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It's Not a People Problem, It's a System Problem ft. Melissa Appel

Uncommon Leadership

Release Date: 10/01/2025

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Do you ever feel like your team is stuck? Like you’re hitting a wall and just can’t seem to move forward?
 
In this episode of the Uncommon Leadership Podcast, I, Michael Hunter from Uncommon Teams, am talking to Melissa Appel, an executive product management coach, advisor, and author.
 
We get into an uncomfortable but essential truth about leadership: a leader's behavior might be the very thing holding their team back.
 
Melissa shares a story about a leader whose fear-based culture brought an entire company to a halt, and we dive into the psychology of why punishing mistakes is the fastest way to kill innovation.
 
But it’s not just about the problem.
We give you a powerful two-part solution for navigating change and overwhelm, from a simple framework for regaining control to a game-changing mindset for solving any problem.
 
If you're ready to stop blaming people and start fixing systems, join us as we uncover the uncommon leadership insights you need to get your team unstuck for good.
 
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Why This Podcast Is a Must-Watch:
  • Solve Your Biggest Leadership Challenge: Learn the real reason behind a stagnant team and how a simple culture fix can help.
  • Find Clarity in Chaos: Get a simple two-step framework to handle overwhelm and uncertainty by focusing on what's in your control.
  • Fix Broken Communication: Discover the key to getting through to everyone on your team by adapting your communication style to theirs.
  • Make Better Decisions: End pointless debates by learning the secret to making objective decisions: aligning on an obvious goal first.
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About the Speakers
 
Executive Product Management Coach & Advisor @Product Culture | Co-Author @Aligned: Stakeholder Management for Product Leaders | Helping CPOs and teams move from Reactive to Proactive roadmaps 
 
Melissa Appel is an expert at untangling complex, "gnarly" problems across various industries. As a product coach, author, and speaker, she helps CPOs and executive teams deliver real value by getting the right people in the room and asking the right questions. Melissa focuses on the underlying people and process issues that are often the root cause of product problems. Her coaching and advisory work greatly help product leaders improve their organizations and build high-quality, effective teams.
 
 
Founder @Uncommon Change | Interlocutor / Curious Host @UncommonLeadership Interview Series | Author | Change & Innovation Partner
 
I'm Michael Hunter, the founder of Uncommon Teams. All my work is driven by a single mission: to help leaders, CXOs, and founders build uncommon teams.
 
These are the teams where every person feels valued, psychologically safe, and confident to bring their authentic selves to work.
Drawing from my experience with leaders across six continents, I've developed a battle-tested framework that is always precisely customized for you, helping you greet change like an old friend.
My deepest satisfaction comes from helping leaders not just envision their legacy, but truly inhabit it. By integrating your whole self into everything you do, you can discover ease, freedom, and a resilient leadership journey that creates a safe organizational culture for everyone.
 
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