goes it alone, to the transformational leader who attends to the field is perhaps the most fundamental change in the work of school leadership.
She continues by asking readers to rethink the metaphor of a leader as hero and consider, instead, a different metaphor --- someone like a midwife or a gardener or a minister. Someone who tends to the needs of others.
My guest this week cares so deeply for her district because her district is so personal to her - she graduated from the district and then returned to lead it.
She leverages the voices of her entire system, inside and outside the organization, including the voices of her children. She considers the technical skills, the emotional intelligence, and a lens focused on equity in order to make sound decisions.
And she uses all of this knowledge and skill in recounting her after action review – the recommendation to her board to consolidate or close schools in her school district. Thanks for tuning in!
BIO: Dr. Torres-Rodriguez was named the 2022 National Superintendent of the Year by the Association of Latino Administrators and Superintendents (ALAS), received the 2019 Award for Educational Leadership from the Connecticut Association of Latino Administrators and Superintendents (CALAS) as well as the 2019 Prospanica National Brillante Award for Educational Excellence.
Dr. Torres-Rodriguez is a member of the Governor’s Workforce Council and serves on the Hartford Promise Board. She also co-chairs the Mayor’s Cabinet for Young Children in Hartford.

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Music for An Imperfect Leader was written and arranged by Ian Varley.
Sam Falbo created our artwork, a wood-print inspired daruma doll butterfly.