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The neuroscience of spiritual awakening, how Kundalini yoga shaped her life, and why she believes listening inward is especially important in a time of cultural confusion. She also explains how her work in geriatric psychiatry connects spirituality, brain health, stress regulation, and prevention strategies for aging populations.
Helen Lavretsky, MD, MS, is a Professor In-Residence in the Department of Psychiatry at UCLA (Semel Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior), a leading geriatric integrative psychiatrist, and a pioneer in mind-body approaches to late-life mental health.
 
In this episode:
  • Dr. Helen Lavretsky shares her unusual path from the former Soviet Union into psychiatry, neuroscience, and later Kundalini yoga teacher training.
  • She explains how growing up in an atheist Soviet environment still left room for underground spirituality passed through families and oral tradition.
  • She describes a six-month temporary enlightenment experience after Kundalini practice and why it was physically intense, hard to describe, and initially unsustainable.
  • The conversation focuses on her book Living from the Soul and the idea that people are increasingly being pushed to trust their own wisdom instead of outside authorities.
  • She discusses how spirituality shows up in geriatric psychiatry, especially for older adults, dementia caregivers, and long COVID patients dealing with mortality and stress.
  • She argues that meditation, breathing practices, yoga, tai chi, and qigong can improve self-regulation, brain health, and decision-making under pressure.
  • She outlines how brain health should be cultivated across the lifespan, starting in childhood and even in utero, rather than only addressed later in life.
  • She notes that lifestyle factors such as sleep, movement, diet, and stress management matter for dementia prevention and broader cognitive resilience.
  • She emphasizes that meaning, purpose, and connection to soul are central to mental well-being.
Key frameworks:
  • Soul-based self-inquiry- asking inwardly what is right for you rather than defaulting to external authority
  • Brain health across the lifespan- prevention beginning in childhood and even before birth
  • Stress self-regulation toolkit- breathing, meditation, yoga, tai chi, and qigong as practical nervous-system supports
  • Constitutional approach to diet- different people may need different foods based on ancestry, metabolism, and predisposition
 
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Technical start and introducing Dr. Helen Lavretsky and her new book
(01:15) Helen’s background in geriatric psychiatry and the science-spirituality bridge
(02:45) Growing up in the Soviet Union and an early attraction to psychiatry
(03:59) First Kundalini yoga experience and the start of her spiritual-scientific merger
(05:25) Death, dying, and why mortality became a lifelong theme in her work
(06:10) Lanai, early Kundalini practice, and rapid changes in health and temperament
(07:35) Temporary enlightenment and the difficulty of describing spiritual states
(09:59) Why she wrote the book and how the world is changing around spirituality
(12:27) Crumbling old structures and learning to depend on inner wisdom
(14:14) What happens when spirituality is suppressed in the Soviet system
(16:55) The shift from religion to spirituality, atheism, and changing belief patterns
(19:07) Why the soul matters and how her meditation work helps people connect
(21:24) How to tell soul guidance apart from self-talk and mental noise
(22:29) Family reactions, including her mother’s skepticism
(23:27) Atheism as a spiritual belief system and its place on the spectrum
(25:00) Materialism, duality, and the limits of studying non-material experience
(27:35) Meaning and purpose as measures of spirituality
(28:09) Yoga, tai chi, and stress regulation in aging and chronic illness
(30:04) Staying calm during the Los Angeles fires while teaching breathing practices
(31:06) Yoga, cognition, gray matter, and reducing inflammation
(32:03) Young people, social media, the pandemic, and declining resilience
(35:11) Prevention strategies for Alzheimer’s and dementia starting in midlife
(36:36) Brain health across the lifespan, including early childhood and in utero
(38:30) Simple breathing tools kids can learn for resilience and self-regulation
(39:39) Dementia, Alzheimer’s, cholesterol, and lifestyle factors
(41:19) Why there is no magical one-food cure and why sardine-fasting is not a silver bullet
(43:15) The Mediterranean diet, processed foods, seed oils, and nuts
(47:18) Supplements she uses for brain health, including B vitamins, vitamin D, fish oil, ginkgo, and adaptogens
(49:51) Ancestry, blood type, constitution, and why one diet does not fit everyone
(52:24) Local food, microbiome health, and eating in tune with your environment
(53:18) What the book covers beyond spirituality: trauma, psychedelics, technology, and authenticity
(55:22) Why she wants people to ask their own intuition instead of outsourcing authority
(56:30) Where to find her book and follow her work
 
 
 
Dr. Helen Lavretsky is a Professor In-Residence in the Department of Psychiatry at UCLA and a geriatric integrative psychiatrist with federally funded research program in geriatric depression and integrative mental health using mind-body interventions. She directs a clinical and research program in Integrative Psychiatry. She is a recipient of the Career Development award from the NIMH and the NCCIH, and the recipient of the 2020 Distinguished Investigator awards for research in geriatric psychiatry from the American College of Psychiatrists and the American Association for Geriatric Psychiatry, and the Jack Weinberg Memorial Award in Geriatric Psychiatry from the American Psychiatric Association. She is the Distinguished Life Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association, the Distinguished Fellow of the American Association for Geriatric Psychiatry, and the Fellow of the American College of Neuropsychopharmacology. She is the President of the American Association for Geriatric Psychiatry.