Leading with Compassion and Purpose: A Conversation with Dr. Leslie Torres-Rodriguez
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
Release Date: 08/20/2024
An Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
Are we preparing students for a four-year degree that only 20% will actually complete, or are we preparing them for life? In this special encore episode of An Imperfect Leader, we are revisiting a powerful conversation with , Superintendent of Winchester Public Schools in Virginia. This is an episode every school leader needs to hear, especially if you’ve ever felt that the current "testing regime" is sucking the joy out of your classrooms. Why should you care? Because Jason is doing something truly bold. He didn't just build a new CTE wing; he created the Emil and Grace Shahadah...
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Are we preparing students for a four-year degree that only 20% will actually complete, or are we preparing them for life? In this special encore episode of An Imperfect Leader, we are revisiting a powerful conversation with , Superintendent of Winchester Public Schools in Virginia. This is an episode every school leader needs to hear, especially if you’ve ever felt that the current "testing regime" is sucking the joy out of your classrooms. Why should you care? Because Jason is doing something truly bold. He didn't just build a new CTE wing; he created the Emil and Grace Shahadah...
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We are heading back into the archives for a very special encore episode of An Imperfect Leader! When I first spoke with , the Executive Director of the , our audience was much smaller. His insights on how we lead schools and support principals are more relevant today than ever. Max (now in an emeritus/advisor role at CEL) is one of those leaders who combines deep expertise with incredible humility. In this episode, we dive into: The Power of Simple Tools: Max shares a mantra that has stuck with me: "Simple tools lead to complex thinking, and complex tools lead to...
info_outlineAn Imperfect Leader: The Superintendents and Leadership Podcast
We are heading back into the archives for a very special encore episode of An Imperfect Leader! When I first spoke with , the Executive Director of the , our audience was much smaller. His insights on how we lead schools and support principals are more relevant today than ever. Max (now in an emeritus/advisor role at CEL) is one of those leaders who combines deep expertise with incredible humility. In this episode, we dive into: The Power of Simple Tools: Max shares a mantra that has stuck with me: "Simple tools lead to complex thinking, and complex tools lead to simple thinking." ...
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We are bringing back one of our most impactful conversations for an encore episode of An Imperfect Leader! Have you ever wondered why, in a profession where over 70% of teachers are women, only 28% of superintendents are? Or why so many leaders feel they have to be "perfect" just to survive? joined us to dive into her groundbreaking work with . She didn’t just look at the numbers; she hand-collected data on nearly 13,000 leaders because a national database simply didn’t exist. One of her most startling finds? One in five superintendents is named John, Matthew, or Michael. In this...
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Some conversations stay with you long after the recording ends. My conversation with is one of those. In this encore episode, Dr. Hamlett, former superintendent of Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools and now Chief Equity & Development Officer for Montgomery County Public Schools, offers a deeply honest reflection on leadership under pressure. Here are three themes leaders should listen for: 1. “Don’t Flinch” Leadership: Listen for how Nyah defines leadership as choosing courage over convenience, especially when decisions are uncomfortable or...
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📢 What an incredible conversation with Dr. Stephen Pruitt, President of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges (SACSCOC). 🎧 In this encore episode, we dove deep into education, leadership, and driving real change. Here are the key takeaways: 🤝 Stakeholder vs. Shareholder: Dr. Pruitt made a powerful distinction: education needs fewer "stakeholders" and more "shareholders". What does that mean? Shareholders are people invested in a common vision who feel true ownership of the process. ✍️ Redefining Standards: Standards, he explained, are a...
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I am thrilled to share an encore release of a very special crossover episode between our podcast, An Imperfect Leader, and (also a proud member of the Podcasserole Network!). Together, we sit down with , a professor at MIT, to explore the the history of Junior Republics and the cutting-edge work of Embodied Education. Here are two key takeaways from our conversation: 🏙️ The Legacy of Junior Republics: Imagine a miniature city or nation run entirely by kids. Starting in 1895, Junior Republics gave children the power to act as senators, run businesses, and even...
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Some conversations stay with you long after the recording ends. My conversation with is one of those. In this encore episode, Dr. Hamlett, former superintendent of Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools and now Chief Equity & Development Officer for Montgomery County Public Schools, offers a deeply honest reflection on leadership under pressure. Here are three themes leaders should listen for: 1. “Don’t Flinch” Leadership: Listen for how Nyah defines leadership as choosing courage over convenience, especially when decisions are uncomfortable or...
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What happens when you trade a massive suburban district for a rural community with only 1,200 students? According to my latest guest, it might just be the best career move you’ll ever make. I recently sat down with , former acting Assistant Secretary of the US Department of Education and author of . James shared how cutting his teeth in a small rural district forced him to do "every job"—from HR and finance to literally walking through the mud to assess construction sites. We went deep on how that "boots on the ground" experience prepared him for state and national leadership, and why he...
info_outlineIntro: Hartford, Connecticut was the location of my very first hockey game. The Hartford Whalers vs the NY Rangers. And what a scene it was. During the second period, there was an obvious offense because both benches cleared and both teams were absolutely brawling! I find myself in Hartford at least once a year and so every year, I revisit, in my mind, that very violent episode in my life. But now, after talking with my guest, Dr. Torres-Rodriguez, I have a delightful replacement memory and for that, I am grateful.
My mentor, Dr. Linda Henke, the creator of the human-centered school transformation model I speak so much about wrote:
The shift away from the heroic leader who goes it alone, to the transformational leader who attends to the field is perhaps the most fundamental change in the work of school leadership.
She continues by asking readers to rethink the metaphor of a leader as hero and consider, instead, a different metaphor --- someone like a midwife or a gardener or a minister. Someone who tends to the needs of others.
My guest this week cares so deeply for her district because her district is so personal to her - she graduated from the district and then returned to lead it.
She leverages the voices of her entire system, inside and outside the organization, including the voices of her children. She considers the technical skills, the emotional intelligence, and a lens focused on equity in order to make sound decisions.
And she uses all of this knowledge and skill in recounting her after action review – the recommendation to her board to consolidate or close schools in her school district. Thanks for tuning in!
BIO: Dr. Torres-Rodriguez was named the 2022 National Superintendent of the Year by the Association of Latino Administrators and Superintendents (ALAS), received the 2019 Award for Educational Leadership from the Connecticut Association of Latino Administrators and Superintendents (CALAS) as well as the 2019 Prospanica National Brillante Award for Educational Excellence.
Dr. Torres-Rodriguez is a member of the Governor’s Workforce Council and serves on the Hartford Promise Board. She also co-chairs the Mayor’s Cabinet for Young Children in Hartford.

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