Episode 117 - Grow or Stay Small? Finding Your Firm's Sweet Spot with Dave Olsen and Shane Rowley - The Woodard Report Podcast
The Woodard Report Podcast: Featuring Heather Satterley and Joe Woodard
Release Date: 04/09/2025
The Woodard Report Podcast: Featuring Heather Satterley and Joe Woodard
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Resources mentioned during the show:
- What You Do Is Who You Are: How to Create Your Business Culture by Ben Horowitz
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