Season 10. Episode 3: Protocols for Post-Capitalist Expression: Rethinking Capital with Akseli, Dick & Jorge
Release Date: 10/29/2025
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Kevin talks with Akseli Virtanen, co-founder of the Economic Space Agency (ECSA), along with co-authors Dick Bryan and Jorge Lopez, about their groundbreaking book Protocols for Post-Capitalist Expression.
They explore how capital is itself a protocol, how post-capitalism can emerge through new economic grammars, and why distributed finance and programmable accounting could redefine value beyond markets and the state.
If you’ve ever wondered how economics, coordination, and code might come together to create new forms of collective value, this episode is for you.
🌐 Links
https://greenpill.network/
https://economicspace.agency
📘 Protocols for Post-Capitalist Expression (Book)
https://postcapitalist.agency/#
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🌐 Timestamps
00:00 – Intro: Welcome to the new Greenpill season — exploring tech, coordination & Protopia
00:40 – Introducing guest Akseli Virtanen and co-authors Dick Bryan & Jorge Lopez
02:00 – What is Protocols for Post-Capitalist Expression about?
03:20 – Computational networks as new economic media
04:00 – The problem: today’s systems run on outdated economic logic
05:10 – Why we need new economic languages to express ecological and social value
06:20 – Viewing the economy as a networking protocol
07:00 – Capital as a coordination protocol, not a natural law
08:40 – How protocol politics define power and participation
09:40 – Why political change must happen at the level of infrastructure
11:20 – Understanding capital as an accounting protocol
12:10 – The interdisciplinary process of co-authoring the book
13:30 – Why protocols are the new unit of economic intervention
14:50 – How distributed protocols can re-engineer value systems
16:00 – Multiple logics of measurement: beyond price and profit
17:40 – How new metrics of “use value” redefine what counts as surplus
19:20 – Defining post-capitalism: new grammars for value creation
20:00 – Living “in the spread” between capitalism and post-capitalism
21:30 – The shift from exchange value to use value
23:00 – Distributed economic agency: moving power to the network edge
25:30 – Defining the Economic Space Agency — what it means to co-author economies
27:30 – Surplus logic: from profit to utility
29:00 – Designing programmable economic spaces for collective value
30:50 – How post-capitalism can interoperate with existing markets
33:10 – Why public goods need new accounting categories
35:00 – Coordination beyond the state: self-sustaining networks of value
37:00 – The liquidity problem: bootstrapping new economic systems
38:30 – Designing a bridge between capital and post-capital
40:20 – Respecting both systems’ internal logics for sustainable coexistence
42:30 – Innovation: the bridge as a design breakthrough
44:00 – Formalizing economics in programmable code
45:40 – How distributed systems expand what’s economically possible
47:30 – How to get involved: joining ECSA's newsletter & Economic Media Lab
48:30 – Final reflections: multiple metrics of value and economic imagination
49:10 – Closing remarks: keep building, experimenting, and coordinating