Episode 108 - Justin Ellis, The Cruelty of Nice Folks: Why Minneapolis Is the Story of America
Givens Foundation | Black Market Reads
Release Date: 06/25/2026
Givens Foundation | Black Market Reads
In this powerful hometown conversation, journalist Justin Ellis returns to Minneapolis to discuss his debut book, The Cruelty of Nice Folks: Why Minneapolis Is the Story of America. Joined by host Lissa Jones, Ellis unpacks the contradiction at the heart of Minnesota's reputation: how a place celebrated for progressivism, politeness, and quality of life can also produce some of the nation's deepest racial disparities. Drawing from history, personal family stories, and the aftermath of George Floyd's murder, Ellis examines the hidden costs of "Minnesota Nice," the legacy of housing...
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info_outlineIn this powerful hometown conversation, journalist Justin Ellis returns to Minneapolis to discuss his debut book, The Cruelty of Nice Folks: Why Minneapolis Is the Story of America. Joined by host Lissa Jones, Ellis unpacks the contradiction at the heart of Minnesota's reputation: how a place celebrated for progressivism, politeness, and quality of life can also produce some of the nation's deepest racial disparities.
Drawing from history, personal family stories, and the aftermath of George Floyd's murder, Ellis examines the hidden costs of "Minnesota Nice," the legacy of housing segregation, the concentration of power and wealth, and the ways white politeness can prevent meaningful reckoning with injustice. Through a deeply personal exploration of Black life in Minneapolis, Ellis challenges listeners to move beyond comfort, confront difficult truths, and imagine a more honest future.
This conversation is a meditation on memory, power, belonging, and the enduring resilience of Black families who built lives and communities despite systems designed to exclude them.
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